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Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by johnydon22(m): 9:55am On Jun 03, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Is it possible to prove a flying blue pink circle square rabbit doesn't exist? That which has not been proven cannot be disproved because there absolutely is nothing to disprove. 2 Likes |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by 9jaforlife: 6:24pm On Jun 03, 2015 |
udatso: Wa aleikum salam warahmatUllahi my brother. Don't mind that Malvis guy. His words can never be taken seriously. Same goes for the rest of the bigot-bunch! They will continue to be exposed. May Allah judge them all |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by 9jaforlife: 6:44pm On Jun 03, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Pls read that nonsense above once more... Your first sentence says "Forgiveness [size=16pt] IS [/size] in the nature of God" Then, the second one says "it's NOT in the nature of God to ignore/forgive even LITTLE sins" ![]() Abeg, which school did you attend?? Go back and claim all your fees! ![]() Meet me at the other thread let discuss this. To listen to more of this cow dung? Bigotry is a disease!! 2 Likes |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by Rilwayne001: 7:04pm On Jun 03, 2015 |
9jaforlife: [b] He is a drop out, infact, he doesn't know how WAEC question papers look like. I've told him several times to enrol for adult education, but he wouldnt listen..SMH… 1 Like |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by Naital(m): 7:33pm On Jun 03, 2015 |
malvisguy212: @bold. Wrong! There are more than three dimensions in the observable universe. |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by UyiIredia(m): 9:42pm On Jun 03, 2015 |
plaetton: You misunderstand, many theists and deists understand God to be the Creator of the universe. 1 Like |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by UyiIredia(m): 9:52pm On Jun 03, 2015 |
dalaman: Many Gods violate Occam's razor, besides it could create the possibility of conflict of interest which would make God contradict Himself. |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by malvisguy212: 10:01pm On Jun 03, 2015 |
9jaforlife:you still did not understand it, do you? Do you ask for forgiveness after death or before death? I remember one proverb that say "it is too late to cry when the head is cut off" Sura 4:30-31, Whoso doeth that (evil deeds) through aggression and injustice, We shall cast him into Fire, and that is ever easy for Allah. If ye avoid the great (things) which ye are forbidden, We will remit from you your evil deeds and make you enter at a noble gate. This verse was talking about after life,judgment is there forgiveness after you died? I need quranic verse to support your answer. |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by dalaman: 10:05pm On Jun 03, 2015 |
UyiIredia: Oscam razor is just a postulation and doesn't apply in many cases. The greatest structures and systems we have around us were created by different men without conflict of interest. Besides their could be hierarchy among the Gods. You still haven't made a very clear case for the universe being the product of a single entity as opposed to many different entities all working together to achieve a common goal as we humans do. |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by malvisguy212: 10:08pm On Jun 03, 2015 |
Naital:I know of 3 dimensions of time and space. If you have any idea pleased shere, I am ready to learn. |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by malvisguy212: 10:11pm On Jun 03, 2015 |
dalaman:read the op. Your question was adress by the op. |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by dalaman: 10:30pm On Jun 03, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Just provide incontrovertible evidence that only one God created the universe as opposed to many God. Stop speaking long English. |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by malvisguy212: 10:50pm On Jun 03, 2015 |
dalaman:from the op: Polytheism is a belief that multiple gods created the universe. Even though this could be true, the universe is one. In fact, the word "uni-means one." There is only one universe and the entire universe is subject to the same laws and is connected to the whole. Therefore, it is more likely that only One Being created the one universe. |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by dalaman: 11:07pm On Jun 03, 2015 |
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Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by 9jaforlife: 12:13am On Jun 04, 2015 |
malvisguy212: 1 Like |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by Naital(m): 8:39am On Jun 04, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Oh yes, I'd gladly share... in as simple terms as I can conjure. It's good to know you have an idea of what the space - time fabric is. However, space - time in the simplest form is not 3 - dimensional, it's 4 (the three traditional planes x, y, z & time). Phenomena such as quantum entanglement can only be understood when time is seen at par with the other dimensions. This may appear counter intuitive, but experiments after experiments have proven this to be correct. As a matter of fact, the String Theory which was developed in the 1990s predict even more dimensions (which are so far yet to be experimentally proven). The LHC experiments which were started again yesterday deep under the France/Swiss border are part of efforts to understand more of this subject. When I peer through my telescope at Night, am much so stunned by how tiny we are even in the observable universe. The stuffs out there are not limited to three dimensions. (By the way I'm one of those very few Nigerians who care enough about understanding the universe to invest personal $$$ in telescopes). I hope my post makes *some sense to you. |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by McSterling(m): 9:08am On Jun 04, 2015 |
malvisguy212:We know this will never happen. A god who doesn't give a hoot about the children who die daily of avoidable causes, and the millions that starve and are disease ravaged, doesn't seem likely to write stuff "beside the moon" for us. BTW, shouldn't man's landing on the moon have been the grand occasion for god to show his face? Like Eddie Izzard pointed, "if you put them on the blue one and they made it to the grey one, that's when you f*cking turn up and say well done." |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by McSterling(m): 9:13am On Jun 04, 2015 |
johnydon22:Lol... a flying blue pink circle square rabbit ![]() |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by malvisguy212: 9:51am On Jun 04, 2015 |
Naital:am not a scientist. I read Einstein equation of general relativity which include space and time .Einstein did not say anything about space having more than 3 dimension, he only say space has 3 dimension and Time interwoven the 3 dimension. It was when he expended it and he added a matter that an ordinary eye can not see. Concerning string theory, as long as it has not be proven, no need to bring it up. |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by Naital(m): 10:08am On Jun 04, 2015 |
malvisguy212: I thought you said you are open to learning. Do your research properly, if you will. Perhaps you'll get a better grasp of what your interwoven space - time fabric is. I doubt how much you know of the theories you quote, like you said "you are not a scientist"; but I am. No need for replies, you'll get no more from me. Cheers! |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by malvisguy212: 1:25pm On Jun 04, 2015 |
Naital:thank you for your time. http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/are-there-more-than-three-dimensions/ |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by UyiIredia(m): 5:18pm On Jun 04, 2015 |
dalaman: Wrong. In numerous examples where scientific explanations has replaced religious superstitions on various phenomena (eg thunder, death of sickle-cellers etc) Occam's razor has been justified. There can't be a hierarchy where Gods still remain God, to be God you must be subject to no one else as an all-powerful being. However there can be a hierarchy of lesser gods with or without God. If you find it had to believe an obvious fact, in this case, God being generally understood as the universe's Creator your ability to adequately comprehend arguments should be doubted. |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by dalaman: 5:38pm On Jun 04, 2015 |
UyiIredia: Oscam razor alone wasn't used to replace religious superstitions but better and demonstrable knowledge. You are giving me YOUR OWN definition of God and trying to make it binding. God cam simply refer to supreme being or beings. Many people believe in supreme powerful Gods that came together to create the universe. You are yet to provide evidence to show that the universe was created by only one God. You are only stating it. If you find it had to believe an obvious fact, in this case, God being generally understood as the universe's Creator your ability to adequately comprehend arguments should be doubted. God isn't universally understood to be the universe's Creator. Many others believe that many powerful Gods created the universe. You are yet to counter that with incontrovertible evidence. You are only speaking English. 1 Like |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by UyiIredia(m): 6:02pm On Jun 04, 2015 |
dalaman: I didn't say Occam's razor replace superstitions. I said Occam's razor was justified by their replacement_with better knowledge as you say. The definition of God I give is present in lots of dictionaries, did you conveniently forget that ? Name one religion in which Gods (by which I understand many omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent beings) made the universe. dalaman: He is in and Christianity, Islam and Judaism which together constitute at least half of the world's population. Hinduism also involves a belief in a Creator God (or Brahman). I think you need to read up on so-called polytheistic religions. Many of them for example Ifa religion (which I'm familiar with) actually believe in a SINGLE Creator God who acts through lesser deities. |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by MeandSum: 6:06pm On Jun 04, 2015 |
malvisguy212:The burden of proof is on you. You're claiming 100% certainty so we'll like to see your evidence. Like the great Christopher Hitchens said "What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof" 2 Likes |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by MeandSum: 6:13pm On Jun 04, 2015 |
malvisguy212: actually, you are wrong. Some scientist think we have a multiverse or parallel universes. |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by dalaman: 7:21pm On Jun 04, 2015 |
UyiIredia: Hinduism. Brahma is a 3 in one God. other Gods are Vishnu and Shiva, whom are lesser Gods Brahma uses. He is in and Christianity, Islam and Judaism which together constitute at least half of the world's population. Hinduism also involves a belief in a Creator God (or Brahman). I think you need to read up on so-called polytheistic religions. Many of them for example Ifa religion (which I'm familiar with) actually believe in a SINGLE Creator God who acts through lesser deities. It is not by numbers, we don't need to dwell on how many but on how true. The God concepts by be monotheistic but they are all different concepts. A single creator that acts through lesser deities still means they all came together and created, some polytheistic religions believe in one Big God and other smaller Gods that carry out the duty of the bigger God. |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by mustymatic(m): 9:07pm On Jun 04, 2015 |
malvisguy212:The people who wrote the Bible neva met, seen, or talked to Jesus? Who are Matthew, Luke, Paul? Paul who? Matthew who? they don't even kno their Bible had anonymous writers wit no surname. they record "according to" even in d modern world it'll not be accepted, only Christians. . ... different versions, who wud follow that for God sake? ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by UyiIredia(m): 11:02pm On Jun 04, 2015 |
dalaman: Yeah, just like Christianity and yet Brahma is the Creator God. dalaman: No, a single Creator God means all the lesser deities owe their existence to God and are subject to His will. You ignore that and foolishly wave aside the importance of numbers to my point that God is generally understood as A Creator God. |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by dalaman: 11:13pm On Jun 04, 2015 |
UyiIredia: A big God using smaller Gods to create means , many entities created,(Like the Hindus believe) you are yet to show that only single entity like created the universe. By the way, the bible tells us how it's God supposedly created the universe, same with the Koran. Science has shown that the creation account in the bible for example is false. Christians now say it is an allegory. If the creation account in the bible is false why should any body believe anything else it says? Or accept that the God it talks about created the universe when we have him lying about how the universe came about in the bible? 1 Like |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by MeandSum: 12:53am On Jun 05, 2015 |
mustymatic: Paul never met Jesus. He never did. period! Mathew, that wrote the first book of the new testament never met Jesus. He is basically retelling the stories from Mark and didn't meet Jesus. The writer of Mark is not the same as Mark the Evangelist.The writer of Luke is not the same as Luke the Evangelist. All those books were written 30 to 80 years after Jesus. The only books in the bible possibly written by someone who knew or met Jesus is James, written by Jesus's younger brother James, and his And Jesus's 3rd brother Jude. that's it. |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by UyiIredia(m): 2:09am On Jun 05, 2015 |
dalaman: But could not create without God's will and so God remains the Creator. After all, a director is still credited with making a film even tho' many people helped. I've told you why God is a single entity. Many Gods (not lesser gods) is contradictory and Occam's razor is to be followed. That effectively shows why God has to be single. You are simply. To stubborn to see reason with that. |
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