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Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by Recs(m): 4:49pm On Apr 15, 2015 |
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Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by sammied(m): 5:00pm On Apr 15, 2015 |
Firstly, I still maintain all my previous post on this thread. Agreed some of the things said about CE are true... Some are practically not true... Cos even though am not a member... My destiny compels me to be extremely concerned about the body of Christ. So.. I do a lot of research on different body of believers. That SOME PEOPLE ARE DOING SOMETHING WRONG AMONG A BODY OF BELIEVERS DOES NOT QUALIFY THE BODY AS A CULT. the church in Corinth is a perfect example. I have learnt a lot from the John McArthur group(a talk for another day) even though I disagree with some of their teachings. Secondly. I love Lee Grady, I have followed him more than half of my life, I have met him. I admire and follow his discernment on critical issues in the body of Christ. But that aside, that does not make everything he says right. In fact some of the things he write, in regards to criticism are just hearsay. Who hasn't Lee Grady criticize? From Benny hinn, Bill Johnson, Copeland, haggin, many many more. Yet Lee Grady is yet to do half of what these people have accomplished and the imprint they have in the body of Christ. Before you go hard on that previous paragraph.... Let me ask you? WHAT RIGHT DO YOU HAVE TO TEAR DOWN WHEN YOU HAVE BUILT NOTHING? Can you be like Paul in 2nd Corinth 10v4-5? If you have the right to tear down so also you must have the right to build up. SO WHAT HAVE YOU BUILT? BEFORE TEARING DOWN? Paul, Peter, Jeremiah, John... etc and even Master Jesus could tear down because they could also build up and they did.... Be like them... If you're tearing down, follow this biblical pattern and show the WORLD what you have built up. We saw and read what these men in the Bible built up. The above is the area I have issues with Lee Grady. And and am yet to see what he's built up except some little here and there. The same with all of those who keep tearing down body of believers... Except some very few exceptions. As I read all the post above, my conclusion is that God's so great to have committed the work of the gospel to man... I mean mortal man... Prone to error, mistakes and even sin. I keep asking the Lord... And the Bible gave an adequate answer... 2nd Corinth 4v7..wow amazing! God's treasure in earthen vessels, why not angelic vessels? But earthen vessels! Allas! I personally apologize to Winsomex for the opinions I raised about him. The Holy Spirit convicted me about that.(i guess another issue? Lol) Love is supreme to all. Most believers who criticize others and have joined the "Spiritual Policeman ministry" actually do it out of love without knowing. Lastly, if you must tear down, what you have also built must be evident. That's the biblical standard. May God continue to lead us aright. 2 Likes |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by WinsomeX: 5:04pm On Apr 15, 2015 |
PastorKun: lol I'm hearing it for the first time. And the question seem to be so difficult to answer. |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by WinsomeX: 5:31pm On Apr 15, 2015 |
@Sammied Thanks for your response. If you had read my introduction, you may have noticed my reluctance to label CE a cult but how I eventually had to come to such conclusion because of the weight of evidence before me. I do not call CE a cult bc they do something wrong. I call them a cult bc of what they teach. The manner with which they idolize Chris and so on is simply an extension of this. CE teaches WoF. With an extension into Gnostic heresies. All these combined with Chris who is now their god and the sin in the camp clearly show them to be a cult. Reading the history of other cult organizations that call themselves Christian has also been an eye opener. I build as wise Master builder. What I do for the Lord, only eternity can tell. As long as you measure building by the amount of followershio a man commands, his church building, his technologies, etc, you will not see as God sees. I'm glad you know the author of that piece. He is a truly great man whom eternity alone will reveal how much he has done for the body of Christ. Read Jeremiah 1, God told him to do six things: the first four where negative, tear down. only the last two positive: build. This is the way the Lord wishes to express himself through me. The tearing down will help a lot of folks. And if you read well, I offer a lot of building doctrines too. Cheers. 1 Like |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by MuttleyLaff: 5:33pm On Apr 15, 2015 |
WinsomeX: PastorKun:Maybe when ice starts to form in hell, an answer the question might surface from them As it is at the moment, the" no answer to the question" situation is unlikely to change now or in the foreseeable future because non of them have the chutzpah to ask to him to his face about it WinsomeX:Ah, hin don tay wey yansh don dey for back nahin that hin be for that matter 1 Like |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by Gombs(m): 5:59pm On Apr 15, 2015 |
PastorKun: hahahahahahahahahahhahaha Olodo |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by Gombs(m): 6:11pm On Apr 15, 2015 |
https://www.nairaland.com/2258343/believe-miracles http://sunnewsonline.com/new/?p=84986 WinsomeX, for your viewing/reading pleasure. |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by sammied(m): 8:44pm On Apr 15, 2015 |
WinsomeX: This is certainly might be my last post on this thread. Yes! Eternity will reveal what we do for the Lord. But then... Here on earth, the Lord Jesus said we should let our light shine so much that men may see our GOOD WORKS and glorify our fathers which is in heaven. On that note, we should STOP using the excuse of Eternity to hide our inability to build while good at tearing down. I didn't use big church, money, etc as references, I use bible examples. If you're a master builder like Paul, what have you built? Are we waiting till Eternity to know what Paul built? The question still no one has answer: if you're good at tearing down, what have you built? We didn't wait till Eternity to see and hear what the men in the Bible built. You keep ignoring my references to the corinthians church. Absolutely consciously being ignored. Lastly, it is far more easy to tear down than to build. It's a very common and easy ministry. Remain Blessed. 2 Likes |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by vooks: 8:52pm On Apr 15, 2015 |
You too bro, you too Gombs: |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by WinsomeX: 9:35pm On Apr 15, 2015 |
Sammied I know what I'm building. God also knows. I don't need to advertise it on the internet. However, if what you build is doing more harm to the gospel, I will tear it down. Now, what's with the Corinthian church? They had some people committing sin. Someone was sleeping with his fathers wife. Then what? Paul celebrated him? Paul rebuked him and when he showed remorse he was restored. Yes, the Corinthians were saints despite their excesses. When will you understand that there is a world of difference between doctrine and practices. God's people can be saved through sound doctrine and err in practice. like the Corinthians they remain saved. BUT NO ONE CAN BE SAVED THROUGH WOF AND GNOSTIC HERESIES. NO ONE CAN BE SAVED VIA NEW AGE GOSPELS. And God will hold you responsible for the blood of those who are damned because they believed a false gospel. I am saying that there is nothing Oyakhilome preached that can save anyone. If it is his gospel of WoF that his people have believed, they are all heading to hell! Except they have believed the true gospel and even at that, thru must still leave that cult eventually. Light and darkness cannot cohabit. If that was your last post. Fine. I will still be here. Goodbye! 1 Like |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by seedgreen(m): 10:07pm On Apr 15, 2015 |
MuttleyLaff:funny children.....the last time i checked, i thought u guys claimed to know him more? anyway, like i earlier advised, ask google or msn. funny dude......they know nada yet they claim they do |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by sammied(m): 10:20pm On Apr 15, 2015 |
WinsomeX: Firstly, I am responding because you now made reference to the corinthians church because it's absolutely a perfect biblical example. But.. am amazed at your doctrines and practices comparism. Which one is right and possible: Correct doctrine and bad practices or Wrong doctrines and right practices.? Are both even truly right? Does doctrines beget practices? Secondly, you see the highest level of hypocrisy being displayed? It's very easy to tear down what others are building over here on the Internet.... But suddenly it's mysterious for us to know what you're building over here on the Internet. It suddenly becomes "the Lord knows"? You cannot be the only one who knows what you're building, since you know SO MUCH about what others are building(especially negative ones) It's absolutely comfortable to advertise others work over here but suddenly you cannot do same for your own works? My brother, Paul wasn't ashamed to advertise what he was building, in fact he said he could boast in the Lord by saying such. Nehemiah built Jerusalem walls.... He announced it... It wasn't hidden.... We are still reading it. Well I have said enough on that. Nothing more! Lastly, am amazed that you said a few things about the corinthians church. Here's an article on that for your perusal. https://www.biblegateway.com/blog/2012/08/letters-to-the-church-1-corinthians/ Google too can help also. Cheers. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by Gombs(m): 10:20pm On Apr 15, 2015 |
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The last two questions are wonderful. I've always wanted to ask him that. But, you know, WX has this narrow is the way, few find it theology. Let him wait till eternity o. Others did theirs on earth, some fellows are waiting for eternity. James thought otherwise though James 2:18 KJV Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. Now, he's all "the Lord knows"….what happened to "let your light so shine before men, that they may see your goodness and glorify tour father in heaven?" All through the bible, God has always wanted his folks to multiply... Spread.. Expand... But WX believes narrow and few are the best God thinks. The question still no one has answer: if you're good at tearing down, what have you built? Countless NL threads and blog. Only the Lord knows what he's doing for The gospel sake We didn't wait till Eternity to see and hear what the men in the Bible built. He won't see this. You keep ignoring my references to the corinthians church. Absolutely consciously being ignored. I see you've finally met WX? Lastly, it is far more easy to tear down than to build. It's a very common and easy ministry. i hope he take notes... This was the man that called Hagin a failure, rubbished Myles Monroe, insulted Kenyon... Chris, Oyedepo, called RCCG brood of vipers littering Lagos/Ibadan exp way etc. I hope he wakes up soon. 1 Like |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by WinsomeX: 3:53am On Apr 16, 2015 |
^^^ How convenient it is for you both to avoid the ISSUES raised on this thread but rather attack the messenger. Now you are so intent on knowing what I'm building so you can attack that one too. The thread will continue here and you can at the least attack that one since it is here for you to see. Also lest anyone come to play the victim: this thread never began with an attack on Chris; rather my focus was to analyse his work for which I conclude it is a cult. If the best defence that Chris' followers can do is to avoid the matters raised and attack me, it is all good and well. It goes with the package of BUILDING a thread like this one. And the thread will be BUILT. 1 Like |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by vooks: 5:44am On Apr 16, 2015 |
Sammied, Winsomex,Gombs, The fact that tearing down is easier than building don't make building better. You can apply the same set of arguments to any religion say Islam. Do you know how many lives have been lost, how many man hours have been burnt in crafting Islam and here you are calling it false? Now replace Islam with Mormons. Every religious system does not materialize from thin air, it arises from convictions and immense resources applied in propagating those convictions all over. Neither the convictions,adherents nor resources make it right. A question nobody has ever answered me here is, who has what it takes to rebuke Oyaks? |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by damosky12(m): 6:07am On Apr 16, 2015 |
WinsomeX: Sir, your main concern should not be how a "cult leader" got a PhD na. After all, he could have used his "cult" influence. Why bother on that since we are not jealous? |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by Kenny4lyfe(m): 6:26am On Apr 16, 2015 |
WinsomeX: Typical response from The Bitter One eh? @sammied As for @WinsomeX we know you, it's your opinion that counts and no one else's. That's why you are an empty drum that makes the loudest noise! Good morning! 1 Like |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by Gombs(m): 6:52am On Apr 16, 2015 |
vooks: What have you built? What have you done with the message of Jesus? Forgive me, but the above bold is the dumbest thing I've read in a long while, with the exception of WX's numerous writings. For example, his writing on WoF piano, building etc. 2 Likes |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by INDUSTRIALFAN(m): 6:59am On Apr 16, 2015 |
simplex2:Pls the Pope is not our God... He's just a spiritual head that keeps the catholic church and faith in order... Other than that, He is just a man to us... Capish? U hardly ever hear a catholic even talk about the pope but Winners? CEC? Damn.... Virtually every sentence is centered around their founders and even their church Posters hold non other than Pictures of their founders like WTF? |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by vooks: 7:00am On Apr 16, 2015 |
Will it make Winsomex allegations false if I told you what I have done? Gombs: |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by Kenny4lyfe(m): 7:00am On Apr 16, 2015 |
Gombs: Lolzzz.... WoF Guitar nko? |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by Gombs(m): 7:15am On Apr 16, 2015 |
[quote author=WinsomeX post=32770614]^^^ How convenient it is for you both to avoid the ISSUES raised on this thread but rather attack the messenger. Oh well! Looks who's crying foul. You've attacked Chris Oyakhilome countless times, you forgot you were attacking a messenger, and not the message. You called him an adulterer, a thief,scam, filthy, hell bound etc... Now, you are crying foul? My Goodness! Now you are so intent on knowing what I'm building so you can attack that one too. We both know you're building nothing, aside your blog and fellowship, both of which failed. Your NL career too is suffering the same fate. Ever asked why? The thread will continue here and you can at the least attack that one since it is here for you to see. Hehehhehehhehe... Good luck with it, only if I can get you to stop mentioning me. Also lest anyone come to play the victim: this thread never began with an attack on Chris; If I attack Dangote's company, am I not attacking the man himself? If I attack Benni Hinn's ministry, calling it a cult, what am I actually attacking? See your sef? rather my focus was to analyse his work for which I conclude it is a cult. Maybe you need go back and read what you typed yourself...I once asked whether you suffer temporary memory loss... By analysing his work, do you mean these? For example, You said CE ravel in sexual immorality, wives and husbands exchange themselves, Chris being caught pants down, members forced to marry within etc... If the best defence that Chris' followers can do is to avoid the matters raised and attack me, it is all good and well. It goes with the package of BUILDING a thread like this one. See consolation. A thread you keep mentioning I,joagbaje and some other folks. Remember, you're doing CE a world of good though.. The more you lie, the more I'm here to let the world know how you're lying. For example, that thread Kenny did that made front page, did you read "divorce, Anita, tithe, suit etc"? No, you didn't. Why? Someone has been here correcting them, and teaching them. Some mail to ask questions, ever wondered why the reception was fairer than usual? Now, they singing "man worship"... I'd fix that soon. Just as how tithe, seed, partnership, and your divorce stories were fixed. Some NLders have come to know who you are.. I make it a point of duty to introduce you to them. I owe them that much. So, if this is what you're building... Fine, ride on. And the thread will be BUILT. |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by Gombs(m): 7:19am On Apr 16, 2015 |
vooks: Forget it...you've done nothing. If you've, you'd have known better. Like Jo said, you cannot just wake up and call a body if Christians cultist, or brood of vipers just because you do not subscribe to what they teach. You can't even gather 10 people for a bible study class. You cannot even demonstrate the power of the spirit... You've ne'er healed anyone, nor casted out a demon. Have you? Yes... I am bragging. If you've financed the gospel,no wahala... But show me your faith by your works. James 2:18 1 Like |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by Gombs(m): 7:20am On Apr 16, 2015 |
Kenny4lyfe: I wish NL tsunami did not happen at all. That thread was a comedy central. 1 Like |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by sammied(m): 7:22am On Apr 16, 2015 |
vooks: Of course your logic is right: but then if you're skilled in the act of tearing down like Winsomex. You must also be equally if not more skilled in the art of building. That's the examples gleaned from God's Word! When you ask the right questions... Then you'll be ready to receive the right answer. All most people do is not rebuke it's criticism, very negative criticism, character assault etc. Example is what Winsomex does. Go and read Paul letters and find out how biblical rebuke is done with love, especially 1st corinthians. Back to your question anyway.. Let me ask: what's the biblical precedent for rebuking someone? It's clearly shown in the scriptures(check my previous post for references) Ricky Joyner could rebuke Todd Bentley when he fell... Why? Because he's a man of impeccable character and we can all see what he's built over the years. Reinhard Bonke was involved in restoring Benny hinns marriage. In fact he rebuked and I told Benny he must get back to his wife. Today their marriage is fully restored and moving forward. I have plenty more examples. And of course, the works Bonke have done for the Lord, are we waiting till eternity to know at least some of it? These are men of strong character and Godly results. Certainly, all these e-warriors are not the one to rebuke Pastor Oyakhilome. I have given u examples of men who can. Stop tearing down if you have nothing you have built. That's what I have studied throughout my own bible and the examples of Godly men. I don't know about you? God bless! |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by vooks: 7:34am On Apr 16, 2015 |
Great rant, Now refute Winsomex with sense minus emotions Gombs: |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by Gombs(m): 7:38am On Apr 16, 2015 |
vooks: Oh I have... I have once told you on this thread, that you need glasses. |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by vooks: 7:38am On Apr 16, 2015 |
Note this is not sinning or falling into sin, but subscription to false doctrines sammied: |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by vooks: 7:40am On Apr 16, 2015 |
You bro , you need them plus contact lenses. You are responding to what was not aksd and ignoring what was raised You can try the rant thing again if it makes you sleep, and then attempt an intelligent response again Gombs: 1 Like |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by sammied(m): 8:01am On Apr 16, 2015 |
WinsomeX: What have you said on this issue that I have avoided? Please stop beating about the Bush, read my previous post. I like the fact that you're now feeling the weight of what it means to attack personalities. Let me ask you. What is the different between a man and his message? Jesus said you will be judged by your words. A man is as important as his message if not more important. The messenger can cause damage to the message. In fact God's even more concerned about his men than his message, the very reason he takes time moulding his men. Bottom line, when you attack a man's message, you attack the man. My brother if all you're building with God's grace on your life are these things I read on Internet, then carry on, then I also wonder who's your biblical examples. I also wonder what results they have produced all these years(I guess you will say : eternity will know. Right?) by now there should have been some visible restoration, don't you think so? But in my opinion: the seed of discord, confusion... etc that you've sown and keep sowing in the body of Christ only eternity will tell. Have a fruitful day! 1 Like |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by sammied(m): 8:07am On Apr 16, 2015 |
vooks: The corinthians church subscribe to false doctrines. Go and read extensively on it. Was that enough reason for Paul to label the whole body a Cult? It seems you people don't even know what you're saying self. https://www.biblegateway.com/blog/2012/08/letters-to-the-church-1-corinthians/ 1 Like |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by Gombs(m): 8:17am On Apr 16, 2015 |
sammied: Maybe he should read about the church in Galatia |
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