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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 11:22am On May 10, 2015 |
agaugust:MILAN isn't laser guided. Palmaria alongside tanks? Nigerian infantry can't deal with enemy mechanised infantry. Your tanks will be left without protection. Your army is 60 000 strong without but can't field a single standardized mechanised infantry battalion with support. "Anti-tank hunter teams". |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 11:24am On May 10, 2015 |
agaugust:Limited service and untested. You wanna talk about orders after what you said about the F-35 orders? |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 11:32am On May 10, 2015 |
agaugust:Ever heard about the Trident missile? Nuclear submarines are faster, and can stay underwater longer only surfacing to get food stocks. And can perform differently compared diesel subs. I'm not fooling but as anyone can see I'm simply educating you! YES NIGERIANS. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 11:36am On May 10, 2015 |
Henry120:Did you know: The T129 uses American engines and many sub-components? |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 11:41am On May 10, 2015 |
Henry120:The T129 uses foreign engines too! Half American then? ![]() Super advanced in what? Weaker payload? Shorter range? Weaker chin mounted gun? Untested? Nigeria is getting nothing! |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by stillchris: 12:11pm On May 10, 2015 |
ViceAdmiral: you are already too late mate. Vice news has already rubbished this rubbish report with their man on ground and on the frontlines. not thousands of miles away in air-conditioned offices. and it seems you just subscribed for data. This your news is old and already proven to be false. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 12:26pm On May 10, 2015 |
stillchris: Vice proved no such thing Infact,Vice highlighted the fact that your men are poorly equipped |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 12:30pm On May 10, 2015 |
patches689:glory-stealing again!!! controversies never part company with SANDF. stop displaying the medals of international campaigns you didnt even lead as your own. when your generals quit engaging their own military writers to distort war records, then you will begin to realize your what a fraud your military is. 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 12:32pm On May 10, 2015 |
stillchris: Nigerian military court-martials General blamed for loss of Baga to Boko Haram The Nigerian military on Monday commenced the court martial of a Brigadier General, Enitan Ransome-Kuti, and four other senior officers, blamed for the loss of Baga in Borno State, to Boko Haram insurgents in January. Mr. Ransome-Kuti, his Chief of Staff, Lieutenant Colonel G.A. Suru, and some other senior officers, were arrested for failing to repel Boko Haram attack on the headquarters of the Multinational Joint Task Force [MNJTF] in Baga. Also arrested were the Commanding Officers of the 134 and 174 Battalions — Lieutenant Colonel Haruna and Major Aliyu. The two battalions are under the MNJTF. Mr. Ransome-Kuti was the commander of the multinational force during the attack. The commanders were detained shortly after they arrived Maiduguri, the Borno State capital, from Monguno, where they took refuge with troops after being dislodged from Baga. Military sources told PREMIUM TIMES that authorities were especially angry with Mr. Ransome-Kuti for his inability to lead his troop to counter the onslaught in Baga, despite the high calibre weapons and ammunition available to his unit. After their arrests, the senior officers were held at the officers’ mess of the 21 Armoured Brigade, and were asked to account for the weapons lost to the insurgents. At the trial which took place at the Defence Headquarters garrison in Abuja, on Monday, the officers were represented by counsels from the Femi Falana chambers. PREMIUM TIMES understands that the defence team raised concerns that the military high command, led by the Chief of Army Staff, Kenneth Minimah, may interfere with the process. According to sources at the trial, the team told the court that Mr. Minimah had made it clear that he wanted the accused officers to be severely punished to serve as a lesson to others who may abandon their duty posts. The team cited an interview the army chief had with This Day newspaper two weeks ago, in which he said he set up a court-martial to ensure the officers were dismissed. “The soldier knows that if he runs away he will be dismissed. So everybody was prepared to stand and fight and die, because if you run back there is nothing. And for the fact that they stood and fought back for hours instead of running caught the Boko Haram by surprise…and terrified them,” Mr. Minimah had said in the ThisDay interview. The army chief said, “At one point these equipment came in, and with my personal effort of ensuring that officers and soldiers were court-martialed, dismissed for running in the face of adversaries, for abandoning the equipment we have and running away and so forth, the psyche of the Nigerian soldier changed.” The team urged the court to disengage itself because it may be biased, and asked that a new court, made up of officers from the Air Force and Navy, be set up to hear the case. The defendant’s objection was overruled by the court which said it cannot rely on media reports, sources told PREMIUM TIMES. It however promised that the process will be fair and that any officer not found guilty will be set free. Officials also told PREMIUM TIMES that as of Tuesday, the accused officers were yet to know what charges were filed against them. The court-martial is the second involving senior officers in the fight against Boko Haram, as those affected by previous trials since 2014, were mostly non-commissioned personnel, many of who were either sacked or sentenced to death. In January, 22 top military officers were court martialled at the Ikeja Military Cantonment in Lagos. The officers included a Brigadier-General – J.O Komolafe; 14 Colonels – A. Laguda, V. Ebhaleme, V.O. Ita, and I.B. Maina, I. A Aboi, I.M Kabir, M.H. Abubakar, A. A. Egbejule, N. N. Orok, C. A. Magaji, A.O. Agwu, A.J.S. Gulani, O.O. Obolo and A.M. Adetuyi; one Major – M.M Idris; five Captains – M Adamu, O. A. Adenaike, M. Gidado, M.M. Clark and S. Raymond and one Second Lieutenant – S.O Olowa. In December 2014, 54 soldiers were sentenced to death for conspiracy to commit mutiny and mutiny. The Army said the soldiers disobeyed a direct order from their superior officers to take part in an operation. The soldiers however said they only asked for support equipment before embarking on the operation. Twelve other soldiers had been previously sentenced to death by firing squad for shooting at a car conveying their commanding officer, Ahmed Mohammed, a Major General. The soldiers revolted after some of their colleagues were ambushed and killed by Boko Haram extremists, an attack they blamed on their superior officer. Also in December, 2014, over 200 soldiers were sacked after an overnight trial. They had been held in detention for three months and denied communication to their families or legal representation. http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/182466-nigerian-military-court-martials-general-blamed-for-loss-of-baga-to-boko-haram.html Is that also rubbish??By the way how many soldiers have been executed so far after being court marshaled for refusing to go into battle with only as little as a magazine.Well if it turns out to be rubbish than Nigerian media leaves a lot to be desired for with with their accuracy....JUST SAYING....And by the looks of things your military seems to be very well adept at court marshaling soldiers who at times seem to have legitimate concerns...apart form shooting at your own general that is ![]() ![]() |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 12:33pm On May 10, 2015 |
lezz: Well done. You typed 4 whole sentences and said absolutely NOTHING!! An impressive feat |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 12:55pm On May 10, 2015 |
patches689: You lack basic understanding. Agusta is the parent company in-charge of the A-129, which the T-129 is a derivative of. Seeing that Nigeria Operates across the Navy, Airforce and Civilian board many Agusta type Helicopters and a maintenance facility, I don't see how the T-129 would present a parts challenge. Read, then understand, before contributing your irrelevant opinion. Most Agusta Helicopters use American engines, I don't see how that's a problem. I also made it clear that the Nigerian military mostly fly the A109 and 139. The T-129 is currently engaging turkish PKK terrorists in the mountains. The A-129 entered into service in 1990 has seen extensive combat. The Nigerian CAS said, the service is in the process of acquiring T-129 for it's Network Enabled Combat program. The message is very clear. 3 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 1:04pm On May 10, 2015 |
MikeCZAR: The Nigerian Airforce would operate 2 Helicopter types that are way better than your Half-french Helicopter. The MI-35m and T-129. It, when inducted would be the most advanced Helicopter in Africa, ahead of the Algerian MI-28N, Egyptain Apache, and the Nigerian MI-35m. The Helicopter sees you first, has standoff munitions, well...... goodbye vienna!! You should be worried about purchasing fuel for your Aircrafts, not the Helicopters Nigeria is ordering. 4 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 1:05pm On May 10, 2015 |
MikeCZAR: Nice graduation from blaming the Americans to blaming the Turks. Bunch of "maradonas". 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 1:07pm On May 10, 2015 |
patches689: Completely debunked by the Vice news documentary. Karj larsen was on the ground in the heat of battle! Next!!! 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 1:08pm On May 10, 2015 |
Henry120: 1. No - there is no parts commonality with the platforms you have. Thus there is a parts challenge as engineers and mechanics will have to be retrained to operate it, massive stores of parts will have to be aquired and so will extensive ammounts of specialist equipment. This will be costly and challenging. 2. Again, you dont operate helicopters that use the same engine or configuration. So no - there is no comminality 3. The T129 has seen no combat. The T-129 is not the A-129 4. Yes, your leadership also said you would get Tucano's, T80U's, Su30's, JF-17s etc etc etc and you havent. You arent getting the T129, you dont have the infrastructure to support it, you dont have the money to buy it, and the Turks are too busy building their own to sell you any in the near future. I am sorry that reality does not correlate to your delusion. But these are the facts. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 1:10pm On May 10, 2015 |
Henry120: How is the Mi-35M better than the Rooivalk? How is the T-129 better than the Rooivalk? I keep asking but you can never answer... is it because you are unable to answer? You should be worried about being able to pay public servants before you dream of buying helicopters you cannot afford. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 1:13pm On May 10, 2015 |
Henry120: Really? And how exactly did vice debunk it? Come on, tell us. Reports are clear: The 54 soldiers belonged to the 111 Special Forces battalion attached to the 7 division of the army in Maiduguri. They are to die by firing squad, the military court ruled. One of the sacked soldiers, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said[b] the soldiers were dismissed for asking for support equipment,[/b] following the army’s plan to convey them in a tipper for an operation in Bama and Gwoza, two strongholds of Boko Haram insurgents. The soldier, who is originally of the 19th Battalion in Okitipupa in Ondo State, but attached to the 7th division in Maiduguri, said the army detained them for over 90 days before dismissing them after a midnight trial. He said they are owed up to five months in unpaid salaries. He said they were given two weeks pass and that at the expiration of their pass, they were issued new uniforms, boots and 30 rounds of bullets each as opposed to the statutory 60 rounds. And were going to be conveyed in a tipper lorry to Gwoza and Bama for an operation. “So we asked for support weapons. No support weapon was provided. Our CO (Commanding Officer) said he would discuss with the GOC (General Officer Commanding) of the 7 Division at the headquarters. When he came back, he said we should stand down. We thought all was well,” our source said. The soldiers said they refused to take part in the operation because the Army did not provide them with the required combat and support equipment needed for such operations. Earlier, in September, 12 soldiers were sentenced to death for allegedly shooting at a car conveying their commanding officer, Ahmed Mohammed, a Major General. You are broke!!! You cannot even pay soldiers wages!!! Your men are terribly equipped!! No support weapons can be provided!! Men are issued one magazines worth of ammunition!! Transported in civilian construction vehicals!! ELITE SPECIAL FORCES TROOPS REFUSE TO FIGHT!!! You see, our standards are higher than yours we have a crisis in the military - but if it were Nigeria you would be extatic with the state of your army!! Pathetic (Actually, you are not worthy of rebels) |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 1:18pm On May 10, 2015 |
patches689:since when did your opinion count ? 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 1:24pm On May 10, 2015 |
patches689: Nigeria's budget is pegged at the Price of oil at $57 per barrel. Oil is currently trading at $60- 65 per barrel. We are well within our budget. The Provision of $4.5 billion borrowing was budgeted for and well within Nigeria's borrowing limits. It is routine borrowing, neither was it rushed. The quick disbursement of the cash is credence to this fact. Nigeria has a very brilliant finance minister. - only 12 Helicopters from belarus are from the 1 billion dollars credit. The rest of the fleet is budgeted for. - the SANDF is a completely broke force with no money to purchase basic fuel for it's fleet, an inept and poorly trained force, whose members are only concerned with watching football than doing the actual job of anti-poaching. Pathetic!!! - The SANDF's standard are more in the class of Burundi and Malawi, not the Powerful Nigerian military. - the Nigerian Airforce received 3 Beechcraft last year meant for light transport. The Airforce chief goes on to say that the force is about to receive 3 additional surveillance planes which I suspect are beechcraft. - the Nigerian Airforce has also taken delivery of 6 up-graded Alpha jets it acquired from Air-USA. - the Nigerian military has also taken delivery of 8 Gazelle Helicopters which are for the Army. Get this into your thick skull. 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 1:29pm On May 10, 2015 |
patches689: Defense budget N968.127 billion that's $6 billion likely to go up Read: Finance minister on defence spendings Abuja – The Minister of Finance, Dr Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala, on Friday said the Federal Government disbursed N130.7 billion to the defence sector from January to April. Okonjo-Iweala made this known while briefing newsmen during breakdown of the 2014 budget signed by the President Goodluck Jonathan in Abuja. She said: “Defence spending is top in everything; you know that military establishment need new things to assist them in their work and ours will not be different. “No budget will be enough to meet their demands but for now, I think the sector takes almost a trillion of the budgets. “To be specific, they have about N968.127 billion and we have disbursed N130.7 billion between January and April 2014,’’ she said The minister explained that N85.9billion out of the amount disbursed was for personnel cost, saying that the military paid its personnel because it was yet to be integrated into the IPPIS. Okonjo-Iweala said that N3.8 billion approved by the President was being processed and would soon be released, adding that there were other additional spending. http:// www.vanguardngr.com/2014/05 /fg-disburses-n130-7bn-to- defence-sector-in-4-months- okonjo-iweala/ As usual Nigerian arms procurement is relatively secretive and our open source derived data can only be an indication of the true scope and volume of Nigerian arms imports. We are always searching for more information, but we only use open sources for our database. best regards . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Pieter Wezeman Senior Researcher Arms and Military Expenditure Programme STOCKHOLM INTERNATIONAL PEACE RESEARCH INSTITUTE Signalistgatan 9 SE-169 70 Solna, Sweden This is what Sipri has to say on the Nigerian military. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 1:30pm On May 10, 2015 |
Henry120: - 6 Beechcraft [citation needed] - 8 Gazelle [citation needed] - 6 Alpha jets [citation needed] As usual you present inflated figures. Your government is borrowing money to pay workers because it is broke Africa's richest economy is borrowing money to pay salaries as it struggles through a "difficult cash crunch" brought on by halved oil prices, Nigeria's finance minister revealed. The news comes as Nigeria prepares to welcome a new government at the end of this month and the country's naira currency remains in a slump, hovering between 180 and 220 to the US dollar. It was trading at 160 a few months ago. Minister Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala tried to be upbeat in a speech on Tuesday after lawmakers approved the 2015 budget - revised three times because of slashed oil prices that provide 80 percent of revenue for the government of Africa's biggest petroleum producer. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/05/150506055148505.html Sandf has, according to SIPIR, NEARLY TWICE the budget of the Nigerian military despite being nearly half the size. SANDF remains at a standard you could only dream of, with capabilities that make your mouth water. Nigeria is broke, your military is getting nothing!!! |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 1:31pm On May 10, 2015 |
Henry120: Procurement =/= national budget SIPRI says your budget is $2,2 billion. This is fact. And that e-mail is fake. I too can cook up an e-mail and post it here. These are the facts. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 1:32pm On May 10, 2015 |
patches689: Again, Completely debunked by the Vice news documentary on the ground and in the fight. you don't even need half a brain to come to this conclusion. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 1:37pm On May 10, 2015 |
patches689: Like i've said to you on many occasions, i'm not going to have this debate with you. Sipri's position on the Nigerian military is clear. The Nigerian Finance ministry is also clear. Sipri isn't Nigeria's finance ministry, and by their own admission, neither do they claim so. "We are always searching for more information, but we only use open sources for our database. "..... Sipri. 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 1:45pm On May 10, 2015 |
patches689: Bwahahahaha ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() More load in kilograms is not equal to more firepower, Rooivalk carries more payload than Apache, but the Apache has more firepower with more advanced weapons and targeting systems including a 30mm gun with 1,200 rounds of ammo, more firepower than Rooivalk 20mm gun with 700 rounds ammo. Payload is not = Firepower. PROVED ! Rooivalk carries more payload of obsolete weapons that are far LESS effective in modern combat compared to T-129 : 1. T-129 has 20mm x 3 barrel gun.....3 times more firepower than Rooivalk 20mm x 1 barrel gun 2. T-129 carries missile pods, a modern hardware for carrying more weapons on a single pylon, it can carry 8 air to air missiles. Rooivalk is obsolete with the wing tip concept of old times, only 2 air to air missiles, no missile pod technology. 3. T-129 carries laser guided rocket pods, meaning one single rocket from a pod of 24 rockets, is guided with precision laser on a target, meaning the T-129 only has to fire one rocket to k.ill one target, but the Rooivalk obsolete unguided rockets need to fire about 10 in a game of gamble and struggle to k.ill one target. Rooivalk has no laser guided precision rocket pod, it is obsolete. 4. T-129 can carry gun pods for two 30mm cannon in addition to three-barrel 20mm cannon on the nose, the Rooivalk cannot carry any extra gun pod, it only has one single barrel 20mm gun and very weak firepower. T-129 has many times more firepower than the weak Rooivalk. 5. T-129 can carry mixed weapons of different types on each pylon, modern technology weapons mix formula, see photo below.... A. four air to air missiles in missile pod B. laser guided 20 rocket pod C. four Anti-tank missiles D. four air to surface missiles The Rooivalk wil NEVER NEVER NEVER have the above firepower combination of the T-129. T-129 would have finished successful combat and gone back home while Rooivalk is still struggling to find target and try hit something. Surely you enjoy my research brother ![]() ![]() NAF is pushing SAAF far behind by another 25 years o ! . 4 Likes
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:03pm On May 10, 2015 |
patches689: [size=16pt] I see this ultra-modern T-129 is hurting you sooooo baaaad my brah ![]() ![]() Range is NOT = Endurance. Flight endurance is determined by engine work time.... 3 hours for the T-129, beats Rooivalk hands down. You are the one that fails in basic research. I just begin to figure out that you know next to nothing about aircraft ![]() ![]() Range is NOT = Endurance....Lesson 101 to you from Nigerians on Nairaland[/size] . 3 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:07pm On May 10, 2015 |
patches689: Nigeria has armoured vehicle mobile RASIT radars for FOB ops you dummy ![]() . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:10pm On May 10, 2015 |
patches689: See my post above with the photo. T-129 carries extra missiles in pods, extra guns in pods, modern concept. Rooivalk has no missile pods and no gun pods, old obsolete concept. Next time do good research before you open your basket mouth brah . 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:26pm On May 10, 2015 |
patches689: Last time I checked, South Africa hired 60,000 Angolans and 1,000 Zimbabweans, Mozambicans as soldiers in direct combat to help you stop Cuban teenage girl soldiers from capturing Pretoria in broad daylight ![]() ![]() No South African fired a bullet against Boko Haram. 5 South African PMC not SANDF soldiers, private company PMC men trained 120 Nigerian soldiers in mobility ops. No South African militaray man, no SANDF troop has ever stepped into Nigeria to train anybody. PMC is NOT = SANDF. I see Cuban mechanics inside SANDF base training your army to maintain the vehicles that you built, your own products ![]() ![]() Did 5 men in PMC fight on a land mass equal to the size of Scotland? Col. Eben Barlow confessed that the only job he did was to train 120 man mobile strike force of infantry men in MRAPS. I have shown photos of Nigerian army and air force Generals doing ALL the war planning and frontline leading the troops into battle directly. Col. Barlow said the whole war planning was a completely Nigerian army idea, work and success. Did South Africans operate T-72, BVP-1 IFV, BTR-4E IFV, RM-70 MRLS, BOFORS FH-77, M-56 ARTY, PALMARIA ARTY, ATR-42, BEECHCRAFT ISTAR, F-7NI, ALPAH JET, MI-35 HIND, MI-171 TERMINATOR, AGL, MGL, BERYL, COBRA, VBL, IGIRIGI, VICKERS MBT, SHILKA AAA, CH-3 MISSILE DRONES..... Now your argument has dug a massive pit for your h.umi.iliation ![]() ![]() The rest of your post about T-72, Gripen, Ingwe, Rooivalk, dud rubber fake mokopa, etc needs no reply, it's all garbage and those arguments have been dealt with many times repeatedly on this forum. SANDF has ZERO war experience and your HIV sick 30 battalions of troops will d.ie from physical fatigue in battlefield not even our bullets ![]() . 2 Likes
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:33pm On May 10, 2015 |
patches689: You can go argue with the people on Beegeagles blog if you wish. Here is Nairaland, and I have said SAN has ONLY ONE operational submarine, you have no manpower to put more than one submarine into war. Your sailors cannot connect simple submarine battery terminals in the right node, so how will they fire torpedo? ![]() ![]() Nigeria has at least 2 Anti-submarine warfare helicopters in reserve, yes we can deal with your lone ranger submarine that has to snorkel after two days because it runs on diesel and battery.....the battery your sailors do not know how to connect properly. Your Southie submarine will hit mud on seabed by poor sailor judgement even before Nigerian ASW helicopter decides to attack it ![]() ![]() . 4 Likes
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:34pm On May 10, 2015 |
patches689: Busy sleeping at home....sleepy slumbering South African navy....and no fuel ![]() ![]() . 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:36pm On May 10, 2015 |
patches689: I am saying that Rooivalk needed support from Mi-35 Hind flown by Europeans to ki.ll some half dead M23 rebels that have no single radar or missile to defend themselves, not even a 23mm x 4 gun.... Now that's no combat dude ![]() ![]() . |
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