agaugust:


Rooivalk has 4 hardpoints, the 2 wing tips are only for 2 air to air missiles which helicopters hardly ever use, SAAF does not have such missiles.

T-129 uses multiple racks on it's 4 hardpoints and it has missile pods for multiple many air to air missiles and extra gun pods, meaning the T-129 actually uses those 4 hardpoints to carry more weapons, missiles and guns than the Rooivalk. You see what we have been saying? Rooivalk is an obsolete design, a 1980s old war concept helicopter
.

Wait what?

A helicopter with a smaller payload, and less hard-points can carry more weapons?

Citation fvcking needed

agaugust:


Naa !

T-72 Tanks will use smoke dispensers to neutralize the laser guidance systems of all SANDF Ingwe anti-tank missiles.

Palmaria SPHA in direct fire mode will eat up all Ratel Ingwe launchers from 7 km away.

What anti-tank hunter teams do you have? Nigerian army infantry will be eating up your manpower shortage ridden troops, we have an army 3 times bigger, your tank hunters will be busy trying to survive after we surround your army completely in a circle, your ATGM won't even see the turret of a T-72, you won't get so close when your army is already encircles and gasping for breath....ZERO war experienced SANDF
.

Such nonsense.

Your T-72's have no laser warning - they will only know to deploy smoke once the firs wave of Milan2's and Ingwe ATGM's tare into your formation.

Your plameria will be annihalated by long range counter-battery fire from the Valkiri as well as G6

Rooivalk will be using the Mokopa on your flanks

Gripen and Hawks will be dropping PGM's

Your army has no mobility - how will you surround us?

Your pathetic army had to hire us South Africans to defeat rag-tag boko haram... and you think you can defeat us? hahaha!! We are your educators!!

agaugust:


How many times have you guys posted DENEL weapons that are still inside laboratory test phase here?

Plus project Biro OPV that has no name

Nigeria is currently buying aircraft and armour, it's public knowledge, NAF has chosen T-129 Ataka !
.

Nigeria is buying nothing

You are broke

Government has to borrow money to pay peoples wages.

You have no more money

And your pathetic $2 billion budget cannot afford any A129s!!

agaugust:


Submarine that cannot do real combat, SAN is just a photo piece
.

Ask the NATO taskforce that got "sunk"

agaugust:


Your SAN sank NATO fleet? In which war? Falklands war?

SAN has NEVER fired torpedo in war since 60 years ago. You think war game is real war? You fire one torpedo on NATO fleet and they reply you with twenty
.

Ok, what will YOUR fleet do?

We are talking about SAN v NN

NATO is just an example of the fact that our submarines are very combat effective.

NN doesnt stand a chance - you said so on Beegugugugs blog!!

agaugust:


Old photos mate.

Today, Southie navy has ONLY ONE frigate and ONLY ONE submarine in operational. The rest are dead as cooked fish.

Over 50 years old, NNS Thunder is busy sailing around the continent and saving Africa from piracy while South African navy sits down at home redundant and lazy.

SANDF boasted it will patrol the whole Gulf Of Guinea this year and reach Nigerian waters, but almost 6 months into 2015 we have not even seen a South African canoe patrol up to Angola.

When we were wasting time debating that SAN gulf of Guinea patrol plan 2015 last year, I told @Patches it was a dream that will melt away like the candles you guys burn every night due to ESKOM's new rule of total darkness for all South Africans.

How can SAN use one frigate, one submarine, low fuel, to guard South Africa's massive U-shaped coastline of 3,000+ km and still patrol up to Ghana with same one warship, a frigate with delicate engine, not an endurance OPV....

Your South African military is a dwarf climbing ladder to play basketball !
.

Except, as recent operations have shown, 2 frigates are fully operational with a 3rd in reserve and a 4th in re-fit and 2 subs are conducting operations while the 3rd is being used for training.

All 4 SAN frigates and all 3 submarines are operational.

We also have a smaller fleet of OPV's.

Patrols of your coast are coming, just wait, we are busy. m

agaugust:


Rooivalk sale/order : 12 units in 25 years

T-129 sales/order : 60 units in 5 years
.

Rooivalk: Combat tested, 12 built
T-129: No combat, 9 built

What were you saying?

agaugust:


Oh, you mean the whole military of Turkey was so illiterate that they did not know that Rooivalk had French engine since the news came out 20 years ago? So Turkey started evaluation before they asked...."Who makes the engine for this Rooivalk" ?

You are a biiiiig fooooool Patrick

Rooivalk was evaluated and Turkey found it obsolete, they dumped your fat turkey chopper
.

Again,

Rooivalk was not chosen as it contained French components and Turkey has an embargo on French military products.

I dont care about your opinion, these are the facts.

agaugust:


I don't fall for western propaganda, many NATO equipment fail during early life.

It's a new tank. T-14 is still being tested for service and perfected . F-35 jet is an American equipment that has displayed many years of failure in it's most important role....stealth
.

1. Nope - T-14 and armata chassis has been adopted by the Russians. This is their final product
2. F-35's main role has never been and will never be stealth.

agaugust:


Dud rubber made Mokopa missiles display for DENEL marketing promo show, desperately looking for customers for a 'great' missile with 'super long range' that the world has chosen to ignore....FAIL !
.

1. Its an SANDF display at a public fun-fair
2. You say it is a dud - prove it
3. Mokopa has been sold to Algeria - the only fail here is your research

Again, you have done no research and again you humiliate yourself

agaugust:


The Ancient source is actually yours, see now, dummy you posted Nigerian navy fleet operational year 2009

Today 2012, NNS Enyimiri missile corvette is fully operational, Henry has posted the photo yesterday as the ship took part in current multinational sea exercise.

Yes, Nigerian navy has missile warship in operation today 2015
.

[citations please]

A ship tied up in harbor is not operational.

Show us the NN at sea!!

Nigerian Navy is NOP

agaugust:




Dundee, you are posting year 2009 data in 2015

Even defenceweb says all your data is wrong and out-dated....mumu

"Vice Admiral Dele J Ezeoba, Chief of Naval Staff, said that on assuming office in October 2012, he was committed to repositioning the Nigerian Navy, the Navy is also refitting the NNS Ekun fast attack craft, NNS Ohue and NNS Barama minesweepers and will soon refit the NNS Yola and NNS Brass patrol craft. In addition, three inshore patrol craft will be reactivated.

Medium term goals include the acquisition of the ex-US Coast Guard cutter USCGC Gallatin, the completion and commissioning of the first Chinese-built OPV and domestic assembly of the second Chinese OPV, commissioning of the second domestic Seaward Defence Boat, completion of the refit of NNS Brass and NNS Yola and the refit of the frigate NNS Aradu, the fast attack craft NNS Siri, Ayam and Damisa. The refit of the fast patrol boat NNS Ekpe, Ekun and minesweepers NNS Ohue and NNS Barama are also expected to be completed in this period.
"
Written by Guy Martin, Monday, 02 December 2013, Defenceweb.

I recommend you go for weekly brain scan Patches
.

That says nothing about them being operational.

Aradu has been in "refit" since 2010... not a day at sea!!

Show us the operational status of the Nigerian NAVY

Nigerian Navy = NOP

Fact

agaugust:
.
[size=20pt]Nigeria-NAF To Buy Africa's Most Modern Attack Helicopter ![/size]
.

[size=20pt]With what money?? Your government is broke!![/size]

patches689:


Again,

Rooivalk was not chosen as it contained French components and Turkey has an embargo on French military products.

I dont care about your opinion, these are the facts.

So, you guy's have graduated from blaming America to blaming the turks...... that's an improvement.

patches689:


[size=20pt]With what money?? Your government is broke!![/size]

See change of tactics!..I thought you claimed that the T129 ATAK-H wasnt worth mentioning?

patches689:


Who says we have no money? SANDF has a bigger budget than your military.

SANDF is in the process of buying a plethora of equipment... a-darters, CRAM, heavyweight torpedoes, OPV's and IPV's and 236 IFV's

We have money

On the other hand - nigeria is so broke that you have to borrow money to pay peoples wages.

So, I ask again, who says they are duds?

You asked for a picture of the Mokopa in SAAF use... here it is:

[b] Defense budget N968.127 billion that's $6 billion
likely to go up
Read:

Finance minister on defence
spendings
Abuja – The Minister of Finance,
Dr Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala, on
Friday said the Federal
Government disbursed N130.7
billion to the defence sector from
January to April.
Okonjo-Iweala made this known
while briefing newsmen during
breakdown of the 2014 budget
signed by the President
Goodluck Jonathan in Abuja.
She said: “Defence spending is
top in everything; you know that
military establishment need new
things to assist them in their
work and ours will not be
different.
“No budget will be enough to
meet their demands but for now,
I think the sector takes almost a
trillion of the budgets.
“To be specific, they have about
N968.127 billion and we have
disbursed N130.7 billion
between January and April
2014,’’ she said
The minister explained that
N85.9billion out of the amount
disbursed was for personnel
cost, saying that the military
paid its personnel because it
was yet to be integrated into the
IPPIS.
Okonjo-Iweala said that N3.8
billion approved by the President
was being processed and would
soon be released, adding that
there were other additional
spending. [/b]

http://
www.vanguardngr.com/2014/05
/fg-disburses-n130-7bn-to-
defence-sector-in-4-months-
okonjo-iweala/



This says it all, your Airforce chief fell into a deep depression begging for money.

the Review unequivocally acknowledges that the SANDF is in a “critical state of decline”. It lists a host of serious problems and crises:

The escalating costs associated with the purchase, use and maintenance of the 1990s arms deal programme has resulted in a majority of the fighter planes, helicopters, training jets and naval vessels purchased being mothballed. Those that are in use suffer from chronic under-use and a lack of technical/ maintenance personnel and trained pilots.

Spares, general equipment, ammunition stocks and fuel reserves are “generally depleted”. One instructive example of the resultant impact is that South Africa now has “little airspace or maritime domain awareness” (read: the SANDF can hardly track who and what is in South African airspace and waters)


Patrick, no matter how much you try, you cannot explode a dud, this i can assure you.

patches689:


[size=20pt]With what money?? Your government is broke!![/size]

Nigerian Air force on a spending Spree.

Russia = 12 MI-35m(half are part of a previous order) and 12 MI-17 terminator1sh

Ukraine = 4 MI-24v and 4 MI-17 Helicopters

Belarus = 12 MI-35p attack Helicopters

France or Serbia = 8 Gazelle LUH

Turkey = at-least 6 T-129

America = 6 beechraft king air ( 3 of them surveillance)

America = 6 Up-graded Alpha jets

Unknown country = weaponised Super- Puma Helicopters the Review unequivocally acknowledges that the SANDF is in a “critical state of decline”. It lists a host of serious problems and crises:

patches689:


Rooivalk: Combat tested, 12 built
T-129: No combat, 9 built

What were you saying?

Half-french : 10 in service, roundly rejected, production line ended.

A/T -129 : over 69 built combat tested since the 1990's, and currently been used by the turks in combating PKK rebels.


Rooivalk, an absolute piece of junk, T-129 super Advanced Helicopter, currently been procured as the spear for Nigerian Airforce Network Enabled Combat Capability program.

The uselessness of the SANDF captured in video. SANDF troops deployed to South-African reserves are more interested in watching football, than protecting the wildlife they are sent there to do.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OI59oPLaMa8&sns=em

Henry120:
The uselessness of the SANDF captured in video. SANDF troops deployed to South-African reserves are more interested in watching football, than protecting the wildlife they are sent there to do.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OI59oPLaMa8&sns=em

And yet if you watch the video it is clear that the argument is over whether or not the soldiers are allowed to use the Rangers facilities.

Your propaganda is shameless.

Henry120:


So, you guy's have graduated from blaming America to blaming the turks...... that's an improvement.

Blaming America?

Nope, the brits used the Rooivalk as a bargaining chip to get cheaper Apache's

Turks didnt buy the Rooivalk because it has french components.

These are the facts. Not my problem if they dont suit you.

Henry120:


[b] Defense budget N968.127 billion that's $6 billion
likely to go up
Read:

Finance minister on defence
spendings
Abuja – The Minister of Finance,
Dr Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala, on
Friday said the Federal
Government disbursed N130.7
billion to the defence sector from
January to April.
Okonjo-Iweala made this known
while briefing newsmen during
breakdown of the 2014 budget
signed by the President
Goodluck Jonathan in Abuja.
She said: “Defence spending is
top in everything; you know that
military establishment need new
things to assist them in their
work and ours will not be
different.
“No budget will be enough to
meet their demands but for now,
I think the sector takes almost a
trillion of the budgets.
“To be specific, they have about
N968.127 billion and we have
disbursed N130.7 billion
between January and April
2014,’’ she said
The minister explained that
N85.9billion out of the amount
disbursed was for personnel
cost, saying that the military
paid its personnel because it
was yet to be integrated into the
IPPIS.
Okonjo-Iweala said that N3.8
billion approved by the President
was being processed and would
soon be released, adding that
there were other additional
spending. [/b]

http://
www.vanguardngr.com/2014/05
/fg-disburses-n130-7bn-to-
defence-sector-in-4-months-
okonjo-iweala/



This says it all, your Airforce chief fell into a deep depression begging for money.

the Review unequivocally acknowledges that the SANDF is in a “critical state of decline”. It lists a host of serious problems and crises:

The escalating costs associated with the purchase, use and maintenance of the 1990s arms deal programme has resulted in a majority of the fighter planes, helicopters, training jets and naval vessels purchased being mothballed. Those that are in use suffer from chronic under-use and a lack of technical/ maintenance personnel and trained pilots.

Spares, general equipment, ammunition stocks and fuel reserves are “generally depleted”. One instructive example of the resultant impact is that South Africa now has “little airspace or maritime domain awareness” (read: the SANDF can hardly track who and what is in South African airspace and waters)


Patrick, no matter how much you try, you cannot explode a dud, this i can assure you.

And yet, according to SIPRI your military budget is just over $2 billion.

And according to the same source, our military budget is just short of $4 billion.

Posting ancient stories about the difficulties the SANDF is facing proves nothing. Frigates and subs are being fully utiliized, Gripen are at 56% usage (in line with operational requirements) while the Hawks are fully utilized (we have a surplus of Hawks aircrew) and the acquisition of a plethora of new equipment continues (GBADs, VSHORAD, OPV's, IPV's, IFV's, ISTAR equipment, upgrades to the Rookat, G6, G5, reconditioning of SAMIL's, new heavyweight torpedoes etc)

SANDF's budget is allmost twice yours - so if you want to say we are broke, then the implication is that you are beggars. Which is not hard to beleive considering that your governemnt cannot afford to pay its peoples wages

You have no money, fact

Now, again I ask, how do you know they are duds?

Henry120:


Nigerian Air force on a spending Spree.

Russia = 12 MI-35m(half are part of a previous order) and 12 MI-17 terminator1sh

Ukraine = 4 MI-24v and 4 MI-17 Helicopters

Belarus = 12 MI-35p attack Helicopters

France or Serbia = 8 Gazelle LUH

Turkey = at-least 6 T-129

America = 6 beechraft king air ( 3 of them surveillance)

America = 6 Up-graded Alpha jets

Unknown country = weaponised Super- Puma Helicopters the Review unequivocally acknowledges that the SANDF is in a “critical state of decline”. It lists a host of serious problems and crises:

Ancient helicopters and tanks bought under a LOAN before the oil crisis!!

Your government is now broke - oil prices have crashed - you have no more money, you need to borrow just to pay wages!!

SANDF is in difficulties - BUT IS STILL MORE CAPABLE THAN THE NIGERIAN MILITARY

Get it into your head, our standards are higher than yours, our "state of decline" is a level of proficiancy that Nigerian can never nor has ever acheived.

Also, your numbers are heavily inflated. 2 or beechking (for VIP Transport), 2-3 Alpha jet, 1-2 Gazelle etc

Same old same old from the resident clown.

Nigerian Army dismisses 203 soldiers after secret night trial


The Nigerian Army has dismissed 203 soldiers after a secret court martial held in the dead of the night, for allegedly disobeying a direct order from their commanding officer, PREMIUM TIMES has learnt.

One of the sacked soldiers, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the soldiers were dismissed for asking for support equipment, following the army’s plan to convey them in a tipper for an operation in Bama and Gwoza, two strongholds of Boko Haram insurgents.

The soldier, who is originally of the 19th Battalion in Okitipupa in Ondo State, but attached to the 7th division in Maiduguri, said the army detained them for over 90 days before dismissing them after a midnight trial. He said they are owed up to five months in unpaid salaries.

Narrating the event that led to their dismissal, the soldier said his unit reconvened in Maiduguri last August, after they were dislodged by the insurgents in Damboa in an operation where their commanding officer and several other soldiers were killed.

He said they were given two weeks pass and that at the expiration of their pass, they were issued new uniforms, boots and 30 rounds of bullets each as opposed to the statutory 60 rounds. And were going to be conveyed in a tipper lorry to Gwoza and Bama for an operation.

He said having engaged the insurgents in several past battles, majority of the soldiers argued that the operation would be fierce, and therefore requested support equipment.

“So we asked for support weapons. No support weapon was provided. Our CO (Commanding Officer) said he would discuss with the GOC (General Officer Commanding) of the 7 Division at the headquarters. When he came back, he said we should stand down. We thought all was well,” our source said.

But the request made by the soldiers fetched them more than they bargained for.

The next day their new CO, Mohammed A, a lieutenant colonel from 195 battalion, Agenebode, ordered them to submit their weapons and uniforms or be charged with mutiny.

“On the morning of 16 of August, after the GOC briefing, our commander started calling our names and he said anyone whose name is called should submit their uniform and weapon. He added that anyone who failed to do that would be charged for mutiny. We were surprised at what was happening.

“He started from the most senior soldier among us, a warrant officer who had served for almost 30 years. They asked us to go back to the barrack. It is a war zone and our weapons had been taken from us. Staying around was of no use so we left Maiduguri back home.”

The next order from the army hierarchy was for the soldiers to report to the 4th Brigade headquarters in Benin where they were detained for three months.

“They kept us in the fenced field at the officers’ mess in 4th battalion headquarters. When we first arrived at Benin they took statements from us and took it to Maiduguri. The original charge against us was for deserting but after our statements were taken they changed the charge to disobedient to particular order. They said we disobeyed the CO’s order. They seized our phones, we couldn’t communicate with our families for the 90 days we were kept in detention,” our source said.

After they were released on December 24, they were conveyed to their various units. The soldier said on getting to their units, a court martial was set up at about 11.30 p.m. where they were tried and dismissed. He said the next morning, they were evicted from the barrack with their families.

“It was dismissal without benefits. After 17 years in service. Even people that served for 30 years were dismissed without benefits. We had no legal representation.”

Army spokesperson, Olajide Laleye, a Brigadier General, could not be reached for comments on Thursday. Calls and messages to his telephone were not answered or returned.

The dismissal of the 203 soldiers followed a wave of court-martialling of other soldiers for mutiny and other offences.

On December 24, a military court-martial that sat in Abuja sentenced four soldiers to death by firing squad for alleged mutiny.

That judgment came just about a week after another batch of 54 soldiers were condemned to death for refusing to fight the deadly Boko Haram sect.

The 54 soldiers belonged to the 111 Special Forces battalion attached to the 7 division of the army in Maiduguri. They are to die by firing squad, the military court ruled.

The soldiers were accused of disobeying a direct order from superior officers to take part in an operation aimed at dislodging Boko Haram terrorists from Delwa, Bulabulin and Damboa in Borno State.

The soldiers said they refused to take part in the operation because the Army did not provide them with the required combat and support equipment needed for such operations.

Earlier, in September, 12 soldiers were sentenced to death for allegedly shooting at a car conveying their commanding officer, Ahmed Mohammed, a Major General.

The attack occurred May 14 at the army’s 7 Division, Maimalari Barracks in Maiduguri, headed at the time by Mr. Mohammed.

Others were also sentenced to life in jail for criminal conspiracy and attempt to commit murder.

The soldiers revolted after some of their colleagues were ambushed and killed by Boko Haram extremists, an attack they blamed their commander for.

Yet, more soldiers remain on trial for their conducts in the fight against the extremist sect, and face being sentenced to death.

On December 23, another batch of 118 soldiers were transported from Maiduguri, the Borno State capital, to face charges in Abuja, the nation’s capital.

It is not clear when the troops would be arraigned before the military court, but our sources said unlike their colleagues who were convicted December 17, the 118 soldiers are accused of offences less than mutiny.

Also, 22 top officers, including a brigadier general, are being held at the Ikeja Military Cantonment in Lagos, preparatory to being arraigned for yet unclear offences.

They could not be arraigned on December 22 because the court was not properly constituted.

Their arraignment has now been scheduled for a date in January.

The convicted soldiers, apart from the four that were sentenced December 24, have been moved to Lagos to await appeal, pardon or execution

http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/174094-nigerian-army-dismisses-203-soldiers-secret-night-trial.html


Shooting at your own General...thats a low..

ViceAdmiral:
Nigerian Army dismisses 203 soldiers after secret night trial


The Nigerian Army has dismissed 203 soldiers after a secret court martial held in the dead of the night, for allegedly disobeying a direct order from their commanding officer, PREMIUM TIMES has learnt.

One of the sacked soldiers, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the soldiers were dismissed for asking for support equipment, following the army’s plan to convey them in a tipper for an operation in Bama and Gwoza, two strongholds of Boko Haram insurgents.

The soldier, who is originally of the 19th Battalion in Okitipupa in Ondo State, but attached to the 7th division in Maiduguri, said the army detained them for over 90 days before dismissing them after a midnight trial. He said they are owed up to five months in unpaid salaries.


He said they were given two weeks pass and that at the expiration of their pass, they were issued new uniforms, boots and 30 rounds of bullets each as opposed to the statutory 60 rounds. And were going to be conveyed in a [size=15pt]tipper lorry[/size] to Gwoza and Bama for an operation.


“So we asked for support weapons. No support weapon was provided. Our CO (Commanding Officer) said he would discuss with the GOC (General Officer Commanding) of the 7 Division at the headquarters. When he came back, he said we should stand down. We thought all was well,” our source said.

But the request made by the soldiers fetched them more than they bargained for.


On December 24, a military court-martial that sat in Abuja sentenced four soldiers to death by firing squad for alleged mutiny.

That judgment came just about a week after another batch of 54 soldiers were condemned to death for refusing to fight the deadly Boko Haram sect.

The 54 soldiers belonged to the 111 Special Forces battalion attached to the 7 division of the army in Maiduguri. They are to die by firing squad, the military court ruled.


The soldiers said they refused to take part in the operation because the Army did not provide them with the required combat and support equipment needed for such operations.

Earlier, in September, 12 soldiers were sentenced to death for allegedly shooting at a car conveying their commanding officer, Ahmed Mohammed, a Major General.


http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/174094-nigerian-army-dismisses-203-soldiers-secret-night-trial.html

HAHAHAHAHA

@Henry120

Proof of what I was saying.

You are broke!!! You cannot even pay soldiers wages!!!

Your men are terribly equipped!!

No support weapons can be provided!! Men are issued one magazines worth of ammunition!! Transported in civilian construction vehicals!!

ELITE SPECIAL FORCES TROOPS REFUSE TO FIGHT!!!

You see, our standards are higher than yours we have a crisis in the military - but if it were Nigeria you would be extatic with the state of your army!!

Pathetic rebel worthy army!!

(Actually, you are not worthy of rebels)

agaugust:


Submarine that cannot do real combat, SAN is just a photo piece
.

you should wonder why a country like south africa will suffer itself acquiring submarines and other expensive items it doesn't have the infrastructure and personnel to handle.

She suffers from chronic inferiority complex and under achievement.

after the collapse of apartheid, zulu and co are still leaving in the hype of white anglo-dutch south africa instead of rebuilding and being honest with themselves. they want to be seen as africa's first power run by a bunch of Bantus and Tswanas.


today Africa is laughing and anglo-dutch is jeering.

incompetence has now eaten S.A military.

but the good thing is they are still pretending everything is fine.

it will take another 50 years to own up and another 40 to start real planning.

lezz:
you should wonder why a country like south africa will suffer itself acquiring submarines and other expensive items it doesn't have the infrastructure and personnel to handle.

She suffers from chronic inferiority complex and under achievement.

[s]after the collapse of apartheid, zulu and co are still leaving in the hype of white anglo-dutch south africa instead of rebuilding and being honest with themselves. they want to be seen as africa's first power run by a bunch of Bantus and Tswanas.


today Africa is laughing and anglo-dutch is jeering.

incompetence has now eaten S.A military.

but the good thing is they are still pretending everything is fine.

it will take another 50 years to own up and another 40 to start real planning.
[/s]

And the irony is that we operate them just fine.

Ask the NATO taskforce we sunk about our subs.

Ask the Swedes and Czech about our Gripen pilots.

Go ask the M23 about our troops.

Go dig up the mass grave outside bangui containing the bodies of over 400 seleka men we slayed and see if they have criticism for us.

Go ask Lestho how it feels to be completely taken over in less than 12 hours.

You hire South Africans to win your wars for you.

The only inferiority complex here is you - your jealousy over our capabilities is well apparent.

agaugust:


Am I the one making the claim? You said Sudan manufactures missiles, so the burden of proof is on you, go ahead, show us proof now
.

You don't know Mr Military researcher?

agaugust:


Who told you that air forces carry full scale air traffic control radars to FAB ? Air bases with hundreds of combat aircraft have been operating successfully without air traffic control radar since world war I in 1918.

Most air forces in the world will operate an FOB without long range radar.

F-7NI is all weather day/night fighter, even old MiG-21 was doing night combat in Indo-Paki wars.

Military air forces don't need air traffic control radar to operate an FOB of 2 squadron aircraft, unless they are dummies like SAAF whose Southie brains need computers for basic arithmetic.

If South Africa has a big war with 5 forward air bases, do you have 5 mobile radars? The same radars you are claiming for SAAF are the very same mobile radars that belong to SADF army regiments, so when you donate those 3 or 5 radars to air bases, what radar will warn/safeguard your army on 5 different war fronts against enemy air attack?

You like to talk like if SANDF is tall, but it's feeble legs are very short
.

You'll need a mobile command and control centre.

In a contested air space your jets will blown on the ground if you don't what's coming and lurking in your area.

agaugust:


T-129 is an attack helicopter, and it's recce/combat.

It has superior fling endurance than Mi-28, Rooivalk, or Apache.

T-129 can do recce for hours to find target and then attack. Those bigger helicopters would have run out of fuel on patrol
.

Light scout type of a helicopter.

The Rooivalk has a longer range.

agaugust:


Rooivalk has 4 hardpoints, the 2 wing tips are only for 2 air to air missiles which helicopters hardly ever use, SAAF does not have such missiles.

T-129 uses multiple racks on it's 4 hardpoints and it has missile pods for multiple many air to air missiles and extra gun pods, meaning the T-129 actually uses those 4 hardpoints to carry more weapons, missiles and guns than the Rooivalk. You see what we have been saying? Rooivalk is an obsolete design, a 1980s old war concept helicopter
.

No, it doesn't have wing tips!

6 hardpoints.

The Rooivalk can carry: 16 Guided missiles.
T129: 12!

The Nigerian military is so broken, its soldiers are refusing to fight

By Kevin Sieff May 10 at 3:30 AM

LAGOS, Nigeria — As the Nigerian military battled Boko Haram over the past year, scores of soldiers made a decision that would put their lives in grave danger — they refused to fight.
It wasn’t for lack of bravery, they said. It was for lack of weapons.

At least 66 of the soldiers have been found guilty of mutiny and sentenced to death by firing squad. Dozens more remain in detention, awaiting trial. The Nigerian government describes them as cowards. Their supporters say they are scapegoats.
“They joined the army to fight, not to commit suicide,” said Femi Falana, an attorney for 59 of the soldiers.

The cases have opened a rare window into the Nigerian military, once one of the strongest in Africa but now struggling to combat an insurgency of several thousand fighters. Rebuilding the army is a major challenge for Muhammadu Buhari, who assumes the presidency of Africa’s most populous nation this month.

Nigeria’s defense budget is over $6 billion — among the highest in sub-Saharan Africa — but experts say much of that is lost to corruption. Many low-level soldiers complain about not receiving their $100-per-month salary for weeks. The troops’ legal cases feature numerous allegations of poor and insufficient weaponry. Some soldiers say they were afraid to even leave the barracks, armed with as little as one rifle and two magazines.
The army doesn’t have a history of desertions. But as the military has escalated its fight against Boko Haram, the reported cases of mutiny have appeared to surge.

In the most prominent case, 54 soldiers from the 111th Special Forces Battalion were sentenced to death for mutiny after they refused to join an operation against the insurgents in August. A month earlier, the same unit had been ambushed, leaving 26 troops dead and 83 others injured. The soldiers then demanded better munitions to fight the rebels, who were armed with anti-aircraft guns and armored personnel carriers, said a court filing from Falana. Ironically, most of the rebels’ weapons appeared to come from Ni­ger­ian military bases they had overrun, according to the surviving troops.

The Special Forces unit had only 174 fighters in August, its commander said in court, rather than the approximately 750 soldiers that battalions are expected to have.
The commander didn’t say why there were so few soldiers. But many Nigerian units have fewer troops than commanders indicate on their payrolls, analysts say, allowing senior officers to take the so-called “ghost” salaries. That is one of several ways in which corruption has weakened the army.

“All this money the military has to purchase weapons is going to (Nigerian officials’) pockets,” said a military officer who is the brother of one of the soldiers who was convicted of mutiny. He spoke on the condition of anonymity to protect his own career.

Ni­ger­ian military officials deny that soldiers are inadequately armed. In the case of the 111th Special Forces Battalion, military officials called soldiers’ justification for not fighting a hollow excuse.

“The Nigerian army is not an organization with a trade union,” whose members can stop working “to protest poor wages or poor working conditions,” said Capt. J.E. Nwosu, the military prosecutor, in his closing remarks.

Experts fault tactical training

In the 1990s, the Nigerian military was hailed for its role in peacekeeping missions in Sierra Leone and Liberia. But after military rule in this country ended in 1999, experts say, the armed forces were kept weak to prevent them from attempting coups. The army currently has around 60,000 soldiers.

“Under-resourcing has gone on for years, and a decline in competence has come with it,” said James Hall,a former British military attache to Nigeria. “The government has been unable to recognize that the military has gone from something competent to something deeply incompetent.”

The quality of the Nigerians’ tactical training has declined, experts say. Human rights abuses appear to have increased in recent years, too, including allegations of extrajudicial executions and the destruction of property.

Even Boko Haram’s leader, Abubakar Shekau, has poked fun at the Ni­ger­ian military.

“You send 7,000 troops?” Shekau said in one video recording posted online this year. “This is small. Only 7,000? By Allah, it is small. We can seize them one by one.”

Troops from Nigeria, Chad and Niger have recently pushed the Boko Haram fighters out of a fiefdom in northern Nigeria that had grown to the size of Maryland. But experts say the rebels have gathered in a vast, remote forest and still pose a significant threat.

Some of the mutiny trials have revealed startling glimpses of soldiers’ anger at their superiors. In one high-profile case, 12 soldiers allegedly shot at their commanding officer after he ordered them to conduct a mission that they claimed was tantamount to suicide. The officer somehow was not injured, and the soldiers claim they intended to express their anger, not to commit murder. They, too, were sentenced to death.

“These are issues of indiscipline,” said Gen. Chris Olukolade, the military’s spokesman, “and they undermine the morale of the others.”

The army chief of staff must confirm all of the mutiny sentences before formal appeals can be filed.

It’s unclear what Buhari’s policy will be toward the soldiers in detention or those already sentenced. But one of his campaign managers, Chibuike Amaechi, appeared to take the soldiers’ side when the issue emerged before the presidential election in March.

“The soldiers have the right to protest for the federal government’s failure to fully equip them,” Amaechi said at a news conference in December.

Buhari, a former military dictator, has vowed to defeat Boko Haram. But analysts say it may not be easy to rebuild the institution he once led.

“Buhari’s supporters have to realize that the army that Buhari left is not the army of today, which is broken, ill-motivated and under-equipped,” said Moses E. Ochonu, an associate professor of African history at Vanderbilt University.

Some top military officers said that the announcement that prosecutors are seeking capital punishment for the mutineers has put an end to the practice of deserting.

“It spread like a virus until we enforced the law,” said one senior military officer who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the cases. “They were thinking they could get away with it.”

Nigerian officials say one of their greatest deficiencies in equipment is a product of a failed deal with the United States.

Last year, the Nigerian government tried to equip its military with Cobra attack helicopters, but the deal was halted by the United States. The Nigerian ambassador to Washington said that equipment “would have brought down the terrorists within a short time.”

State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said in November that the sale was canceled “due to concerns about Nigeria’s ability to use and maintain this type of helicopter . . . and ongoing concerns about the Nigerian military’s protection of civilians when conducting military operations.”

The U.S. government has also declined to share some intelligence with Nigerian security officials, due to concerns about Boko Haram infiltration.

Those disagreements appear to have led the Nigerian government to cancel a U.S. mission to train one of its Special Forces battalions last year.

At least one of the soldiers sentenced to death for mutiny was trained in Pakistan. But he told the court that the program involved weapons that the Ni­ger­ian soldiers wanted but never received, such as German submachine guns. It’s another example, according to the soldiers, of the army’s dysfunction.

“They have a crisis in the military,” said Falana, the attorney. “And they’re trying to use these boys to make a point.”

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