agaugust:


T-129 beats Rooivalk....see


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHYRqN48hd8

[size=20pt]Nigerian Air Force To Buy T-129 Attack Helicopters

.[/size]

How is it better?

patches689:


Where does it say anything about 200 T-72's?

All available sources say 56

Fact.

56 T-72 M1 version from what country ? http://www.praguepost.com/the-big-story/44075-nigeria-buys-czech-weapons-to-fight-boko-haram

T-72 AV version from what country? http://info-news.eu/ukraine-delivered-t-72ab-tanks-and-btr-4e-apcs-to-nigeria/

Nigerian army is gonna blaze through the armour of SANDF with our battalions of 125mm killer gun T-72 tanks, eating Olifants for dinner

.

patches689:


How is it better?

T-129 is 2014 technology for NAF....plus a 4 barrel 20mm gun.....not the 1 barrel weak gun on SAAF Rooivalk

4 times more firepower (((((BOOM)))))
.

agaugust:


56 T-72 M1 version from what country ? http://www.praguepost.com/the-big-story/44075-nigeria-buys-czech-weapons-to-fight-boko-haram

T-72 AV version from what country? http://info-news.eu/ukraine-delivered-t-72ab-tanks-and-btr-4e-apcs-to-nigeria/

Nigerian army is gonna blaze through the armour of SANDF with our battalions of 125mm killer gun T-72 tanks, eating Olifants for dinner

.

Ok,

So where does it say 200?

agaugust:


T-129 is 2014 technology for NAF....plus a 4 barrel 20mm gun.....not the 1 barrel weak gun on SAAF Rooivalk

4 times more firepower (((((BOOM)))))
.

T-129 - 20mm with only 500 rounds
Rooivalk - 20mm with 700 rounds.

1.4 times more firepower.

T-129 maximum weapons payload - 1,200kg
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/t129-attack-helicopter/[center][/center]

Rooivalk maximum weapons payload - 2000kg
http://www.flightglobal.com/FlightPDFArchive/1994/1994%20-%202293.PDF

1.6 times more weapons payload.

(((BOOM)))

PS: do some research next-time

patches689:


How are they better?

Both of yours are 100% not-nigerian

Like Augaugust stated, the Turks evaluated both, and they come to the absolute conclusion that the T-129 far out-classes the Half-french. Hence the half-french was roundly rejected, which lead to the closure of it's production line with only 12 units built and 10 in active service anywhere in the world.

patches689:


T-129 - 20mm with only 500 rounds
Rooivalk - 20mm with 700 rounds.

1.4 times more firepower.

T-129 maximum weapons payload - 1,200kg
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/t129-attack-helicopter/[center][/center]

Rooivalk maximum weapons payload - 2000kg
http://www.flightglobal.com/FlightPDFArchive/1994/1994%20-%202293.PDF

1.6 times more weapons payload.

(((BOOM)))

PS: do some research next-time

Su-24 jet payload 8,000 kg
Gripen jet payload 5,300 kg

Does heavier load make the Su-24 better than Gripen?

Payload is not same as engagement firepower, the 4 barrel gun is 4 times more powerful.

Extra payload for weaker guns and obsolescent munitions weakens the Rooivalk.....NAF is pushing SAAF further backward behind us
.

agaugust:


Su-24 jet payload 8,000 kg
Gripen jet payload 5,300 kg

Does heavier load make the Su-24 better than Gripen?

Payload is not same as engagement firepower, the 4 barrel gun is 4 times more powerful.

Extra payload for weaker guns and obsolescent munitions weakens the Rooivalk.....NAF is pushing SAAF further backward behind us
.

Is the Gripen the same class of aircraft as the Su-24?

Rooivalk has a bigger payload.

The same gun... and more ammunition for it.

Again, you shot your mouth off before doing your homework and have embarrassed yourself.

Rooivalk can deploy more weapons, thus it has more firepower. Fact.

agaugust:

Can you show us the Sudanese made missile? .

You don't know Mr military researcher?

agaugust:


@MikeCAR asked for air traffic control, not military radar, he got that surprise answer, it was spot on....on target
.

If you were to deploy outside Nigeria, you'll need air traffic control capabilities.

Or your jets will not operate during bad weather and limited at night.

Show us your military deployable air traffic and control radars.

Henry120:


Procuring 26 Fighters when you can only train 9 pilots can't be referred to as smart, maybe it is south-african smart, but the rest of the world disagrees.

Neither is procuring Submarines only for it to turn out it's piracy, considered smart.

Your government carries out procurments without thinking.

What country maintains its squadrons at full wartime capability? SAAF still has reserve pilots.

The submarines have demonstrated what they're needed for, one might be in Nigerian waters right now.

Operational requirements! Not what's available.

Henry120:


White pig....... Make a coherent post, it shouldn't be that hard.

So many loopholes your generals and admirals are enriching them selves.

Your defence procurement system is flawed.

agaugust:


Nope your Soweto Navy OPV is the 1970s vintage warrior class tiny gunboats

Can we talk about NNS Aradu?

patches689:


Its a lightweight in the attack helicopter world

Lightweight scout type of helicopter.

Not in the class of MI-28, Rooivalk and Apache!

Henry120:


The Hull might be old, but that boat is africa's most advanced High endurance vessel. It comes with a state of the art "Rmfac" (spelling incorrect) and an advance radar/ data link system which allows for seamless communication between the ATR, land Operations center/ surveillance systems , commandos and vessel.

The boat also got an 8.5 million dollars overhaul before transfer.

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An example of how flawed your defence procurement system is.

Henry120:

1 Frigate
4 corvettes
6 missile boats

Dinner for a single submarine.

agaugust:


Su-24 jet payload 8,000 kg
Gripen jet payload 5,300 kg

Does heavier load make the Su-24 better than Gripen?

Payload is not same as engagement firepower, the 4 barrel gun is 4 times more powerful.

Extra payload for weaker guns and obsolescent munitions weakens the Rooivalk.....NAF is pushing SAAF further backward behind us
.

To make it simple for you: Stop comparing yum with cassava.

The Gripen is multi-role fighter compare it to jets like the F-16 and JF-17.

Rheinmetall munition are what? Rheinmental makes the most advanced munition in the world.

Dual fed, ability to switch from armour piercing to high explosive.

patches689:


T-129 - 20mm with only 500 rounds
Rooivalk - 20mm with 700 rounds.

1.4 times more firepower.

T-129 maximum weapons payload - 1,200kg
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/t129-attack-helicopter/[center][/center]

Rooivalk maximum weapons payload - 2000kg
http://www.flightglobal.com/FlightPDFArchive/1994/1994%20-%202293.PDF

1.6 times more weapons payload.

(((BOOM)))

PS: do some research next-time

Rooivalk: 6 Hardpoints.
T-129: 4 Hard points.

agaugust:


56 T-72 M1 version from what country ? http://www.praguepost.com/the-big-story/44075-nigeria-buys-czech-weapons-to-fight-boko-haram

T-72 AV version from what country? http://info-news.eu/ukraine-delivered-t-72ab-tanks-and-btr-4e-apcs-to-nigeria/

Nigerian army is gonna blaze through the armour of SANDF with our battalions of 125mm killer gun T-72 tanks, eating Olifants for dinner

.

Where's the mechanised infantry?

They'll be diner for "anti-tank hunter teams".

patches689:


Not as old as your cutters

"As old as a Nigerian cutter"

MikeCZAR:


Rooivalk: 6 Hardpoints.
T-129: 4 Hard points.

T-129: advanced millimetre wave radar (MILDAR), similar to the Longbow and the IAI/ELTA radars.
Rooivalk: Doppler radar and GPS ( obsolete piece of junk)

T-129: AGM-114 Hellfire missiles (the best in the world even the Reaper drones and advanced American systems use it)
Rooivalk: Mokopa missile ( sounds like makossa no offence) **mokopa isn't in service with the SAAF**

xwolverine:


T-129: advanced millimetre wave radar (MILDAR), similar to the Longbow and the IAI/ELTA radars.
Rooivalk: Doppler radar and GPS ( obsolete piece of junk)

T-129: AGM-114 Hellfire missiles (the best in the world even the Reaper drones and advanced American systems use it)
Rooivalk: Mokopa missile ( sounds like makossa no offence) **mokopa isn't in service with the SAAF**

lol @ 'makossa'

Why are we sill entertaining this whole T-129 vs Rooivalk thing in the first place?

Nigeria does not and will not have the T-129, Its just a another dream like the T80,Super Tucano,JF-17, FH77 L52 ,ect ect ect

In fact theres a better chance that SAAF will acquire additional Rooivalk MK2s and upgrade the rest before NAF even puts out a tender for a new Attack Helo!

BTW the Rooivalk MK1 is better than the T-129!!

xwolverine:


T-129: advanced millimetre wave radar (MILDAR), similar to the Longbow and the IAI/ELTA radars.
Rooivalk: Doppler radar and GPS ( obsolete piece of junk)

T-129: AGM-114 Hellfire missiles (the best in the world even the Reaper drones and advanced American systems use it)
Rooivalk: Mokopa missile ( sounds like makossa no offence) **mokopa isn't in service with the SAAF**

More opinion based Bull sh:t!

OH!!!!!!!!! and BTW NAF does not have any T-129s, so why are you comparing a weapon system that Nigeria does not have?

MikeCZAR:


Rooivalk: 6 Hardpoints.
T-129: 4 Hard points.

Rooivalk Max Range: 1335Km
T-129 Max Range: 1000 Km

Rooivalk Cruise speed: 278Km/h
T-129 Cruise speed: 269Km/h

Rooivalk Hover Ceiling: 5547M
T-129 Hover Ceiling: 3993M

Rooivalk Air-Air Missiles: 4
T-129 Air-Air Missiles: 2

MikeCZAR:
Dinner for a single submarine.

"The one you keep running to the sea bed, or the one your sailors can't properly connect it's fuse?"....... Definitely not bothered.

MikeCZAR:
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An example of how flawed your defence procurement system is.

It shows how efficient it is. The Nigerian Navy got a state of the art High endurance cutter for free.

Efficiency, prudence with resources, effective.

MikeCZAR:


So many loopholes your generals and admirals are enriching them selves.

Your defence procurement system is flawed.

Apparently not as much as your generals and defence ministry officials got buying fighter jets you are too mentally handicapped to fly.


“South Africa acquired three submarines that spend most of the time on the ‘hard’ at Simon’s Town and 50 BAE Hawk and BAE/Saab Gripen fighter aircraft for which the country had almost no pilots to fly them, mechanics to maintain them, or even the money to fuel them.




(Mail & Guardian [Johannesburg], April 21, 2012). Without money to operate sophisticated equipment, skilled staff continue to flee at the end of their enlistment and there is little opportunity for new recruits to train in skills useful in the civilian world. Parliament's Joint Standing Committee on Defense has described abuse of women in the SANDF as "common," adding that many female recruits have been impregnated by their instructors (BUAnews, November 26, 2011).


You are apparently good at impregnating female recruits. Good for you!!

MikeCZAR:
What country maintains its squadrons at full wartime capability? SAAF still has reserve pilots.

The submarines have demonstrated what they're needed for, one might be in Nigerian waters right now.

Operational requirements! Not what's available.

What country can only raise 9 pilots after 16years of signing the contract for 26 Gripens?


The only thing your Subs have demonstrated is, the ability to hit the sea bed at lightning speeds.

9 Pilots for 26 Planes is operational requirements..... LOL!!

MikeCZAR:
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An example of how flawed your defence procurement system is.

26 new Swedish-built Gripen fighter-jets, purchased at a cost of R10 billion (approximately $1 billion), average only two hours in the air each week; not enough to keep the machines in operable condition and far from the 10 hours of flight-time each week considered necessary to keep pilots well-trained

Former SAAF chief Lieutenant General Carlo Gagiano retired in 2012 after trying to resign in late 2011 during his hospitalization for stress as he continued to try unsuccessfully to find enough money for the fuel and maintenance to keep the SAAF in the air


Pathetic bunch of losers!!!

jln115:

Rooivalk Max Range: 1335Km
T-129 Max Range: 1000 Km

Rooivalk Cruise speed: 278Km/h
T-129 Cruise speed: 269Km/h

Rooivalk Hover Ceiling: 5547M
T-129 Hover Ceiling: 3993M

Rooivalk Air-Air Missiles: 4
T-129 Air-Air Missiles: 2

Powerplant: LHTEC CTS-800 4A, 2 x 1014kW (2 x 1361shp).
Max Design Gross Weight: 5000 kg (11,023 lb).
Dimensions: Length: 13.64 m Main Rotor Diameter: 11.90 m Overall Height: 3.96 m.
Crew: 2, Tandem.

[/b]Cruise Speed: 269 km/h, 145 kts.
Range: 1000 km.

HIGE: 3993 m.
HOGE: 3048 m.

Service Ceiling: 6096 m.
Endurance: 3 hrs (std tank).

Armaments: 2x4 UMTAS ATGM Missile (or Hellfire or Spike), 4x19 70 mm (2.75”) Unguided Rockets, 4x2-4 70 mm (2.75”) Guided CİRİT Rockets, 2x2 ATAM Stinger.
 

It out-classes the Half-french rooivalk.