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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 12:09pm On May 12, 2015 |
MikeCZAR: Post the MRLS source here for us to verify dude, and stop acting like you have Down's Syndrome, born m0ron ! . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 12:09pm On May 12, 2015 |
agaugust: No one takes you seriously anymore Stop posting for a while, maybe we will forget 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 12:10pm On May 12, 2015 |
agaugust: Post gripen source Post Nigerian ASW radar and dipping sonar and torpedo source This is a chance for you to regain some credibility, take it |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 12:14pm On May 12, 2015 |
patches689: We have crew, Lynx ASW is in reserve. Not needed now. No threat except piracy. Why should we deplopy anti-submarine helicopters against pirates when we have 8 Augusta Naval helicopters flying against pirates daily? We save our best assets for the time of need. Nigeria does not use missile frigate to chase pirates like Southies do and wreck the Valour engines, you had to replaced a whole brand new engine within 3 years of purchase ! Nation of headless wasters, prodigals. Sensible countries use OPV for anti-piracy ops. NN has Lynx ASW helos in reserve, same way SAN has 3 frigates and 2 submarines in reserve . 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by DieVluit: 12:16pm On May 12, 2015 |
xwolverine: Anyone can sign up on a blog and say they are the Colonel; and then go on to state things. This carries zero weight. As the news article I have posted shows, the ageing gentlemen took credit for the work and they have been quoted accordingly. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 12:17pm On May 12, 2015 |
patches689: When you pull a Gatling trigger once, one shot, it rolls at super speed and each full revolution releases 3 bullets from 3 barrels. Tell me how many seconds it takes for the 3 barrels to roll and release 3 bullets....how many loooong sloooow seconds ? Trapped You https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_j0eJ0xB7LU . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by xwolverine: 12:23pm On May 12, 2015 |
patches689: 1. The issue of negligence affects even the world powers, this is caused by the limitations of us as humans. Reason why the US didn't envisage the menace of the ISI at the beginning when they pretended to be fighting against Assad in Syria. 2. Really ? I can't believe we are having this discussion when evidence shows that the weaponry purchased with the $2 Billion started coming in late January 2015. Looking at the timeline of the liberation of towns by the Nigerian Army, this coincides with the arrival of these weapons. A military budget according to you would immediately result in victory because you get the hardwares the same day. Talk of warped logic. 3. The US military is not incompetent when they had their asses whooped big time in Vietnam and presently in Yemen. There is a whole lot of difference in PMC instructors and Merceneries, and the STTEP falls in the former's category not the latter. 100 men would face an enemy in occupying a place the size of Belgium, is what fantasies are made of . It remains a fantasy because they were instructors not mercs. So you guys can stop having an e.rrection because of this. 4. American Government's use of PMC is tactical but wrong for Nigeria to use the same approach. These men are professionals employed to do a job, which requires a quick turn around time which they were duly paid for. The Cuban Mechanics currently helping SANDF makes the whole Mechanics in the SA military incompetent according to your inference. 5. Unlike Cameroon and Chad who constantly beg for military aid, Nigeria buys all of its military hardware with hard earned cash. Despite the refusal of the US to sell vital equipments, we were able through resilience and doggedness to turn the tides. REALITY CHECK: In Mali & after 3 months,36 Chadian troops killed,73 injured; AGAINST BH, 71 Chadian troops killed,416 injured in 3 months Not gloating or boasting, compare the casualties in the Nigerian Army with the Niger Army in recent weeks to show who really is a lightweight. The Niger and Cameroonian armies are loosing more personels than Nigeria which is heavily involved in fighting the militants in Sambisa Forest. 6 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 12:24pm On May 12, 2015 |
agaugust: How do they train if it is in reserve? Valour class are able to perform both AP duties as well as regular multi-national exercises. Your Augusta are maritime helicopters - they can be used for AP as well. Valour Class engine got replaced? So what? we bought them to use them, and use them we have!! You have no excuses, just like you have no ASW helicopter. Pathetic navy, cant even keep your maritime helicopters operational!! |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 12:28pm On May 12, 2015 |
xwolverine: 1. Irrelevant 2. Your military was caught ill prepared. That is utter negligence of the highest order. Hence why we purchase what we do. Do we need frigates right now? NO! But who knows what we will need tomorrow 3. Veitnam was a military victory for the US. US has only had limited footprint in Yemen. blah blah blah - see what executive ouctomes did with "100" men 4. US government use of PMC's is defensive only. And not for training and combat support THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE 5. Read your own sentance and see the hypocracy |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 12:29pm On May 12, 2015 |
xwolverine: Those figures show only one thing: Niger and Cameroon are involved in actual combat. You are not. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by xwolverine: 12:34pm On May 12, 2015 |
patches689: Talking about twisting words to suit your agenda, I said and I quote "...in this age of BVR missiles...". Can you now tell me where I mentioned that the T-129 carries BVR missiles. The argument was on the comparison of the guns on the 2 helicopters, an area where the T-129's gatling gun trumps the Rooivalk. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by xwolverine: 12:37pm On May 12, 2015 |
patches689: Really? So the number of dead soldiers equates to being actually involved in combat. Damn... and I thought I was "arguing with a military enthusiast"...how wrong was I 4 Likes
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by xwolverine: 12:39pm On May 12, 2015 |
patches689: You're one funny guy. Defensive only? when i quoted an article about their use in training and Block ops. Wow...I'm amazed at your double speak 3 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 12:41pm On May 12, 2015 |
[size=13pt] saengine: Watch my next video, it answers your question but also shows you have a low calibre brain that needs total upgrade to function on Nairaland patches689: Gatling gun fires about 50 bullets per second.....confirmed ! One trigger pull will release 3 bullets in so short a time, split seconds so fast you cannot measure the time with a normal clock, it is as fast as if all 3 bullets came out together, the time difference is split seconds and infinitesimal, the time between the 3 bullets release is so short it's almost simultaneous....confirmed by video expert analysis of Gatling gun mechanism posted below. Yes, T-129 has more firepower than Rooivalk. All South Africans are foooools, your entire nation fails science on a daily basis [/size] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLEGE7k9FD4 . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by xwolverine: 12:43pm On May 12, 2015 |
patches689: Your Air force cannot maintain 26 Gripens after more than 9 years. Your Navy cannot even connect an ordinary battery on your Subs, talk about incompetence. 3 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 12:47pm On May 12, 2015 |
xwolverine: I have been arguing with South Africans for a few years now, when they are defeated in an argument and too ashamed to admit, they start posting absolute garbage, that is their own way of telling you that they have surrendered and need to save face to reduce their shame. You know these guys don't have courage to face defeat, or you ever see South Africans do any acts of valour? No, they don't, it's a gift that heaven has denied their 50 million people . 3 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 12:53pm On May 12, 2015 |
xwolverine: No, you said that the T-129 can use BVR to engage targets that the Rooivalk cannot. If that is not what you meant - why even mention BVR An example: "in an age of laser cannons, the K2 Black Panther is outclassed by the Type 10" The implication is that the K2 is outclassed by the Type 10 BECAUSE of laser cannons - or why else say it? Face it, you literally have no idea what you are talking about |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 12:54pm On May 12, 2015 |
xwolverine: And you have disproven my theory how? Consider a comparison between the occupations of Veitnam and Iraq |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 12:54pm On May 12, 2015 |
xwolverine: Quoted an opinion peice Everyone has an opinion. My 9 year old neice has an opinion - it doesnt make it valid |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 12:56pm On May 12, 2015 |
agaugust: You thought that all 3 barrels fire at once agaugust: You cant dig yourself out of this hole. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by xwolverine: 12:58pm On May 12, 2015 |
patches689: Whats the importance of bullets when the Rooivalk can only fire 300 rounds before taking 10 minutes to cool off? ----- On the issue of guns, take for instance the Apache Longbow's M230 30mm lightweight automatic cannon is effective, but limited. It fires 30mm linkless ammunition at a rate of 625 shots per minute. However, the gun duty cycle to prevent overheating is as follows: six 50-round bursts with 5 seconds between bursts followed by a 10-minute cooling period. For bursts limited settings other than 50, the duty cycle can be generalized as no more than 300 rounds fired within 60 seconds before allowing the gun to cool for ten minutes, after which the cycle may be repeated. In short, an Apache can only fire 300 rounds before having to take a ten minute break to allow the gun to cool, and this assumes the gun never jams or malfunctions. Time on station is limited by fuel, and pilots attempting to avoid enemy anti-aircraft fire shouldn't circle aimlessly for 10 minutes after each brief gun engagement. ------- patches689: No, I'm saying the single-barrel gun helicopters are not as effective as the Gatling toting modern helicopters Now the modus operandi has changed, thats why I cited the ISI using Abrams, Guns on helicopters are not the primary weapons of choice anymore, and even if they are needed, the 300 rounds per minute limit on the M40 makes it less effective than a Gatling firing 3x of that in the same time. In essence T-129: Fires the whole rounds on board in approximately 1 minute, moves out and performs other duties. Rooivalk: Fires the first set of 300 rounds, needs to loiter and circle aimlessly for 10 minutes before firing the remaining rounds. The Primary purpose of guns on the helicopter is for suppression fire on snipers, and other hostiles while the helicopters acquire targets. If the mission requires more gunfights, the T-129 has the capability of mounting 4 more 12.7 mm (0.50 in) machine gun pod on its sides. In each scenerio, it trumps the Rooivalk 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 12:58pm On May 12, 2015 |
xwolverine: 1. Gripen is not fully operational and is flown according to operational requirements (56% capacity) 2. And yet those Subs sank an entire NATO taskforce. 3. The connected the batteries wrong story is a myth |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by xwolverine: 12:59pm On May 12, 2015 |
patches689: An opinion piece based on a narrative by one of the main actors? How would your 9 year old niece view your integrity when you double speak at all times? 4 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 1:01pm On May 12, 2015 |
xwolverine: 1. The source is not talking about the F2 autocannon. So it is irrelevant 2. Guns have never been the main means of engaging MBTs - you are the clown whom thought that a 20mm autocannon can take out an MBT not me 3. Again, your argument is based on flawed logic - your source does not apply to the F2 gun. You have yet to prove how it trumps the Rooivalk in any way |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 1:02pm On May 12, 2015 |
xwolverine: And yet the opinion peice does not cite the main actor as thoroughly as you suggest it does |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 1:07pm On May 12, 2015 |
xwolverine:do you wish to be educated on this topic? |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 1:16pm On May 12, 2015 |
xwolverine: Patches689 you've had your a$s handed to you!!!! 4 Likes 1 Share
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 1:18pm On May 12, 2015 |
patches689: 5 Likes 1 Share
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 1:19pm On May 12, 2015 |
Henry120: If you need to announce that someone has been defeated it is usually pretty obvious that they have not been. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 1:21pm On May 12, 2015 |
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by xwolverine: 1:23pm On May 12, 2015 |
patches689: 1. the F2 auto-cannon is similar to the M230 - Fact So the limitation remains relevant 2. You based your argument on the Rooivalk's gun, not me. I only schooled you on the F2 and other autocannon's limitations. 3. Irrelevant rebuttal. Rooivalk - Old radar system with limited range. T-129 - 128 Target acquisition simultaneously and ability to prioritise targets. Rooivalk - 1990s tech, no longer in production. T-129 - 2009 tech, currently in production. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 1:27pm On May 12, 2015 |
xwolverine: Rooivalk: - Bigger round from autocannon, more ammunition - larger weapons payload - more weapons hard points - longer loiter time, range, performance characteristics (despite the bigger payload) - combat tested 1. So the limitation is that it cannot engage MBT's? Yes, we all know this. 2. What limitations? Is the F2 the same as the autocannon found on the Apache? 3. Your citation does not refer to the F2 autocannon. It refers to a completely different auto-canon with different capabilities. T-129 is a lightweight armed-recon platform, it is not a true-blue heavyweight tank hunter like the Z-10, Rooivalk, Apache, Mi Mil-28 or Ka-50(52) Your T-129 is more akin to the Tiger, HAL, Kawasaki OH-1, Korean AH-X and Cobra family. The T-129 is a skirmisher compared to the juggernaught that is the Rooivalk. Not only that, but the Rooivalk has all round better performance - despite its size and weapons payload. All statistics support this. |
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