Miscellaneous:
2nd speaker of funaab post your argument


nunushokoto we are waitinq …………

sammyscholar:
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sammyscholar:

Although, undoubtedly, our education system is degrading; but is re-introducing post UTME the way forward? Is it a well thought out policy/action? JAMB is not dependable they say; yet, no school would admit candidates who did not meet JAMB's cut-off mark even though they pass their post UTME. Just in 2013, BABCOCK UNIVERSITY asked candidates whose names appear on its admission list but failed to meet JAMB's requirement not to bother paying the university's acceptance fee. Some schools even go the extreme of increasing the cut-off mark that must be met by their aspirants to 250, 270, and even 280 as against JAMB's initial 180. And you say JAMB scores are bogus? For some schools to get their candidates' admission/aggregate score, they add JAMB score with post UTME score and then divide by "x"; yet, they say post UTME was re-introduced to fill the loopholes in JAMB when JAMB still, to large extent, influences students' aggregate scores.

pseudonomer:
[color=#006600]Every universities has their own standards, the Post-UTME can be a way for some universities to test their prospective students if they will be fit enough to survive the school workload. For example, JAMB exempt some science students from taking Mathematics in their UTME, Which is always part of their workload in the first year, the post-UTME is another test if the prospective candidate have the required knowledge of Mathematics to survive in the school.
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sammyscholar:


As obtained all over the world, school leaving examination is mandatory for all secondary school leaving students and it is the only certificate required for admission into college. In the case of Nigeria, candidates are further assessed by the Joint Admission and Matriculation Board (JAMB) through its Unified Tertiary Matriculation Examination (UTME) to ascertain their eligibility. There after, successful candidates (who met JAMB’s cut-off mark) are sent to their respective institutions of choice for admission. But, unfortunately, instead of a mere cross-check of aspirants' credentials to verify if they meet (and have) the necessary requirements for their desired courses, and giving them admission accordingly; they are further subjected to another hurdle, that is, Post UTME. And that is the crux of today's debate. Is post UTME necessary? Is it needed after all what students have been made to go through? No, it is not!

sammyscholar:
mathematics? We have plethora of Nigerian students studying medicine and all other science courses abroad and they have no problem dealing with all their course modules. Can you tell me which of them did entrance exam before being admitted? You and I know that they only admitted with their WAEC.

pseudonomer:


If you have ever applied or know someone that has applied to study in the US, you will know that admission process is a little bit tedious everywhere. In America, You need SAT, your transcript(almost equivalent to our O'level), and most Ivy league universities even required AP credit.

darrytoz:
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Post UTME, since its inception, has not been justifiable and should not be allowed to continue. Many students have lost their lives to ghastly road accident while traveling for the so called Post UTME. Many were denied admission, even after passing the so beautifully painted Post UTME. Our tertiary institutions have turned it to a money making enterprise and it has given corruption a more solid root in our already unbecoming education sytem.

pseudonomer:


Because the Post-UTME was not introduced to scrape JAMB UTME, it is used to "check-balance" the fairness of the exam, I mean to distinguished the those really pass JAMB UTME honestly and those who cheated their way through.

sammyscholar:
SAT is more like Nigeria's JAMB. After SAT, are students required to do any other exam? No! What is the purpose of Post UTME when jamb is enough to assess the eligibilty of candidates like SAT in USA? If you think JAMB is not strong enough, can it be refortified? Thank God for the introduction of CBT by Jamb. Examination malpractice will soon be a thing of the past.

pseudonomer:

The accidents is not an excuse to stop the Post-UTME. One can have accident travelling to the school after being admitted. The Post-UTME exam is not responsible for the accidents, blame it on bad roads and reckless drivers.

sammyscholar:
this, I would say, is a waste of time, reosurces, and effort. And I am even yet to delve into the issue of students that lost their lives in the course of travelling for the so called Post UTME. If I may ask you, which university would admit students that do not meet JAMB's cut off mark even if they pass Post UTME? Because u said Post UTME was birthed to check the fairness of JAMB.

Nunushokoto:
Network ova here is very bad

darrytoz:

Do you no that most of the student going to write this post UTME are moving out of their geographical location for the first time. They have no idea of the road network nor the drivers but going to write the exam at all cost.

darrytoz:

Do you no that most of the student going to write this post UTME are moving out of their geographical location for the first time. They have no idea of the road network nor the drivers but going to write the exam at all cost.

Miscellaneous:

I'm so sorry about that…… just do what you can

sammyscholar:
SCHOOL: The Polytechnic, Ibadan.
NAME: Sammyscholar
TOPIC: Should Post UTME examinations be conducted in Nigerian Universities?
STANCE: Opposing

Nigerian tertiary institutions, today, remained the most stressful, rigorous, and most tortures to gain admission into. Yet, they are no where to be found in the ranking of the best tertiary institutions in the world. Students do three different examinations - SSCE, UTME, Post UTME, (and interview in some schools) before being admitted into college; use minimum of four years in the college for a degree program (as opposed to three years obtained in other countries), yet, some of our graduates find it hard to cope with their counterparts from other colleges in the world. Why the misplacement of priority? Why focusing more on conduction plethora of examinations instead of providing quality, contemporary, and corrupt free education for students? Of what purpose are three entrance examinations when one or, at most, two is enough to assess the eligibility of students?

As obtained all over the world, school leaving examination is mandatory for all secondary school leaving students and it is the only certificate required for admission into college. In the case of Nigeria, candidates are further assessed by the Joint Admission and Matriculation Board (JAMB) through its Unified Tertiary Matriculation Examination (UTME) to ascertain their eligibility. There after, successful candidates (who met JAMB’s cut-off mark) are sent to their respective institutions of choice for admission. But, unfortunately, instead of a mere cross-check of aspirants' credentials to verify if they meet (and have) the necessary requirements for their desired courses, and giving them admission accordingly; they are further subjected to another hurdle, that is, Post UTME. And that is the crux of today's debate. Is post UTME necessary? Is it needed after all what students have been made to go through? No, it is not!

For the sake of those who are not acquainted with the Nigerian education system and who are following this intellectual discourse, post UTME is another examination done by candidates in their respective institutions of choice after going through the hurdle and hassle of SSCE and JAMB UTME.

Before I plunge more into details, it is crucial that nobility be accorded to whom it dues. And to this end, I say: good day to the grand commander of this platform - Mr Seun Osewa, the learned coordinators, relentless and meticulous judges, fellow wit and intelligent debaters, and the following spectators. My name is Sammyscholar, representing The Polytechnic Ibadan. I am standing to stage reasons why post UTME should not be conducted in Nigerian Universities, Polytechnics, and colleges of education.

Prior to the emergence of JAMB in 1978, all tertiary institutions in Nigeria were given autonomy to conduct entrance examination and admit students on their own. But along the line, it was discovered that the process was characterized by nepotism, favoritism, and all sorts of shortcomings which, invariably, led to educational disparity and inequality. So to address and ameliorate the unbecoming trend, and to ensure that all aspirants have a level playing ground and are admitted base on merit; JAMB was created and was saddled with the responsibility of conducting entrance examination for candidates into all tertiary institutions in the country. Candidates do not need to sit for any other exams after jamb - successful candidates are given automatic admission into their respective institutions of choice.

Surprisingly, in 2005, the long forgotten examination (which, then, was generally known to be unfeasible) was re-awakened again and was re-named to be post UTME. Some of the reasons clamored were: JAMB is no longer dependable! JAMB scores are bogus! UTME is full of malpractices! The crops of students admitted into our tertiary institutions are not sound so they need to be further assessed by the schools themselves! Our education is falling! We need to up the number of our entrance examinations!

Although, undoubtedly, our education system is degrading; but is re-introducing post UTME the way forward? Is it a well thought out policy/action? JAMB is not dependable they say; yet, no school would admit candidates who did not meet JAMB's cut-off mark even though they pass their post UTME. Just in 2013, BABCOCK UNIVERSITY asked candidates whose names appear on its admission list but failed to meet JAMB's requirement not to bother paying the university's acceptance fee. Some schools even go the extreme of increasing the cut-off mark that must be met by their aspirants to 250, 270, and even 280 as against JAMB's initial 180. And you say JAMB scores are bogus? For some schools to get their candidates' admission/aggregate score, they add JAMB score with post UTME score and then divide by "x"; yet, they say post UTME was re-introduced to fill the loopholes in JAMB when JAMB still, to large extent, influences students' aggregate scores.

While some candidates have wasted money on Post UTME and have been denied admission repeatedly [even when they meet all requirements] due to nepotism in favor of wards of some wealthy parents, some have lost their lives to road accidents while going to and fro for the examination. Post UTME has done nothing, whatsoever, to improve our education system; It has rather been successful in creating avenue for our tertiary institution to milk innocent candidates. They say Post UTME would salvage our education system from it current shambles, yet, nothing has fared better since its introduction in 2005.

News abounds of how Nigerian students schooling abroad are making ground breaking successes. If it is not in an American university today, it would be UK’s tomorrow. Of most recent is the news of a Nigerian student who broke the jinx of 50 years in a Japan University - he made first class. Most of them had their basic and secondary education in Nigeria and were admitted into these foreign universities "only" with their school leaving certificate - WAEC. They were never subjected to massive entrance examination before being admitted like we do in Nigeria, yet, they perform well.

What we can learn, and we should learn, is that it is not about conducting massive entrance examination; it is not about subjecting students to stress and hurdles before being admitted. It is about re-structuring our education system - from primary to tertiary level. Government should provide state-of-the-facilities for all schools and should ensure that all schools are conducive and enabling for students' learning. All instructors - teacher and lectures - should be re-oriented. They need to understand that their actions and inactions, to a great extent, have an enduring effect on the success and otherwise of students. They need to begin to teach/lecture with passion and should, at all times, be attentive to the plight of their students. With all these, I believe our education system would change for good.

Conclusively, the right way to getting the best out of students is not by subjecting them to massive examination; it is about providing an enabling academic environment where students can learn with comfort, passion, and with pride. Thank you.

REFERENCES:
1) http://.com/list-of-nigerian-universities-and-their-post-utme-dates-here/
2) http://mypastquestion.com/post-utme-dates-for-various-universities/
3) http://www.webpages.uidaho.edu/~mbolin/busayo.htm
4) http://www.ajol.info/index.php/jorind/article/view/66792
5) Oxford dictionary

pseudonomer:

This is no point. For example, one lives in Lagos and applied to University of Portharcourt. If there is no Post-UTME, one can still have accident on the road to school after being admitted to the school.

pseudonomer:


Yes, If one really deserves admission into the institution, one must have passed the JAMB UTME, but we both know most candidates employ unethical means to pass the exam. So the Post-UTME was introduced to sieve the qualified candidates from those who cheated. It will be hard for most candidates to cheat in the JAMB UTME and Post-UTME too. And most of the time, those that cheated are being "caught" in the post-UTME by not being able to pass the post-UTME.

darrytoz:

Based on the example you sited. If a candidate is admitted without going for post UTME such a candidate will have enough time to plan ahead of the journey unlike going for an exam were he/she knows not his/her faith.

sammyscholar:
only if you will answer me. If the so called Post UTME become vulnerable and bastardized as you said JAMB have become, would another examination be introduced again?

Nunushokoto:
Movement out of their location is based on their choice not the fault of the school because they knew what was at stake before choosing a particular school in their jamb form

darrytoz:

Based on the example you sited. If a candidate is admitted without going for post UTME such a candidate will have enough time to plan ahead of the journey unlike going for an exam were he/she knows not his/her faith.

sammyscholar:
only if you will answer me. If the so called Post UTME become vulnerable and bastardized as you said JAMB have become, would another examination be introduced again?

darrytoz:

And that is why am not in the support of post UTME because once a candidate is not subjected to another exam I don't see why such a candidate will choose a school far from his/her location.