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Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by dalaman: 2:50am On Jun 05, 2015 |
MeandSum: The books of James and Jude were both written in the 2nd Century by Christians and not the brothers of Jesus. Authorship was given to those names but they never wrote down those books. |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by malvisguy212: 2:39pm On Jun 05, 2015 |
MeandSum: mustymatic:The Bible is the most remarkable book ever written. About 40 men of several countries and many occupations did the writing. They wrote over a period of approximately 1500 years and in three languages - Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek. Yet the Bible is an well- organized unity with one great theme and central figure - Jesus Christ. All of this would be impossible unless the Bible had one supreme Author - and it did - the Holy Spirit of God. A. The Age Of The Bible The earliest portions of Scripture date back more than 3,300 years. However, its message has been fresh and relevant to men of every age and generation. Its pages are still producing new gems of truth, even to those who study them the most. B. The Demand For The Bible It is by far the most widely circulated book in the world. Since 1804, more than 800 million Bibles and portions of Scripture have been issued. These figures are from the British and Foreign Bible Societies alone. Every year more than 22 million copies of the complete Bible and New Testament are circulated around the globe. The Bible has been translated more than any other book. Each year we see an increase in the number of translations. The following figures reflect this steady growth. In 1500 A.D. it had been printed in 14 languages. In 1600 - about 40 languages. In 1800 - about 72 languages. In 1900 - about 567 languages. In 1937 - about 1,000 languages In 1970 - about 1500 languages. In 1997 - to date, at least partially translated in more than 2100 languages. (Wycliffe Bible Translators are currently working on an additional 1000 languages.) 3. The Uniqueness Of The Bible (This material and more information under this topic can be found in Evidence Which Demands A Verdict. Josh McDowell, pp. 16-25) A. Unique In Its Continuity - The Bible has an unique continuity when you consider that... it was written over a 1500-year period; written over 40 generations; written by over 40 authors from every walk of life including kings, peasants, philosophers, fishermen, poets, statesmen, scholars, etc.; written in many different places. B. Unique In Its Survival - 1. Survival through Time - Being written on material that perishes, having to be copied and recopied for hundreds of years before the invention of the printing press, did not diminish its style, correctness or existence. The Bible, compared with other ancient writings, has more manuscript evidence than any 10 pieces of classical literature combined. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by malvisguy212: 2:40pm On Jun 05, 2015 |
dalaman:no prove? |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by Scholar8200(m): 4:07pm On Jun 05, 2015 |
malvisguy212:Indeed! No Book has suffered such volume of multifaceted attacks and yet remains steadfast while myriads of its attackers , after serving their time on earth, were whisked by the cold hands of death to eternity unprepared. |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by malvisguy212: 4:12pm On Jun 05, 2015 |
Scholar8200:bless you my brother, I notice your effort here on nairaland, it was good, good to know someone is strong in the faith. http://www.godandscience.org/discovery/chapter1.html 1 Like |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by Scholar8200(m): 4:22pm On Jun 05, 2015 |
malvisguy212:Glory to God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ 2 Likes |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by dalaman: 4:40pm On Jun 05, 2015 |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by malvisguy212: 5:12pm On Jun 05, 2015 |
dalaman:so what your points?from the link you paste: The writer of the letter of James identifies himself as "a slave of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ", in much the same way as did Jude, who introduced the Epistle of Jude by calling himself "a slave of Jesus Christ, but a brother of James". (Jas 1:1; Jude 1) Furthermore, the salutation of James’ letter includes the term “Greetings!” in the same way as did the letter concerning circumcision that was sent to the congregations. In this latter instance it was apparently Jesus’ brother James who spoke prominently in the assembly of "the apostles and the older men" at Jerusalem. James and Jude was brother, agreed? According to you, which christians wrote it? Because the link you paste indicate there was disagreement between the author, so how do you draw the conclusion it was christians that wrote it? The link even indicate it was between James the brother of Jesus and the other disciple also called James or Jude and his brother James. |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by dalaman: 5:16pm On Jun 05, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Why are you being disingenuous? Why are you only copying and pasting the parts that you agree with? What does the link say about the authorship of the book of James? 2 Likes |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by malvisguy212: 5:18pm On Jun 05, 2015 |
dalaman:the bible say God was acting before the world was. Which other god make such claimed? |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by malvisguy212: 5:27pm On Jun 05, 2015 |
dalaman:The author of this epistle (letter) is James, also called James the Just, who is thought to be the brother of Jesus Christ ( Matthew 13:55; Mark 6:3). James was not a believer (John 7:3-5) until after the resurrection (Acts 1:14; 1 Corinthians 15:7; Galatians 1:19). He became the head of the Jerusalem church and is mentioned first as a pillar of the church ( Galatians 2:9). |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by dalaman: 5:27pm On Jun 05, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Acting where? Must any other God say the same thing? The Koran also said that Allah created the universe. All these are claims. Where is your incontrovertible evidence to show that the God of the bible alone created the universe and not Allah or Brahma? |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by dalaman: 5:31pm On Jun 05, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Stop being disingenuous. Here is it in its entirety Authorship[edit] The writer calls himself simply "James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ."[Jas 1:1] Jesus had two apostles named James, but it is unlikely that either of these wrote the letter. One apostle, James, the son of Zebedee, was martyred about 44 AD.[6] This would be very early for him to have been the writer. The other apostle James, the son of Alphaeus, is not prominent in the Scriptural record, and very little is known about him. Rather, evidence points to James the brother of Jesus, to whom Jesus evidently had made a special appearance after his resurrection described in the New Testament. This James was prominent among the disciples.[7][8] The writer of the letter of James identifies himself as "a slave of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ", in much the same way as did Jude, who introduced the Epistle of Jude by calling himself "a slave of Jesus Christ, but a brother of James". (Jas 1:1; Jude 1) Furthermore, the salutation of James’ letter includes the term “Greetings!” in the same way as did the letter concerning circumcision that was sent to the congregations. In this latter instance it was apparently Jesus’ brother James who spoke prominently in the assembly of "the apostles and the older men" at Jerusalem.[9] From the middle of the 3rd century, patristic authors cited the Epistle as written by James the Just, a relation of Jesus and first Bishop of Jerusalem.[4] Not numbered among the Twelve Apostles, unless he is identified as James the Less,[10] James was nonetheless a very important figure: Paul described him as "the brother of the Lord" in Galatians 1:19 and as one of the three "pillars of the Church" in 2:9. He is traditionally considered the first of the Seventy Disciples. John Calvin and others suggested that the author was the Apostle James, son of Alphaeus, who was often identified with James the Just. If written by James the Just, the place and time of the writing of the epistle would be Jerusalem, where James resided before his martyrdom in 62. The Protestant reformer Martin Luther denied it was the work of an apostle and termed it an "epistle of straw"[11] as compared to some other books in the New Testament, not least because of the conflict he thought it raised with Paul on the doctrine of justification (see below). Many scholars consider the epistle to be written in the late 1st or early 2nd centuries. Among the reasons for this are:[12] the author introduces himself merely as "a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ", without invoking any special family relationship to Jesus. the cultured Greek language of the Epistle, it is contended, could not have been written by a Jerusalemite Jew. Some scholars argue for a primitive version of the letter composed by James and then later polished by another writer.[13] the epistle was only gradually accepted into the canon of the New Testament. Some see parallels between James and 1 Peter, 1 Clement, and the Shepherd of Hermas and take this to reflect the socio-economic situation Christians were dealing with in the late 1st or early 2nd century. It thus could have been written anywhere in the Empire where Christians spoke Greek. There are some scholars who argued for Syria.[13] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epistle_of_James#Authorship 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by malvisguy212: 5:36pm On Jun 05, 2015 |
dalaman:on many occasion the quran indicate Allah is praying, to whom did he pray to? I created a thread about this and they deleted it. Infacte the quran does not say Allah exist before the world was. I need to see the claimed of the rest gods to know if they are suitable for the first caused, as in now, only the bible God made such claimed, he exist before the world began.even Jesus say he share the glory with the father before the world began. |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by dalaman: 5:46pm On Jun 05, 2015 |
malvisguy212: The Hindu creation story obviously states the same thing, it says Brahma existed before the world began. So what if Allah is praying to himself? Didn't Jesus whom you consider to be God also pray to himself in the bible? |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by malvisguy212: 6:13pm On Jun 05, 2015 |
dalaman:can you provide the evidence of this Hindu god? Go find out the meaning of prayer. Jesus pray because He is human.Jesus has two nature, fully God and fully man. God possessed the body of Jesus but the bible never say God override his human nature. Whenever Jesus pray or reffere himself as "son of man" it was his human nature. |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by dalaman: 6:22pm On Jun 05, 2015 |
malvisguy212: I am not a Hindu so I can't provide evidence to show that Brahma is real, where is your own evidence to show that Yahweh is real? Jesus pray because He is human.Jesus has two nature, fully God and fully man. God possessed the body of Jesus but the bible never say God override his human nature. Whenever Jesus pray or reffere himself as "son of man" it was his human nature. Jesus is fully God as you said , so that means he prayed to himself. QED. 1 Like |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by malvisguy212: 7:29pm On Jun 05, 2015 |
dalaman:you don't know anything about Hindu so you don't have to make case for their gods. your first claimed was "proved that only one God created the universe" and not about the proof of God existence. And I say ONLY ONE God claimed to have exist before the world began. Jesus pray does not mean God pray to himself. 1. Jesus has two natures -- He is God and man. 2. Each nature is full and complete -- He is fully God and fully man. 3. Each nature remains distinct. 4. Christ is only one Person. 5. Things that are true of only one nature are nonetheless true of the Person of Christ. The truths of Christ's two natures full manhood and full Godhood are pretty well understood and known by Christians. But for a right understanding of the Incarnation we must go even further. We must understand that the two natures of Christ remain distinct and retain their own properties. What does this mean? Two things: (1) They do not alter one another's essential properties, and (2) neither do they mix together into a mysterious third kind of nature. So when Jesus(human nature) pray, He pray to God. |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by Nobody: 7:53pm On Jun 05, 2015 |
Do u really want to see the real God? Open ur 3rd eye. It's in the middle of ur forehead. I have seen, interact, play, joke with gods not with my naked eyes but my 3rd eye. 2ndly we are God. Forget everything about religion it's just a tool to enslave and control u. Take your time to read my story on how I encountered the real God www.nairaland.com/2338294/must-read-why-how-became |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by mustymatic(m): 7:54pm On Jun 05, 2015 |
malvisguy212:NoO! Who are the authors? Check history they neva existed, hence the bible is nt the word of God. that's it. the most closest was Paul who wrote it 40yrs afta Jesus departure. And he was a bounty hunter who used to take Christians to Romans for slaughter and yet christians read n believ wat he wrote. Imagined Jews of today believin wat hitler fter slaughtering them. At once he began to preach in the synagogues that Jesus is the Son of God. All those who heard him were astonished and asked, "Isn't he the man who raised havoc in Jerusalem among those who call on this name? And hasn't he come here to take them as prisoners to the chief priests?" Yet Saul grew more and more influential and baffled the Jews living in Damascus by proving that Jesus is the Messiah. — Acts 9:20-22 His initial reaction to the newly formed Christian movement was to zealously persecute its early followers and to violently attempt to destroy the movement. Paul's dramatic conversion while on the road to Damascus was clearly a life-altering event for him, changing him from being one of the early movement's most ardent persecutors to being one of its most fervent supporters. Paul began to preach that Jesus is the Christ , the Son of God. So technically this paul, Saul of tarsus deceived Christians ... And by the way the Bible is full of errors n contradictions... So Paul Paul... 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by Nobody: 7:55pm On Jun 05, 2015 |
malvisguy212:can u just shut up? Jesus is the son of god /Jesus is also son of Man. Which do we chose? And christ is not a being. Christ simply means message 1 Like |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by mustymatic(m): 8:41pm On Jun 05, 2015 |
malvisguy212:Surah Al-Hadid. 1. All that is in the heavens and the earth glorifieth Allah and He is the Mighty, the Wise. 2. His is the Sovereignty of the heavens and the earth; He quickeneth and He giveth death; and He is Able to do things. 3. He is the First and the Last, and the Outward and the Inward; and He is Knower of all things. 4. He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in Days; then He mounted the Throne. He knoweth all that entereth the earth and all that emergeth therefrom and all that cometh down from the sky and all that ascendeth therein; and He is with you wheresoever ye may be. And Allah is Seer of what ye do. 5. His is the Sovereignty of the heavens and the earth and, unto Allah (all) things are brought back. 6. He causeth the night to pass into the day, and He causeth the day to pass into the night, and He is Knower of all that is in the breasts. 7. Believe in Allah and His messenger, and spend of that whereof He hath made you trustees; and such of you as believe and spend (aright), theirs will be a great reward 8. What aileth you that ye believe not in Allah, when the messenger calleth you to believe in your Lord, and He hath already made a covenant with you, if ye are believers? 9. He it is Who sendeth down clear revelations unto His slave, that He may bring you forth from darkness unto light; and lo! for you, Allah is Full of Pity, Merciful. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by dalaman: 8:44pm On Jun 05, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Brahma also claimed to have existed before the world began, please read a little about Hindu creation account. Brahma was in existence before the world was created afterwards by him. Jesus pray does not mean God pray to himself. What's the meaning of all this word salad. Jesus is God and he prayed to himself as a man. So Jesus prayed to himself. 1 Like |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:18pm On Jun 05, 2015 |
dalaman: Prayer is communication and Jesus praying is submission to God's will |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by malvisguy212: 9:32pm On Jun 05, 2015 |
] mustymatic: dalaman:Dalaman almost All the information you have about the christian God is base on your understanding of the bible,why? Because the bible explained the nature of God. And in the bible God also made a claimed which none other god made. Mustimatic. All the quranic verses you quote does not say anything about Allah exist before the world was, Comperd with this,the claimed that allah created the earth,other deity make such claimed but none claimed to exist before time began : No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory BEFORE TIME BEGAN. (1 Corinthians 2:7) This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the BEGINNING OF TIME(2 Timothy 1:9) The hope of eternal life, which God... promised before the BEGINNING OF TIME (Titus 1:2) To the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion and authority,BEFORE ALL TIME and now and forever. Amen. (Jude 1:25) |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by malvisguy212: 9:34pm On Jun 05, 2015 |
Mellin:Jesus is fully God and fully human. christ does NOT mean message, it mean ANOINTED ONE. |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by dalaman: 9:41pm On Jun 05, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog: But Jesus is God. So Jesus is submitting to his will. |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by mustymatic(m): 12:23am On Jun 06, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Surah Al-Hadid, Verse 3: He is the First (nothing is before Him) and the Last (nothing is after Him), the Most High (nothing is above Him) and the Most Near (nothing is nearer than Him). And He is the All-Knower of every thing. is it more clear now? nothing is before HIM...not only time 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by malvisguy212: 9:17am On Jun 06, 2015 |
mustymatic:and I repeat,other's gods also claimed they are the first AMONG the creation BUT none claimed to exist BEFORE the world began. |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by dalaman: 9:36am On Jun 06, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Why do you keep repeating this LIE? I told you to read about the Hindu creation story and see how Brahma was existing before all creations. Stop repeating this lie over and over again. 1 Like |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by malvisguy212: 9:42am On Jun 06, 2015 |
dalaman:I told you to bring the proof of their claimed which you couldn't. |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by dalaman: 9:45am On Jun 06, 2015 |
malvisguy212: The Hymn of Creation Another attempt at explaining the creation of the universe is found in the Hymn of Creation in the Rig Veda: Then was neither non-existence nor existence: there was no realm of air, no sky beyond it. Death was not then, nor was there anything immortal: no sign was there, the Day’s and Night’s divider. Darkness there was: at first concealed in darkness this All was indiscriminated chaos. All that existed then was void and formless: by the great power of Warmth was born that One. In the Chandogya Upanishad it says that in the beginning was the Brahman, and through heaven, the earth, and the atmosphere and the three seasons of summer, rains, and harvest he produced the entire universe. http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/gcsebitesize/rs/environment/hinduismbeliefsrev1.shtml 2 Likes |
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