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Re: Flying Eagles of Nigeria Thread: U-20 World Cup (New Zealand 2015) by tyinter46(m): 10:53am On Jun 11, 2015
Players that shouldn't have started.....enaholo, bulbwa, and godwin
Re: Flying Eagles of Nigeria Thread: U-20 World Cup (New Zealand 2015) by dabossman(m): 10:55am On Jun 11, 2015
joseph1013:

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Mehn...I'm still lost for words. I just cant explain what happened. I'm confused.

But to say something...Manu let Germany win this match. Plain and simple! There is no other way to sugarcoat it.


The coach lost the game for us. And it is one of two things: EGO or FEAR.

Manu Garba either felt he had to show Iheanacho who the boss is, which is not entirely bad, but requires wisdom, or he was afraid after the loss to Brazil and decided to stick with the boys he has had with him since AYC.

EGO: Even if you were trying to discipline Iheanacho, Yahaya and Moses or you felt they hadn't blended in, there comes a time when you must know that your message is passed and the punishment should end. The boy has sat on the bench for almost two games. Call him and read the riot act. Put him on the field and tell him to perform and play for the team. Swallow your ego,especially for personal pride for national interest.

FEAR: If it's not that, then maybe the fear factor set in. Manu may have told himself, the boys from Europe are made and no longer hungry for success. Let me use those I've been with for close to two years now who are still looking for European contracts. They will be hungrier. It worked for him at U-17 and he may have decided to stick with it.

But beyond that, U-17 and U-20 are not the same o! A lot of U-20 players in Europe already have professional contracts and play in top leagues. Even those who have not broken into their main teams play regularly in reserve leagues or lower divisions. The competition is tougher.
Re: Flying Eagles of Nigeria Thread: U-20 World Cup (New Zealand 2015) by mikron(m): 10:55am On Jun 11, 2015
Dega128:


Well all the best bro against germay smiley

I believe you have what it takes to beat germay convincly but there and again ma fear is on ur coach garba
He must be on his real best,because tactics will win this game
And his tactics failed us once more tiday
Re: Flying Eagles of Nigeria Thread: U-20 World Cup (New Zealand 2015) by mikron(m): 10:55am On Jun 11, 2015
Dega128:


Well all the best bro against germay smiley

I believe you have what it takes to beat germay convincly but there and again ma fear is on ur coach garba
He must be on his real best,because tactics will win this game
And his tactics failed us once more today
Re: Flying Eagles of Nigeria Thread: U-20 World Cup (New Zealand 2015) by TheGoodJoe(m): 10:56am On Jun 11, 2015
I know a sold match when I see one. This was definitely sold. Manu is out of my list. I do not care about his brilliance.

If he is not loyal to the Nigerian football fans, he can keep his talent to himself.

This was a good selling point for him. His chance to prove himself as the right man for the Super Eagles.

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Re: Flying Eagles of Nigeria Thread: U-20 World Cup (New Zealand 2015) by TheGoodJoe(m): 10:56am On Jun 11, 2015
acaolly1:
Our Coach, thank you for killing this game. thank you for keeping our best legs on the bench for 90mins, thank you for lack of technical in-depth.

Welcome back home boys, its time to pic the few into our U23 and progress to Super Chinchin or transform to Super eagles...
Re: Flying Eagles of Nigeria Thread: U-20 World Cup (New Zealand 2015) by kannymoore(m): 10:57am On Jun 11, 2015
tyinter46:
Players that shouldn't have started.....enaholo, bulbwa, and godwin

Enaholo actually justified his place in the team and singlehandedly kept the scoreline respectable (pun included).

That was a match that sould have ended 0-4 in favor of the Germans.

Enaolo deserves the man-of-the-match award as far as i'm concerned!!

Then our no3 player comes a far 2nd.

As for the rest...*spits* angry

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Re: Flying Eagles of Nigeria Thread: U-20 World Cup (New Zealand 2015) by lakesidepapa(m): 10:58am On Jun 11, 2015
It's over. These boys must be well manage and keep in touch with for under 23 and also for future preference. MANU is over hype and he's also over-confidence. He thought under 20 wc will be like under 17wc, I too knw stopped him to step up his game approach in d first place. He should go back to under 17 as a back room staff to assist amunike.
Re: Flying Eagles of Nigeria Thread: U-20 World Cup (New Zealand 2015) by LeeCodeman: 10:58am On Jun 11, 2015
I'm still mourning. How could we lose a match we could win so easily?

Accepted, you dont change a winning team, but since we were not playing well, conceding possession and playing some useless long balls against an opposition that has got players taller than us, why not make swift changes at the stroke of second half.

Bulbwa was a liability. We have Simon Moses and Yahaya on the bench. Awoniy was overwhelmed, at least try Iheanacho who has been trained by World Class coaches in the position. Sokari was so useless in the match, yet you did nothing when we had Matthew on the bench.

You brought in Isaac and there was no instruction for him and Awoniyi to swap position, albeit from time to time.

What was Nwakali doing on the field when we were chasing a goal down. Arghhhhhh

JESUS!!!...my week is now officially useless!

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Re: Flying Eagles of Nigeria Thread: U-20 World Cup (New Zealand 2015) by linked: 10:59am On Jun 11, 2015
TheGoodJoe:


He did not try any tactically right approach. It was clear from the get go. The Germans will know the weak points of the formation because they have softwares that analyse and pick out weak points in teams.

So an early change of style and approach was important to disorganise the German plan. Manu knows this but did not make the changes. I disagree on him not being tactical. Only a tactician will know the moves to stop a Super team from doing well. This is the first match I am seeing him use only one substitute. That alone tells the story.
I have always believed in the boys but have always had my reservations with manu's approach... But I have been careful not to be too critical..

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Re: Flying Eagles of Nigeria Thread: U-20 World Cup (New Zealand 2015) by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:01am On Jun 11, 2015
I am all for pushing your boys. We have no problem with that because this boys are better than some in big clubs. However, an early change when things are not going to plans. These boys will not secure top clubs by crashing out early playing 90 mins.

Pull Awo for Nacho for the second half of this game and start Awo in the next.

That is not what this coach was thinking. Manu wanted a loss. That is the simple truth.


dabossman:



The coach lost the game for us. And it is one of two things: EGO or FEAR.

Manu Garba either felt he had to show Iheanacho who the boss is, which is not entirely bad, but requires wisdom, or he was afraid after the loss to Brazil and decided to stick with the boys he has had with him since AYC.

EGO: Even if you were trying to discipline Iheanacho, Yahaya and Moses or you felt they hadn't blended in, there comes a time when you must know that your message is passed and the punishment should end. The boy has sat on the bench for almost two games. Call him and read the riot act. Put him on the field and tell him to perform and play for the team. Swallow your ego,especially for personal pride for national interest.

FEAR: If it's not that, then maybe the fear factor set in. Manu may have told himself, the boys from Europe are made and no longer hungry for success. Let me use those I've been with for close to two years now who are still looking for European contracts. They will be hungrier. It worked for him at U-17 and he may have decided to stick with it.

But beyond that, U-17 and U-20 are not the same o! A lot of U-20 players in Europe already have professional contracts and play in top leagues. Even those who have not broken into their main teams play regularly in reserve leagues or lower divisions. The competition is tougher.
Re: Flying Eagles of Nigeria Thread: U-20 World Cup (New Zealand 2015) by joachinx: 11:01am On Jun 11, 2015
Avoiding Germany wzn't d solution.. the Hungarians also avoided Germany abi.. whr r dey.. dey've also gone.. d issue wz from d bench.. d coach jst showed how inexperienced is.. because d 1st match didn't turnout well(whc. Wzn't even a bad game except for d errors d Gk made), he decided to stick to d 2nd team cos dey won korea(anybody could av won Korea, infact d team against Brazil wld av scored more goals.. I saw dis coming..especially wenn he still played dem against Hungary.. why nt use d Hungary match to tryout news tactics..or combination up front.. Atleast b4 losing faith in ur once trrusted lads.. I can't fault. Iheanacho at all cos he didn't get to play.. enuf games.. haba.. even moses..simon dat won Belgian league.. yahaya.. no na.. these players have d skill to out play Germany.. bt d coach chose to defend wen he hz d materials to attack anybody.. mtscheeEw na coach kill us jaare...
zoboizee:
Remember saying this to somebody.
@Watchindelta. And on Germany, hmmm...they
are not over-hyped. They are very clinical and
shoot accurately. If we slip a bit, that's it.
Guess it came to past.

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Re: Flying Eagles of Nigeria Thread: U-20 World Cup (New Zealand 2015) by safarigirl(f): 11:01am On Jun 11, 2015
I just will never understand the logic behind benching Iheanacho and Moses, even Yahaya. How the phuck will you have those players on your bench and watch the opposition run the team ragged? Just....how? .

Today, Manu Garba just failed totally. Dunno if he did it cuz he had too much faith in the guys on the field or he had too little faith with those on the bench, but he failed and there are no excuses for failure.

That being said, I still love you Taiwo Awoniyi kiss. You win some you lose some, don't beat yourself up. This goes to the entire team....minus the technical crew angry
Re: Flying Eagles of Nigeria Thread: U-20 World Cup (New Zealand 2015) by Nobody: 11:02am On Jun 11, 2015
chaberry:
Tbaba1234 and safarigirl hope you two have seen what over-confidence have cause you and our team? When i and people like alj were saying it will be better to avoid Germany you guys called us "paper fans" and "cowards", now you guys should enjoy your Germany Won't you have appreciate it if our team play serbia and make it to the quarter final

How are you sure that you'll beat Serbia. The flying Eagles prepared well for this tournament.

There is no excuse. We lost to a better team simple. Congrats to the Germans.
Re: Flying Eagles of Nigeria Thread: U-20 World Cup (New Zealand 2015) by joseph1013: 11:02am On Jun 11, 2015
dabossman:


The Serbians are similar to the Germans. Tall, physical and very technical and disciplined, especially in defence. They have a system for producing these kind of players. If we play against Serbia like we did today, we will still probably lose

Sadly, Manu Garba lost this game for us. But, I'm not disheartened. We have some talented players for the future in this team. They just need to be properly managed.

I'm sorry...alot of these players will rot in Nigeria. What would have helped them was for them to play good football that we KNOW they can play and be snapped up by foreign teams that would nurture them. We didnt do that. Infact, we played to their weaknesses.

Quote me if top teams snap up up to three of the lads playing in Nigeria after now.

We just wasted a generation of extremely talented stars.

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Re: Flying Eagles of Nigeria Thread: U-20 World Cup (New Zealand 2015) by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:02am On Jun 11, 2015
I have nothing else to add. You said it all.

LeeCodeman:
I'm still mourning. How could we lose a match we could win so easily?

Accepted, you dont change a winning team, but since we were not playing well, conceding possession and playing some useless long balls against an opposition that has got players taller than us, why not make swift changes at the stroke of second half.

Bulbwa was a liability. We have Simon Moses and Yahaya on the bench. Awoniy was overwhelmed, at least try Iheanacho who has been trained by World Class coaches in the position. Sokari was so useless in the match, yet you did nothing when we had Matthew on the bench.

You brought in Isaac and there was no instruction for him and Awoniyi to swap position, albeit from time to time.

What was Nwakali doing on the field when we were chasing a goal down. Arghhhhhh

JESUS!!!...my week is now officially useless!
Re: Flying Eagles of Nigeria Thread: U-20 World Cup (New Zealand 2015) by lardy96(m): 11:03am On Jun 11, 2015
TheGoodJoe:
I know a sold match when I see one. This was definitely sold. Manu is out of my list. I do not care about his brilliance.

If he is not loyal to the Nigerian football fans, he can keep his talent to himself.

This was a good selling point for him. His chance to prove himself as the right man for the Super Eagles.
saying manu sold the match is as if ure praising him.he is just tactically inept

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Re: Flying Eagles of Nigeria Thread: U-20 World Cup (New Zealand 2015) by peterd53(m): 11:05am On Jun 11, 2015
m shocked and speechless.............
FIFA nid 2 investigate dz match
dz match wz fixed. I can't believe it
y 2 sub out of 3
y was bulbuwa der 4 90min
y benching yahaya and nacho
y bringing in nwakali wen we have nacho,yahaya and moses
y not making a 2nd sub until d 80min
ha ha manu garba u don waste our golden generation Cuz of ur own selfish interest.
I can't believe it
Re: Flying Eagles of Nigeria Thread: U-20 World Cup (New Zealand 2015) by tymarus: 11:06am On Jun 11, 2015
This is African and poverty mentality that when you have a little success you can't manage it, it's a syndrome that affects our footballer and coaches. They don't have the attitude to sustain and manage the myriads of talents in his possession. I don't know what's it about Taiwo Awoniyi that he kept him in the match. This poverty mentality affect even the rich in our society, more reason why Mikel Obi can't improve himself immediately we began to sing his praises. Businesses don't thrive beyond the 1st experience of success, only a little get pass this stage in this our environment.God deliver us!
Re: Flying Eagles of Nigeria Thread: U-20 World Cup (New Zealand 2015) by chaberry(m): 11:06am On Jun 11, 2015
joseph1013:


We'd still have lost if we played like this against Serbia. Infact if we played like this against Hungary, we would have lost.

This is their worst match I've ever watched. Do you notice that at no time in the game did we string 5 continuous passes. We had no shot on target.

Haba
You think this is our worst performance? Well, i don't think so, they even play worse than this against Korea(especially in the first half), they look so bad 2day because Germany makes them look so bad, Germany are a very consistant, tactical and physical team and as we have already find out they are a team that are in form and knows how to score, just like in the group stage where they didn't dominate most of their games but still score alot of goals. While In the other hand our team haven't been impressive since the begginning of this tournament and thats the reason i have been urging our team to avoid Germany
Re: Flying Eagles of Nigeria Thread: U-20 World Cup (New Zealand 2015) by linked: 11:07am On Jun 11, 2015
joseph1013:


I'm sorry...alot of these players will rot in Nigeria. What would have helped them was for them to play good football that we KNOW they can play and be snapped up by foreign teams that would nurture them. We didnt do that. Infact, we played to their weaknesses.

Quote me if top teams snap up up to three of the lads playing in Nigeria after now.

We just wasted a generation of extremely talented stars.
If the eagles had played beautiful football and still went home today, It would have made more sense...... Now I ganna quote some of my past comments on this thread
Re: Flying Eagles of Nigeria Thread: U-20 World Cup (New Zealand 2015) by linked: 11:09am On Jun 11, 2015
linked:
Ifeanyi, Yahaya, Nacho... all on the bench... ... I feel like crying cry
Re: Flying Eagles of Nigeria Thread: U-20 World Cup (New Zealand 2015) by linked: 11:10am On Jun 11, 2015
linked:
Since yahaya's rabona skill.. . The eagles have been dry entertainment wise.... Now I really miss Ifeanyi Mathew, He is way more talented than Sokari- at last I have seen Sokari play. Sokari is a good player and strive on short passes- But ifeanyi is just a joy to watch on football.. . His ball juggling, outrageous dummies, slide rule passing, Marseille roulette and step overs. .. It was unfortunate he went cold in the game against brazil.... But I just wanna revel in his tricks..

Nacho got some touch too and of course yahaya gave that beautiful rabona skill

I wanna see some little showboating in the game against Germany especially if the eagles are two or more goals up
I need entertainment grin grin

But #manuknowsbest
Re: Flying Eagles of Nigeria Thread: U-20 World Cup (New Zealand 2015) by watchindelta(m): 11:10am On Jun 11, 2015
joachinx:
Avoiding Germany wzn't d solution.. the Hungarians also avoided Germany abi.. whr r dey.. dey've also gone.. d issue wz from d bench.. d coach jst showed how inexperienced is.. because d 1st match didn't turnout well(whc. Wzn't even a bad game except for d errors d Gk made), he decided to stick to d 2nd team cos dey won korea(anybody could av won Korea, infact d team against Brazil wld av scored more goals.. I saw dis coming..especially wenn he still played dem against Hungary.. why nt use d Hungary match to tryout news tactics..or combination up front.. Atleast b4 losing faith in ur once trrusted lads.. I can't fault. Iheanacho at all cos he didn't get to play.. enuf games.. haba.. even moses..simon dat won Belgian league.. yahaya.. no na.. these players have d skill to out play Germany.. bt d coach chose to defend wen he hz d materials to attack anybody.. mtscheeEw na coach kill us jaare...
d coach Nah cowww dat why..
Re: Flying Eagles of Nigeria Thread: U-20 World Cup (New Zealand 2015) by tymarus: 11:10am On Jun 11, 2015
They aren't better team. Our coach killed us.

quote author=gbosaa post=34655379]

How are you sure that you'll beat Serbia. The flying Eagles prepared well for this tournament.

There is no excuse. We lost to a better team simple. Congrats to the Germans.[/quote]
Re: Flying Eagles of Nigeria Thread: U-20 World Cup (New Zealand 2015) by tbaba1234: 11:11am On Jun 11, 2015
Manu Garba is completely at fault. Chasing a game with so much attacking talent on the bench and not bringing them on.
Re: Flying Eagles of Nigeria Thread: U-20 World Cup (New Zealand 2015) by linked: 11:12am On Jun 11, 2015
linked:
You indeed know what a typical german team is. This very german team got the tactical nous to overcome any unwary team. This game isn't ganna be a roller-coaster for the eagles... EXCEPT of course the germans capitulate which seldom happen. I bank on the eagles to win not because beating the germans is such a cinch or because the eagles' performance thus far has been out of this world but because I expect the eagles to 'peak' [/b]in this game after three matches. Verily they've been under-performing in comparison with their true potentials.

Thus, with complacency removed after the humbling defeat to Brazil, [b]I expect the eagles to bring on their A game
.
Let relax as events unfold cool
Sad to say that just didn't happen... They were so conservative
Re: Flying Eagles of Nigeria Thread: U-20 World Cup (New Zealand 2015) by mikron(m): 11:12am On Jun 11, 2015
The coach did not get his tactics right today and it failed us, and I also believe the ref got some calls wrong, the coach should have played his best legs in a big match like this but he refused to even make substitutions when we need them, but again he refused for reasons best known to him. Iheanacho has no business on the bench same with yahaya and Simon not forgetting nwakali, manu let us down
Re: Flying Eagles of Nigeria Thread: U-20 World Cup (New Zealand 2015) by chaberry(m): 11:13am On Jun 11, 2015
TheGoodJoe:
I have nothing else to add. You said it all.

This is what you get when you prefer to play Germany in football rather than serbia. infact, you guys underrate them, Jeezz! Who underate Germany in football?
Re: Flying Eagles of Nigeria Thread: U-20 World Cup (New Zealand 2015) by linked: 11:15am On Jun 11, 2015
linked:
Hope manu will not revert to his long ball tactics... I have told Manu that retaining possession by tiki taka is what fit these boys most-to this he concurred but he was still exploring the option of long balls.. Hmm..

Make I still believe #manuknowsbest
Sad Manu still went ahead with that shit.. .. I warned him
Re: Flying Eagles of Nigeria Thread: U-20 World Cup (New Zealand 2015) by LeeCodeman: 11:15am On Jun 11, 2015
TheGoodJoe:
I know a sold match when I see one. This was definitely sold. Manu is out of my list. I do not care about his brilliance.

If he is not loyal to the Nigerian football fans, he can keep his talent to himself.

This was a good selling point for him. His chance to prove himself as the right man for the Super Eagles.

I think it's time to agree with you here.

Did Manu sell this match to the highest bidder? I know that even top European teams sell matches for bets. Could it be the case?

This is not MAnu, like Joseph said. He is more tactical than this. He can read games. He knows his weaknesses and plays to his strength.

He did the complete opposite in this game.
Re: Flying Eagles of Nigeria Thread: U-20 World Cup (New Zealand 2015) by Dega128(m): 11:17am On Jun 11, 2015
mikron:
And his tactics failed us once more tiday




I think it's about time African government s not just the FA invest heavily and liasson with European academy s right from the under 10 to 20

Enough of the theaterics and showmanship and let's get serious angry

Francophone west Africa is gradually doing well with the French youth system.


Ghana and Nigeria have the talent s no doubt but is it enough undecided


If Akporugu hope I got the name correctly were to have been born in Nigeria would have be an ordinary player but for German indoctrination


Need I say more angry

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