SAAF Randoms...

Msauza:


Let start with Angola first.

It appears to be lies which cannot be supported.

Guy I won't argue with you...if u bliv me or not or d source..it doesn't change anything...did any body knw nigeria fought in lebanon iraq and so...Nigeria military is like a secret service most of der missions r secretive...goodbye

agaugust:
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@Asuokaa has another two sources contained in his own source which are NOT blogs.

Same way you Southies have been posting some sources claiming that Soviets fought in Angola. The guy has opened up a new issue and controversy on this topic and you cannot just dismiss his case, he has sources :




The fact that as many as 5,000 Nigerian troops fought in Angola around 1976-77 may be the most widely-unknown fact in the annals of Nigeria’s very long history of foreign military operations.

In the aftermath of January 1976 OAU summit where General Murtala Muhammed in his timeless “AFRICA HAS COME OF AGE” outing decisively swung the support of the OAU and Africa in favour of the MPLA regime, to the chagrin of their UNITA and FNLA competitors, the FMG backed up the new MPLA government with N13.5m(US$20m) and sent a squadron of MiG-17 jet fighters in support.

It has now emerged that as many as 5,000 Nigerian troops were deployed to Angola and that they saw action in various theatres across the then war-blighted country.

Writing in an article entitled “MOSCOW’S NEXT TARGET IN AFRICA;Paying the Price for Angola“, Robert Moss clearly indicates that ….

QUOTE:

“The Nigerians are said to be heavily involved in Angola. Western intelligence sources report that Nigerian troops were present at battalion strength when the MPLA and the Cubans pushed south last year. According to UNITA sources in Paris, the Nigerian strength has since been reinforced.

UNITA sources have tapes of radio intercepts showing that at least 5,000 Nigerian troops have been deployed in Angola. They are operating as far south as Mocamedes, and are also based in Lobito, Luanda and the eastern diamond mining town of Henrique de Carvalho.

UNITA claims to have intercepted radio communications in English (the common language between the Nigerians, the Cubans and the MPLA), in the Ibo, Hausa and Yoruba dialects, and in a form of pidgin Creole…..An intriguing sidelight is that UNITA also claims that a British shipping line played a key role in ferrying Nigerian troops and military supplies to Angola.

Nigeria, rich in oil and boasting an army of some 210,000 men, can clearly afford to be more than rhetorical in its backing for the guerrilla movements of southern Africa.” END OF QUOTE

Corroborating this report, the world-renowned photo-agency GETTY IMAGES in an archival photo dated 1 January 1977 actually bears a caption which read as follows;

QUOTE:

“Caption: 1977: An Angolan soldier crawls beneath barbed wire trenches during training. Dr Jonas Savimbi and his UNITA movement is doing well in its fight against the ruling MPLA (Movement For The Liberation Of Angola), and its Cuban allies. UNITA claims to control at least half of Angola. In addition to the Cuban forces, Western intelligence sources report that at least 5000 Nigerian troops are also deployed in Angola, on the side of the MPLA. (Photo by Keystone/Getty Images). Date created: 01 Jan 1977 “. END OF QUOTE


http://www.rhodesia.nl/moss4.htm

http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/3336214/Hulton-Archive
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Bros wait shey na we dey bear rhodesia...is that not a southern african name...kai...lol...if I open the wars we have fought bro...ull be amazed am from a military background...my dad was an officer before his death in febuary...brigadier general...there are some courses dey say dey go for..it is not course at all they went to fight...don't ever underestimate the Nigerian Military....SA r angry because in wars of the world there name no be reference point Lol...almost all the 21st century war has Nigeria in it...

Google is there to knw if am lying or not....

MikeCZAR:
Secret? With 5000 troops?

South Africa sent around 3800 troops in 87 within weeks FAPLA was reporting that they're now fighting saffers not UNITA.

Angola was not Liberia, Nigerians would've relied on their feet when casspirs, T-55s, Ratels etc charged.

Lol...see en...nigeria army don't fight picture wars we fight real war...we have less image to back us up no doubt but our name is written evriwhere...SA swallow ur pride and move on...

MikeCZAR:
Nigerians didn't fight in Angola.

So "UNITA" was doing well in fight with your imaginary 5000 troops on the ground?

Nigerians wouldn't have dared to challenge SA at that time.

I can't but laugh at this...pathetic...only SA r laying claims to rubbish...
wait who r we to challenge sef is it ur white slave lords or the black slaves demselves...just asking

MikeCZAR:
Nigerians didn't fight in Angola.

So "UNITA" was doing well in fight with your imaginary 5000 troops on the ground?

Nigerians wouldn't have dared to challenge SA at that time.

Weaker forces like Namibian , Mozambican, and ANC freedom fighters were challenging South Africa then and SADF was importing mercenaries from all over the world to survive.

Those years were the days Nigerian navy had the most powerful warship in Africa and NAF had 100 jet fighter aircraft plus an army with 500 anti-aircraft missiles.

South Africa would have been roasted alive
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NaijaPikinGidi:


So why must NIGERIANS for any reason doubt the great exploits and world-record-setting super capabilities of our battle-grilled, tried and tested gallant NA and NAF?

Abeg learn to shoot straight!

What

You just went full re.tard!!!

Asuokaa:



Lol...see en...nigeria army don't fight picture wars we fight real war...we have less image to back us up no doubt but our name is written evriwhere...SA swallow ur pride and move on...

Nigerian army never foot in Angola.

agaugust:


Weaker forces like Namibian , Mozambican, and ANC freedom fighters were challenging South Africa then and SADF was importing mercenaries from all over the world to survive.

Those years were the days Nigerian navy had the most powerful warship in Africa and NAF had 100 jet fighter aircraft plus an army with 500 anti-aircraft missiles.

South Africa would have been roasted alive
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Liberation armies only fought the. SADF alongside FAPLA in Angola.

SA didn't really consider them a military threat they were dealt by the police.

And No Nigeria had nothing back then(1977) which could challenge SA.

MikeCZAR:
Nigerian army never foot in Angola.

they did ,mostly covert ops sir

MikeCZAR:
Liberation armies only fought the. SADF alongside FAPLA in Angola.

SA didn't really consider them a military threat they were dealt by the police.

And No Nigeria had nothing back then(1977) which could challenge SA.

The Angolan war was not limited to 1977 alone, it lasted till early 1990s. As at 1977 Nigeria had 30 MiG-21 jets with 150 Atoll air to air missiles and long range air to ground rockets, 20 Il-28 jet bombers, over 200 artillery guns , Frigate NNS Obuma, and the most battle hardened army in Africa with 250,000 troops fresh from Biafra war battlefield.

South Africa would have trembled if Nigeria replayed our 3rd Marine Commandos amphibious force landing 10,000 battle hardened elite troops on South African coast with air cover from Cuban MiG-23 jets and Nigerian Ilyushin - 28 Beagle jet bombers, Pretoria will pïss in it's pänts that day o !
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agaugust:


Nope, you feel free to contact the German embassy and ask for copy of the press release to prove your claims.....you are the ones saying there is a German embassy report, so show us.

Until then, both navies are suspect
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Thats not how the burden of proof works.

You are alleging that DefenceWeb is lying

Your burden is to prove it.

The burden rests with he who makes the allegations

agaugust:


No air force has dared to challenge NAF, we fought border wars with Chad and Cameroon, yet they refused to fly their jets against us, so do we have to beg their air forces to take off from their airbases? NAF MiG-21 jets have invaded the airspaces of both neighbors and the enemy refused to challenge us air to air.

SAAF used 1970s Mirage F1 to sh.oot down 1950s MiG-21 jet of Cuba, but once the Cuban 1970s MiG-23 jet showed face in the war, South African pilots ran away finally after Cuba sh.ot down several SAAF Mirage F1 jets.

Means SAAF will abandon the air and park it's air superiority jets on the ground once an equal enemy appears in the air

Born cowards, die cowards....South African air force
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Again, thats lots of opinion and not many facts.

SAAF flew sorties right until the end of the war

Your argument is invalid

agaugust:


This is the kiler of all killers !

Britain has always had a great navy as as former world power.

The Royal navy was the force that defeated Argentina in Falklands war 1982.

I also think the world of weapons manufacturing and technology is missing Japan due to their long absence from the arms race. Japan is a country that can build great weapons and equipment, but the terms of surrender in world war II and treaty signed with USA has ended Japan's ambition forever I think
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Japan has one of the most powerfull navies in the world

and one of the most advanced MBT's in the world

and a half developed fighter that is comparable to the F22

You would know this if you were actually a military researcher

saengine:
SA Army Infantry beach assault drill today. With assistance from SA Navy vessels.

Pics by Doug

rubbish. they look disorganised and unprofessional.

go look up Nigerian marine commandos beach assault drill conducted last year. that was a beauty.

agaugust:


Weaker forces like Namibian , Mozambican, and ANC freedom fighters were challenging South Africa then and SADF was importing mercenaries from all over the world to survive.

Those years were the days Nigerian navy had the most powerful warship in Africa and NAF had 100 jet fighter aircraft plus an army with 500 anti-aircraft missiles.

South Africa would have been roasted alive
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Such delusions

agaugust:


The Angolan war was not limited to 1977 alone, it lasted till early 1990s. As at 1977 Nigeria had 30 MiG-21 jets with 150 Atoll air to air missiles and long range air to ground rockets, 20 Il-28 jet bombers, over 200 artillery guns , Frigate NNS Obuma, and the most battle hardened army in Africa with 250,000 troops fresh from Biafra war battlefield.

South Africa would have trembled if Nigeria replayed our 3rd Marine Commandos amphibious force landing 10,000 battle hardened elite troops on South African coast with air cover from Cuban MiG-23 jets and Nigerian Ilyushin - 28 Beagle jet bombers, Pretoria will pïss in it's pänts that day o !
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How would you land troops with our coast with air-cover? you have an aircraft carrier?

Also, as we have shown we are pretty good at shooting down MIg-21's.

If Cuba needed 60 000 men to stand a chance against us with 20 000 men, what makes you think your 20 000 men could stand a chance against 500 000?

MikeCZAR:
Nigerian army never foot in Angola.

calm down papa ajasco. that info seemes to have rattled your empty skull.

cos this your grammar na confusion o.

Patchesagain:


Thats not how the burden of proof works.

You are alleging that DefenceWeb is lying

Your burden is to prove it.

The burden rests with he who makes the allegations

The burden of proof is on the person claiming that German embassy issued a statement to show us the official press release.

Anybody can claim anything without proof.

Defenceweb should show us copy of the German embassy publication, or it was announced inside the embassy toilet ?
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Patchesagain:


Japan has one of the most powerfull navies in the world

and one of the most advanced MBT's in the world

and a half developed fighter that is comparable to the F22

You would know this if you were actually a military researcher

I think you have problems with English comprehension.

I said the world is missing Japan in weapons manufacturing industry, that means arms exports around the world.

Then you say Japan is powerful, what has that got to do with world market getting Japanese arms sales?

You can show us how many countries purchase Japanese weapons and how many weapons those are.

Fool
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Patchesagain:


How would you land troops with our coast with air-cover? you have an aircraft carrier?

I am asking again if you understand English language, I said Nigeria landing 3rd marine commandos on South African coast WITH AIR COVER FROM CUBAN MIG-23 JETS.....then you ask me again about air cover, are you blind and need braille to read ?

Bobo Odenson


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Patchesagain:


Also, as we have shown we are pretty good at shooting down MIg-21's.

If Cuba needed 60 000 men to stand a chance against us with 20 000 men, what makes you think your 20 000 men could stand a chance against 500 000?

I said MiG-23 jet, are you so dumb?

The MiG-21 you shot down are old versions flown by Cuba.

Nigeria had in 1977, the latest MiG-21 'J' version with latest RP-22 radar and the latest K-13M missiles, then Nigerian pilots are far better than Cubans.

South Africa does not have 500,000 troops as you keep claiming on this thread.

Even giant Nigeria in Biafra war could not raise more than 250,000 troops. You keep telling lies about an imaginary SADF of half a million troops, you think your country is like China ?

10,000 Nigerian commandos landed on South African coast will lead to uprising by the millions of blacks in South Africa, we will give them ship loads of AK-47 and RPG, then you will see worse than Boko Haram inside South Africa, the apartheid government will be roasted at home, confusion, chaos, tears and blood on homesoil will bring down a government that 90% of the population hated so much.

You don't know how difficult it is to fight war on homesoil because South Africa has never experienced that advanced level of combat before

PHOTO : NNS OBUMA, 1970s NIGERIAN NAVY FRIGATE WITH SPECIAL ANTI-SUBMARINE CAPABILITIES
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agaugust:


The burden of proof is on the person claiming that German embassy issued a statement to show us the official press release.

Anybody can claim anything without proof.

Defenceweb should show us copy of the German embassy publication, or it was announced inside the embassy toilet ?
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Defenceweb reported it and cited their source.

If you say they are telling lies then you need to prove so.

Innocent until proven guilty

agaugust:


I think you have problems with English comprehension.

I said the world is missing Japan in weapons manufacturing industry, that means arms exports around the world.

Then you say Japan is powerful, what has that got to do with world market getting Japanese arms sales?

You can show us how many countries purchase Japanese weapons and how many weapons those are.

Fool
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Japan does not sell its weapons due to Japanese law

Again, a military researcher should know this.

You dont, because you arent one.

agaugust:


I am asking again if you understand English language, I said Nigeria landing 3rd marine commandos on South African coast WITH AIR COVER FROM CUBAN MIG-23 JETS.....then you ask me again about air cover, are you blind and need braille to read ?

Bobo Odenson


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How will Cubans provide air-cover?

agaugust:


I said MiG-23 jet, are you so dumb?

The MiG-21 you shot down are old versions flown by Cuba.

Nigeria had in 1977, the latest MiG-21 'J' version with latest RP-22 radar and the latest K-13M missiles, then Nigerian pilots are far better than Cubans.

South Africa does not have 500,000 troops as you keep claiming on this thread.

Even giant Nigeria in Biafra war could not raise more than 250,000 troops. You keep telling lies about an imaginary SADF of half a million troops, you think your country is like China ?

10,000 Nigerian commandos landed on South African coast will lead to uprising by the millions of blacks in South Africa, we will give them ship loads of AK-47 and RPG, then you will see worse than Boko Haram inside South Africa, the apartheid government will be roasted at home, confusion, chaos, tears and blood on homesoil will bring down a government that 90% of the population hated so much.

You don't know how difficult it is to fight war on homesoil because South Africa has never experienced that advanced level of combat before

PHOTO : NNS OBUMA, 1970s NIGERIAN NAVY FRIGATE WITH SPECIAL ANTI-SUBMARINE CAPABILITIES
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Augustus, I have posted the 500 000 citation many times. Its fact.

Who said your Mig 21's were better? Who said your pilots were better? You?

We have fought in more advanced wars than you can even comprehend.

The ANC and numerous other liberation movements sturggled for decades to do what you are talking about and failed.

How will your men land? How will they be re-supplied? You dont have enough vessels to do so.

Your delusions are entertaining, tell me more

MikeCZAR:
Nigerian army never foot in Angola.

Why don't u carry a placard and start shouting Nigeria nvr foot in Angola den ill start believing u...as at nw ur just making a fool of urselv

agaugust:


I said MiG-23 jet, are you so dumb?

The MiG-21 you shot down are old versions flown by Cuba.

Nigeria had in 1977, the latest MiG-21 'J' version with latest RP-22 radar and the latest K-13M missiles, then Nigerian pilots are far better than Cubans.

South Africa does not have 500,000 troops as you keep claiming on this thread.

Even giant Nigeria in Biafra war could not raise more than 250,000 troops. You keep telling lies about an imaginary SADF of half a million troops, you think your country is like China ?

10,000 Nigerian commandos landed on South African coast will lead to uprising by the millions of blacks in South Africa, we will give them ship loads of AK-47 and RPG, then you will see worse than Boko Haram inside South Africa, the apartheid government will be roasted at home, confusion, chaos, tears and blood on homesoil will bring down a government that 90% of the population hated so much.

You don't know how difficult it is to fight war on homesoil because South Africa has never experienced that advanced level of combat before

PHOTO : NNS OBUMA, 1970s NIGERIAN NAVY FRIGATE WITH SPECIAL ANTI-SUBMARINE CAPABILITIES
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How do you know that Nigerian pilots were better than Cuban pilots then if they were never engaged in any air combat? Nigeria used mercenary pilots throughout the Biafra war. Agaugust is dreaming as usual.

agaugust:


Weaker forces like Namibian , Mozambican, and ANC freedom fighters were challenging South Africa then and SADF was importing mercenaries from all over the world to survive.

Those years were the days Nigerian navy had the most powerful warship in Africa and NAF had 100 jet fighter aircraft plus an army with 500 anti-aircraft missiles.

South Africa would have been roasted alive
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SA never used mercenaries in any war. You just only wish because your military has been recruiters of soldiers of fortune ever since its existence.

Asuokaa:



Bros wait shey na we dey bear rhodesia...is that not a southern african name...kai...lol...if I open the wars we have fought bro...ull be amazed am from a military background...my dad was an officer before his death in febuary...brigadier general...there are some courses dey say dey go for..it is not course at all they went to fight...don't ever underestimate the Nigerian Military....SA r angry because in wars of the world there name no be reference point Lol...almost all the 21st century war has Nigeria in it...

Google is there to knw if am lying or not....

The writer (who appears to be a white man) mistaken the foreign soldiers in Angola after the withdrawal of SADF as Nigerian troops, merely because they spoke something that sound like pidgin. There is no any Nigerian source that support that statement.

Asuokaa:



Bros wait shey na we dey bear rhodesia...is that not a southern african name...kai...lol...if I open the wars we have fought bro...ull be amazed am from a military background...my dad was an officer before his death in febuary...brigadier general...there are some courses dey say dey go for..it is not course at all they went to fight...don't ever underestimate the Nigerian Military....SA r angry because in wars of the world there name no be reference point Lol...almost all the 21st century war has Nigeria in it...

Google is there to knw if am lying or not....

Ww1, Ww2, Korea and Angola called

They want to remind you that Nigeria did not make any meaningfull contribution to any of them

Your tiny deployments against rebels dont impress anyone

Who's Brigade was it that smashed an entire German Divion in the trenches of WW1?

Who was it that conqoured Namibia, Tanzania and east africa in WW1?

Who was it that held back the mighty German Afrika Corps?

Who was it the smashed through the Gotha line in Italy?

Who is it that has over 50 WW2 aces?

Who was it that was the most effective and respected ground attack sqaudron in Korea? Given American Presidential Unit citations!!

Who was it that smashed 60 000 Cubans and 100000 Angolans 35 times in a row?

Who was it that re-wrote the book on mobility warfare?

Who was it that saved you from Boko Haram?

It was South Afrika. We have been killing and dieing in the worlds hardest and toughest battles since before you were even a country.

agaugust:
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@Asuokaa has another two sources contained in his own source which are NOT blogs.

Same way you Southies have been posting some sources claiming that Soviets fought in Angola. The guy has opened up a new issue and controversy on this topic and you cannot just dismiss his case, he has sources :




The fact that as many as 5,000 Nigerian troops fought in Angola around 1976-77 may be the most widely-unknown fact in the annals of Nigeria’s very long history of foreign military operations.

In the aftermath of January 1976 OAU summit where General Murtala Muhammed in his timeless “AFRICA HAS COME OF AGE” outing decisively swung the support of the OAU and Africa in favour of the MPLA regime, to the chagrin of their UNITA and FNLA competitors, the FMG backed up the new MPLA government with N13.5m(US$20m) and sent a squadron of MiG-17 jet fighters in support.

It has now emerged that as many as 5,000 Nigerian troops were deployed to Angola and that they saw action in various theatres across the then war-blighted country.

Writing in an article entitled “MOSCOW’S NEXT TARGET IN AFRICA;Paying the Price for Angola“, Robert Moss clearly indicates that ….

QUOTE:

“The Nigerians are said to be heavily involved in Angola. Western intelligence sources report that Nigerian troops were present at battalion strength when the MPLA and the Cubans pushed south last year. According to UNITA sources in Paris, the Nigerian strength has since been reinforced.

UNITA sources have tapes of radio intercepts showing that at least 5,000 Nigerian troops have been deployed in Angola. They are operating as far south as Mocamedes, and are also based in Lobito, Luanda and the eastern diamond mining town of Henrique de Carvalho.

UNITA claims to have intercepted radio communications in English (the common language between the Nigerians, the Cubans and the MPLA), in the Ibo, Hausa and Yoruba dialects, and in a form of pidgin Creole…..An intriguing sidelight is that UNITA also claims that a British shipping line played a key role in ferrying Nigerian troops and military supplies to Angola.

Nigeria, rich in oil and boasting an army of some 210,000 men, can clearly afford to be more than rhetorical in its backing for the guerrilla movements of southern Africa.” END OF QUOTE

Corroborating this report, the world-renowned photo-agency GETTY IMAGES in an archival photo dated 1 January 1977 actually bears a caption which read as follows;

QUOTE:

“Caption: 1977: An Angolan soldier crawls beneath barbed wire trenches during training. Dr Jonas Savimbi and his UNITA movement is doing well in its fight against the ruling MPLA (Movement For The Liberation Of Angola), and its Cuban allies. UNITA claims to control at least half of Angola. In addition to the Cuban forces, Western intelligence sources report that at least 5000 Nigerian troops are also deployed in Angola, on the side of the MPLA. (Photo by Keystone/Getty Images). Date created: 01 Jan 1977 “. END OF QUOTE


http://www.rhodesia.nl/moss4.htm

http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/3336214/Hulton-Archive
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The above source was written in 1977 and the latter took information from the former. So those are just the same source.