Nunushokoto, is the classification into petty, grand and systemic corruption, your original categorization or you got that frim literature review?

Danjuma827:
My friend any parent that pays money for a child to pass their exams are only fostering that child to exhibit more. Had it been that parent did not pay the money for their ward to pass their exams then I am definitely sure that the corrupt practices that child will exhibit will be minima. So every child knows that cheating is bad so does it give him the temerity to involve in such act?

you know that fire will burn your skin and your parent asked you do to so. will you do it? if you put your hand in it then you are on your own. and you will acquire the effect more.

Good that you now agree with me, that the followers(Parents and students) take the most blame.

Jarus:
Barackodam, substantiate your claim that Babangida legalised corruption. Pls show me the section of the "legal instrument' he used in "legalising it".

Babangida is seen by many to have presided over one of the most corrupt governments in Nigeria, however,
unlike other regimes, no ministers of his regime were convicted/tried by the courts.


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibrahim_Babangida


judges, please, my internet connectivity has become very poor, I may reply every one later than expected

thanks

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Jarus:
Nunushokoto, is the classification into petty, grand and systemic corruption, your original categorization or you got that frim literature review?

Got that from a firm literature review

barackodam:


Babangida is seen by many to have presided over one of the most corrupt governments in Nigeria, however,
unlike other regimes, no ministers of his regime were convicted/tried by the courts.


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibrahim_Babangida


judges, please, my internet connectivity has become very poor, I may reply every one later than expected

thanks

He was able to that with the cooperation of the corrupt followers. The followers under him are corrupt too.

pseudonomer:


Where there is greed, there is corruption. Corruption means "the willingness to act dishonestly for money, etc". A friend of mine use to tell me that 90% of Nigerians will act corruptly if given the opportunity, even the ones that criticize the government the most. Take a look around you; your everyday activities, the people you meet, the deals you get involved in. The things you have seen or heard; ranging from policemen taking bribes, the market women that reduce the size of their measuring device to make extra profit, the lecturers that take bribes and, to the students that give it, the admission process in our tertiary institutions, the people that are in charge of contracts, employment, West Africa Examination Council "miracle" centres, oil subsidy scam, ghost workers, pension scam, and so on. Are we not worse than our leaders?

I love your examples but do you know that if we have good leaders all these act won't be happening?

Its better not to do a thing at all than to do a bad
job. Do u think those standard buildings abroad are
built just for building sake?:Do u also think that time
is not taken to make sure that the buildings are well
erected? One bad attitude of Nigerians is 'haste' we
are in a hurry to get things done legal or illegal.....nunushokoto.

dont deviate please....


if you're given a job by FG and about 3 ministries collect their so-called share from you, will you go back to FG and tell them you're ni longer working on the project after being paid??

or you can as well start a job you know you won't finish and later be chased be crimes agency for embezzlement

Danjuma827:
I love your examples but do you know that if we have good leaders all these act won't be happening?

Who turns to leader? A follower, and a corrupt follower will always make a corrupt leader.

pseudonomer:


He was able to that with the cooperation of the corrupt followers. The followers under him are corrupt too.

remember.....head before tail, leader before follower

barackodam:
Its better not to do a thing at all than to do a bad
job. Do u think those standard buildings abroad are
built just for building sake?:Do u also think that time
is not taken to make sure that the buildings are well
erected? One bad attitude of Nigerians is 'haste' we
are in a hurry to get things done legal or illegal.....nunushokoto.

dont deviate please....


if you're given a job by FG and about 3 ministries collect their so-called share from you, will you go back to FG and tell them you're ni longer working on the project after being paid??

or you can as well start a job you know you won't finish and later be chased be crimes agency for embezzlement

I get ur point but it still doesn't warrant for substandard materials . Innocent peoples lives are being endangered for crying out loud.

barackodam:
Its better not to do a thing at all than to do a bad
job. Do u think those standard buildings abroad are
built just for building sake?:Do u also think that time
is not taken to make sure that the buildings are well
erected? One bad attitude of Nigerians is 'haste' we
are in a hurry to get things done legal or illegal.....nunushokoto.

dont deviate please....


if you're given a job by FG and about 3 ministries collect their so-called share from you, will you go back to FG and tell them you're ni longer working on the project after being paid??

or you can as well start a job you know you won't finish and later be chased be crimes agency for embezzlement

If I am allowed to answer this. If we the followers are scared of saying no to Corruption, how do we want the leaders to put an end to corruption. A good citizen that has integrity will say no to sharing, he will stand even if it is going to cost him the job contract. That is what a righteous man will do.

Judges can now ask questions

barackodam:




remember.....head before tail, leader before follower

Where is that done? Every leader started from the ground before getting to the top.

pseudonomer:


Who turns to leader? A follower, and a corrupt follower will always make a corrupt leader.

There are leaders even before you were born and there will still be leaders even when you have kicked the bucket. Most Leaders foster the activities of corrupt practices. you will certainly meet people that will rule over you so it depends on the rule if those people that will enable a follower to take over their footprint.

From what I've read so far, ABU Zaria z making a lot of sense here

Danjuma827:
There are leaders even before you were born and there will still be leaders even when you have kicked the bucket. Most Leaders foster the activities of corrupt practices. you will certainly meet people that will rule over you so it depends on the rule if those people that will enable a follower to take over their footprint.

We are talking of real leadership that affects the whole nation. You just don't get there.

pseudonomer:


If I am allowed to answer this. If we the followers are scared of saying no to Corruption, how do we want the leaders to put an end to corruption. A good citizen that has integrity will say no to sharing, he will stand even if it is going to cost him the job contract. That is what a righteous man will do.

how many are righteous??

pseudonomer:

Where is that done? Every leader started from the ground before getting to the top.

We know, but there are good followers who turn bad leaders

Audience can now ask questions. . . . .

Fynestboi please I will appreciate if you can ban soji1992 for his series of spam messages. . .

barackodam:


how many are righteous??



We know, but there are good followers who turn bad leaders

That means we are all corrupt. If we want to fight corruption, it has to start from me and you(the followers). And this is the main problem facing the corruption, we the followers are not ready to become "un-corrupt" but we want the leaders to stop corruption. Do you know that fuel is still being sold N110 in most places? You want to blame the government for that too?

pseudonomer:


That means we are all corrupt. If we want to fight corruption, it has to start from me and you(the followers). And this is the main problem facing the corruption, we the followers are not ready to become "un-corrupt" but we want the leaders to stop corruption. Do you know that fuel is still being sold N110 in most places? You want to blame the government for that too?

i don't deny that fact, but do you accept the fact that good followers do turn bad leaders??

Nunushokoto:
Yes,it started from the leader because they are the one that first made it known to the public but if we trace it further down to what triggered or made den exhibit corruption we would find out that the followers are the cause of it all.

And besides most followers tend to frustrate their leaders making them do things that they ordinarily would not venture into.

Well I always love your write ups because you always acknowledge that leaders are the first to bring about corruption. When this leaders brings corrupt practices then the followers are meant to agree to it and they themselves will do worse when the eventually become leaders someday. So I say Leaders are the main reason why we have corrupt followers

barackodam:



i don't deny that fact, but do you accept the fact that good followers do turn bad leaders??

The probability is low. But that of a bad follower to become a bad leader is almost certain.

Judge's Comment

A nice and interesting debate I must say. Far better performance by both sides than earlier ones they were involved in.

I also noticed improvement in the use of English by the sides, but I still saw some slips in concord. Frankly, it doesn't speak well that our university students still write "leaders does" for instance. I know it's more of failure to do proper proofreading than ignorance of that rule, but please this is a competition, no room for the slightest error, least of all things subject-verb concord.

All the 4 debaters were persuasive and also did well on facts and examples. I particularly like pseudonomer's lines on persuasion and example.

I will send individual scores to the coordinators now.

Overall, it's a decent exercise.

pseudonomer:


Good that you now agree with me, that the followers(Parents and students) take the most blame.

My friend you are taking you mind to far from who a leader is.

Is your parent not your leader?

are you not a leader to your younger brother or sister?

is you pastor not a leader to you?

after you have agreed to these questions then I will tell you that parent who are leaders over their children do things that makes them to be corrupt. like cases of exam malpractice.

Debaters can now make their final comments . . .

Danjuma827:
Well I always love your write ups because you always acknowledge that leaders are the first to bring about corruption. When this leaders brings corrupt practices then the followers are meant to agree to it and they themselves will do worse when the eventually become leaders someday. So I say Leaders are the main reason why we have corrupt followers

And I say its the other way round cos followers appoint leaders.

pseudonomer:


We are talking of real leadership that affects the whole nation. You just don't get there.

If you want real leadership then it must start from your immediate environment