lezz:
hey, kill yourself with this from the guardian and economist in the UK:Even within Africa, South Africa's growth – wracked by high unemployment and industrial unrest – is sluggish compared to many of its neighbours, and its crown as the continent's biggest economy is under threat from Nigeria.

A year ago Jim O'Neill, the global chairman of Goldman Sachs Asset Management who coined the term "Bric", told South Africa's Mail & Guardian newspaper: "It's just wrong. South Africa doesn't belong in Brics. South Africa has too small an economy. There are not many similarities with the other four countries in terms of the numbers. In fact, South Africa's inclusion has somewhat weakened the group's power. . One southie Zulu was even comparing India to south Africa. This article was written in 2103 before Nigeria bleeped you from the economic top spot.

Ok

So O'neil does not like the fact that RSA is in BRICS

Are we still a member? YES!

Is Nigeria? NO!

Argument over.

Patchesagain:


Yeah - lets just ignore all the dictators!!

Europe had dictators even up to year 2000

agaugust:


Europe had dictators even up to year 2000

South AFrica didnt

MikeCZAR:


The navy artillery includes a 76mm OTOMelera, a 76mm/62 super rapid medium-calibre automatic cannon, a Denel Land Systems GA35 35mm dual purpose automatic cannon and a SAN mk1 20mm automatic cannon.


http://www.naval-technology.com/news/news99763.html

Wrong information !

According to South African navy, you have old school 76mm compact guns NOT any super rapid that your money cannot buy !

OTO Melara 3 in 76mm/62 compact ; 2 Oerlikon 20 mm GAM-BO1; 2 - 12,7 mm MGs

http://navy.mil.za/equipment/patrol.htm

One OTOBreda 76mm/62 compact . One Denel DPG 35mm (twin).

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6524

Nigerian navy has 76mm AK-176 ultra-modern guns with superior range to Valour frigates old guns, our OPV will sink your blue water navy !
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MikeCZAR:
what is CRAM munition?

Something you don't have

agaugust:


Wrong information !

According to South African navy, you have old school 76mm compact guns NOT any super rapid that your money cannot buy !

OTO Melara 3 in 76mm/62 compact ; 2 Oerlikon 20 mm GAM-BO1; 2 - 12,7 mm MGs

http://navy.mil.za/equipment/patrol.htm

One OTOBreda 76mm/62 compact . One Denel DPG 35mm (twin).

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6524

Nigerian navy has 76mm AK-176 ultra-modern guns with superior range to Valour frigates old guns, our OPV will sink your blue water navy !
.

So San is paying money to maintain guns it does not have?

You opv will be sunk long before it gets into gun range

agaugust:


Something you don't have

Says who?

Patchesagain:


1. O'neil did not found BRICS
2. When was South Africa kicked out?

Lol, the fact that a major international bloc chose us and sidelined you seems to cause you such massive emotional harm that you are forced to litterally make sh1t up

was that why your president was inviting Nigeria to BRIC so as to cover up your hole and lapses.

Nigeria doesn't go about selling off to get international validation like south Africa.

MikeCZAR:
Jets to avoid detection approach at low altitude.

Naval warships of modern times have sea+air search radar, a jet at low level will be detected. Nigeria has such radars.

lezz:
was that why your president was inviting Nigeria to BRIC so as to cover up your hole and lapses.

Nigeria doesn't go about selling off to get international validation like south Africa.

Yadda Yadda

No one cares

agaugust:


Naval warships of modern times have sea+air search radar, a jet at low level will be detected. Nigeria has such radars.

Citation please

It seems you don't know about the "radar horizon" - low level flight reduces detection at sea and on land

MikeCZAR:
No.

You never know weather the missile is using its seeker or being guided by the ship's helicopter or warship its self.

Decoys are designed to confuse the missile's seeker.

Exocet is guided by seeker, fire and forget. Decoys defeated Exocet in war history.

Patchesagain:


Ok

So O'neil does not like the fact that RSA is in BRICS

Are we still a member? YES!

Is Nigeria? NO!

Argument over.

you ain't a member, you are a hanger-on. Nigeria has never indicated any interest in joining BRIC. WE ARE HEADING FOR G20 SOON. BRIC HAS FALLEN WITH THE COLLAPSE OF BRAZIL AND RUSSIA.

agaugust:


Even if they are insects being protected, South African homeland is invaded by American soldiers and mercenaries firing guns and killing those that SANDF + Rangers were unable to kill.

Your mercenary importation is legendary, SADF used 60,000 Angolan and 1,000 European mercenaries to fight Bush war.

Now it's American fire team of mercenaries on South African soil....or is that soil Zambian soil ? It's yours, Soweto nation
.

SANDF soldiers arent allowed on private land, how do you suppose the SANDF kill poachers on land they arent even on?

BTW your so-called Angolan mercenaries were trained and equipped by the SADF.

Patchesagain:


Citation please

It seems you don't know about the "radar horizon" - low level flight reduces detection at sea and on land

almost asking for citation when you have been thrashed out and taken to the cleaners.

Patchesagain:


Yadda Yadda

No one cares

better than denial

Patchesagain:


Actually, the frigates have a DUAL 35mm gun.

You said Shilka can shoot down falling bomb

Why cant the 35mm on the Valour class do the same?

#TrapWithinATrap
#InceptionTrap

I meant to say 35mm Denel gun.

1. SAN/SANDF has no CRAM munitions today

2. Your 35mm gun has use of ordinary ammo NOT CRAM, it is a dual purpose gun and is able to use both ammo, but since you have no CRAM ammo, it uses ordinary shells.

3. Shilka will shoot down a bomb anytime because it is 360 degree rotation/elevation/depression . Shilka does not need CRAM to shoot down a bomb, a bomb is slow, it's NOT a missile ! Nigerian shilka is radar guided so the radar tracks and locks on the bombs and uses 4 barrel fire, not 1 barrel, 4 barrels of rapid fire, hundreds of high velocity shells will blow up the bombs.

4. Valour frigate 35mm gun is not 360 degree rotation/elevation/depression because it is behind the ship and if it depresses too low it will hit it's own ship, if it rotates fully to the back it will be attacking it's own ship and blow up the valour frigate !

Your own 35mm gun is limited in capacity and needs the bomb to be exactly at a position towards the back of the ship or side ways also towards the back. Your gun is technically defective in operational positioning.


#Trap-Dismantled By Nigeria
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agaugust:


Exocet is guided by seeker, fire and forget. Decoys defeated Exocet in war history.

You mean falklands war?


Where 5 were fired and 3 warships hit?

lol - history tells us that you are wrong

mzilakazi:



Don't ever make noise about some certain four people who did not have any relevance to our army. Four people who visited SA at their own private affairs.


I can see that you have lost the meaning of mercenaries and do not know what does it mean. All PMCs contracted by certain military to help them or train them fight the enermy in the war is called a mercenary. Those four men were never contracted by our government and there is no war in SA. Sorry!!! you have blundered.

American mercenaries will NOT enter South Africa with guns and start killing of your homeland without government permit....unless South Africa is a failed state like Somalia where the government has no control.

Then according to your logic, SA government has no hand in the entrance and combat of American soldiers on your own homeland soil, that qualifies South Africa to be a failed state !
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lezz:
you ain't a member, you are a hanger-on. Nigeria has never indicated any interest in joining BRIC. WE ARE HEADING FOR G20 SOON. BRIC HAS FALLEN WITH THE COLLAPSE OF BRAZIL AND RUSSIA.

So you finally agree we are a member?

lol - South Africa is allready a G20 member

Patchesagain:


Implying GDP size is linked to relevance

Clown

GDP was important to all South Africans on this forum in 2012 when South Africa has the biggest GDP in Africa, you boasted about your GDP !

agaugust:


I meant to say 35mm Denel gun.

1. SAN/SANDF has no CRAM munitions today

2. Your 35mm gun has use of ordinary ammo NOT CRAM, it is a dual purpose gun and is able to use both ammo, but since you have no CRAM ammo, it uses ordinary shells.

3. Shilka will shoot down a bomb anytime because it is 360 degree rotation/elevation/depression . Shilka does not need CRAM to shoot down a bomb, a bomb is slow, it's NOT a missile ! Nigerian shilka is radar guided so the radar tracks and locks on the bombs and uses 4 barrel fire, not 1 barrel, 4 barrels of rapid fire, hundreds of high velocity shells will blow up the bombs.

4. Valour frigate 35mm gun is not 360 degree rotation/elevation/depression because it is behind the ship and if it depresses too low it will hit it's own ship, if it rotates fully to the back it will be attacking it's own ship and blow up the valour frigate !

Your own 35mm gun is limited in capacity and needs the bomb to be exactly at a position towards the back of the ship or side ways also towards the back. Your gun is technically defective in operational positioning.


#Trap-Dismantled By Nigeria
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1. who says we dont have cram

2. who says we dont have CRAM

3. dual 35mm has 2 barrels and is radar guided - so it can also shoot down bombs

4. If you are attacking from above uhmkonto range means that the bombs will be falling from above so the 35mm will be shooting straight up!

Hahahahaha

You have said for so long shilka can shoot down bombs that it is has come back to haunt you!

jln115:

Fvck you obviously cant read can you?

Fvck, you changed the photo and image, your first post showed boldly T-CRAFT....you liar fraud !

agaugust:


American mercenaries will NOT enter South Africa with guns and start killing of your homeland without government permit....unless South Africa is a failed state like Somalia where the government has no control.

Then according to your logic, SA government has no hand in the entrance and combat of American soldiers on your own homeland soil, that qualifies South Africa to be a failed state !
.

Private men on private land

Foreigners are allowed to work in the private security industry

agaugust:


Fvck, you changed the photo and image, your first post showed boldly T-CRAFT....you liar fraud !

Quote the post where he did that

Patchesagain:


Not wasting my time with silly arguments

I have shown that Warrior class outranges your OPV

Deal with it

At what speed? 3,600 miles at how many knots ?

You proved NOTHING ! Ranges varies with speed.

Show us the ranges of the Warrior and OPV at the same speed level, that is the only proof.

Your data was NOT comparable, the ships were rated at different speeds.

So you proved NOTHING
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Patchesagain:


South AFrica didnt

South Africa had a worse problem than dictatorship, Apartheid, the mass murder and dehumanization of the human race
.

Patchesagain:


1. who says we dont have cram

2. who says we dont have CRAM

3. dual 35mm has 2 barrels and is radar guided - so it can also shoot down bombs

4. If you are attacking from above uhmkonto range means that the bombs will be falling from above so the 35mm will be shooting straight up!

Hahahahaha

You have said for so long shilka can shoot down bombs that it is has come back to haunt you!

Bwaahahaha This guy does not know combat with heavy equipment.

Shilka is mobile vehicle, it can drive around to attack threat from any position and the gun turret is 360 degrees rotation and fire on the move.

35 mm gun on valour frigate is fixed and carrot move around, then it cannot fire backwards if the bomb is dropped in front of the ship, the 35mm gun will need to fire on the Valour frigate structures itself if it turns fully backwards to face the front of the ship !

Your 35mm gun is stuck, fixed ONLY at the back of the ship.

Next your 35mm gun CANNOT shoot straight up, the maximum elevation is only 85 degrees, it CANNOT shoot straight up, it must slant.

I told you that you know NOTHING about sea warfare.

See your Valour frigate 35mm gun photo below, when that gun turns fully backward to hit target, it will blow up the Valour frigate
.

agaugust:


South Africa had a worse problem than dictatorship, Apartheid, the mass murder and dehumanization of the human race
.

And Nigerian dictators lead to the actual death of over 1 million people making them amongst the worst of last century

agaugust:


Wrong information !

According to South African navy, you have old school 76mm compact guns NOT any super rapid that your money cannot buy !

OTO Melara 3 in 76mm/62 compact ; 2 Oerlikon 20 mm GAM-BO1; 2 - 12,7 mm MGs

http://navy.mil.za/equipment/patrol.htm

One OTOBreda 76mm/62 compact . One Denel DPG 35mm (twin).

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6524

Nigerian navy has 76mm AK-176 ultra-modern guns with superior range to Valour frigates old guns, our OPV will sink your blue water navy !
.

76mm super rapid naval gun. Citation provided.



Next!

agaugust:


Bwaahahaha This guy does not know combat with heavy equipment.

Shilka is mobile vehicle, it can drive around to attack threat from any position and the gun turret is 360 degrees rotation and fire on the move.

35 mm gun on valour frigate is fixed and carrot move around, then it cannot fire backwards if the bomb is dropped in front of the ship, the 35mm gun will need to fire on the Valour frigate structures itself if it turns fully backwards to face the front of the ship !

Your 35mm gun is stuck, fixed ONLY at the back of the ship.

Next your 35mm gun CANNOT shoot straight up, the maximum elevation is only 85 degrees, it CANNOT shoot straight up, it must slant.

I told you that you know NOTHING about sea warfare.

See your Valour frigate 35mm gun photo below, when that gun turns fully backward to hit target, it will blow up the Valour frigate
.

85 degrees is just 5 short of 90 (straight up)

You said that the planes will be flying above Uhmkonto range - so they will be above the ship and that 35mm can engage them

agaugust:


Fvck, you changed the photo and image, your first post showed boldly T-CRAFT....you liar fraud !

DUDE!! I told you to go on to the website and check it for yourself, the T-Craft specs were under the photo...you are now even using my source as part of your arguments, the funny thing is that you actually thought a small IPV had a range of over 3000nm, SO PLEASE tell me how am i the fraud?