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ayoku777:


Learn to study the bible and not just read it.

If you had studied that passage you would have discovered that the greek word translated "hell" there is the word "gehenna" which is the place of final damnation that unbelievers will go to after resurrection. It is different from hades. People enter gehenna with their souls and bodies after resurrection.

Two greek words are translated hell in the new testament: Hades and Gehenna [color=#990000][/color]

Hades: The place where the souls of unbelievers go to after they die. Only souls go to hades. The body is buried in the grave (mnemeion) while the soul goes to hell (hades)

Gehenna: This is the place of torment and final destruction; it is also the place called the "Lake of fire". Nobody is in gehenna yet. Sinners will go to gehenna after the final resurrection. And they will enter with their soul and bodies.

God bless.

You are apparently unaware of the original meanings of the words you defined.

Do your research properly.

Naital:


You are apparently unaware of the original meanings of the words you defined.

Do your research properly.

Lols , dont mind that man , infact i cant just stop laughin when i discovered that the gehenna he is talkin about is actually the Place Called valley of hinnom in Jerusalem .

Some people are just brainwashed

MizJanet:


Lols , dont mind that man , infact i cant just stop laughin when i discovered that the gehenna he is talkin about is actually the Place Called valley of hinnom in Jerusalem .

Some people are just brainwashed

Bible Lexicon "Outline of Biblical Usage"

1. Hell, also called Hell fire; is the place of the future punishment called "Gehenna" or "Gehenna of fire". This was originally the valley of Hinnom, south of Jerusalem, where the filth and dead animals of the city were cast out and burned; it became a fitting symbol of the wicked and their future destruction.

As I said; Study, don't just read.

Naital:


You are apparently unaware of the original meanings of the words you defined.

Do your research properly.

How about you show me your research findings and we can begin from there.

Its very easy to tell others to go do research without you disproving what was said with scriptures and bible passages.

ayoku777:


Bible Lexicon "Outline of Biblical Usage"

1. Hell, also called Hell fire; is the place of the future punishment called "Gehenna" or "Gehenna of fire". This was originally the valley of Hinnom, south of Jerusalem, where the filth and dead animals of the city were cast out and burned;

Very good . Hope you can see its actually a geographical location on planet earth. CONTRARY to d rubbish u said before that its a place where sinners go after resurection .

That moment when we teach churchgoers their own book .

it became a fitting symbol of the wicked and their future destruction.

Pls, what is destruction ? Another contradiction to eternal hell here
again

Answer: what is Des- truc- tion ?

MizJanet:


Very good . Hope you can see its actually a geographical location on planet earth. CONTRARY to d rubbish u said before that its a place where sinners go after resurection .

That moment when we teach churchgoers their own book .

Nawa o.

I'm talking of Christ's use of the term "gehenna" as against the other word "hades".

Go to the bible and see how Jesus used the term "gehenna". Was He talking about its physical geographical location or its symbolic description of future lake of fire?

Its looking more like you just enjoy comments on your thread, so you disagree to keep the argument open and the comments coming.

ayoku777:


Nawa o.

I'm talking of Christ's use of the term "gehenna" as against the other word "hades".

Go to the bible and see how Jesus used the term "gehenna". Was He talking about its physical geographical location or its symbolic description of future lake of fire?

Its looking more like you just enjoy comments on your thread, so you disagree to keep the argument open and the comments coming.

You are really derailin this thread . TWO THINGS HAVE BEEN CONFIRMED

1. The use of hell in your bible in matt 10:28 is forgery , which u testify to as true forgery leading you to digging out the greek words . You wont have done this if the english is NOT edited

2. Even when you dig out the greek , you FINALLY testify that it symbolize destruction. And everyone knows when something is destroyed, it comes to an end CONTRARY to the never ending life in hell garbage shouted at the pulpit . Thanks .


Signed: mizjanet ,

MizJanet:


You are really derailin this thread . TWO THINGS HAVE BEEN CONFIRMED

1. The use of hell in your bible in matt 10:28 is forgery , which u testify to as true forgery leading you to digging out the greek words . You wont have done this if the english is NOT edited

Matthew 10v28 -And fear not them which the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him (God) which is able to bestroy both soul and body in GEHENNA.

If Jesus was talking about "gehenna" in terms of a physical geographical location, would He make this statement?

Can't a human being take another human being to the valley of Hinnom and burn his body there? Why would Jesus imply only God can destroy a soul and body in gehenna?

Ofcourse, it's because Jesus is not talking about "gehenna" in terms of a physical geographical location but "gehenna" in terms of the future lake of fire. That is the gehenna that only God can take a man to.

That is the term of usage in which I'm defining gehenna. The term in which Christ Himself used it in His teaching -as a future lake of fire.

MizJanet:
2. Even when you dig out the greek , you FINALLY testify that it symbolize destruction. And everyone knows when something is destroyed, it comes to an end CONTRARY to the never ending life in hell garbage shouted at the pulpit . Thanks .

Signed: mizjanet ,

Hope you also realise that the lake of fire is also called "The second death" ?

Rev 20v14 -And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

I'm sure you will want to say again that "everyone knows that when something dies it comes to an end."

That is to tell you that according to scriptural usage, eternal separation from God in the lake of fire is death and destruction; even if they live on.

Matthew 26v46 -And these shall go into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Everlasting punishment and eternal separation from God in the lake of fire is death and destruction even if the people live on.

Use biblical usage to explain biblical terms. That's the problem you're having. That death means cessation of life in the dictionary, does not mean that's its biblical usage. A person conscious and animate can be said to be dead in scriptural usage.

Use biblical usage to explain biblical terms.

Shalom.

Nobody is dull here , keep your indoctrinated shit to yourself . Lets keep exposing you

ayoku777:


Matthew 10v28 -And fear not them which the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him (God) which is able to bestroy both soul and body in GEHENNA.

If Jesus was talking about "gehenna" in terms of a physical geographical location, would He make this statement?

Can't a human being take another human being to the valley of Hinnom and burn his body there? Why would Jesus imply only God can destroy a soul and body in gehenna?

Ofcourse, it's because Jesus is not talking about "gehenna" in terms of a physical geographical location but "gehenna" in terms of the future lake of fire. That is the gehenna that only God can take a man to.

That is the term of usage in which I'm defining gehenna. The term in which Christ Himself used it in His teaching -as a future lake of fire.

, you are no more using hell in that verse; its now "gehenna" , HELL FORGERY CONFIRMED

Hope you also realise that the lake of fire is also called "The second death" ?

Rev 20v14 -And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

I'm sure you will want to say again that "everyone knows that when something dies it comes to an end."

That is to tell you that according to scriptural usage, eternal separation from God in the lake of fire is death and destruction; even if they live on.

Mr dictionary is not biblical

So when death was cast into lake of fire it lives on ?

LET YOUR OWN BIBLE DISQUALIFY YOU
explained:

"death is no more" Rev 21:4, when something is no more , does it continue to exist dictionary vindicated ! Very clear

Matthew 26v46 -And these shall go into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Everlasting punishment and eternal separation from God in the lake of fire is death and destruction even if the people live on.

Who tell u the people who suffer DEATH and Destructon live on? Very illogical and infact Acordin to ur religious book Cities of Sodom and Gomorah came to an end till today ! What hapen ? " those cities suffer the purnisment of everlasting fire " jude 7.

Let me laugh a little ! Pls dose cities still dey burn , it means they came to an end.

Use biblical usage to explain biblical terms. That's the problem you're having. That death means cessation of life in the dictionary, does not mean that's its biblical usage. A person conscious and animate can be said to be dead in scriptural usage.

Use biblical usage to explain biblical terms.

Shalom.

Thread vindicated already. cleared.

Signed: mizJanet

MizJanet:
Mr dictionary is not biblical

So when death was cast into lake of fire it lives on ?

LET YOUR OWN BIBLE DISQUALIFY YOU
explained:

"death is no more" Rev 21:4, when something is no more , does it continue to exist dictionary vindicated ! Very clear


Who tell u the people who suffer DEATH and Destructon live on? Very illogical and infact Acordin to ur religious book Cities of Sodom and Gomorah came to an end till today ! What hapen ? " those cities suffer the purnisment of everlasting fire " jude 7.

Let me laugh a little ! Pls dose cities still dey burn , it means they came to an end.


Thread vindicated already. cleared.

Signed: mizJanet

Does the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrha also mean the cessation of their existence?

I told you that destruction does not mean the cessation of existence. According to Jesus and the bible, Sodom and Gomorrah still exists spiritually.

Jesus said this;

Matthew 10v15 -Verily I say unto you, it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of Judgment, than for that city.

How can judgment be tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha on judgment day if they no longer exist at all? How will God judge or reward a non-existing city on judgment day.

Look at another verse again.

Revelation 11v8 -And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called SODOM and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Can you see? That Sodom still exists as a spiritual city.

So scripturally, a thing can be destroyed and die and still continue to live on.

And secondly; the second death in the lake of fire is not the cessation of life. Let me show you a scripture that proves that:

Rev 20v10 -And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone (the second death), where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night FOR EVER AND EVER.

If going to the lake of fire means ceasing to exist, how can their torment last day and night for ever and ever. Can someone that ceases to exist be tormented forever?

The second death is a place of eternal torment. People don't cease to exist in the place of the second death; they are tormented for ever and ever.

And when scripture said "there shall be no more death" in Rev 21v4; it is talking about in the new heaven and new earth, not in the lake of fire. That's why the chapter began with; "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth" -Rev 21v1.

The verse four of that same chapter also said "there shall be no more pain". Ofcourse we know that there will be pain for those being tormented for ever and ever in the lake of fire.

"No more death or pain" is for the saved in the new heaven and new earth. For those in the lake of fire, there is death (the second death) and there is pain (eternal torment).

Death and destruction in the lake of fire does not mean the cessation of life or of existence. It is eternal separation from God and everlasting torment. Spirits never cease to exist. They live on; even in the lake of fire (the second death).

Shalom

ayoku777

Does the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrha also
mean the cessation of their existence?
I told you that destruction does not mean the
cessation of existence.

Those cities aint existin anymore , they were ' reduced to ashes' 2pet 2:6

According to Jesus and the
Bible, Sodom and Gomorrah still exists spiritually.
Jesus said this;
Matthew 10v15 -Verily I say unto you, it shall be more
tolerable for the land of
Sodom and Gomorrha in the
day of Judgment, than for that city.
How can judgment be tolerable for Sodom and
Gomorrha on judgment day if they no longer exist at
all? How will God judge or reward a non-existing city
on judgment day.

So city will be judged , lol paris , london, abuja cities will be judged ! The buildings making up those cities will be judged . Very funny

Common sense should tell you that the sodom and gomorah in reference is THE PEOPLE LIVIN IN IT NOT THE ALREADY DESTROYED CITY.

Hope you know the religious bible establish it that "there is going to be a resurectio of the UNrighteous' ones - thats in act 24:15 , so those pple da once live in that city wil come out to live once again in resurection .

Look at another verse again.
Revelation 11v8 -And their dead bodies shall lie in the
Street of the great city,
Which spiritually is called
SODOM and Egypt, where also our Lord was
crucified.
Can you see? That Sodom still exists as a spiritual
city.
So scripturally, a thing can be destroyed and die and
still continue to live on.

" where their lord was crucified" was Jesus crucified in sodom or egypt ? I cant stop laughin at how you religious folks just uote things without checkin the context

Babylon exist in revelation ,its mere symbolic , the real babylon was conquered by cyrus of persia years ago.

WHEN SODOM IS USED IT DENOTES A CITY WITH GROSS SEXUAL MISONDUCT . Even isrealites are called sodomites , thats in isaiah 10:1. Get ur facts right, the sodom you n i are talking about has ben detroyed to ashes many years ago. - bible talk am 2PET 2:6

ayoku777

And secondly; the second death in the lake of fire is
not the cessation of life. Let me show you a scripture
that proves that:
Rev 20v10 -And the devil that deceived them was cast
into
the lake of fire and brimstone (the second death),
where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall
be tormented day and night FOR EVER AND EVER.
If going to the lake of fire means ceasing to exist,
how can their torment last day and night for ever and
ever. Can someone that ceases to exist be tormented
forever?
The second death is a place of eternal torment.
People don't cease to exist in the place of the second
death; they are tormented for ever and ever.
And when scripture said "there shall be no more
death" in Rev 21v4; it is talking about in the new
Heaven and new earth, not in the lake of fire. That's
why the chapter began with; "And I saw a new heaven
and a new earth" -Rev 21v1.
The verse four of that same chapter also said "there
shall be no more pain". Ofcourse we know that there
will be pain for those being tormented for ever and
ever in the lake of fire.
"No more death or pain" is for the saved in the new
Heaven and new earth. For those in the lake of fire,
there is death (the second death) and there is pain
(eternal torment).
Death and destruction in the lake of fire does not
mean the cessation of life or of existence. It is eternal
separation from God and everlasting torment. Spirits
never cease to exist. They live on; even in the lake of
fire (the second death).
Shalom

Dont use religiously indoctrinated and unsound logic here , when somehing is no more it doesnt exist anymore . true

An example is this: if i say God is no more, what does it mean ? Oh ok am sayin God is not on earth but his actually still existin in heaven. WHAT AN UNSOUND AND CRAZY LOGIC THAT IS . Thats exacly what you are doing ,

When i say God is no more , am sayin he is not in existence anywhere. Thats d true meaning

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Back to ur satan tormented day and night forever in a vision with a wild beast dats also just symbolic, such a beast is not real ! Na visio tinz. ITS STILL THE SAmE picture of everlastng fire that destroyed Sodom to ashes, and the desruction is forever coz those cites are never rebuilt. Satan and his co-hort wont have an everlasting (neva-ending) life , which is a Gift from God, will they ? Start getting understandin .

An angel explained the meaning of being tormented to John in revelation 18: 21 with reference to babylon the great been burned, will you accept his interpretation of the burning and torments.

" and a strong angel lifted up a stone and hurled it into the sea: saying with a swift pitch babylon the great city WILL NEVER BE FOUND AGAIN" ,

Ezekiel 28:19 pictures the end of Satan

"... Your end will be sudden and terrible and you wil cease to exist to time indefinite" .

Clear .

;

Religion is indeed clueless , check the front page topic : if Christ is the only way to heaven, what about this people ?

MizJanet:
Dont use religiously indoctrinated and unsound logic here , when somehing is no more it doesnt exist anymore . true

An example is this: if i say God is no more, what does it mean ? Oh ok am sayin God is not on earth but his actually still existin in heaven. WHAT AN UNSOUND AND CRAZY LOGIC THAT IS . Thats exacly what you are doing ,

When i say God is no more , am sayin he is not in existence anywhere. Thats d true meaning.

God is omnipresent, so you can't use "God is no more" for such an explanation.

Try "My grandmother is no more". When I say my grandma is no more, I am talking about the earth. She is no more on earth; but she is definitely somewhere; because I know she has gone to heaven to be with the Lord.

So her being "no more" is relative to earth not that she has ceased to exist. In heaven, she is not "no more".

So when God said "there shall be no more death or pain" it is relative to the new heaven and the new earth. For those in the lake of fire; death (the second death) and pain (eternal torment) is not "no more".

Nice try using an omnipresent God to explain "no more". Next time use something that can't be everywhere, everytime.

MizJanet:


......................................o.................................
Back to ur satan tormented day and night forever in a vision with a wild beast dats also just symbolic, such a beast is not real ! Na visio tinz. ITS STILL THE SAmE picture of everlastng fire that destroyed Sodom to ashes, and the desruction is forever coz those cites are never rebuilt. Satan and his co-hort wont have an everlasting (neva-ending) life , which is a Gift from God, will they ? Start getting understandin .

Matthew 25v46 -And these shall go away into EVERLASTING (never-ending) punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

What is your own interpretation of everlasting punishment? Can everlasting punishment be meted out to people with non-everlasting existence.

You can't punish someone that doesn't exist or is dead. You can only punish someone that is living, animate and conscious.

If the punishment of the Devil, his demons and every soul that will go to the lake of fire will be everlasting, it means their existence in the lake of fire will equally be everlasting.

Shalom

ayoku777:


God is omnipresent, so you can't use "God is no more" for such an explanation.

Try "My grandmother is no more". When I say my grandma is no more, I am talking about the earth. She is no more on earth; but she is definitely somewhere; because I know she has gone to heaven to be with the Lord.

So her being "no more" is relative to earth not that she has ceased to exist. In heaven, she is not "no more".

So when God said "there shall be no more death or pain" it is relative to the new heaven and the new earth. For those in the lake of fire; death (the second death) and pain (eternal torment) is not "no more".

Nice try using an omnipresent God to explain "no more". Next time use something that can't be everywhere, everytime.

Failed logic to propagate lies , your grandmother is dead , she simply go down into the silence of death .

" the dead do not praise the LORD, nor do any who go down into the silence of death" psalm 115:17

MizJanet:


Failed logic to propagate lies , your grandmother is dead , she simply go down into the silence of death .

" the dead do not praise the LORD, nor do any who go down into the silence of death" psalm 115:17

MizJanet...you need the holy spirit to understand, don't blasphemy what you don't know oooh!!

MizJanet:


Failed logic to propagate lies , your grandmother is dead , she simply go down into the silence of death .

" the dead do not praise the LORD, nor do any who go down into the silence of death" psalm 115:17

Wong again!

According to the scriptures, when the saints die, they go to be with the Lord.

2Cor 5v8 -We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

See? To be absent from the body in death, is to be present with the Lord in spirit.

Another scripture.

Philippians 1v23 -For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:

See again? To depart from the body and from the earth is to go be with Christ. And last I checked Jesus is in heaven.

So to be "no more" means to be no more on earth or to be no more in a specific place. It doesn't mean to cease to exist.

Shalom!

ayoku777
Matthew 25v46 -And these shall go away into
EVERLASTING (never-ending) punishment: but the
Righteous into life eternal.
What is your own interpretation of everlasting
punishment? Can everlasting punishment be meted out
to people with non-everlasting existence.
You can't punish someone that doesn't exist or is
dead. You can only punish someone that is living,
animate and conscious.
If the punishment of the Devil, his demons and every
soul that will go to the lake of fire will be everlasting,
it means their existence in the lake of fire will equally
be everlasting.

Lol , always exposin urself .

The city of sodom and gomorah suffer the judicial everlastin purnishment too, what happen to them ? Those cities cease forever .

Grab the logic . ' life is a gift while death is a purnishment ' - Romans 6:23 very direct

Most European and American people are now atheist. They have a more natural/scientific worldview. With education and science, crazy and intolerant religious doctrines are on their way out. Atheism and paganism are on their way up.

Most people in the past, in Europe and Africa, were illiterate. So religion was more a tool of social control than anything else.

Since European and American people are now mostly atheist and non-believers due to science and education (becoming literate), there's no need to conform to the past religions of our colonial masters.

ayoku777:


Wong again!

According to the scriptures, when the saints die, they go to be with the Lord.

2Cor 5v8 -We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

See? To be absent from the body in death, is to be present with the Lord in spirit.

Another scripture.

Philippians 1v23 -For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:

See again? To depart from the body and from the earth is to go be with Christ. And last I checked Jesus is in heaven.

So to be "no more" means to be no more on earth or to be no more in a specific place. It doesn't mean to cease to exist.

Shalom!

And you think na ghost mode paul wan use reach heaven ?

Let him explain :

" that i may attain the earlier RESSURECTION From the dead" - philipians 3:11.

, he wish to go to heaven through ressurection NOT ghost mode filmtrick

And has the ressurection occur ? Answer me , keep in mind the popular 1the 4:16 or else u will blow urself up like football

davien:
MizJanet...you need the holy spirit to understand, don't blasphemy what you don't know oooh!!

Lol, davien i sight you oooo , imagine ur religious brother shout " wrong again" , that the bible i quote is not correct , his own is correct ! Bible contradictin itself , he admit it contradict by quickly shouting " wrong again" .

MizJanet:

And you think na ghost mode paul wan use reach heaven ?

Let him explain :

" that i may attain the earlier RESSURECTION From the dead" - philipians 3:11.

, he wish to go to heaven through ressurection NOT ghost mode filmtrick

And has the ressurection occur ? Answer me , keep in mind the popular 1the 4:16 or else u will blow urself up like football

And who told you that it is only after bodily resurrection that a believer can go to heaven?

The souls of believers go to heaven after death even before the resurrection of the righteous. They will resurrection bodily at the beginning of the millenial reign of Christ. But even now, they are in heaven with Christ as souls.

Rev 6v9 -And when He (the lamb) had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the alter the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

See that? These are the souls of dead believers under the alter of the temple of God in heaven. In the Holy place; at the entrance of the MostHoly place where God's throne is.

The souls of the saints go to heaven to be with Christ the HighPriest, even before their bodily resurrection at the millenial.

1Thess 4v16 talks about the bodily resurrection of the saints at the beginning of the millenial reign.

Shalom.

MizJanet:


Lol, davien i sight you oooo , imagine ur religious brother shout " wrong again" , that the bible i quote is not correct , his own is correct ! Bible contradictin itself , he admit it contradict by quickly shouting " wrong again" .

lol....are you new here?...I'm glad more female atheists are coming here...

davien:
lol....are you new here?...I'm glad more female atheists are coming here...

Is better male to go to hell than female, so MizJanet u are not wanted here.

menesheh:



Is better male to go to hell than female, so MizJanet u are not wanted here.

lol....better to have a lot of atheist chicks there than just guys...

davien:
lol....better to have a lot of atheist chicks there than just guys...

Badass, so that u will not feel the pain of the fire

ayoku777:


And who told you that it is only after bodily resurrection that a believer can go to heaven?

The souls of believers go to heaven after death even before the resurrection of the righteous. They will resurrection bodily at the beginning of the millenial reign of Christ. But even now, they are in heaven with Christ as souls.

Rev 6v9 -And when He (the lamb) had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the alter the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

See that? These are the souls of dead believers under the alter of the temple of God in heaven. In the Holy place; at the entrance of the MostHoly place where God's throne is.

The souls of the saints go to heaven to be with Christ the HighPriest, even before their bodily resurrection at the millenial.

Should i call this your attitude cluelessness ?
|. The event in that book called revelation is FUTURE (Revelation 1:1)

||. The event of the 7 seals is also future ( Revelation 4:1)

So whats ur prob ? Meanwhile if you are takin it literal it means souls are crammed under a literal alter. Be intelligent for once , the 4th seal says death rides a horse and hades was following him. Lol this is literal too

You still have a long way to go.

1Thess 4v16 talks about the bodily resurrection of the saints at the beginning of the millenial reign.

Bodily ? Vomit that shit . Nothing like bodily is found there , you purposely infer it to spread your lies

1the 4:15 says the dead are ASLEEP

1the 4:16 says they were resurected

Very clear and direct.
Shalom.[/quote]

ayoku777:


And who told you that it is only after bodily resurrection that a believer can go to heaven?

The souls of believers go to heaven after death even before the resurrection of the righteous. They will resurrection bodily at the beginning of the millenial reign of Christ. But even now, they are in heaven with Christ as souls.

Rev 6v9 -And when He (the lamb) had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the alter the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

See that? These are the souls of dead believers under the alter of the temple of God in heaven. In the Holy place; at the entrance of the MostHoly place where God's throne is.

The souls of the saints go to heaven to be with Christ the HighPriest, even before their bodily resurrection at the millenial.

Should i call this your attitude cluelessness ?
|. The event in that book called revelation is FUTURE (Revelation 1:1)

||. The event of the 7 seals is also future ( Revelation 4:1)

So whats ur prob ? Meanwhile if you are takin it literal it means souls are crammed under a literal alter. Be intelligent for once , the 4th seal says death rides a horse and hades was following him. Lol this is literal too

You still have a long way to go.

1Thess 4v16 talks about the bodily resurrection of the saints at the beginning of the millenial reign.

Bodily ? Vomit that shit . Nothing like bodily is found there , you purposely infer it to spread your lies

1the 4:15 says the dead are ASLEEP

1the 4:16 says they were resurected

Very clear and direct.

MizJanet:


Should i call this your attitude cluelessness ?
|. The event in that book called revelation is FUTURE (Revelation 1:1)

||. The event of the 7 seals is also future ( Revelation 4:1)

So whats ur prob ? Meanwhile if you are takin it literal it means souls are crammed under a literal alter. Be intelligent for once , the 4th seal says death rides a horse and hades was following him. Lol this is literal too

You still have a long way to go.



Bodily ? Vomit that shit . Nothing like bodily is found there , you purposely infer it to spread your lies

1the 4:15 says the dead are ASLEEP

1the 4:16 says they were resurected

Very clear and direct.

What has the event being in the future got to do with the fact that those are literal souls under a literal heavenly alter? The question is do souls of the dead go to heaven? And that scripture shows clearly that they do. Period!

And you also think souls need to be crammed under God's alter? Obviously you're imagining that God's alter and temple is the size of the alter of Solomon's temple.

The bible says Heaven is His throne and the earth is His footstool. With a God like that, the alter of His temple can take the world. Expand your imagination. Souls don't need to be crammed under the alter of God, it is big enough to take all of them, with room for many more. You're the one lacking imagination here.

And "bodily" doesn't need to be mentioned in that verse for you to know that the resurrection is a bodily resurrection. Every resurrection is a resurrection in body.

And it is bodies that sleep. When scripture talks about sleeping in death, it is the body. Souls depart to be with Christ in heaven as that verse in Revelation makes clear.

Souls don't sleep after death. The souls of Abraham, Lazarus and the rich man were not asleep. They were alive, conscious and animate even after death. Just like the souls of these believers under the alter of God.

Shalom.

MizJanet:


Lol, davien i sight you oooo , imagine ur religious brother shout " wrong again" , that the bible i quote is not correct , his own is correct ! Bible contradictin itself , he admit it contradict by quickly shouting " wrong again" .

MizJanet you are really destroying the arguments of the God-believers here! Keep up the good work!