Collynzo9:
I am typing with my phone now so I can't reply your drivel in details, however let me point some things out to you:
1. On the issue of trucks on the road - steady power supply will reduce Nigerians consumption of petroleum products, this means a reduction in the frequency of restocking filling stations with this products which in turn reduces the number of petroleum tankers on the road. In essence, these power stations might just reduce the number of trucks on the road rather than increase it.
2. On the issue of safety, condensed natural gas is so light that it easily evaporates in the event of a spill or leakage.
You have not made any tangible point against this model really.

So short but straight to d point with a lot of sense. I also will love a rejoinder but typing on a phone aren't easy. To add to ur first point, those truck carrying diesel to communication mast of various service provider would be taken off d roads and we will also experience a sharp drop in call rates.. In summary, there is a multiplier effect of positivity.

Mynd44:

You still don't get it. Mini-grids is all about what you have said too. You know what area your plant will be serving, and you build transmission lines in that area alone.

So if one plant in Enugu can generate enough power to power the whole state, fine. But generating power in Kaduna and transporting it to Abeokuta is a huge waste of resources because of the transmission. The distance from the point of generation to the point of usage is reduced

Ok maybe we are saying the same thing from different angles.
BUT I still don't think we should abandon the existing transmission out-rightly. We have seen generators and transformers go up in flames. That can also happen to a local power station. The idea of national transmission is to create room for flexibility and maneuvering. Imagine something happens to Eko disco that is exclusively generating and serving Lagos. If anything happens to the transformer or generator without the flexibility of "sharing" power with the rest of the country, the entire state will be under darkness while their will be power in Mowe and Ibafo

I think the national grid should be left alone for now and concentrate on local/regional generation with the possibility of taking/pushing power from/to the national grid when it becomes necessary. Let us not get too carried away and throw away the baby with the bathwater.

Mynd44:

We don't need those. What stops Enugu from generating power from coal?

What stops the North from setting up solar farms and wind farms?

Gas can always be transported for small plants without pipelines.

Generate power where you need the power. We don't need those. What stops Enugu from generating power from coal? What stops the North from setting up solar farms and wind farms? Gas can always be transported for small plants without pipelines.

Develop powers where you need the power. No point distributing again.

No, no no no, I meant we don't need power plants in every village or local communities. For example, we can built a plant to serve Ikorodu, but what about the many villages and towns in and around Ikorodu like Ijede and so on? Do we build power plants in those places too? Of course not, we can build the plant in the main cities and run power cables to transmit to the surrounding towns and villages or vice versa if you prefer to have the plants in the hinterlands and transmit to the major towns and cities via the same cable system.

I wasn't talking about not having power plants in other states, I meant not in every hinterland towns and villages surrounding each state. Maybe I didn't get what he meant by interland.

TonySpike:


In addition to what you have said, these power plants can be integrated into the national grid later on when it becomes certain that they have excess capacity to extend their services to neighbouring states!

Exactly!!

gists:

Ok maybe we are saying the same thing from different angles.
BUT I still don't think we should abandon the existing transmission out-rightly. We have seen generators and transformers go up in flames. That can also happen to a local power station. The idea of national transmission is to create room for flexibility and maneuvering. Imagine something happens to Eko disco that is exclusively generating and serving Lagos. If anything happens to the transformer or generator without the flexibility of "sharing" power with the rest of the country, the entire state will be under darkness while their will be power in Mowe and Ibafo

I think the national grid should be left alone for now and concentrate on local/regional generation with the possibility of taking/pushing power from/to the national grid when it becomes necessary. Let us not get too carried away and throw away the baby with the bathwater.

I am not talking of abandoning the national Grid....leave it and keep generating the present capacity but these micro-grids will take the pressure off the existing grid and take out the needs of certain places off the grid. This leaves some power for others to use

tit:


excellent move!
there is electricity 24/7 in lagos.
the lagos master plan is the best thing since sliced bread.
and it is free.
no consumer has to pay anything to get lagos electricity!
great move by Osinbanjo!

Pls which part of Lagos is there Light 24/7

My Brother,

Let's educate ourselves with fact and leave "bad-belleism" out of it.

1. Lagos is the only state currently that has show a capability, plan, strategy and made real a sustainable implementation of power generating capacity.
2. Your argument that Grid system is the best falls flat when we compare Nigeria. I understand that as at 1988, Bayelsa was hardly on National Grid, but Bayelsa is hardly reflective of the collective demand profile of Nigeria./
3. Talking about Grid system, let me lay some simple facts. Nigerian's power demand capacity is in the excess of 150GW. Nigeria's generating capacity is less than 3GW. Shockingly enough, the total transmission (Grid) capacity is 11GW. In other words, even if we produce much more, we only have enough grid capacity to take care of 9% of our national demand capacity............

vanunu:
The grid system is simply the best, that is why it is used through out the whole world, it is cheaper, and when one power plant is undergoing maintenance, consumers will not even notice it . I remember what bayelsa state use to surfer in those days when they were not connected to the national grid.

Upon all the noise that the lagos have been making for 16yrs, they have only been able
To generate only 64mw despite the fact that billions of naira have been spent.

This system they are proposing for buhari is very expensive and consumers will not be able to pay. The cost of laying gas pipline alone will consume billions of naira

[quote author=Bayswater post=33661655]

http://thenationonlineng.net/new/power-generation-capacity-hits-6000mw-says-sambo/

6000MW. This news is from one of Tinubu's pepper-selling newspapers, you know.[/http://dailypost.ng/2015/05/01/electricity-generation-in-nigeria-drops-to-2800mw/]

http://www.premiumtimesng.com/business/182309-nigerias-power-generation-drops-to-2800mw.html

http://www.naijalately.com/news/power-generation-drops-to-2800mw



Note: If you need more sources, I can provide...

gists:


I have a similar hypothesis and I have not seen why it should not work. I stated this on another thread a few days ago.

gists: :
I am pretty sure this perennial problem is more of political will than technical know-how.
:
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I know for sure some private companies are already generating electricity from gas. I strongly believe this can be replicated by the discos. It is only when it comes to IPP that gas supply becomes an issue. The discos should be given a "partial" license to generate a fraction of the electricity demand for their area. All legislation barring them to generate electricity should be relaxed. Imagine kaduna disco or eko disco or phed generating about 30% of their respective demands. Add that to what is already being supplied to them from the grid. It should come to about 60%. At an individual level, this translate to about 16 hours of electricity for everybody.

Their is no miracle Buhari can perform if we have to wait for the national grid. The discos needs to be given a bit more role.

Bros,

The current regulation that birthed the privatisation i.e. the Discos, allows them to either have or partner with embedded clusters. This means, as you had suggested, the can generate power in limited capacity, distribute and sell same. The major problem is that power pricing is still regulated and investors are not disposed to doing this cos, they are not guaranteed of recouping their investment in reasonable time with the current price regime

EMANY01:


The trucks carring the gas will originate from where and will run on which roads?
Unless you wil import the gas using the ports.

Listen technology is way advance this days. You can solidify it, we have trains that can transport gas stop thinking beyond your nose . We have gas in Ondo state, these days gas is found everywhere so don't think it only south south that have energy. Soon the demand for oil would reduce, you need to see research and the amount of money western countries are spending to avoid paying Russia and Saudi Arabia for energy.

gists:

Ok maybe we are saying the same thing from different angles.
BUT I still don't think we should abandon the existing transmission out-rightly. We have seen generators and transformers go up in flames. That can also happen to a local power station. The idea of national transmission is to create room for flexibility and maneuvering. Imagine something happens to Eko disco that is exclusively generating and serving Lagos. If anything happens to the transformer or generator without the flexibility of "sharing" power with the rest of the country, the entire state will be under darkness while their will be power in Mowe and Ibafo

I think the national grid should be left alone for now and concentrate on local/regional generation with the possibility of taking/pushing power from/to the national grid when it becomes necessary. Let us not get too carried away and throw away the baby with the bathwater.

The idea is to let communities like Shomolu, Bariga, Ilupeju, Ikeja, Obalende and so on be their own disco or have their own power generating and distributing stations so the whole state can not go out in case of any unforeseen situation...

In fact, your analogy is directly supporting what you are against because you get into that kind of situation only with centralized transmission and this is the very reason why MicroGrid is gaining traction just to avoid what you just stated..

The Future is Micro

The traditional centralized approach to electricity production and distribution has long been susceptible to the domino effect where a relatively minor event in one part of the grid can lead to cascading failures effecting large numbers of customers. Microgrids and distributed electricity generation can firewall the grid, creating local independence and enhanced reliability among many other benefits.

http://www.energybiz.com/article/13/06/microgrids-and-distributed-generation-will-change-our-energy-futures

Solar school...







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Another Lagos state power approach. Getting schools, hospitals and other public institutions off the grid via Solar...


Agian, anything is possible, we just need the right thinking leaders in place to make it happen... this is not rocket science..

aresa:

The idea is to let communities like Shomolu, Bariga, Ilupeju, Ikeja, Obalende and so on be their own disco or have their own power generating and distributing stations so the whole state can not go out in case of any unforeseen situation...

In fact, your analogy is directly supporting what you are against because you get into that kind of situation only with centralized transmission and this is the very reason why MicroGrid is gaining traction just to avoid what you just stated..

http://www.energybiz.com/article/13/06/microgrids-and-distributed-generation-will-change-our-energy-futures

I understand. That is why I asked earlier where do we draw the line - state level, LGAs, LCDA or at street level? Obviously every street cannot have a power plant and on the flip side of the coin, Lagos is "too big" for just one power station. But then, we can't just use Lagos as bench mark. There are over 700 LGA in Nigeria, so I don't think its economical to have 700 power stations. Some states will survive with just two or three power station while some may need up to ten or more. But my point is whatever the number of stations are in any state, there should be the flexibility to share power with other states/regions through a higher level of connectivity (i.e transmission).

Here is Lagos state taking the lead in energy generation, but Akwa ibom state that receives much more federal allocation will continue to build more hotels and entertainment centers with state funds. Yet power is at an all time low across the state. I am residing there currently, so I know what I'm saying. Now by tomorrow, we will have people blaming the siting of companies administrative headquarters in Lagos. I sure hope Ogun and Osun is keeping an eye on their neighbor. We all need to take a pro-active measure at solving Nigeria's energy crisis and it has to start from somewhere

Mynd44:
This has been what Osinbajo has been proposing all these while. To be honest, we Nigerians don't really know the exact issue with power generation and the National grid.

If Nigeria generates anything more that 7,500MW and feeds it to the grid, everything is going to come down as our distribution lines cannot take that much power. We don't not have the facilities so building huge power plants is not the way.

What we can do is to generate the power in bits. As Osinbajo have said, generate power when it will be consumed so we don't spend too much time and money on distribution. Each Local government or LCDA depending on the consumption. Perhaps even a locality can come together to have a 10MW plant for that area and they are good to go.

To keep building huge plants and hoping to connect then to the grid is a waste that has proven to be the way not to go.

With this bit by bit module, each locality can look at what they have and use it to generate power, gas in most places, some can use renewable power especially in the North where there are huge opportunities for wind and solar power.

In the south, I will like to see a Badagry power plant Ltd. that wants to harness the Atlantic ocean through tidal power. At least the beaches there have not been tamed like the ones on Lagos Island so it is possible.

These bit by bit generation will culminate into something tangible but first we need legislation for it to work as right now, the power generation laws state that if you generate anything greater than 1mw, you have to connect to the grid. This is where policy, plans, entrepreneurship and dedication combination will come into play

At the quoted above, i think that's whats done in an estate at lekki, friends colony estate and northern foreshore estate, i have been living there for close to 2 years now and there has never been power failure, thou it comes at a very high rate (money wise). I think influential neighborhoods coming together and thinking of how to generate their own power is another way to go in this country.

deebsman1:


At the quoted above, i think that's whats done in an estate at lekki, friends colony estate and northern foreshore estate, i have been living there for close to 2 years now and there has never been power failure, thou it comes at a very high rate (money wise). I think influential neighborhoods coming together and thinking of how to generate their own power is another way to go in this country.

Does the price they pay come close to how much it cost to rub your generator everyday for a month?

Imagine yo spend even if it is 300 naira a night to power your generator in a flat for 4 hours each day. Remember you have tk switch off your refrigerator and not use your air-condition and also limited to about 4 hours while you also pay PHCN 1,200 for that month.
That amounts to about 10,200 each month. I can bet the residents don't spend that much.

EMANY01:


I'd like to see you guys try it will certaily be a repeat of the soviet model of trying to surbodinate science , economics and common sence to political theory.
The results by 2019 will be epic.

NO COUNTRY even a qurter the size of Nigeria has ever SERIOUSLY considered going the route you guys are advocating.
There are real and objective reasons for that.

I work in the power sector of the economy. When ever I travel out of this country, I made it a duty to study how power generation and distribution is carried out in my country of called.
As advanced as U S is in technology, they have as small as 10mw power generation station in Delaware which supply just around the city and serve as emergency back up in critical condition.
Investment in power generation and transmission in Nigeria since 1999 to date has just been serving the purpose of enrichment to the big boys of the power sector.
Big big Prado jeeps, uncountable Hilux truck, consultant that are paid several millions of naira, kick back to tcn staffs in lump sum, all these things happen every budget years. Yet, the whole power generation and transmission system is declining every year instead of improvement.
Let us not go into details of the fraud that is power projects in Nigeria.
The money waisted every year on transmission stations is enough to give power to each local government area bit by bit.

has buhari generated 150,0000 MW yet?
abi na by mouth them dey take solve electricity?

APC operation feed the nation with lies continues!

gists:

Ok maybe we are saying the same thing from different angles.
BUT I still don't think we should abandon the existing transmission out-rightly. We have seen generators and transformers go up in flames. That can also happen to a local power station. The idea of national transmission is to create room for flexibility and maneuvering. Imagine something happens to Eko disco that is exclusively generating and serving Lagos. If anything happens to the transformer or generator without the flexibility of "sharing" power with the rest of the country, the entire state will be under darkness while their will be power in Mowe and Ibafo

I think the national grid should be left alone for now and concentrate on local/regional generation with the possibility of taking/pushing power from/to the national grid when it becomes necessary. Let us not get too carried away and throw away the baby with the bathwater.

Does it make sense for a person in Ikeja to suffer power outage because wind destroyed a pylon that is in faraway Kainji?

stave9ja:
guys we use IPP in redemption camp Mowe - ( The camp as more residents than some local governments in Nigeria)

we have light aveargely 23.5hours everyday

the last time i used the generator was December 2014

IT IS POSSIBLE

This great. Is the IPP gas-powered? What does a flat pay as bill?

gists:

I understand. That is why I asked earlier where do we draw the line - state level, LGAs, LCDA or at street level? Obviously every street cannot have a power plant and on the flip side of the coin, Lagos is "too big" for just one power station. But then, we can't just use Lagos as bench mark. There are over 700 LGA in Nigeria, so I don't think its economical to have 700 power stations. Some states will survive with just two or three power station while some may need up to ten or more. But my point is whatever the number of stations are in any state, there should be the flexibility to share power with other states/regions through a higher level of connectivity (i.e transmission).

LG level sounds good to me and in case of other states, they should do whatever helps their local situations...

National grid is ok for some kind of back up, but definitely not as primary system. In case of war with any other nation God forbid, they are going after your main or central transmission system to keep you in darkness, but with microgrids, they'll have to bomb out the whole country to knock you off completely...

gists:

I understand. That is why I asked earlier where do we draw the line - state level, LGAs, LCDA or at street level? Obviously every street cannot have a power plant and on the flip side of the coin, Lagos is "too big" for just one power station. But then, we can't just use Lagos as bench mark. There are over 700 LGA in Nigeria, so I don't think its economical to have 700 power stations. Some states will survive with just two or three power station while some may need up to ten or more. But my point is whatever the number of stations are in any state, there should be the flexibility to share power with other states/regions through a higher level of connectivity (i.e transmission).

You are right. State like Osun will not need up to 100mw presently. But if Osun can generates 100mw for now and future and then transmitted the excess not needed now to a neighboring state of Oyo that requires more energy, it means the power need of the state is sorted and more money comes from the excess sold to customers in the neighboring state.

Mynd44:

Does the price they pay come close to how much it cost to rub your generator everyday for a month?

Imagine yo spend even if it is 300 naira a night to power your generator in a flat for 4 hours each day. Remember you have tk switch off your refrigerator and not use your air-condition and also limited to about 4 hours while you also pay PHCN 1,200 for that month.
That amounts to about 10,200 each month. I can bet the residents don't spend that much.

Bros its much more than 10k per month, not even 30k but the residents enjoys the services, you can on your AC(s) or anything 24/7.....na your money go determine. but anyway, na upper-middle class/ the rich estate em be sha......moeny is good.

OrlandoOwoh:

Does it make sense for a person in Ikeja to suffer power outage because wind destroyed a pylon that is in faraway Kainji?

Does it also make sense for someone in Ikeja to keep sleeping in darkness while there is excess power in Afam in Rivers state that cannot be pushed to national grid? better still, does it makes sense for someone in Mowe/Ibafo to be sleeping in darkness while their is power in Berger simply because we refuse to make room for that flexibility? What happens to the idea of the DISCO serving Berger to sell power to the DISCO serving Mowe?
Having said that, I am 100% for decentralization (generating power nearby to the people that need it), but I also believe flexibility and robustness should not be thrown out of the window.

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Check the dates, the news of 6000MW capacity is from today whilst the link you posted says 1st May. I hope you'd be able to make sound deductions from that.

if naija should have 24 hrs light today dere will b @ least 2 shops in front of every house. d economy will boom like mad and d haters uh uh uh uh uh I reserve my comment till d light comes

aresa:



LG level sounds good to me and in case of other states, they should do whatever helps their local situations...

National grid is ok for some kind of back up, but definitely not as primary system. In case of war with any other nation God forbid, they are going after your main or central transmission system to keep you in darkness, but with microgrids, they'll have to bomb out the whole country to knock you off completely...

Of course it has to serve as backup. That is why i propose focusing less on the national grid and pay more attention to local generations. But it still has a role to play.

Lovely arguments here. I'm glad nairaland is getting more and more intellectual these days. Like i said before, a hybrid model is the way forward. Keep the national grid in place but encourage massive construction of modular power stations everywhere. ..

Expressing his reservations over the inability of state governments to generate its own power, Fashola said, “it is bad enough that we don’t generate our own electricity, the public power is 12. 75k per kilowatts per hour, but we are generating our power at sometimes four or five times more than that.” According to him,”in Magodo for example, they spend N8million a day in the whole estate on diesel, when it should have cost them just about N2 million public power.

Even Lekki spends about N12m a day, when it should have cost them about N3million a day. So these are the numbers we are seeing.

So, instead of the folks in Magodo running their own generators independently, still suffer blackouts and still pay PCHN, why not just build or set up their own power system and utility company since it's cheaper and more effective.

Ibisko04, what does distribution which makes those willing to generate power have problems with the FG, which exclusively has the sole right to distribute? Is it when it involves exporting the generated power outside a state?

gists:

Does it also make sense for someone in Ikeja to keep sleeping in darkness while there is excess power in Afam in Rivers state that cannot be pushed to national grid? better still, does it makes sense for someone in Mowe/Ibafo to be sleeping in darkness while their is power in Berger simply because we refuse to make room for that flexibility? What happens to the idea of the DISCO serving Berger to sell power to the DISCO serving Mowe?
Having said that, I am 100% for decentralization (generating power nearby to the people that need it), but I also believe flexibility and robustness should not be thrown out of the window.

The so-called nation grid can not serve the whole country. This is the reason we have IPPs. What business does, the Olorunshogo Plant in Ogun State for example, have in giving power to Port Harcourt? Consider the distance and the MW. Distribution should be taken from the exclusive list and put in the concurrent or residual list. The just built IPPs should be acquired by the states that don't have their own IPPs.