Leonidas1:

unfortunately, arguing won't solve the problem. But, here, i have a few words.
1. spirits don't only exist in the bible.
even before the emergence of christianity and islam in africa, our forefathers had always been inclined to spiritism. some worshiped idols carved out from stones or woods. others worshiped the gods and goddesses of the seas. and u know what, it actually worked for them!

2. today, people still practice spiritism all over the world. u know that, i'm not supposed to be telling u. if it doesn't work for them, they won't be practicing it? most times, sacrifices and offerings are made to appease these spirits.

3. Christians have come to believe that Almighty God is the highest among these spirits through the provision of the holy bible.

4. The bible states that God is a spirit, no eye can see him.

5. The bible also speaks of Christ, God's son, who came down on earth to atone for the sins of mankind by sacrificing his life. The existence of Jesus on earth has been confirmed even by non-Christians. Many other bible prophecies have come to pass, especially those related to the last days. We see them, we feel them. These prophecies were made thousands of years ago.

6 And so, we believe what we read in the bible.

frank317:


Actually, arguing with me can solve a problem.... It can help me help u realize how foolish your belief is.

1. Your forefathers believed in spriritism out of ignorance. Spirit worshiping and sacrifice didnt do any good for them. It didn't cure their sicknesses, it didn't help them come up with new technology. When the white man came with better knowledge thy abandoned spiritism and sent their children to school.

2. People practice spiritism and people also practice Islam and Christianity too. Some people call themselves God and it works for them too. Its called self fulfilled prophecy. People just look for reason to convince themselves that what they believe on works for them. It leads to delusion. Learn to depend on empirical reaserch and you will come out of that delusion.

3. And that's the problem. Muslims have come to believe that the Almighty directed them on how to reach through Mohammed through Koran. The same reason u think their believe is wrong is the same reason urs is wrong. Why? Becasue u just believe as a result of childhood indoctrination.

4. Ya right, the bible also state that God impregnated a virgin so that he could be born. It also said that God gets angry, jealous, regrets etc and act like humans, how deoes spirit act like human but is not human?

5. Some of my grandfather's prophecy came to pass too. Perhaps he is the true messanger of God.

6. I know u believe what you read. That's why I think u are lost. Do you think Muslims should believe what they read in the Koran?

johnydon22:
Lol. . . Dude above me, don't know what else to say... frank317 fire on, teach the young man some hard truths ...

johnydon22:
Lol. . . Dude above me, don't know what else to say... frank317 fire on, teach the young man some hard truths ...

malvisguy212:
see who is talking, do you even know the meaning of truth?

Leonidas1:


Child of iniquity! What's ur standpoint exactly? I'm yet to understand ur line of argument. Are u a Muslim, an atheist or just an anti-Christianity? You initially opined that spirits only exist in the bible and i gave u instances why u must believe in the existence of spirit beings: that spirits have existed even here in Africa before the white men introduced us to their religion. That aside, i also told u why i have to believe in the bible, a book written thousands of years ago by men inspired by the holy spirit of God. A book that serves as a guideline to those with wisdom and insight? The bible prophesied of earthquakes hundreds of years before the earth experienced the first earthquake. So tell me why I must believe ur undocumented, inarticulate and irrelevant hogwash instead of the bible?
What's ur issue with Muslims anyway? They believe what they believe and it works for them, must I believe in their own god too? Jesus! What kind of person is this?

Leonidas1:


Child of iniquity! What's ur standpoint exactly? I'm yet to understand ur line of argument. Are u a Muslim, an atheist or just an anti-Christianity? You initially opined that spirits only exist in the bible and i gave u instances why u must believe in the existence of spirit beings: that spirits have existed even here in Africa before the white men introduced us to their religion. That aside, i also told u why i have to believe in the bible, a book written thousands of years ago by men inspired by the holy spirit of God. A book that serves as a guideline to those with wisdom and insight? The bible prophesied of earthquakes hundreds of years before the earth experienced the first earthquake. So tell me why I must believe ur undocumented, inarticulate and irrelevant hogwash instead of the bible?
What's ur issue with Muslims anyway? They believe what they believe and it works for them, must I believe in their own god too? Jesus! What kind of person is this?

KingEbukasBlog:


ride on bro ... show them !

Leonidas1:


The bible prophesied of earthquakes hundreds of years before the earth experienced the first earthquake.

malvisguy212:
you see this thread ? https://www.nairaland.com/2291243/muhammeds-doctrine-sin-what-does
None of your muslims brothers were able to tell me how sin is being atoned for. You need a serious lessons on the purification of sin in Christianity.

Malvis, you have moved from robotic nonsense to professional lying

That thread generated 4pages, full of explanation from Muslims on your question. Yet, you're here singing your national anthem about Muslims not answering your question

Udasto even created this thread below, solely to answer your question...

https://www.nairaland.com/2305790/sin-forgiveness-islam#33603302

Well done, for cunningly dodging my question with this thrash!

vedaxcool:
If I were the op I will stick to where his core competency lies, i.e. lying against Islam and slandering Muslims than attempting to look intelligent!

frank317:


Actually, arguing with me can solve a problem.... It can help me help u realize how foolish your belief is.

1. Your forefathers believed in spriritism out of ignorance. Spirit worshiping and sacrifice didnt do any good for them. It didn't cure their sicknesses, it didn't help them come up with new technology. When the white man came with better knowledge thy abandoned spiritism and sent their children to school.

2. People practice spiritism and people also practice Islam and Christianity too. Some people call themselves God and it works for them too. Its called self fulfilled prophecy. People just look for reason to convince themselves that what they believe on works for them. It leads to delusion. Learn to depend on empirical reaserch and you will come out of that delusion.

3. And that's the problem. Muslims have come to believe that the Almighty directed them on how to reach through Mohammed through Koran. The same reason u think their believe is wrong is the same reason urs is wrong. Why? Becasue u just believe as a result of childhood indoctrination.

4. Ya right, the bible also state that God impregnated a virgin so that he could be born. It also said that God gets angry, jealous, regrets etc and act like humans, how deoes spirit act like human but is not human?

5. Some of my grandfather's prophecy came to pass too. Perhaps he is the true messanger of God.
6. I know u believe what you read. That's why I think u are lost. Do you think Muslims should believe what they read in the Koran?

9jaforlife:


Malvis, you have moved from robotic nonsense to professional lying

That thread generated 4pages, full of explanation from Muslims on your question. Yet, you're here singing your national anthem about Muslims not answering your question

Udasto even created this thread below, solely to answer your question...

https://www.nairaland.com/2305790/sin-forgiveness-islam#33603302

Well done, for cunningly dodging my question with this thrash!

malvisguy212:
how is sin being atone in Islam, a very simple question.

Sura 4:30-31, Whoso doeth that
(evil deeds) through aggression and
injustice, We shall cast him into Fire,
and that is ever easy for Allah. If ye
AVOID THE GREAT (things) which ye are
FORBIDDEN, We will remit from you
your evil deeds and make you enter at
a noble gate.


None of you brother were able to give straight answer to this question.

Clearly written, Allah will ignore small sin only if you" AVOID THE GREAT(things) which ye are FORBIDDEN" this is against the nature of holiness in God.

It's very funny you say that forgiveness is against the nature of holiness in God. But you think it's ok that god-daddy killed god-baby and used his blood to wash off the sins of christians who died since centuries ago and those yet unborn Weirdos!!

onetrack:
If this god just wants us to find him, he only has to reveal himself directly. No need to play games by whispering into the ears of long-dead men who called themselves prophets.

frank317:


There he goes again... See how u contradict yourself.

- God is spirit
- and anything spirit is beyond
- he has proven himself to us all.

UyiIredia:

It's not contradictory. In science there are things that can't be directly observed and yet we know they exist, likewise we might not be able to see God but we can be sure He exists. There is evidence in the universe that shows that God exists.

dalaman:


Which specific God out of the many, and how can we know it?

UyiIredia:


It's not contradictory. In science there are things that can't be directly observed and yet we know they exist, likewise we might not be able to see God but we can be sure He exists. There is evidence in the universe that shows that God exists.

UyiIredia:


God, as generally understood, the Creator of the universe. I don't talk to atheists on the God of a specific religion until they accept that God, as generally known exists.

UyiIredia:


It's not contradictory. In science there are things that can't be directly observed and yet we know they exist, likewise we might not be able to see God but we can be sure He exists. There is evidence in the universe that shows that God exists.

plaetton:


Until they Accept?

Accept in light of what evidence?

How is God generally Known to exist, and to whom? Sunday school children?

You should be arrested for your ignorant or deliberately dishonest misuse of words.

Ishilove:

See the kain questions you're asking by this time of the night...

Go sleep jor

UyiIredia:


God, as generally understood, the Creator of the universe. I don't talk to atheists on the God of a specific religion until they accept that God, as generally known exists.

9jaforlife:


[size=14pt] Liar! They gave you ample, straight forward answers. I think the problem is that you lack the ability to comprehend.

In U.dasto's thread alone, he mentioned atonement through-

Observing prompt and regular prayers, especially in congregation, which is many times better than prayers offered in solitary

Performing Hajj (or Umrah), which cleanses man of all sins

Fasting in the month of Ramadan

Reciting the holy Quran

Doing voluntary good deeds for which you have no punishment (for) not doing it

Directly asking for forgiveness of your sins with sincere intention and determination not to return to such sin

Very simple answers!! [/size]






[size=14pt] Yes, He will. If you avoid grave, forbidden sins and your good deeds outweigh your minor sins, Allah promised forgiveness.


The gravest of such sins is 'shirk' (associating partners with Allah), which is the only unforgivable sin in Islam.

Other major sins include murder, fornication and adultery, stealing, taking false oath, etc.

It's very funny you say that forgiveness is against the nature of holiness in God. But you think it's ok that god-daddy killed god-baby and used his blood to wash off the sins of christians who died since centuries ago and those yet unborn Weirdos!!


Again, well done for cunningly dodging my question with yet another thrash!
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dalaman:


Which specific God out of the many, and how can we know it?

plaetton:


If there is evidence, then why are we having this debate?
Can we see the evidence once and for all, or is it the smoke and mirror type that sunday scholars like you constantly pull out of your behind?

malvisguy212:
https://www.nairaland.com/1999485/all-religions-lead-god-one

9jaforlife:


Malvis, you have moved from robotic nonsense to professional lying

That thread generated 4pages, full of explanation from Muslims on your question. Yet, you're here singing your national anthem about Muslims not answering your question

Udasto even created this thread below, solely to answer your question...

https://www.nairaland.com/2305790/sin-forgiveness-islam#33603302

Well done, for cunningly dodging my question with this thrash!