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Re: WHY Religion Is Clueless by ayoku777(m): 10:17am On Jun 06, 2015 |
CAPTIVATOR: Please please. To be delivered into someone's hands does not mean to kill the person. It means to subdue, to overpower, or to overcome. It doesn't mean to kill Genesis 16v6 -But Abram said unto Sarai, Behold, thy maid is in thy hand; do to her as it pleaseth thee. Was Abram telling Sarai to kill Hagar? Or he meant Hagar is under subjection to Sarai. Another verse; Daniel 1v2 -And the Lord gave Jehoiakim king of Judah into his (Nebuchadnezzar's) hand, with part of the vessels of the house of God: which he carried into Shinar to the house of his god. Nebuchadnezzar did not kill Jehoiakim. To "be delivered into someone's hands" is to be overpowered, overcome or subdued under someone. The Philistines overpowered and subdued Saul and Israel. And that was what Samuel prophesied. Can you see? Who is twisting the word now? Shalom |
Re: WHY Religion Is Clueless by MizJanet(f): 6:11pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
you push his own bible aside and present yours, hilarious xtians ayoku777:Dont just google and paste , the above context is not of WAR.
@bold , according to Jewish Historian named Josephus Nebuchadnezzar killed Jehoiakim and throw his corpse over the walls of Jerusalem. And that goes parallel with Jeremiah 22: 18,19 that Jehoiakim will be buried like an he - ass and his corpse will be thrown out of Jerusalem walls. |
Re: WHY Religion Is Clueless by MizJanet(f): 6:25pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
This people are so clueles , their god has a heart yet he doesnt have blood , whats the work of the heart if not to pumb blood . Pls, God have a soul o, " My soul" isaiah 42:1 , does it mean another entity is livin inside ur god ? 1 Like |
Re: WHY Religion Is Clueless by MizJanet(f): 6:26pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
This people are so clueles , their god has a heart yet he doesnt have blood , whats the work of the heart if not to pumb blood . Pls, God have a soul o, " My soul" isaiah 42:1 , does it mean another entity is livin inside your god ? |
Re: WHY Religion Is Clueless by ayoku777(m): 7:10pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
MizJanet: I don't push his own bible aside, I correct his interpretation. There's a difference. MizJanet: Exactly the point I was trying to make. That the expression "delivered into someone's hands" does not necessarily always mean "to kill". It is a general term meaning "to subdue or be subject to". It can be used in the normal context it was used by Abraham. Trying to make it always mean "to kill" is a very wrong interpretation. And that's the correction I made there. MizJanet: Josephus is a wonderful historian, but he is not an authority in doctrine. According to scripture; Nebuchadnezzar did not kill Jehoiakim. 2Chronicles 36v6 -And against him (Jehoiakim) came up Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, and bound him in fetters, to carry him to Babylon. Nebuchadnezzar carried Jehoiakim captive to Babylon as a prisoner of war. And he died there. But Nebuchadnezzar did not kill him. Jeremiah 22v18-19 -Therefore thus saith the Lord concerning Jehoiakim.... He shall be buried with the burial of an ass, drawn and cast forth beyond the gates of Jerusalem. This verse talked about how and where he shall be buried. Meaning he was buried like an animal, beyond the gates of Jerusalem. He was not buried like a king or in the burying place of the kings like his fathers. But Nebuchadnezzer didn't kill him. And this verse didn't say so either. Let's not digress though. The point being addressed is, Does being "delivered into someone's hands" always mean to be killed by someone? And the scripture shows clearly that that is not so; infact it can be used in a context that has no bloodshed at all. That's what I'm showing here. |
Re: WHY Religion Is Clueless by MizJanet(f): 9:51pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
ayoku777: I think the guy is speaking with reference to War
I Know You Wont agree with Josephus , Until I Show you how ridiculous your claims are. , No part of your religious book say so.
Really? Whats wrong with you and your edited religious book, he was captive to babylon and died there , yet jehoakim died in Judah " then Jehoakim was laid to Rest with his forefathers' 1king 24:2, 6 mayb his forefathers were laid in babylon
Drink this hot tea , Jehoakim was buried in Judah (2kings 24:6 .
Your book didnt say he didnt kill him .
Dont digress: what lead to this is whether Saul was killed by philistines or not, which may mean the other guy is using that phrase with reference to war not general usage . Back to you : i said the story of saul at endor prove that other religions that practice speaking with the dead is good, you said "no, devil dont hav power to bring death anymore" , so who is presently responsible for the death brought on humans everyday, since devil cant cause death anymore ? Why do people still die , if truly ur jesus have bring the power of death to nothing ? |
Re: WHY Religion Is Clueless by ayoku777(m): 5:48am On Jun 07, 2015 |
MizJanet: Whether it is used in reference to war or not; to be "delivered into someone's hand" does not necessarily mean to "kill". Reference or context is immaterial here. MizJanet: So we should say or assume Nebuchadnezzar killed Jehoiakim, even though the scripture never said so? And what do you mean that the bible didn't say Nebuchadnezzar didn't kill him? Scripture said he bound him in fetters. Do you kill people and then bind them in fetters? MizJanet: Show me where this exact phrase was used in scripture? That Jehoiakim was "laid to rest with his forefathers." What my own bible said was that, Jehoiakim "slept with his fathers" And that expression doesn't always mean they were buried in the same place. MizJanet: Reference to war or general usage does not change the definition of "being in someone's hands" to mean "to kill". You may or may not kill someone that is "delivered into your hands". Yet if you overpower or subdue a person in any sense, he or she has still been "delivered into your hands." It doesn't always mean to kill, even in the context of war. It can mean to take captive, like in the case Jehoiakim. The fact that the Philistines didn't literally kill Saul doesn't mean he still wasn't delivered into their hands as Samuel predicted. They subdued him, didn't they? MizJanet: Necromancy (conjuring spirits) is wrong. It was wrong in the old testament days and it is still wrong now. But it was indeed truly possible then when the devil had the power of death. Now I believe it's a lie if any medium still claims they can conjur real spirits of the dead. The devil no longer commands such authority. MizJanet: Having the power of death does not mean having the power to cause death or to kill. God, men, angels, the devil could kill. The wages of sin is still death; that hasn't changed. I believe having the power of death means having the keys of death and of hades. It means to be in possession or control of the souls of the dead. MizJanet: The same reason people still sin even though Jesus has shed his blood for the sin of the world. And the same reason people still fall sick even though Jesus has borne stripes for our healing. Figure that out and you will answer your own question. Shalom |
Re: WHY Religion Is Clueless by Orunto: 7:00am On Jun 07, 2015 |
Religion is encounter with the Spirits!! If you have had it, like Obj, Gej and Mub you are clueful. And if you haven't, like Oyegun, Okorocha and Amaechi you are clueless. So help us God!!!! |
Re: WHY Religion Is Clueless by Nobody: 10:52am On Jun 07, 2015 |
ayoku777:wages of sin is still death. Meaning you r a sinner so as every other person on earth and we all will die.... Use ur God given brain. |
Re: WHY Religion Is Clueless by MizJanet(f): 11:04am On Jun 07, 2015 |
Mellin: Funny enough , they claim death is not the end ! But when they define death in reference to human flesh , they agree that flesh die means flesh will cease to exist . Hypocrisy of the highest order . 1 Like |
Re: WHY Religion Is Clueless by MizJanet(f): 12:06pm On Jun 07, 2015 |
ayoku777:Of course, nobody said they were buried in the same grave. 1king 24:6 , was laid to rest with his fathers simply mean he was buried alongside his fathers, so where are his fathers starting from David laid to sleep ? Judah or Babylon
I thought your book said the dead are not alive - isaiah 26:14 Hey , So it was an ordinary case that the isreaites bury as samuel , while the real Samuel lives on , the real Samuel is alive, never died . That simply means the real Jesus didnt die , only his cover dies. Uv been scammed JESUS DIDNT DIE , ONLY HIS FLESH DIES
Lols , his death cant stop sin , death and sickness ? hope you know he himself didnt die , only his flesh died . |
Re: WHY Religion Is Clueless by ayoku777(m): 12:17pm On Jun 07, 2015 |
MizJanet: This thread is way past its bedtime. Let's tuck it in please. We are back to where we left off in page three. |
Re: WHY Religion Is Clueless by MizJanet(f): 12:51pm On Jun 07, 2015 |
ayoku777: Just another way to avoid that question, start using your commonsense , Did Jesus Die OR its only his flesh that died ? Even your brain knows any attempt at you answering the question will blow your religious myths in a seconds . |
Re: WHY Religion Is Clueless by ayoku777(m): 12:54pm On Jun 07, 2015 |
MizJanet: What is death? |
Re: WHY Religion Is Clueless by MizJanet(f): 1:08pm On Jun 07, 2015 |
ayoku777:An intelligent being dont answer question with a question. |
Re: WHY Religion Is Clueless by ayoku777(m): 7:45am On Jun 08, 2015 |
MizJanet: I'm using the questions to guide you to the answer to your own questions. I've noticed that some people will never accept any explanation you give them; but if you guide their thought, they may see the answer to their own question or atleast the folly of their question. You asked that; Did Jesus himself die or it was only his flesh that died? That if only it was His flesh that died, then it means the real Jesus did not die for us, just his flesh. Like Jesus said to the Sadducees, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, (Matthew 22v29). You don't understand the concept who Jesus is, that's why. Jesus (Yahshua) is different from "the Word of God". The Word of God is spirit, while Jesus is the "Word made flesh" (John 1v14). If Jesus was put to death in the flesh (1Peter 3v18), then it means JESUS DIED, even though His spirit was still alive preaching to them that are dead, (1Peter 4v6). Let me attempt to put it in a way you may understand; Salt (Sodium Chloride) = Na + Cl If you remove or "kill" the Chlorine; do you still have salt? Ofcourse not! When you "killed" the chlorine, "SALT DIED" But do we still have the Sodium (Na)? Ofcourse yes! The Sodium is still "alive" and kicking with all its electrons and protons bouncing. Jesus (The son of man) = Word (spirit) + Flesh (body) When Jesus was put to death in the flesh; Jesus, the son of man died. But His Spirit was alive, animate and conscious in sheol; preaching to them that are dead (1Peter 4v6) So asking if Jesus died or only His flesh died; is like asking "When I removed the chlorine, did the salt remove or only the chlorine". You don't understand the concept of who Yahshua is. Yahshua is the Word made flesh; without flesh He is the Word. So when Jesus was put to death in the flesh, Jesus died. So yes, Jesus died for our sins; and He rose for our justification. Shalom. |
Re: WHY Religion Is Clueless by MizJanet(f): 8:11am On Jun 08, 2015 |
ayoku777: Let me show you how stupid your illustration is. In the case of Salt , Sodium combines with chloride , Sodium DID NOT became chloride. * as for JESUS, the word didnt combine with flesh RATHER/CONTRARILY " the word BECAME Flesh" john 1:14 he became flesh, 100% " Human" PHILIPIAN 2:6 . 1 Like
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Re: WHY Religion Is Clueless by Kenneth4u205(m): 8:34am On Jun 08, 2015 |
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Re: WHY Religion Is Clueless by Kenneth4u205(m): 8:41am On Jun 08, 2015 |
1 Corinthians 15:35-54 New King James
Version (NKJV)
A Glorious Body
35 But someone will say, “How are the
dead raised up? And with what body do
they come?” 36 Foolish one, what you
sow is not made alive unless it dies. 37
And what you sow, you do not sow that
body that shall be, but mere grain—
perhaps wheat or some other grain. 38
But God gives it a body as He pleases,
and to each seed its own body.
39 All flesh is not the same flesh, but
there is one kind of flesh[ a ] of men,
another flesh of animals, another of fish,
and another of birds.
40 There are also celestial bodies and
terrestrial bodies; but the glory of the
celestial is one, and the glory of the
terrestrial is another. 41 There is one
glory of the sun, another glory of the
moon, and another glory of the stars; for
one star differs from another star in glory.
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead.
The body is sown in corruption, it is
raised in incorruption. 43 It is sown in
dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in
weakness, it is raised in power. 44 It is
sown a natural body, it is raised a
spiritual body. There is a natural body,
and there is a spiritual body. 45 And so it
is written, “The first man Adam became a
living being.”[ b ] The last Adam became a
life-giving spirit.
46 However, the spiritual is not first, but
the natural, and afterward the spiritual.
47 The first man was of the earth, made
of dust; the second Man is the Lord[ c ]
from heaven. 48 As was the man of dust,
so also are those who are made of dust;
and as is the heavenly Man, so also are
those who are heavenly. 49 And as we
have borne the image of the man of dust,
we shall also bear[ d ] the image of the
heavenly Man.
Our Final Victory
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and
blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God;
nor does corruption inherit incorruption.
51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall
not all sleep, but we shall all be changed
— 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an
eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet
will sound, and the dead will be raised
incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on
incorruption, and this mortal must put on
immortality. 54 So when this corruptible
has put on incorruption, and this mortal
has put on immortality, then shall be
brought to pass the saying that is written:
“Death is swallowed up in victory.”[ e ] |
Re: WHY Religion Is Clueless by ayoku777(m): 8:43am On Jun 08, 2015 |
MizJanet: There is no human being or son of man, that is not spirit, soul and body. 1Thess 5v23 -...I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Word of God being "made flesh" doesn't mean he didn't have have his spirit and soul with the flesh. No human being is only flesh. A man is spirit, soul and body. And Jesus had spirit and soul and body too. John 23v46 -And when Jesus has cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend MY SPIRIT: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost. Yahshua has spirit. Matthew 26v38 -Then saith he unto them, MY SOUL is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me. Yahshua has soul The "Word made flesh" (Yahshua) has spirit, soul and body like every son of man. You can't be a son of man without spirit, soul and body. Get it? |
Re: WHY Religion Is Clueless by MizJanet(f): 8:47am On Jun 08, 2015 |
Kenneth4u205: Hey, is this what copy and paste is doing to you people ? Pls stop that non sense . |
Re: WHY Religion Is Clueless by MizJanet(f): 9:13am On Jun 08, 2015 |
ayoku777: O boy, you have digress from the question , From the stuff you wrote above : ** what is that spirit that Jesus entrust into his Father's hand ? ** what is soul ? ** what is body ? The moment you answer this, we will know if the real person of Jesus really died . * |
Re: WHY Religion Is Clueless by ayoku777(m): 9:39am On Jun 08, 2015 |
MizJanet: Stop asking questions like a two year old. You asked to know if Jesus had spirit; I showed in the bible that he does. Now you ask what is spirit? What is soul? What is body? The soul and spirit is not defined fully in scripture but by application and usage in scripture, they are the core parts of what makes up a man. Man = spirit + soul + body Separate them and you no longer have "a man". You have a spirit and a corpse. A soul and spirit without the body is not a human being or a son of man. And a body without the soul and spirit is a corpse. So spirit, soul and body is what makes us a human being or a son of man. Separate them and you have a spirit or a corpse. Word became flesh (Yahshua). A human being or a son of man (spirit, soul and body). When the body died, it meant Yahshua the son of man died; and he became a spirit. By which he went to preach to the dead. Honestly; I'm tired. I'm a very patient person; and I can indulge people for the sake of reaching out to them. But I'm seriously tired. And I know I've tried. Have a blessed week 1 Like |
Re: WHY Religion Is Clueless by MizJanet(f): 10:01am On Jun 08, 2015 |
ayoku777: Those are fundamental questions that will expose the can of worms in churchianity , THANKFULLY you have just create another problem for your fellow church man and woman ** according to luke 23:46 which you quote , Jesus spirit was enthrust into the hands of his father in heaven . Which means ,He has a spirit go to heaven the same day while only his body died . Unless you want to tell me his father is not in heaven , why did your bible still went ahead to say Jesus didnt go to heaven until 40 days after his resurection when he had already commited his spirit part to heaven earlier ? RELIGION IS A FRAUD . 1 Like |
Re: WHY Religion Is Clueless by ayoku777(m): 10:23am On Jun 08, 2015 |
MizJanet: That's shocking. You that knows how to call everything "symbolic" suddenly has only a literal interpretation for this verse. Jesus commending his spirit into the hands of his Father doesn't have to mean He went to heaven that night? If I'm going on a journey and I commit my journey, my car and my life into God's hands; does that mean I plan to go to heaven that day? Ofcourse not; the expression means for God to be with me, watch over me and protect me on this journey. Jesus was about to die, and His spirit would descend into sheol; and he was commending His spirit into His Father's hand. For the Father to watch over him in sheol and be with Him and not leave His soul in sheol (Psalm 16v10) Its clear that Jesus did not ascend into heaven until after He rose. His spirit descended first. John 20v17 -Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: Ephesians 4v9 -Now that he ascended, what is it but that He also descended FIRST into the lower parts of the earth? Jesus commending His spirit into the hands of the Father is for the Father to be with Him and not leave His soul in sheol. Bye and God bless. |
Re: WHY Religion Is Clueless by MizJanet(f): 10:43am On Jun 08, 2015 |
ayoku777: Bible said his spirit go to the fathers hand in heaven , you said na sheol the spirit go. okay What is a soul ? Remember God also have soul , am wondering if another entity is residing in god too. 'my soul' isa 42:1
So also, when the bible said the spirit of all humans go to the father in heaven, same explanation applies . NOT literal doesnt mean they went to heaven . |
Re: WHY Religion Is Clueless by malvisguy212: 11:56pm On Jun 08, 2015 |
MizJanet:first, our body we have here on earth is different from the one in heaven or hell. secondly, there will be NO death in hell even the worm do not die, meaning hell is different from the earth. This are the punishments in hell; smoke of their torment no rest day and night weeping and gnashing of teeth tormented their worm does not die destruction Now pay close attention to this book of Daniel: Daniel 12:1–2 The Time of the End 12 “At that time shall arise Michael, the great prince who has charge of your people. And there shall be a time of trouble, such as never has been since there was a nation till that time. But at that time your people shall be delivered, everyone whose name shall be found written in the book. 2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. Now read verse two again, it say many of those who SLEEP IN THE DUST OF THE EARTH WILL BE AWAKE, what does it mean? They are ressurected with a new body both believers and unbelievers and it was AFTER this judgment they will be sent to hell. I hope this answer your question? |
Re: WHY Religion Is Clueless by malvisguy212: 12:00am On Jun 09, 2015 |
Crispels:read here https://www.nairaland.com/1999485/all-religions-lead-god-one And https://www.nairaland.com/2349810/agnosticsatheists-others-religion-pleased-read |
Re: WHY Religion Is Clueless by malvisguy212: 12:10am On Jun 09, 2015 |
MizJanet:you need serious lessons on bible teaching |
Re: WHY Religion Is Clueless by malvisguy212: 12:21am On Jun 09, 2015 |
MizJanet:I repeat, you need a serious bible lessons!!! Hell was primarily created by God as a place for Satan and his demons (who are rebellious, fallen angels). Satan was originally created as God's most powerful angelic being. However, He rebelled against God and convinced one third of the angels (now referred to as demons) to join him. Michael, an archangel of God, fought with God's angels against Satan and his angels, with Satan losing the battle and being cast from heaven down to earth. However, Satan wasn't finished in his rebellion against God. Satan took on the form of a snake in the garden of Eden to tempt Eve.Eventually,Satan Will continue in his rebellion against God and attempt to take over the world through the "beast" (world ruler) and a false prophet described in the book of Revelation. Joined by human armies, Satan's rebellious cohorts will be destroyed at the battle of Armageddon at which time the beast and false prophet will be thrown into the Lake of Fire (hell). Satan will be imprisoned for 1,000 years, during the millennial reign of Jesus Christ on earth with His saints. At the end of that period, Satan will be released for a short period of time, deceive the leaders of the world again, and convince them to attack Jesus and His rule on the earth. Satan will lose again and be thrown into the Lake of Fire to "be tormented day and night for ever and ever." Following Satan's demise, the saints of Jesus Christ will judge the angels who joined him in rebellion, who will also be sent to the Lake of Fire. Those who reject Jesus Christ cannot enter into the presence of God, and so must be separated from Him until the white throne judgment. The Bible gives several lists of people who will not be in heaven. |
Re: WHY Religion Is Clueless by malvisguy212: 12:42am On Jun 09, 2015 |
MizJanet:this is what isaiah 42:1 say; "Here is my servant, whom I uphold, my chosen one in whom I delight; I will put my Spirit on him, and he will bring justice to the nations. Prophecy about our Lord Jesus christ. The bible clearly say God is a spirit, God does not have a flesh.Jesus Christ stated quite clearly that God the Father is a Spirit: God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. ( John 4:24) Does this leave the option that God as a spirit could also have a "body of flesh and bones?" Here is how Jesus defined a spirit: Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit HATH NOT FLESH AND BONES , as ye see me have. ( Luke 24:39) And also the bible say God is invincible; ..Christ... Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: ( Colossians 1:15) Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath showed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen... ( Romans 1:19-20) |
Re: WHY Religion Is Clueless by MizJanet(f): 9:53am On Jun 09, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Are you guys clueless , notice the bold ... So ur mythical immaterial and spiritual looking soul actually decays and produce worms too ? Glaring contradiction , even yourself dont understand what you quote
How does this support your myth , prison break @ bold : people are presently sleeping in the dust of the earth . 1 Like |
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