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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 5:19pm On Jun 06, 2015
agaugust:


The new french ship is FREMM not La Fayette http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/fremm/

Aradu is a 1980 warship with 2001 refit new combat suite. Valour frigate has 1996 combat suite and 38 year old scrap-yard gun.

Aradu and Valour frigate struggle with same generation of combat suites. France is far ahead.

Stop this fooooooolish suiiiiicide argument, you lost !

Augustus.

Do you wish to compare capabilities of the combat suite??

Age of upgrade is irrelevant - as we taught you when you bragged about "modern" radar on your F-7's (Which turned out to be ancient)
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 5:21pm On Jun 06, 2015
Henry120:

[b]
241.7 the Detexis system attempts to achieve system reliability by means of a combination of dual-redundant, dual-homed Fast Ethernet switches, duplicated Network Interface Cards ("NICs"wink and software-implemented data packet duplication and selection logic, but reliability is compromised by the following :

241.7.1 the use of duplicated NICs is undesirable since hardware is doubled and each NIC requires the processing resources of its host, which is limited;

241.7.2 data packet duplication and selection is a potentially dangerous redundancy mechanism in mission-critical systems, since it violates the atomic commitment principle, namely that data transactions should either complete successfully ("commit"wink or fail completely ("abort"wink, with no partial state. This is violated by the transmission of duplicate data packets.

242. The Detexis system also failed to comply with the requirements of the NSR quoted above in the following respects :

242.1 in the Detexis system the combat suite as a whole is not "based on" an architecture using a databus. Only the CMS component of the combat suite utilises a databus. The CMS in turn connects to the rest of the combat suite by multiple point-to-point (or hard-wired) links; and

242.2 the databus in the Detexis system is thus not a "multirole" databus, since it provides functionality to the CMS only and cannot provide clock synchronisation nor timestamping services nor bulk data transfer services to the combat suite, those being inter alia the functionalities of the databus specified by the URS (Para. 7.1.1 thereof);


242.3 the combat suite architecture based on the Detexis system is essentially a point-to-point system and such a system cannot be described as
"Mordern".[/b]

Still posting the opinion of an anti-arms deal critic?

Answer my two questions and stop wasting our time with these meaningless copy + pasts
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 5:23pm On Jun 06, 2015
Patchesagain:


Augustus.

Do you wish to compare capabilities of the combat suite??

Age of upgrade is irrelevant - as we taught you when you bragged about "modern" radar on your F-7's (Which turned out to be ancient)



You already lost, the argument, you think FREMM is a destroyer, but it's a frigate. You know nothing about naval warfare, mumu grin

http://www.janes.com/article/49163/egypt-to-acquire-fremm-frigate
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 5:23pm On Jun 06, 2015
Henry120:


You are unbelievable naive!

You are unbeleivably dense.

You are posting the testimony from an arms deal CRITIC

Obviously he will be critical

Fact is the combat suite is good enough for the French and Saudi Navies

Fact is that the requirements of the Valour class changed as the project developed.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 5:25pm On Jun 06, 2015
agaugust:


You already lost, the argument, you think FREMM is a destroyer, but it's a frigate. You know nothing about naval warfare, mumu grin

http://www.janes.com/article/49163/egypt-to-acquire-fremm-frigate
.

French navy deems it to be a destroyer

The category of vessel is largely dependant on the operator.

Just like Japans new "destroyer"
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 5:28pm On Jun 06, 2015
Patchesagain:


Still posting the opinion of an anti-arms deal critic?

Answer my two questions and stop wasting our time with these meaningless copy + pasts




250. To emphasise my contention that the final choice of corvette (or frigate) databus was actually irrational is borne out by a very recent opinion expressed by none other than Armscor and the SAN in their response regarding the upcoming acquisition in terms of it RFO EMTM/2014/109 for the SAN's new hydrographic survey vessel (HSV) :
"It is to be emphasised that it is not foreseen that a SAN Frigate type data bus solution will be implemented onboard the HSV vessel. [color=#000099]This particular system can be regarded as being obsolete and is certainly not considered to be a cost-effective solution
as any competent level 4 integrator will attest to." (my emphasis in bold text)
[Hotel-01]


251. It is indeed difficult to envisage a more damning indictment of the Detexis Diacerto Databus than this by the very parties that were responsible for its acquisition.[/color]

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 5:30pm On Jun 06, 2015
Patchesagain:


You are unbeleivably dense.

You are posting the testimony from an arms deal CRITIC

Obviously he will be critical

Fact is the combat suite is good enough for the French and Saudi Navies

Fact is that the requirements of the Valour class changed as the project developed.


And he says it's from an arms critic!!!


Armscor and CCII systems are now arms critics?".... LOL grin grin
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 5:30pm On Jun 06, 2015
Patchesagain:


French navy deems it to be a destroyer

The French manufacturer that built the ship says FREMM is a frigate you dumbazz domingo ! grin grin

http://en.dcnsgroup.com/news/dcns-over-50-combat-system-trials-performed-on-the-fremm-normandie/

ALL your arguments about combat suite is hereby de..molished , you know nothing about sea warfare grin grin
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 5:33pm On Jun 06, 2015
Henry120:


And he says it's from an arms critic!!!


Armscor and CCII systems are now arms critics?".... LOL grin grin

Richard Young, who lost out as bidder in the Arms Deal, said an evaluation at the time proved that his company’s Information Management System (IMS) was better than the one selected for the navy's new frigates.

Gee I wonder why he is critical of it?

Anyway, they say that the DATABUS system is obsolete, not the combat suite as a whole

In computer architecture, a bus (related to the Latin "omnibus", meaning "for all"wink is a communication system that transfers data between components inside a computer, or between computers. This expression covers all related hardware components (wire, optical fiber, etc.) and software, including communication protocols

So, can you please show us how the COMBAT SUITE is obsolete

Thank you

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 5:35pm On Jun 06, 2015
agaugust:


The French manufacturer that built the ship says FREMM is a frigate you dumbazz domingo ! grin grin

http://en.dcnsgroup.com/news/dcns-over-50-combat-system-trials-performed-on-the-fremm-normandie/

ALL your arguments about combat suite is hereby de..molished , you know nothing about sea warfare grin grin
.

He is bragging about obsolete Frigates...... the Valour class are nothing but sailing rust buckets.


The Ships do not even meet the users basic requirements.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 5:36pm On Jun 06, 2015
agaugust:


All four Balsam class supply ships of Nigeria are operational, they came into service between 2005 and 2010.

SAS Drakensberg is Obsolete, project hotel is looking to replace it, but no money.
Unoperational and obsolete.


If Drakensberg is obsolete, then Aradu should in a museum.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 5:36pm On Jun 06, 2015
agaugust:


The French manufacturer that built the ship says FREMM is a frigate you dumbazz domingo ! grin grin

http://en.dcnsgroup.com/news/dcns-over-50-combat-system-trials-performed-on-the-fremm-normandie/

ALL your arguments about combat suite is hereby de..molished , you know nothing about sea warfare grin grin
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French deem it to be a Destroyer

Just like the Japabese call their helicopter carrier a destroyer


In anycase, who cares?

French frigates introduced when the valour class was chosen use the same combat suite

French flagship uses the same combat sweet

More modern Saudi frigate uses same combat suite
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 5:38pm On Jun 06, 2015
Henry120:


He is bragging about obsolete Frigates...... the Valour class are nothing but sailing rust buckets.


The Ships do not even meet the users basic requirements.

Again, this is according to the testimony of a man who lost out to other bidders

Obviously his testimony is going to be critical

this is his opinion and not fact

Most importantly: He is talking about the systems IMS

And not about the COMBAT SUITE

So, show us how the combat suite is obsolete.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 5:41pm On Jun 06, 2015
Patchesagain:


French deem it to be a Destroyer


Citation needed....like this one http://en.dcnsgroup.com/news/dcns-over-50-combat-system-trials-performed-on-the-fremm-normandie/

Fool of Gauteng, post citation to beat the French manufacturer specs I posted...post it now !
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 5:43pm On Jun 06, 2015
agaugust:


Citation needed....like this one http://en.dcnsgroup.com/news/dcns-over-50-combat-system-trials-performed-on-the-fremm-normandie/

Fool of Gauteng, post citation to beat the French manufacturer specs I posted...post it now !
.

Why are you so desperate to derail the argument with irrelevant topics?
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 5:45pm On Jun 06, 2015
Patchesagain:


French frigates introduced when the valour class was chosen use the same combat suite


It's actually the other way round, French La Fayette frigate was in service 1996, the Valour frigate entered service in 2003, you actually copied their old combat suite which they have now replaced with a modern system, buy you cannot afford anything new grin grin
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 5:46pm On Jun 06, 2015
Patchesagain:


Why are you so desperate to derail the argument with irrelevant topics?


I love how you surrender when defeated grin grin
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 5:48pm On Jun 06, 2015
agaugust:


It's actually the other way round, French La Fayette frigate was in service 1996, the Valour frigate entered service in 2003, you actually copied their old combat suite which they have now replaced with a modern system, buy you cannot afford anything new grin grin
.

When did the french replace it?

Citation needed!
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 5:48pm On Jun 06, 2015
Henry120:

And he says it's from an arms critic!!!

Armscor and CCII systems are now arms critics?".... LOL grin grin
From a source who was roasted at arms deal commission?
Totally fried!
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 5:48pm On Jun 06, 2015
agaugust:


I love how you surrender when defeated grin grin

I simply have no interest in pointless arguments.

How does the classing of a FREMM have anything to do with the argument?

And read my earlyer posts -
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 5:50pm On Jun 06, 2015
agaugust:


It's actually the other way round, French La Fayette frigate was in service 1996, the Valour frigate entered service in 2003, you actually copied their old combat suite which they have now replaced with a modern system, buy you cannot afford anything new grin grin
.
The Valour class frigates will be upgraded. There's already a project in place.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 5:51pm On Jun 06, 2015
Patchesagain:


When did the french replace it?

Citation needed!

You have not posted citation to prove FREMM is a destroyer.

2007, La Fayette was replaced in frontline role by FREMM
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 5:52pm On Jun 06, 2015
MikeCZAR:
The Valour class frigates will be upgraded. There's already a project in place.


You have no money
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 5:53pm On Jun 06, 2015
Patchesagain:



How does the classing of a FREMM have anything to do with the argument?


It means you don't know difference between frigate and destroyer, so ALL your talk about combat suite is garbage
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 5:53pm On Jun 06, 2015
agaugust:


You have not posted citation to prove FREMM is a destroyer.

2007, La Fayette was replaced in frontline role by FREMM
.

1. You said the combat system on La Fayette was replaced - liar
2. As an operational warship - the La Fayette remains a frontline combat system
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 5:55pm On Jun 06, 2015
agaugust:


You have no money

In your dream land: The SANDF is buying new heavy torpedoes, OPVs, Badgers IFVs, A-Darter SRAAMs, Ambulances, Skyshield air defence system etc with YUM?

Or funding development of BVRAAM with YUM?

And many technology demonstrators!
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 5:56pm On Jun 06, 2015
MikeCZAR:


In your dream land: The SANDF is buying new heavy torpedoes, OPVs, Badgers IFVs, A-Darter SRAAMs, Ambulances, Skyshield air defence system etc with YUM?

Or funding development of BVRAAM with YUM?

And many technology demonstrators!

Lies Lies Lies....all those projects are grounded or moving at snail speed
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 5:57pm On Jun 06, 2015
agaugust:


It means you don't know difference between frigate and destroyer, so ALL your talk about combat suite is garbage
.

So when I said the French Frigates from the same eara have the same system, it was garbage?

No, its a fact

So when I said the French Nuclear Aircraft carrier has the same system, it was garabage?

No, its a fact

So when I said that the Suadi's brand new Frigate operates the same system, it was grabage?

No, it was a fact

And again, the class of a vessel is determined by the navies who operate it... just like Argentina calls their MEKO a destroyer (and you call aradu a frigate), just like Japan calls their carrier a "destroyer", just like Russia calls their carrier a "cruiser", and just like ROKN calls their cruiser a "destroyer".
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 5:58pm On Jun 06, 2015
agaugust:


Lies Lies Lies....all those projects are grounded or moving at snail speed
.

All those projects are running smoothly '

And it kills you - because all Nigeria gets is second hand junk, or stripped down empty shells!!
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 5:59pm On Jun 06, 2015
MduZA:


d,bang was featured at the afcon not world cup...lezz is always dreaming
yeah, my bad afcon.. And he was the star performer , wasn't he?
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 6:00pm On Jun 06, 2015
agaugust:


It means you don't know difference between frigate and destroyer, so ALL your talk about combat suite is garbage
.

Conclusion: France installed the combat suite in their destroyer!

Your opinion and that of the arms deal critic can't be regarded over the decision of French, South African and Saudi Admirals.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 6:00pm On Jun 06, 2015
MikeCZAR:


Conclusion: France installed the combat suite in their destroyer!

Your opinion and that of the arms deal critic can't be regarded over the decision of French, South African and Saudi Admirals.

edit your post - you made a mistake in your first sentence

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