Henry120:


What country can only raise 9 pilots after 16years of signing the contract for 26 Gripens?


The only thing your Subs have demonstrated is, the ability to hit the sea bed at lightning speeds.

9 Pilots for 26 Planes is operational requirements..... LOL!!

NAf has 3 pilots for 11 F-7s, so which do you think is worst SAAF or NAF?

Henry120:



Powerplant: LHTEC CTS-800 4A, 2 x 1014kW (2 x 1361shp).
Max Design Gross Weight: 5000 kg (11,023 lb).
Dimensions: Length: 13.64 m Main Rotor Diameter: 11.90 m Overall Height: 3.96 m.
Crew: 2, Tandem.

[/b]Cruise Speed: 269 km/h, 145 kts.
Range: 1000 km.

HIGE: 3993 m.
HOGE: 3048 m.

Service Ceiling: 6096 m.
Endurance: 3 hrs (std tank).

Armaments: 2x4 UMTAS ATGM Missile (or Hellfire or Spike), 4x19 70 mm (2.75”) Unguided Rockets, 4x2-4 70 mm (2.75”) Guided CİRİT Rockets, 2x2 ATAM Stinger.
 

It out-classes the Half-french rooivalk.

Powerplant: 2 × Turbomeca Makila 1K2 turboshafts, 1,420 kW (1,904 shp) each
Empty Weight : 5,910kg (13,029lb)
Max Take-off Weight : 8,750kg (19,290lb)


Rooivalk Cruise speed: 278Km/h
Rooivalk service ceiling: 6100m
Rooivalk Hover HIGE/HOGE: 5547m/5029m
Rooivalk Range : 1335km

Armament:
•8 or 16 Anti-tank Mokopa (SAL) missiles
•4 x Air-to-air Mistral missiles
•38 or 76 x 70 mm Unguided rockets
•20 mm F2 High-speed dual feed cannon, carrying 750 rounds

So how does the T-129 outclass the Rooivalk?

agaugust:


T-129 is 2014 technology for NAF....plus a 4 barrel 20mm gun.....not the 1 barrel weak gun on SAAF Rooivalk

4 times more firepower (((((BOOM)))))
.

It only has 3 barrels village idi0t!

Henry120:


"The one you keep running to the sea bed, or the one your sailors can't properly connect it's fuse?"....... Definitely not bothered.

Remember when 1 SAN sub sunk an entire Nato fleet? Just imagine what it would do to the NN

Henry120:


It shows how efficient it is. The Nigerian Navy got a state of the art High endurance cutter for free.

Efficiency, prudence with resources, effective.

And by state of the art, you mean 60 year old rust buckets!

This are real warships mate:

ukemeramat:


[s]which NE theatre? how did u access nairaland from there when communication has been cut off. mumu!!! u can only do that when u are in maidugri!!!! Young man, i never said that SANDF is more superior to NA mind u. am only quoting as at NA present situation the govt left it... it can't challenge other african power house for now... rough but simple truth![/s]

xwolverine:


T-129: advanced millimetre wave radar (MILDAR), similar to the Longbow and the IAI/ELTA radars.
Rooivalk: Doppler radar and GPS ( obsolete piece of junk)

T-129: AGM-114 Hellfire missiles (the best in the world even the Reaper drones and advanced American systems use it)
Rooivalk: Mokopa missile ( sounds like makossa no offence) **mokopa isn't in service with the SAAF**

Sensors, computers and softwares can easily be upgraded.

Let's talk about flying characteristics and hardware.

Hellfire: 8km.
Seeker: Modular.
Mokopa: 10km.
Seeker: Modular.

Mokopa >

Rooivalk: In service, operational and combat tested.

T-129: Limited service and untested.

Henry120:


"The one you keep running to the sea bed, or the one your sailors can't properly connect it's fuse?"....... Definitely not bothered.

which happen everywhere?

The Russians, Indians and Australians have had nastier accidents try challenge them!

Dinner for submarines!

Henry120:


It shows how efficient it is. The Nigerian Navy got a state of the art High endurance cutter for free.

Efficiency, prudence with resources, effective.

For free?

Prove please!

Nigeria could've bought OPVs with the money spent on those old cutters! Some admirals can't wait to retire to "eat his cutter money".

Henry120:


Apparently not as much as your generals and defence ministry officials got buying fighter jets you are too mentally handicapped to fly.


“South Africa acquired three submarines that spend most of the time on the ‘hard’ at Simon’s Town and 50 BAE Hawk and BAE/Saab Gripen fighter aircraft for which the country had almost no pilots to fly them, mechanics to maintain them, or even the money to fuel them.




(Mail & Guardian [Johannesburg], April 21, 2012). Without money to operate sophisticated equipment, skilled staff continue to flee at the end of their enlistment and there is little opportunity for new recruits to train in skills useful in the civilian world. Parliament's Joint Standing Committee on Defense has described abuse of women in the SANDF as "common," adding that many female recruits have been impregnated by their instructors (BUAnews, November 26, 2011).


You are apparently good at impregnating female recruits. Good for you!!

So?

The defence procurement system delivered better deals and operational required equipment.

jln115:

Remember when 1 SAN sub sunk an entire Nato fleet? Just imagine what it would do to the NN

Brazil, Uruguay, Argentina, South Africa and NATO ships have been sunk.

The only navy in sub-saharan Africa with exercise experience in nuclear vs diesel submarine drills.

Henry120:


Like Augaugust stated, the Turks evaluated both, and they come to the absolute conclusion that the T-129 far out-classes the Half-french. Hence the half-french was roundly rejected, which lead to the closure of it's production line with only 12 units built and 10 in active service anywhere in the world.

For the umpteenth time

Rooivalk was not chosen by the Turks as it used french components

Turks have an embargo on the french

MikeCZAR:
Sensors, computers and softwares can easily be upgraded.

Let's talk about flying characteristics and hardware.

Hellfire: 8km.
Seeker: Modular.
Mokopa: 10km.
Seeker: Modular.

Mokopa >

Rooivalk: In service, operational and combat tested.

T-129: Limited service and untested.

No it can't be upgraded, you need the technical know-how and no country would give you that for you to integrate on your platform and compete with them for potential buyers.

Secondly T-129 is based on the well tested Mangusta. So, your point on untested is baseless.

Thirdly, you don't have Mokopa in service, hence no proven use. unlike the Hellfire used almost weekly to takeout terrorists with proven accuracy.

Fourthly, your bush war relic Rooivalk having a higher service ceiling makes no difference in actual combat for an helicopter vs helicopter engagement. Reason is that most air to air missiles have a higher range than the general service ceiling of most helicopters.

Fifth, you urgently need more platforms before you can even engage the NAF in an Helicopter vs helicopter warfare.
SAAF: 8 or 10 AH
NAF: 50 AH excluding the T129

Sixth, for the CAS to be mentioning the name of a platform in Nigeria, it means the deal is 80% certain. The Nigerian military brass are that thorough and discreet about procurements. And not only did he mention it, he spoke about the broader scope of integration, this is not some "project Biro" comedy show. **no offence

Apache AH-64: 4 hard points
Rooivalk: 6 hard points

Does that make the Rooivalk better? Hell no

xwolverine:
Apache AH-64: 4 hard points
Rooivalk: 6 hard points

Does that make the Rooivalk better? Hell no

The Rooivalk has been better than the Apache since day one!

Only sensors, avionics and computers make the Apache better!

But as a hardware it doesn't match the South African bird!

xwolverine:


T-129: advanced millimetre wave radar (MILDAR), similar to the Longbow and the IAI/ELTA radars.
Rooivalk: Doppler radar and GPS ( obsolete piece of junk)

T-129: AGM-114 Hellfire missiles (the best in the world even the Reaper drones and advanced American systems use it)
Rooivalk: Mokopa missile ( sounds like makossa no offence) **mokopa isn't in service with the SAAF**

Yeah, MILDAR is an advantage - no denying that.

Mokopa is better than the AGM-114 - more penetration, longer range and is significantly faster (530m/s v the AGM-114's 450m/s)

Both Mokopa and AGM-114 use the same seeker

Mokopa is in service

Henry120:


"The one you keep running to the sea bed, or the one your sailors can't properly connect it's fuse?"....... Definitely not bothered.

The one that sank an entire NATO task force?

You should be bothered.

Henry120:


It shows how efficient it is. The Nigerian Navy got a state of the art High endurance cutter for free.

Efficiency, prudence with resources, effective.

Nigerian navy got an 50 year old cutter

Because it is worthless.

Henry120:


Apparently not as much as your generals and defence ministry officials got buying fighter jets you are too mentally handicapped to fly.


“South Africa acquired three submarines that spend most of the time on the ‘hard’ at Simon’s Town and 50 BAE Hawk and BAE/Saab Gripen fighter aircraft for which the country had almost no pilots to fly them, mechanics to maintain them, or even the money to fuel them.




(Mail & Guardian [Johannesburg], April 21, 2012). Without money to operate sophisticated equipment, skilled staff continue to flee at the end of their enlistment and there is little opportunity for new recruits to train in skills useful in the civilian world. Parliament's Joint Standing Committee on Defense has described abuse of women in the SANDF as "common," adding that many female recruits have been impregnated by their instructors (BUAnews, November 26, 2011).


You are apparently good at impregnating female recruits. Good for you!!

Ancient source, disprove many times.

52 Hawks air-crew (more than 2 per plane) and 18 Gripen aircrew (14 Gripen operational), 22 000 flight hours budgeted for, Submarines are currently extensively used with multiple operations having been conducted this year (3 Major international operations) and with more next year

Its not 2012 anymore buddy.

Anyway - here is the status of your fleet!! 90% of your fleet has been on "the hard" for allmost a decade!! Your FLAGSHIP has not put to sea in oer 5 years!!
Your navy is a paper tiger!!

Pathetic coast gaurd

NOP = NON OPERATIONAL

Henry120:


What country can only raise 9 pilots after 16years of signing the contract for 26 Gripens?


The only thing your Subs have demonstrated is, the ability to hit the sea bed at lightning speeds.

9 Pilots for 26 Planes is operational requirements..... LOL!!

14 Gripen operational = 53% operational status

Last Gripen delivered in 2011/2012

Gripen is not yet full operational - weapons system intergration is ongoing.

14 Gripen is enough to destroy any airforce in the region. Why waste money rushing to put them all in service? We can afford to take our time and do it properly. You have less than 11 F-7's... that meets your operational requirements no?

The submarines sunk an entire NATO task force and constantly are involved in high-intensity training operations with the likes of Germany, India, Brazil, France and the United States.

Henry120:


26 new Swedish-built Gripen fighter-jets, purchased at a cost of R10 billion (approximately $1 billion), average only two hours in the air each week; not enough to keep the machines in operable condition and far from the 10 hours of flight-time each week considered necessary to keep pilots well-trained

Former SAAF chief Lieutenant General Carlo Gagiano retired in 2012 after trying to resign in late 2011 during his hospitalization for stress as he continued to try unsuccessfully to find enough money for the fuel and maintenance to keep the SAAF in the air


Pathetic bunch of losers!!!

Outdated and incomplete information

Gripen flew over 800 hours in 2011/2012

22 000 flight hours budgeted for last year alone and 18 000 flown. SAAF is in a condition you could only dream of.

MikeCZAR:
Says the men who supports his country acquiring systems from companies who offer complete or total solutions and aren't the OEM(Original equipment manufacture).

Meaning the possibilities of them supporting the systems you acquire throughout their service life is low and unlikely.

What companies ?

patches689:


Yeah, MILDAR is an advantage - no denying that.

Mokopa is better than the AGM-114 - more penetration, longer range and is significantly faster (530m/s v the AGM-114's 450m/s)

Both Mokopa and AGM-114 use the same seeker

Mokopa is in service

R3tard does are duds. You have no mopoka in service.

Henry120:


R3tard does are duds. You have no mopoka in service.

Who says they are duds?

Why would the SANDF show off equipment it does not have?

You allways want pictures - now you have them. 100% indisputable proof that the SAAF has the Mokopa

hahahaha - armata is sooo sh1t

One in the IFV configuration breaks down during victory parade

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZN5MostQgQ

Anothers transmission spazzes out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Inow4OLItI

Another T-14 breaks down (also during the parade) and the Russians dont have an engineering vehical that can actually tow it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeJzuo2TsfM



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YDCyRT7Luo

See Henry we fvcking told you - wait until more information is available before proclaiming it "the best tank in the world"

So far it has been in the public eye for just one day and allready we see that it has an unreliable engine, some form of transmission issues and its powerplant as a whole is insufficient for the vehical.

Yet again - like when you accused SAN of shooting at fishermen - you have egg on your face

patches689:



Ancient source, disprove many times.

52 Hawks air-crew (more than 2 per plane) and 18 Gripen aircrew (14 Gripen operational), 22 000 flight hours budgeted for, Submarines are currently extensively used with multiple operations having been conducted this year (3 Major international operations) and with more next year

Its not 2012 anymore buddy.

Anyway - here is the status of your fleet!! 90% of your fleet has been on "the hard" for allmost a decade!! Your FLAGSHIP has not put to sea in oer 5 years!!
Your navy is a paper tiger!!

Pathetic coast gaurd

NOP = NON OPERATIONAL

Additionally, Jibrin said, six NN ships including NNS Ayam, Barama, Brass, Ekun, Ogue and Yola are currently undergoing refit at the NN Dockyard, Lagos.

The Naval Chief expressed Navy's confident that its local refit efforts will contribute to NN capacity to patrol the nation's vast maritime environment.

"It is worth mentioning that the Nigerian Navy has just signed an agreement with PRIVINVEST, a ship building company in the United Arab Emirates to come to Nigeria and partner with us, so that we can upgrade the Naval Dockyard Lagos in order to begin local construction of capital ships which will meet international standard", he disclosed




Nigerian navy corvette at Exercise African winds 2013

patches689:
hahahaha - armata is sooo sh1t

One in the IFV configuration breaks down during victory parade

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZN5MostQgQ

Anothers transmission spazzes out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Inow4OLItI

Another T-14 breaks down (also during the parade) and the Russians dont have an engineering vehical that can actually tow it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeJzuo2TsfM



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YDCyRT7Luo

See Henry we fvcking told you - wait until more information is available before proclaiming it "the best tank in the world"

So far it has been in the public eye for just one day and allready we see that it has an unreliable engine, some form of transmission issues and its powerplant as a whole is insufficient for the vehical.

Yet again - like when you accused SAN of shooting at fishermen - you have egg on your face

Did your poorly trained men not mortar that poor lady?


T-14 breaking down....... so? It is still the best MBT produced yet.

patches689:

Mokopa is in service

yeah. in service as a dud on display - what do you want to shoot with a dud?

stillchris:


yeah. in service as a dud on display - what do you want to shoot with a dud?

dont tell me you dont know that the mokopa missile is a modernized guinea fowl hunting projectile....surely you can shoot down a few guinea fowls with the antiquated dud.