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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 5:19pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
agaugust: Augustus. Do you wish to compare capabilities of the combat suite?? Age of upgrade is irrelevant - as we taught you when you bragged about "modern" radar on your F-7's (Which turned out to be ancient) |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 5:21pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
Henry120: Still posting the opinion of an anti-arms deal critic? Answer my two questions and stop wasting our time with these meaningless copy + pasts |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 5:23pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
Patchesagain: You already lost, the argument, you think FREMM is a destroyer, but it's a frigate. You know nothing about naval warfare, mumu ![]() http://www.janes.com/article/49163/egypt-to-acquire-fremm-frigate . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 5:23pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
Henry120: You are unbeleivably dense. You are posting the testimony from an arms deal CRITIC Obviously he will be critical Fact is the combat suite is good enough for the French and Saudi Navies Fact is that the requirements of the Valour class changed as the project developed. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 5:25pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
agaugust: French navy deems it to be a destroyer The category of vessel is largely dependant on the operator. Just like Japans new "destroyer" |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 5:28pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
Patchesagain: 250. To emphasise my contention that the final choice of corvette (or frigate) databus was actually irrational is borne out by a very recent opinion expressed by none other than Armscor and the SAN in their response regarding the upcoming acquisition in terms of it RFO EMTM/2014/109 for the SAN's new hydrographic survey vessel (HSV) : "It is to be emphasised that it is not foreseen that a SAN Frigate type data bus solution will be implemented onboard the HSV vessel. [color=#000099]This particular system can be regarded as being obsolete and is certainly not considered to be a cost-effective solution as any competent level 4 integrator will attest to." (my emphasis in bold text) [Hotel-01] 251. It is indeed difficult to envisage a more damning indictment of the Detexis Diacerto Databus than this by the very parties that were responsible for its acquisition.[/color] 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 5:30pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
Patchesagain: And he says it's from an arms critic!!! Armscor and CCII systems are now arms critics?".... LOL ![]() ![]() |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 5:30pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
Patchesagain: The French manufacturer that built the ship says FREMM is a frigate you dumbazz domingo ! ![]() ![]() http://en.dcnsgroup.com/news/dcns-over-50-combat-system-trials-performed-on-the-fremm-normandie/ ALL your arguments about combat suite is hereby de..molished , you know nothing about sea warfare ![]() ![]() . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 5:33pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
Henry120: Richard Young, who lost out as bidder in the Arms Deal, said an evaluation at the time proved that his company’s Information Management System (IMS) was better than the one selected for the navy's new frigates. Gee I wonder why he is critical of it? Anyway, they say that the DATABUS system is obsolete, not the combat suite as a whole In computer architecture, a bus (related to the Latin "omnibus", meaning "for all" ![]() So, can you please show us how the COMBAT SUITE is obsolete Thank you 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 5:35pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
agaugust: He is bragging about obsolete Frigates...... the Valour class are nothing but sailing rust buckets. The Ships do not even meet the users basic requirements. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 5:36pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
agaugust:Unoperational and obsolete. If Drakensberg is obsolete, then Aradu should in a museum. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 5:36pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
agaugust: French deem it to be a Destroyer Just like the Japabese call their helicopter carrier a destroyer In anycase, who cares? French frigates introduced when the valour class was chosen use the same combat suite French flagship uses the same combat sweet More modern Saudi frigate uses same combat suite |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 5:38pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
Henry120: Again, this is according to the testimony of a man who lost out to other bidders Obviously his testimony is going to be critical this is his opinion and not fact Most importantly: He is talking about the systems IMS And not about the COMBAT SUITE So, show us how the combat suite is obsolete. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 5:41pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
Patchesagain: Citation needed....like this one http://en.dcnsgroup.com/news/dcns-over-50-combat-system-trials-performed-on-the-fremm-normandie/ Fool of Gauteng, post citation to beat the French manufacturer specs I posted...post it now ! . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 5:43pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
agaugust: Why are you so desperate to derail the argument with irrelevant topics? |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 5:45pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
Patchesagain: It's actually the other way round, French La Fayette frigate was in service 1996, the Valour frigate entered service in 2003, you actually copied their old combat suite which they have now replaced with a modern system, buy you cannot afford anything new ![]() ![]() . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 5:46pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
Patchesagain: I love how you surrender when defeated ![]() ![]() |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 5:48pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
agaugust: When did the french replace it? Citation needed! |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 5:48pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
Henry120:From a source who was roasted at arms deal commission? Totally fried! |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 5:48pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
agaugust: I simply have no interest in pointless arguments. How does the classing of a FREMM have anything to do with the argument? And read my earlyer posts - |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 5:50pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
agaugust:The Valour class frigates will be upgraded. There's already a project in place. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 5:51pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
Patchesagain: You have not posted citation to prove FREMM is a destroyer. 2007, La Fayette was replaced in frontline role by FREMM . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 5:52pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
MikeCZAR: You have no money |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 5:53pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
Patchesagain: It means you don't know difference between frigate and destroyer, so ALL your talk about combat suite is garbage . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 5:53pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
agaugust: 1. You said the combat system on La Fayette was replaced - liar 2. As an operational warship - the La Fayette remains a frontline combat system |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 5:55pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
agaugust: In your dream land: The SANDF is buying new heavy torpedoes, OPVs, Badgers IFVs, A-Darter SRAAMs, Ambulances, Skyshield air defence system etc with YUM? Or funding development of BVRAAM with YUM? And many technology demonstrators! |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 5:56pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
MikeCZAR: Lies Lies Lies....all those projects are grounded or moving at snail speed . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 5:57pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
agaugust: So when I said the French Frigates from the same eara have the same system, it was garbage? No, its a fact So when I said the French Nuclear Aircraft carrier has the same system, it was garabage? No, its a fact So when I said that the Suadi's brand new Frigate operates the same system, it was grabage? No, it was a fact And again, the class of a vessel is determined by the navies who operate it... just like Argentina calls their MEKO a destroyer (and you call aradu a frigate), just like Japan calls their carrier a "destroyer", just like Russia calls their carrier a "cruiser", and just like ROKN calls their cruiser a "destroyer". |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 5:58pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
agaugust: All those projects are running smoothly ' And it kills you - because all Nigeria gets is second hand junk, or stripped down empty shells!! |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 5:59pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
MduZA:yeah, my bad afcon.. And he was the star performer , wasn't he? |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 6:00pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
agaugust: Conclusion: France installed the combat suite in their destroyer! Your opinion and that of the arms deal critic can't be regarded over the decision of French, South African and Saudi Admirals. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 6:00pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
MikeCZAR: edit your post - you made a mistake in your first sentence |
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