Okay

ICEMAN:
It is impressive and inspiring to read posts such as these. As Nigeria gets older as a nation as a people ethnic divisions should become a thing of the past. A typical example is that I am an Igbo whose first cousins are Yoruba, Hausa, Calabar and Bonny in Rivers State. We have been brought up to love and assist one another. There are no ethnic divisions between us and we enjoy each other's hometown's and cultures. That also includes the VIP treatment when you go to their hometowns. My closest friend in life is Yoruba and he is my mother's adopted son and as good as my biological brother. We should not limit ourselves. A house divided itself cannot stand. We are Nigeria and may GOD Bless us all!

You are a lucky man!

[quote author=bigfrancis21 post=33377133][/quote] Abeg .nack source Join am

If not for the igbos there will be no YORUBA race.
Igbos are always creating races.kai

ladionline:


Were this people the early inhabitants of Ife?
where did they come from, and why were they send away?

Were they the folks that gave us Yoruba language?
Are you insinuating that Igbos were the rightful owners of Yorubaland?
Did the Yoruba language also belong to the Igbo?

Were this Ife Igbos the same as today Igbos in the east?
or you are plotting eastern Igbo in the midst of Yoruba historical hub?

Your conclussion needs further butresing to be understood, but i love the good attempt anyway if you will make it more clearer.

You get time for this dreamer op; the 'ugbo' the history refers to is with the sound 're' 'mi' not Igbo, 'do' 'do', as in igbo. in Ekiti, Ijesa, Ife, etc dialects, Yoruba 'i' means 'u'. Yoruba language is highly tonal, so the op and his likes could confuse 'igbo' - bush, 'igbo'-hemp, 'Igbo' - group, 'Igbo' - headbutt with 'Igbo' - ethnic group. Igbo originated from pygmies and Igalas, the later with Benin rulership of present Anambra and part of imo gave them the related words with Yoruba, okuta-okute, eji-ejima, omi-miri, imu-imi, apa-aka, etc.

Ijebu Igbos have Igbo ancestry in them!

This Yoruba daughter of Ijebu Igbo took a DNA test to determine how much percentage Yoruba she is and received the following shocking news of her life!

mimifonwon:


Anyways the test for me came out this way:

Father- yoruba from ijebu-igbo= 35% igbo of subsharan africa, 55% yoruba of subsharan africa, 10% of fulani of subsharan africa.
Mother-95% igbo of subsharan africa, 5% undetermined

Then i did my own
and me= 65% igbo of subsharan africa, 25% of yoruba of subsharan africa, and 10% fulani of subsharan africa



So basically the genes that are shared between each group that never changed is what gives the percentage- that is how most african americans sold into slavery are tracing their roots back to africa. I hope i explained it well

This 'Yoruba' girl is actually more of Igbo in her genetic make-up despite being from Ijebu-Igbo (mere 25% yoruba gene in her), and this might be the case applicable to many Ijebu-Igbos today.

Lol

The OP of this thread should post his address so we can gather at his house and lynch him! Very stupid thread! So ugbo people, or people of the bush, have magically turned into today's Igbo? The mod that forwarded this to the front page without a link or verifiable source should also be lynched!
Bloody îdiots!!!

alablec:


You get time for this dreamer op; the 'ugbo' the history refers to is with the sound 're' 'mi' not Igbo, 'do' 'do', as in igbo. in Ekiti, Ijesa, Ife, etc dialects, Yoruba 'i' means 'u'. Yoruba language is highly tonal, so the op and his likes could confuse 'igbo' - bush, 'igbo'-hemp, 'Igbo' - group, 'Igbo' - headbutt with 'Igbo' - ethnic group. Igbo originated from pygmies and Igalas, the later with Benin rulership of present Anambra and part of imo gave them the related words with Yoruba, okuta-okute, eji-ejima, omi-miri, imu-imi, apa-aka, etc.

Notwithstanding, Igbo in Anambra and Oguta just like Igala, Ebira, Nupe, Ika, kwale, urobo, and particularly, Itsekiri, Edos share a lot with the Yoruba, we must see them as our distance cousins. Awolowo was in Obi of Onitsha's palace for the purpose of unity; the ruling houses in Onitsha ( former Igala village), Asaba, Agbor, etc are being ruled up till this day by Benin princes, children of Eweka- son of Oromiyan , grandson of O'dua, father of Yorubas.

4chi:
The writer of this trash is sick in the head. Prince chima ko, prince china ni! Pray what exactly is this Igbo fixation with Yoruba history? Typical of most primitive people, yeeboos have formed the penchant for FABRICATING their history.they even got some sort of pseudo intellectual fraudulent support from the likes of "prof" catherine acholonu whom the gods recently deleted from existence due to her persistence in fabricating and redecorating the "history" of a clearly primitive African tribe. At a time,the fool was all over the diaspora creating confusion and ascribing some sort of funny relationship between Igbo and Yorubas. The height of it was her linking ijebu Igbo to Igbo land conveniently ignoring the fact that Igbo in Yoruba simply means deep jungle or marihuana in modern lingo.

Try as much as you can, it is settled fact that you guys were and are village dwellers with no monarchy,no empire, no urbanization ,no notable historical personality,no notable war fought(your arse was whooped in the only one you fought in modern times), no developed religion or spirituality like the ifa corpus in yorubaland etc prior to the arrival of the whiteman.

Listen up all you ibo wannabes, the Yorubas have absolutely NOTHING in common with you apart from the useless green passport we are forced to carry..May the thousand Orishas of ife make the ground very slippery for all who engage in latter day "ibo made" history

Choi!!! Yeebos have been destroyed

Not trying to stir the pot, but I always found it funny how some ancient landmarks and peoples name (which are undecipherable today) can be translated into Igbo. For example Ife in Igbo is 'light' and 'civilisation', and Odudu nwa in Igbo is the last child. No assumptions o!

ezeagu:
Not trying to stir the pot, but I always found it funny how some ancient landmarks and peoples name (which are undecipherable today) can be translated into Igbo. For example Ife in Igbo is 'light' and 'civilisation', and Odudu nwa in Igbo is the last child. No assumptions o!

Oduduwa also means 'odu ndi uwa' - leader of the people of the world in Igbo. When pronounced fast, odundiuwa comes out as odunduwa due to the olilo udaume feature in Igbo language. Coincidentally, oduduwa is said to be the leader of the yorubas today. Such coincidence!

'Obatala' means 'he has entered' in Igbo. Purely Igbo word.

bigfrancis21:
What is it with Igbos and natural domination of anywhere they go to? In the 1700s during slavery in Virginia, US, Igbos dominated the slave trade of Virginia such that Virginia became known as Ibo land.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHTuewqYeFI

Igbo kwenu....

macof:
Lol So ibos are the true inhabitants of Ile-Ife

U guys just like disturbing Yoruba people, wat concerns Igbo in Moremi's story to the lost Hebrews? aren't they Hebrews again? They now Ifes

This claim can't be taken seriously
It's totally false

your type can't excape carryover in school

okekeanayo:
your type can't excape carryover in school

Likewise you...

alablec:


Notwithstanding, Igbo in Anambra and Oguta just like Igala, Ebira, Nupe, Ika, kwale, urobo, and particularly, Itsekiri, Edos share a lot with the Yoruba, we must see them as our distance cousins. Awolowo was in Obi of Onitsha for this purpose; the ruling houses in Onitsha ( former Igala village), Asaba, Agbor, etc are being ruled up till this day by Benin princes, children of Eweka- son of Iromiyan , grandson of O'dua, father of Yorubas.

Onitsha is not being ruled by a Bini Prince, Onitsha is being ruled by Igbos whose ancestors once resided in ancient Bini, but returned back home when things went awry. Of course, having spent sometime in Bini, they became Bini influenced but retained their Igbo core.

Bini is not even older than Agbor, Agbor always stood up to Bini, they are not Bini,and there are no Bini princes in Agbor, Oza Bini people, know how they became a part of. Agbor.

Nnebisi the founder of Asaba had an Igala father and an Igbo mother, but Nnebisi and his descendants are but minorities in Asaba, for Asaba was already an Igbo town before Nnebisi arrival to the town, Asaba had indigenous Igbo speaking groups like the Ugbomas and the Eze anyanwu groups, domiciled there already. The wise Nnebisi unified all those Indigenous Igbo groups and established a United Asaba( Ahaba).

So, saying that Ahaba is being ruled by Bini prince is a gross display of Ignorance just like calling Onitsha a former Igala village is a display of tomfoolery. Onitsha was already an Igboland before the return of the Igbos in Bini, aka the Ezechime clan to the land.

babyosisi:



Me too
I thought he fell gbigidim and landed on his two feet at ile ife

The same way the tortoise hid his mum in the sky yet joined others in eating theirs.

macof:


Uhe is the bini pronunciation of Ife

I think bini(Igodomigodo) came from Ife but no strong prove to that yet

.

Correction:

The Bini and hence all the Edoid tribes (Urhobo/Okpe/Isoko/Esan/Afemai/Owan/Degema in Rivers State and many more) DO NOT come from Ife.
If they did, Bini language would be much more closely related like the Edoid languages are.

Like you rightly said, Ife is called Uhe in Bini. Bini Royal Family and relatives, however, claim to descend from Ife. Hence the saying " Uhe obioba". Meaning the Oba is from Ife. As descendants of an earlier warrior Benin King, we're very conscious of it. Our morning greeting and accompanying "oriki" are constant reminders.

Though the Benin have a different version of Ododuwa as a banished Benin Prince Ekaladerhan who entered Ife from the East.Stopping temporarily at Owo. The Link between Owo & Benin , especially Royalty cannot be ignored.

Interestingly Benin is roughly 70 miles from Owo and Owo is about same distance from Ile-Ife.

Hopefully, our descendants 100 years from now will be less tribalistic and have more confidence in themselves as Africans.
Maybe, they will start to scientifically analyse and study African history with a view to deciphering migrations and foundation of Nigerian Kingdoms.

For now, we are still monkeying about with ideas of progenitors crossing seas and deserts coming from Arabia, Egypt, Sudan and what not.

These are the kind of threads that should be gracing FP. Let's know our history, it will help in bringing us together. NOT "Genevivo shows her dry cleavage" "Tonto Dike visits babalawo" "TuFace found under a woman's skirt"
Of what use are such nonsense stories to us??

ICEMAN:
It is impressive and inspiring to read posts such as these. As Nigeria gets older as a nation as a people ethnic divisions should become a thing of the past. A typical example is that I am an Igbo whose first cousins are Yoruba, Hausa, Calabar and Bonny in Rivers State. We have been brought up to love and assist one another. There are no ethnic divisions between us and we enjoy each other's hometown's and cultures. That also includes the VIP treatment when you go to their hometowns. My closest friend in life is Yoruba and he is my mother's adopted son and as good as my biological brother. We should not limit ourselves. A house divided itself cannot stand. We are Nigeria and may GOD Bless us all!

The funny thing here is that you can never see a yoruba person talk like this. It is always hate that flows through their veins!

alablec:


Notwithstanding, Igbo in Anambra and Oguta just like Igala, Ebira, Nupe, Ika, kwale, urobo, and particularly, Itsekiri, Edos share a lot with the Yoruba, we must see them as our distance cousins. Awolowo was in Obi of Onitsha's palace for the purpose of unity; the ruling houses in Onitsha ( former Igala village), Asaba, Agbor, etc are being ruled up till this day by Benin princes, children of Eweka- son of Oromiyan , grandson of O'dua, father of Yorubas.

Sorry, but for Agbor, they are not being ruled by Bini people, they adopted much Bini customs and traditions, particularly the government, however the Obi of Agbor is also know as Dein, which is an Igbo word for master, head etc (also dede or dei). If you go to Agbor they will laugh at you if you call them ndi Idu, not that there's anything wrong with being Bini. Also, The Aniocha (Asaba, Igbuzor, etc) people have even less Bini and outside influence, their root is firmly among the Nri Igbo, the origins of Agbor are mostly around those areas as well judging from their use of Nze and Ikenga cult, etc. Agbor is more like a frontier town of Igbo culture, althoguh a few families trace their ancestry to Ishan, Edo, etc. Also, the Benin Empire had Igbo influence as well, just to note.

Onitsha is just an Igbo town with Bini governmental influence, same as Ugwuta and Obosi, etc.

Two great tribes of Nigeria still squabbling when cohesion of the two is what's needed to take Nigeria to the promised land. Shame on you all!!!!!!!

pazienza:


Onitsha is not being ruled by a Bini Prince, Onitsha is being ruled by Igbos whose ancestors once resided in ancient Bini, but returned back home when things went awry. Of course, having spent sometime in Bini, they became Bini influenced but retained their Igbo core.

Bini is not even older than Agbor, Agbor always stood up to Bini, they are not Bini,and there are no Bini princes in Agbor, Oza Bini people, know how they became a part of. Agbor.

Nnebisi the founder of Asaba had an Igala father and an Igbo mother, but Nnebisi and his descendants are but minorities in Asaba, for Asaba was already an Igbo town before Nnebisi arrival to the town, Asaba had indigenous Igbo speaking groups like the Ugbomas and the Eze anyanwu groups, domiciled there already. The wise Nnebisi unified all those Indigenous Igbo groups and established a United Asaba( Ahaba).

So, saying that Ahaba is being ruled by Bini prince is a gross display of Ignorance just like calling Onitsha a former Igala village is a display of tomfoolery. Onitsha was already an Igboland before the return of the Igbos in Bini, aka the Ezechime clan to the land.

You need more researches than assumptions. you can also find time to read Prof Eluwa's unbiased 'Ado na idu'.

There is a great issue with Igbo people they like to distort history and this is disrepectful and can mislead the next generation. These are the cause of all the problems the world face.

macof:
Lol So ibos are the true inhabitants of Ile-Ife

U guys just like disturbing Yoruba people, wat concerns Igbo in Moremi's story to the lost Hebrews? aren't they Hebrews again? They now Ifes

This claim can't be taken seriously
It's totally false

Sir/ma, I've come to the conclusion that igbos are not Africans they emanated from the ancient Palestine that why its difficult to tell their history. They have no history that can embed them effectively to the evolution of African, they have to go back to Israel.

alablec:


You need more researches than assumptions. you can also find time to read Prof Eluwa's unbiased 'Ado na idu'.

Post a link to Prof Eluwa's Ado na idu.

ezeagu:


Sorry, but for Agbor, they are not being ruled by Bini people, they adopted much Bini customs and traditions, particularly the government, however the Obi of Agbor is also know as Dein, which is an Igbo word for master, head etc (also dede or dei). If you go to Agbor they will laugh at you if you call them ndi Idu, not that there's anything wrong with being Bini. Also, The Aniocha (Asaba, Igbuzor, etc) people have even less Bini and outside influence, their root is firmly among the Nri Igbo, the origins of Agbor are mostly around those areas as well judging from their use of Nze and Ikenga cult, etc. Agbor is more like a frontier town of Igbo culture, althoguh a few families trace their ancestry to Ishan, Edo, etc. Also, the Benin Empire had Igbo influence as well, just to note.

Onitsha is just an Igbo town with Bini governmental influence, same as Ugwuta and Obosi, etc.

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As it is now, with every hamlet in present day Nigeria claiming total independence since Adam and Eve, we will never know. Especially without written proof of treaties and such things.

But why did the Obi/Dein become so influenced as to adopt Benin kind of government?

Why is it that several earliest Obis of Agbor were called "Gbenoba", another version of Igbinoba (meaning I take refuge with the Oba)?
Why is it that only later Obis took Igbo names upon becoming Obi?

Why did Ojukwu famously despise some Onitsha indigenes for claiming descent from Benin?

People can laugh at an idea out of true knowledge of facts or out of ignorance.

AreaFada2:
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As it is now, with every hamlet in present day Nigeria claiming total independence since Adam and Eve, we will never know. Especially without written proof of treaties and such things.

But why did the Obi/Dein become so influenced as to adopt Benin kind of government?

Why is it that several earliest Obis of Agbor were called "Gbenoba", another version of Igbinoba (meaning I take refuge with the Oba)?
Why is it that only later Obis took Igbo names upon becoming Obi?

Why did Ojukwu famously despise some Onitsha indigenes for claiming descent from Benin?

People can laugh at an idea out of true knowledge of facts or out of ignorance.

Ontisha people are from Benin, how African Americans are from America.

The Bini people call Agbor people Ovigbo, meaning Igbo people. Ask an Ika or Bini man whether that's true or not, many of them on nairaland. They do not claim Agbor, neither do Agbor claim Bini. Agbor history sees themselves allied with Benin, in Olaudah Equianos memoirs he talks about a people who were under the Benin Empires influence, but 'nominally' and they still identified with themselves and in extension Igbo. Judging from Eze Chima's story, it seems that in the past at least there was a healthy relationship with the Edo and the Igbo which resulted in influence in both ways (see Ikegobo-Ikenga, and the Edo and Igbo calendar days). The Agbor people have Bini influence, especially the royal family, that is not in dispute, however Ika is an Igbo dialect and the head deity of Agbor is Ani, the earth goddess, as in other areas of Igbo land. I could go on. Agbor is an Igbo town with much Bini influence, lets just accept this and move one. Even Ika people who are in the minority that don't identify as Igbo do not identify as Edo, which is why they are in Delta.

vanbonattel:


where did ijebu igbo come from, no be igbo men?

Lol ....ijebu Igbo again?

Lol@Ijebu Igbo,

Abba, Igbo mean Bush in Yoruba land.

AreaFada2:
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Correction:

The Bini and hence all the Edoid tribes (Urhobo/Okpe/Isoko/Esan/Afemai/Owan/Degema in Rivers State and many more) DO NOT come from Ife.
If they did, Bini language would be much more closely related like the Edoid languages are.

Like you rightly said, Ife is called Uhe in Bini. Bini Royal Family and relatives, however, claim to descend from Ife. Hence the saying " Uhe obioba". Meaning the Oba is from Ife. As descendants of an earlier warrior Benin King, we're very conscious of it. Our morning greeting and accompanying "oriki" are constant reminders.

Though the Benin have a different version of Ododuwa as a banished Benin Prince Ekaladerhan who entered Ife from the East.Stopping temporarily at Owo. The Link between Owo & Benin , especially Royalty cannot be ignored.

Interestingly Benin is roughly 70 miles from Owo and Owo is about same distance from Ile-Ife.

Hopefully, our descendants 100 years from now will be less tribalistic and have more confidence in themselves as Africans.
Maybe, they will start to scientifically analyse and study African history with a view to deciphering migrations and foundation of Nigerian Kingdoms.

For now, we are still monkeying about with ideas of progenitors crossing seas and deserts coming from Arabia, Egypt, Sudan and what not.

You are right. ...at that time I said I "think" I wasn't saying more than my thoughts

If we continue to treat history this way our descendants won't even know their grandparents
It's a pity that the new cool is to claim middle eastern or northern african origin