Henry120:


1. The Half-French Rooivalk is an obsolete Helicopter flying on 30 years old computers. The Helicopter also holds the proud record of been the only Helicopter rejected by all countries it has been offered to.


2. You cannot build or design a Helicopter. You could not in the apartheid era, you cannot today.

1. Rooivalk is still better than anything you have.
2. We built and designed the Rooivalk during Apartheid - a domestic design and product

When you have:

a. aquired a platform with simular or better capabilities
b. developed ANY domestic weapons system with simular or comparable capabilities

I shall happily discuss the Rooivalk with you.

Until then, the matter is moot.

Henry120:


This isn't the case!!


One could almost have imagined President Jacob Zuma saying to the other African countries (Nigeria especially), “We’re the only country on the continent to build our own bad-ass ships. We’re the only country on the continent that can deploy soldiers and support aircraft anywhere on the continent. So who is your daddy?”

http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2011-04-04-rooivalk-the-next-generation-mark-1/#.VWL_NjPRY8o



This is a South-African newspaper, so un-professional, so obsessed with Nigeria.

The Daily Maverick (as its name suggests) is not a main-stream media outlet.

lezz:
we are doing great. Terrorism is a new menace the whole world is still learning to handle.

That's why the French government says Nigeria is in a position to teach the REST OF AFRICA.[img][/img]

Teach the rest of africa what?

How to succesfully host 2 different civil wars?
How to let pirates infest your waters?
How to have more dictators than elected presidents?
How to commit wide-spread human rights abuses?
How to squander trillions in oil wealth?
How to have some of the worst human developmental indicies of Africa's major countries?
How to have a population-growth bomb waiting to go off?

What?

Henry120:


South-Africa is the world's most un-equal country. With the 7% white minority population running 85% of the economy, with the world's worst inequality index,Not even Somalia or Afghanistan comes close.


The majority of your country men live no better lives than people in Burundi.


South-Africa was only picked because you were the largest economy at the time.

Aaaaaannnnndddddd yet

- BRICS *tick*
- G20 *tick*

Henry120:



2. You cannot build or design a Helicopter. You could not in the apartheid era, you cannot today.

Excuse me?

Henry120:


Buhaahahahahahahahaha........ so funny!!!

funny but fact!! Pretoria blamed the media for focusing on corruption and power generation, choosing to ignore the real work going on.

Today all of south African media are calling for stronger ties with Abuja as the power play has changed.

Again, a western diplomat has revealed that government in Pretoria are expressing real fears behind diplomatic doors while making congratulatory speech on the open. I have posted that excerpt on this forum.

lezz:
funny but fact!! Pretoria blamed the media for focusing on corruption and power generation, choosing to ignore the real work going on.

Today all of south African media are calling for stronger ties with Abuja as the power play has changed.

Again, a western diplomat has revealed that government in Pretoria are expressing real fears behind diplomatic doors while making congratulatory speech on the open. I have posted that excerpt on this forum.

1. Citation for ALL of South African media calling for stronger ties with Abuja
2. Citation for Western diplomats statements


South Africa does not give one single solitary fvck about Nigeria - as long as our buinesses are left alone we sometimes forget you even exist

Patchesagain:


Aaaaaannnnndddddd yet

- BRICS *tick*
- G20 *tick*

it doesn't change anything.
S.A isn't relevant anymore. Being in the G20 can't save you from free falling.

lezz:
it doesn't change anything.
S.A isn't relevant anymore. Being in the G20 can't save you from free falling.

Not relevant?

We are a member of BRICS and the G20

You are a member of no such organisations

It is clear whom is irrelevant

news.yahoo.com/xenophobia-row-exposes-rivalry-between-south-africa-nigeria-141027482.html[b]Nigeria overtook South Africa as the continent's
biggest economy last year after re-basing its GDP.
Pretoria said the numbers reflected Nigeria's larger
population and not the sophistication of their
respective economies.
"Despite what was said publicly, Nigeria's rebasing
was resented by the South African government," a
Pretoria-based Western diplomat told Reuters[/b][i][/i].

Patchesagain:


1. Citation for ALL of South African media calling for stronger ties with Abuja
2. Citation for Western diplomats statements


South Africa does not give one single solitary fvck about Nigeria - as long as our buinesses are left alone we sometimes forget you even exist

I will oblige with both citations and excerpts: South Africa's concerns are compounded by fears,
expressed privately by government officials and
diplomats, that chaotic, corruption-prone Nigeria
is unfit to assume the mantle of continental
leadership.[b]South Africa's pre-eminence in continental affairs,
and its membership of institutions such as the
G20 and Brics , as well as a potential permanent
seat on the UN Security Council, rests on its claim
to be Africa's largest economy.

[/b]www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-27885700


I just gave you your weekend pap of defeat.

Zulu, please go take a pap break.

lezz:
news.yahoo.com/xenophobia-row-exposes-rivalry-between-south-africa-nigeria-141027482.html[b]Nigeria overtook South Africa as the continent's
biggest economy last year after re-basing its GDP.
Pretoria said the numbers reflected Nigeria's larger
population and not the sophistication of their
respective economies.
"Despite what was said publicly, Nigeria's rebasing
was resented by the South African government," a
Pretoria-based Western diplomat told Reuters[/b][i][/i]. I will oblige with both citations and excerpts: South Africa's concerns are compounded by fears,
expressed privately by government officials and
diplomats, that chaotic, corruption-prone Nigeria
is unfit to assume the mantle of continental
leadership.[b]South Africa's pre-eminence in continental affairs,
and its membership of institutions such as the
G20 and Brics , as well as a potential permanent
seat on the UN Security Council, rests on its claim
to be Africa's largest economy.

[/b]www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-27885700


I just gave you your weekend pap of defeat.

Zulu, please go take a pap break.

I don't know why do you still make noise about G20 and BRICS.


South Africa is a member of both organisation and it will remain a member until thy kingdom come.

No need for useless talks.

Shut up and spare yourself energy because you might need it tomorrow.

lastly go and beg your President to join union of other countries so that you would not necessarily envy SA for the progress that they make.

Patchesagain:


Not relevant?

We are a member of BRICS and the G20

You are a member of no such organisations

It is clear whom is irrelevant

your qualification into G20 has been rendered irrelevant, overtaken by current happenings.

Your president will look like a Zulu clown sitting amongst G20 members when the true giant with a 170 million population and the largest economy and PPP plus the largest middle class on the contibent isn't there.

NIGGER , THAT'S WHY YOUR GOVERNNENT IS HUSTLING NIGERIA COME TAKE IT'S RITFHFUL PLACE BEFORE YOU ARE EMBARRASSED OUT

mzilakazi:


I don't know why do you still make noise about G20 and BRICS.


South Africa is a member of both organisation and it will remain a member until thy kingdom come.

No need for useless tçalks.

Shut up and spare yourself energy because you might need it tomorrow.

lastly go and beg your President to join union of other countries so that you would not necessarily envy SA for the progress that they make.

Zulu, you aren't intelligent enough to debate with me. You didn't even attempt addressing the vital point I raised that exposed your insecure and low psyche government that has been having Nigeria-fever since 2013.

Henry120:


1. The Half-French Rooivalk is an obsolete Helicopter flying on 30 years old computers. The Helicopter also holds the proud record of been the only Helicopter rejected by all countries it has been offered to.


2. You cannot build or design a Helicopter. You could not in the apartheid era, you cannot today.

I don't know what Nigeria had ever done? Nigeria has manufactured fokol (nothing) throughout its existence.

Like it or not, SA has manufactured Atlas Orynx and Rooivalk.

Henry120:


I feel a great deal of pity for you South-Africans, stuck with an obsolete Helicopter isn't really a fun place to be in 2015.


- The Half-French AH was cut because the Apartheid government could not afford them. Hence the order for 32 dropped to a paltry 12.

- The U.K, Australia, Turkey, Malaysia all rejected the Helicopter. I've posted sources which show these countries rejected the AH.

- In an open bid, any company is free to submit proposal. There isn't a law against that. However, the Turks wanted a Helicopter they could build at home, neither Boeing or EADS was going to provide that. So realistically only your Half-french AH and the A-129 were realistically in a competition.

The A-129 roundly trounced the half-french AH, as expected.


- Turkish rejection of your Half-french AH despite Denel putting all they hard into the completion is enough evidence of the A-129's superiority over the obsolete Half-French Rooivalk.



South-Africa did not build any Helicopter, so what should i be jealous of?

You Assemble a French Helicopter....... Congratulations, Nigeria also assembles and make components for Trainers and the A109.

South-Africa got all dynamic systems, engines, components , sub-components from the Super-Puma, aloutte III

The Half-french is an Obsolete Helicopter running on 30 years old computers.

The Rooivalk has 30 years old obsolete avionics.

It’s been given a slight upgrade, incorporating “modifications to the weapons systems, avionics and airborne systems”.


"The chief of the South African Air Force General Carlo Gagiano said, “What is new is the Mokopa missile, which was test-fired at the Overberg range"


The only thing new is the mokopa missile which the SAAF still hasn't ordered!


A 1970's mercedes can move from point A-B same as a 2015 mercedes, however this doesn't equate to them been in the same class.

reportedly hailed by all who have flown it. It is also ideal for operations in Africa.

But its avionics system, a magnificent achievement for local industry when it was developed and integrated in the late 1980s, is today as obsolete as a dinosaur’s brain.

This is a key reason in Denel’s failure to export the aircraft. No one will buy a warplane whose avionics system is based on 30-year-old computers.
.

what a knockout punch.

lezz:
Zulu, you aren't intelligent enough to debate with me. You didn't even attempt addressing the vital point I raised that exposed your insecure and low psyche government that has been having Nigeria-fever since 2013.

Don't you think all those concepts apply to you.

Look at how A-Darter's seeker head moves. South African engineering at its best. Others can only dream.

#EngineeringPorn


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyEVGiO5NZ0&feature=youtube_gdata_player

mzilakazi:


Don't you think all those concepts apply to you.

Lame.

Patchesagain:


1. Citation for ALL of South African media calling for stronger ties with Abuja
2. Citation for Western diplomats statements


South Africa does not give one single solitary fvck about Nigeria - as long as our buinesses are left alone we sometimes forget you even exist

Oh yes...... you do!! your news24 has a whole section dedicated to Nigeria.

If this isn't obsessive, I don't know what is.


You South-Africans can't just get off our D1cks!!!!

lezz:
Lame.

Are you all4naija by any chance? You have a lot of similiarities

Patchesagain:


Excuse me?

Where is the Helicopter(s)?


Your Ahlarc, or what ever it is called is a piece of metal everyday Americans construct in their back-yards.

Drone........ you want to brag about drones LOL!!!

mzilakazi:


I don't know what Nigeria had ever done? Nigeria has manufactured fokol (nothing) throughout its existence.

Like it or not, SA has manufactured Atlas Orynx and Rooivalk.

Nigeria manufactures,

Drones
APC's
A109 components
MI-35 hydraulics and electrolytes
MRAPs
Satellites
NVG
Ballistics vests
Ballistics helmets
Steyr trucks
Sino military trucks
IED disposal robots
Trainers .......... etc etc


The Super-Puma which SAAF flies and the Half-French Rooivalk are all French products, engineering and ingenuity.

South-Africa only copied and pasted French Helicopters, then proceeded to renaming them.

MikeCZAR:
76mm super rapid naval gun. Citation provided.

Next!

Your navy says NO, NO super rapid gun, South African navy is FINAL AUTHORITY on it's own weapons.

SAN officially says you have 76mm Compact old school gun on your under-powered warships

OTO Melara 3 in 76mm/62 compact ; 2 Oerlikon 20 mm GAM-BO1; 2 - 12,7 mm MGs

http://navy.mil.za/equipment/patrol.htm

One OTOBreda 76mm/62 compact . One Denel DPG 35mm (twin).

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6524

Patchesagain:


85 degrees is just 5 short of 90 (straight up)

You said that the planes will be flying above Uhmkonto range - so they will be above the ship and that 35mm can engage them

85 degrees is a slant, it is NOT straight, only 90 degrees is straight you fool

This guy does not even know basic Geometry, LOL....2nd bottom of the world South African brains

Your ships gun can only fire at a slant angle ! Simple matchs of 85 degrees geometry.....M0RON !
.

Henry120:


[s]Nigeria manufactures,

Drones
APC's
A109 components
MI-35 hydraulics and electrolytes
MRAPs
Satellites
NVG
Ballistics vests
Ballistics helmets
Steyr trucks
Sino military trucks
IED disposal robots
Trainers .......... etc etc


The Super-Puma which SAAF flies and the Half-French Rooivalk are all French products, engineering and ingenuity.

South-Africa only copied and pasted French Helicopters, then proceeded to renaming them.[/s]

None of those things are particularly advanced, and none fall within the gambit as an advanced combat platform.

You need to:

a. Produce a system with the same or superior capabilities as the Rooivalk
b. Domestically produce a system with the same or superior capabilities as the Rooivalk

And then I will happily discuss the Rooivalk with you.

Until then, the topic is moot.

Henry120:


Where is the Helicopter(s)?


Your Ahlarc, or what ever it is called is a piece of metal everyday Americans construct in their back-yards.

Drone........ you want to brag about drones LOL!!!

I fail to understand man who will always make noise about how other people could do this and that, yet he does not tell us what did he do. Tell us what did Nigeria ever design or shut up.

lezz:
news.yahoo.com/xenophobia-row-exposes-rivalry-between-south-africa-nigeria-141027482.html[b]Nigeria overtook South Africa as the continent's
biggest economy last year after re-basing its GDP.
Pretoria said the numbers reflected Nigeria's larger
population and not the sophistication of their
respective economies.
"Despite what was said publicly, Nigeria's rebasing
was resented by the South African government," a
Pretoria-based Western diplomat told Reuters[/b][i][/i]. I will oblige with both citations and excerpts: South Africa's concerns are compounded by fears,
expressed privately by government officials and
diplomats, that chaotic, corruption-prone Nigeria
is unfit to assume the mantle of continental
leadership.[b]South Africa's pre-eminence in continental affairs,
and its membership of institutions such as the
G20 and Brics , as well as a potential permanent
seat on the UN Security Council, rests on its claim
to be Africa's largest economy.

[/b]www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-27885700


I just gave you your weekend pap of defeat.

Zulu, please go take a pap break.

Neither of your sources claim what you said.

1. Where does it say that South African media is pushing for Pretoria to strengthen links with abuja
2. Where is this article about a Diplomat discussing "behind closed doors" policy in South Africa

lezz:
your qualification into G20 has been rendered irrelevant, overtaken by current happenings.

Your president will look like a Zulu clown sitting amongst G20 members when the true giant with a 170 million population and the largest economy and PPP plus the largest middle class on the contibent isn't there.

NIGGER , THAT'S WHY YOUR GOVERNNENT IS HUSTLING NIGERIA COME TAKE IT'S RITFHFUL PLACE BEFORE YOU ARE EMBARRASSED OUT

And yet:

We are a member of the G20 - you are not
We are a member of BRICS - you are not

That is all that matters.

Henry120:


Oh yes...... you do!! your news24 has a whole section dedicated to Nigeria.

If this isn't obsessive, I don't know what is.


You South-Africans can't just get off our D1cks!!!!

Mindless drivel from our resident South Africa stalker.

Henry120:


Nigeria manufactures,

Drones
APC's
A109 components
MI-35 hydraulics and electrolytes
MRAPs
Satellites
NVG
Ballistics vests
Ballistics helmets
Steyr trucks
Sino military trucks
IED disposal robots
Trainers .......... etc etc


The Super-Puma which SAAF flies and the Half-French Rooivalk are all French products, engineering and ingenuity.

South-Africa only copied and pasted French Helicopters, then proceeded to renaming them.

SA manufactures all that you have on the list and does it even better than you.

jln115:

DUDE!! I told you to go on to the website and check it for yourself, the T-Craft specs were under the photo...you are now even using my source as part of your arguments, the funny thing is that you actually thought a small IPV had a range of over 3000nm, SO PLEASE tell me how am i the fraud?

You are a fraud because you have changed the photo, that's why I showed you the first photo and bold name you posted is T-CRAFT.

Now you quickly made a new photo screenshot and posted Warrior class photo.

What you did before was to post T-CRAFT photo and name boldly and the data of Warrior class so tine and unreadable above it.

That was your foolishness not mine.

BTWN, what's wrong if an IPV has 3,000 miles range, anybody can built it if he has the engineering facility. How is that my business?

Fool....white boy with Zulu brain
.

Henry120:


Where is the Helicopter(s)?


Your Ahlarc, or what ever it is called is a piece of metal everyday Americans construct in their back-yards.

Drone........ you want to brag about drones LOL!!!

1. Helicopter is the Rooivalk - the focal point of your obsessions
2. Americans build AHRLACs in their back yards? Lol - because you say so?
3. Do you wish to compare drones?

I love how you ignored the missile's and Sarah