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Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by Stillfire: 4:51pm On Jun 03, 2015 |
TV01: TV, TV, TV, if you men do not deem any role as superior or inferior, how many Nigerian men are willingly take on the so called 'feminine' roles in marriage? How many Nigerian men can wash their wives underwear, just the way she washes his? How many Nigerian men are willing to take on home chores? How many Nigerian men are comfortable cooking while their wives watch TV in the presence of their parents? I'm sure you are shivering in your pants by the mere thought. Female breadwinners are still finding it very hard to get it into the skulls of obstinate husbands that they should at least take care of the home. The Nigerian male believe those roles are inferior to a man. Again let's not feign ignorance here. On chivalry... if you had followed my various posts, I also alluded to that I'm not interested in that european chivalry. I find it weird African women claiming they don't want to lose chivalry because of feminism. I begin to ask myself which chivalry are we talking about here. Where we come from women serve the men. Culturally women are to open doors for men and go on her knees and say olowo ori mi, se o ti de. A wife is supposed to address her husband's people with daddy, mummy, uncle or aunty, now that itself is not bad, but to the younger ones as well. You are Yoruba o, don't pretend here. Anyway I have shown what chivalry means to the Europeans, it's left for you to list what being chivalrous means to the African man. Who is the African gentleman? Also notice in the European setting as well not all men could claim to be gentlemen. So what qualities separate from the average Nigerian man to that of the Nigerian gentleman. I need a detailed, well constructed list of what constitutes as the African gentleman. Oya start listing... I need about 50 points... Nigerian male code of conduct 101...tehehehe. I have one already... 1) He pounds the yam for his wife ... perfect chivalry there lol 5 Likes |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by TV01(m): 4:59pm On Jun 03, 2015 |
bukatyne:"Rights" are not something I actually think about, or consider the way to frame marriage. But no, my wife does not have equal rights with me - due to the fact that I have veto power . Polygamy denies women equal agency as it's not just the two of them in the union. Please read my "educative posts" more closely. Read them repeatedly like you are preparing for an exam ! bukatyne:Which is what I made clear to you in the first part of the post - feminism demands "equal rights" within marriage at it's core. The leaders are glaringly hostile towards it - even worse. bukatyne:Authority is what headship implies. I'll go with your answers. bukatyne:"Not knowing" does not mean I cannot probe and question or make a call based on my wifes superior knowledge or expertise. And if there is a valid consideration not satisfied, I can still veto. bukatyne:Please read the post fully. It is not necessarily about her or me, it's about us and our. Feminisms basic mistake is that it's gynocentric. In claiming to seek equal rights in marriage, it has now weighted it against men. Effectively causing men to turn away - harming them both. Thinking holistically for the whole, benefits the individual, thinking selfishly for the individual harms the whole - damn I'm good ! bukatyne:I am the head and ultimate authority (leader), but not the sole authority as in "expert". Read my post. It pretty much covers everything. A manager at work does not have to have the most knowledge before he makes certain calls - and these may override someone with more technical or expert knowledge. bukatyne:You like all my submissions ! My helpmeet helps me. Or else what's the point? She brings all her resources to the table. bukatyne:No, if my wife's position is compelling, I will say "I am the head, I think we should go with your very compelling idea. Well done mama " bukatyne:Merry-making & Mojo bukatyne:Asked and answered. bukatyne:Nope, I listen to her intently, but veto calls are made dispassionately. I'm a man. bukatyne:Those who truly possess and know how to wield authority do not confuse it with force and have no need to bark to wield it. bukatyne:Whatever the mis-application by people of the scripture, it does not warrant you resorting to the same tactics in reverse to correct. In the same vein, you misconcieved notions about authoritarian or dictatorial leadership do not colour it for all of us. I serve and set an exampe, I also lead. Don't cover-up the imperative to "lead". I not only wield authority, I continually demonstate that I am worthy of it. I was not joking when I said that my wife implicitly trusts me. Even if not to make mistakes - I am not perfect - it's certainly to have our family' best interest at heart at all times. bukatyne:You have the hang-up about authority and hence associate it with monstering. I am fine, as is my wife. In all you have finally admitted that the husband leads - totally contrary to the feminsist position. So I have no qualms. You may have to explain yourself to FrancisTony, who believes it should be completely egalitarian ! TV 3 Likes |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by Stillfire: 4:59pm On Jun 03, 2015 |
TV01: How isn't interdependence feminist? In relationships, interdependence is the degree to which members of the group are mutually dependent on the others. No one is being made to look less or superior than the other. Is that not what feminism is all about? What's the problem with the word Subservient? Is it not a synonym to submissiveness? Conforming to the will of authority? 4 Likes |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by Nobody: 5:07pm On Jun 03, 2015 |
pickabeau1:I don't belong to their group. It's their business not mine. |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by pickabeau1: 5:08pm On Jun 03, 2015 |
FrancisTony: Good.. so its concluded now that God is a HE 1 Like |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by TV01(m): 5:11pm On Jun 03, 2015 |
Stillfire:Ironically, no matter what you claim, that's exactly what it isn't in practice. It denies interdependance in procreation for one - reproductive rights are arrogated to the woman, at the expense of the offspring or male. And it has re-worked marriage /family law, so that it's now an unnatractive proposition for men. That is privilige and rights without responsibiity. Stillfire:Please read my post to Bukatyne above. The word "submissiveness" in Christian marital context means nothing like that. TV 1 Like |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by coogaluta(f): 5:12pm On Jun 03, 2015 |
More popcorn, please |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by kaboninc(m): 5:18pm On Jun 03, 2015 |
pickabeau1: FrancisTony: When I said FrancisTony has a problem, only coogar understands! 1 Like |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by Nobody: 5:20pm On Jun 03, 2015 |
TV01:One question for you; have you seen me dabble in marriage or advice any woman not to be submissive? NO! Well, if you've seen it, you can dig up the post. Marriage should be built on a mutual understanding/agreement between the two sexes and they should do whatever rock thier boat. No one has the right to call a man WEAK because she allows his wife to make her own decisions what shall it profit a man to go aggressive over petty things?. I only venture in hypocrisy of men, gender chauvinism, female stigmatisation et al. I have no business with feminism and submissive because i'm not a male. I can decide to stay celibate and no one will kill me. 1 Like |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by pickabeau1: 5:21pm On Jun 03, 2015 |
kaboninc: As in eh 1 Like |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by Nobody: 5:25pm On Jun 03, 2015 |
kaboninc:You better go back to chasing Sambarry and numerous female Nairaland monikers. Your promiscuous ilks aren't needed here. 1 Like |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by Nobody: 5:34pm On Jun 03, 2015 |
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Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by Nobody: 5:37pm On Jun 03, 2015 |
standd:Done. Don't mind him. |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by Kay17: 5:46pm On Jun 03, 2015 |
Darkrebel666: You did in your quint demonstration of how males are "more equal" than females due to their physical strength, mental fortification etc. 3 Likes |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by bukatyne(f): 5:52pm On Jun 03, 2015 |
TV01: So it is now equal agency (meaning) and not equal rights? TV01: I have equal rights in my marriage, no need demanding it I married well TV01: TV01: Na mouth you get. TV01: If it is not about you or her, why is there no equal rights in your marriage? It is about you both abi? I agree with you wholly that it is not about me or him, it is we, us, our family. Like I told DarkRebel, this is a forum for discussion so we jaw jaw about issues. You don't go about I have equal/lesser/more rights than you bla bla. We put in all our resources and take decisions based on the reality on ground. I am assuming a healthy home and all indices are open to all stakeholders. TV01: You run your house like your office? Those are two issues that does not gel TV01: Dream on. TV01: Now this is interesting. I think You are not sure Why the need for the applaud later, a soft landing? I should open a church; I am a prophetess. TV01:. Good one TV01: Do you know the meaning of dispassionately, even anger is passionate And this is very passionate even with the head nonsense: "I am the head, I think we should go with your very compelling idea. Well done mama " Even men who hate their wives make veto calls with passion (hatred) TV01: I am not covering up anything neither is mis-application of the scripture colouring anything. I got many advices I discarded because I knew they were not Christianly . I follow my husband's lead (how he behaves). It is right I treat him the way he does to me too TV01: LOL! You continually demonstrate you are worthy of authority aka earn it. Yet when I said men earn their leadership constantly (Heck The Trinity did and still do), it is like I was blaspheming Try not to prove your worthiness for one month and see the change (abeg don't try it o, I love hearing romantic stories) Your wife trusts you, that is the normal standard and it is earned by constant loving, leading by example and unselfishness and not because you are the head or ultimate authority. When you trust someone, even when that person errs, your trust/love is a basis for your decisions and thoughts. (I know my husband loves me but he did this because he is not perfect). I trust my husband very much too and I know he loves me so much so I understand where you wife is. You need to continually prove yourself worthy to keep her there. Having the interest of your family at heart helps make the best decisions for both parties TV01: Hang up about authority? No Associate it wit monstering? No TV01: A husband leads, I agree Your authority jugunu (which you have not proved, no) Besides, you said your wife is not inferior to you and you do not believe your marriage is completely egalitarian even though the headship/authority rarely crops up, then what is she? TV01: Just as we are one with Christ and the whole church being the bride of Christ (even though I cannot call you a co-wife as it is one bride), the leadership of a husband is not same with the world view of leadership. 1 Like |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by bukatyne(f): 5:57pm On Jun 03, 2015 |
pickabeau1: God is neither a he or she The spirit world is genderless... we cannot comprehend God as genderless and the male gender is used to denote him. Just how the Church is called she... Imagine reading 'it is the bride of Christ' This is not equality or inferiority or superiority and has no bearing to this discussion 1 Like |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by coogar: 6:09pm On Jun 03, 2015 |
kaboninc: the dude surely has a strange ailment! i cannot believe people are questioning God's gender. if God isn't a he, then what gender is God? she? very soon, these godless gits would claim Jesus was a woman with perky breästs! 14 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by pickabeau1: 6:10pm On Jun 03, 2015 |
bukatyne: Ok..if God is no He or She, why did Christ call him Father And what pronoun do you use with father |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by kaboninc(m): 6:16pm On Jun 03, 2015 |
pickabeau1: FrancisTony: Another one here. Chasing nairaland ladies? Would have loved to chase you. Just needed to be sure that you're not a female but a male. I sure do have a thing for damp guys like you. Ohh, you mentioned Standd...and she 'commanded' you to remove her name? Between you and I, you listen when I talk. Your logic here, on this issue, you really need to take a back seat and listen. Not contribute. 4 Likes |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by kaboninc(m): 6:19pm On Jun 03, 2015 |
coogar: They would also tag a gender to the Holy Spirit. My very interest here is on that boy, FrancisTony. His reasoning is just out of this world. Maybe in wonderland....I just don't know. 2 Likes |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by coogar: 6:19pm On Jun 03, 2015 |
pickabeau1: .....and why is Jesus referred to as the son? kaboninc: francistony is probably a hermaphrodite or someone whose upbringing was extremely difficult. 20 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by bukatyne(f): 6:19pm On Jun 03, 2015 |
pickabeau1: Sai! What part of it is a representation don't you get. Ok, God is a male, the Church is a female (afterall, na woman be bride) And pcikabeau1, you are a woman or are you not the bride of Christ? Male physically, female spiritually |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by Nobody: 6:23pm On Jun 03, 2015 |
FrancisTony: Thank you. I try to avoid dallying with some e-characters, by mentioning me, they will find excuse to come close, so it is not about you. Pardon me. 5 Likes |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by kaboninc(m): 6:25pm On Jun 03, 2015 |
coogar: Why did he come as a man too... coogar: That pun.k disgust me. 5 Likes |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by pickabeau1: 6:26pm On Jun 03, 2015 |
which one is representation.. stop prevaricating The church is a collection of people (both male and female) and referred to as a bride..hence a she..no issue there We are talking of God..should God be referred to as a HE or SHE or transgender? Simple bukatyne: 1 Like |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by kaboninc(m): 6:27pm On Jun 03, 2015 |
standd: Indeed! |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by Nobody: 6:29pm On Jun 03, 2015 |
coogar:I think that should be alluded to you and your fellow frustrated-male-association. 6 Likes |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by Nobody: 6:31pm On Jun 03, 2015 |
standd:Free the frustrated twerp coming online to fight with ladies. 4 Likes |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by coogar: 6:31pm On Jun 03, 2015 |
FrancisTony: no.... that description fits you aptly! i have never ever seen you make any intelligent comment since you brought your confused self to the forum. tell me about your upbringing.... i can bet my last penny there was no father figure present in your life during your formative years. 18 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by bukatyne(f): 6:32pm On Jun 03, 2015 |
pickabeau1: The genderlessness of God doesn't diminish his worth one bit Calling God a male does not also add value to earthly males The Church is a she? literally? I give up Your God is a male The one I serve is neither male or female else there would be serious confusion in the world. I am made in His likeness; my husband is also made in His likeness. 1 Like |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by Ewuro4: 6:37pm On Jun 03, 2015 |
Still on marriage... This is not difficult... It'll be hard being a True Feminist and a wife. I watched housewives of NY last night and just learnt Remona divorced Mario. Over 20 years marriage. Mario is just like any other traditional man. But Remona wasn't having any of it and had it to T. She wants to be free. Same with Bethany, and others. Look at Sex and the City part 2 , the acclaimed Carey Bradshaw soft pedalled to Mr. Big to remain married. There's no such thing as independence in Marriage. Samantha on the other hand is one crazy Feminist , She loves herself more than any relationship and I respect that. Hmm who else on tv , Beyoncé is a disgrace to the movement , she follows Jz like Mumu everywhere. Check FB and see public bashfest. So Frecoccoa , No you can't be traditionaly married (husband as Head) and be a Feminist. 3 Likes |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by pickabeau1: 6:37pm On Jun 03, 2015 |
bukatyne: Your issue is that u are just leaping Where was it said God is a male I asked what pronoun should be used to refer to God? Good u agree God is a He So why are Christian feminists clamouring for God not to be represented by He 1 Like |
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