ammyluv2002:

@ammy,could you pls tell me what is wrong with white weddingwhat makes it bad?

cornel00:


@ammy,could you pls tell me what is wrong with white weddingwhat makes it bad?

There's nothing wrong with it just that it's not biblical

twoondei:
One of my patients bought a 5litre gallon of holy water for 500k from those banner wearing people as treatment for pericarditis after refusing surgery..
He died just after he finished drinking the water.
Things are bad around here

Too bad for him but it serves him right.

I know of some people too who when they fall ill will never seek medical help. They prefer to seek spiritual help from their clergy men.

Christians are foo.Ls.I remain an atheist.

Rendezvou:
There are many unscriptural activities going on in the church today which Christians pretend not to see. The more we keep silent, the worse things would become. Though we are aware that many happenings in the church today are signs of the end time, it is our duty to put things right and strive to revive the ‘old time religion.’

1. Charging Consultation Fee-
Paying certain amount of money before you can see the man of God has become a common practice in many churches nowadays. So many pastors have commercialized deliverance, salvation and spiritual counselling against the Lord’s wish- Matt 10:8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

2. Selling Some Spiritual Items-
I’m more particular about churches selling holy water and anointing oil in plastic containers and bottles where worshippers are disallowed from bringing theirs but compelled to buy from the church. Let them buy from wherever they choose; your role is to ensure those items are blessed and sanctified.

3. Making Tithe Card Compulsory-
I have no objection to the issuance of tithe cards for those who want it. Some churches have denied
members some privileges because they do not have their tithe cards which serve as evidence to know tithe payers. I, like many others prefer paying tithes anonymously. Someone may be paying tithe regularly having his card checked and signed by the pastor and still feign being saved.

4. Setting up too many church societies-
It is unfortunate that church leaders rarely check the activities or attend meetings of these societies. Many have derailed from their essence and a lot of such church societies now run like town meetings, social groups or cooperative societies. Let us cut them to size, review their activities regularly, and ensure prioritization of spiritual events in these societies.

5. Singing and Dancing to Worldly Music-
We really need to watch it here. We listen to hip hops, Rocks etc which are trending and become tempted to copy the rhythm and sometimes lyrics of such music for church use. Many of these songs and dances are not glorifying God so why copying the world? Ladies now twerk and wiggle in sexually provocative styles in churches at the sound of such worldly music. 1 John 2:15 Love not the world , neither the things that are in the world . If any man loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. Choirmasters and Music Coordinators pls take note.

6. Stipulating Minimum Amount for Offering-
Few days ago I was in a gathering and the pastor announced that those who do not have up to a certain amount of money to put down as offering should not bother to come out. This wasn’t the first time I’ll hear this announcement coming from the alter. This approach to collection of fat offerings should not be encouraged in the church. Jesus praised the poor widow who cast just two mites into the treasury because that was all she had [Mark 12: 41-44]. If such marginalization was declared before casting of offering at the temple, the poor widow would not have been able to cast her offering which Jesus acknowledged as the greatest of all offerings. Pastors should stop deterring people from casting their offerings; we do not need to inform them that fingers are not equal. Preach and tell the congregation the benefits of giving bountiful offering to God and let Him nourish His word in their heart and not indirectly telling them, ‘you cannot give the little you have to God.’

7. Organizing sport/game Competitions-
I do not know when sporting became an important spiritual exercise in the church. I once attended a church where a football match between two parishes led to a serious fracas. This later grew to a feud and it took many years for some of the youths and priests to heal the wounds of bitterness sustained during the match. It is more ideal to organize Bible quizzes and competitions which is very much unlikely to sow seeds of discord.

8. Letting out Church Premise/Properties for Secular Purposes-
I my humble opinion, it isn’t right to rent out church properties for non-religious activities such as club parties, political meetings etc. They may violate your rules and you would not be able to stop them until they are through.

9. Organizing Excursions and Sightseeing-
This should be left for our work places, families, schools and any other moderate social groups which we may belong to. Christ sent us to the whole world on a mission assignment to evangelize and win souls to the kingdom and not to catch fun. I have attended an excursion organized by the youth leaders of a church and to be honest, nothing gave glory to God in all we did. In fact, it may turn to an avenue for brethren to engage in sexual immoralities.

10. Inviting Secular Musicians and Comedians to Perform at Church Functions-
I have heard some blasphemous jokes from many comedians lately. It is so saddening that churches invite such performers to anchor programmes and all you hear are disrespectful words against God all in the name of making people laugh. How can you bring a secular musician to the church and expect him to bring down the spirit of God with his or her hip hop or RnB?

May the Lord revive the church again. Amen

so many things happening in the world...just as the bible says...they shall look but cannot see...hear but cannot understand.....no matter what,the church will still prevail.....if they like,let them turn the house of God into a trade fair complex or shoprite......God'l knows his people jst as a child knows the n recognises the voice of his money...

cornel00:


I smell a deeper life trash

So inappropriate.

That of the open tithe though. I'm not really a Subscriber of it. Nice write up!

Rendezvou:

No matter the excuse we come up with, it is not part of the church's spiritual assignment to be organizing excursions. Christians today would always find justifications for their actions no matter how glaring they contradict the teachings of Christ.

That is why we keep on loosing touch of the 'old time religion'. Compare how many excursions your church has organized with the number of times they have mobilized the youths for evangelism in either distant or even nearby locations. May the Lord help us. Happy Sunday

So what are you saying now? It is a sin to go on excursions? Common camp meeting sef, there is still sexual immorality. How is it the church's fault what two individuals decided to with themselves. I agree with some of your points but me thinks you are too close minded. And you just had to use another opportunity to bash ladies sha. Have you actually seen anybody twerking in church? It takes 2 people to twerk. What you see are ladies shaking their bum bum which is african in culture. Whose fault is that?

Abeg somebody sing this beautiful song for me, "My father's house of worship has become a den of thieves, stealing in the name of the Lord. Stealing, stealing, stealing......."

No wonder, the church members have lost all elements of spirituality.

religion is a opium of d poor religion retarded Africans since 1910...

religion is a opium of d poor, religion retarded Africans since 1900

ammyluv2002:
There's nothing wrong with it just that it's not biblical

Am afraid you are wrong,its even in de bible....go and read about jesus turning water into wine @ a wedding feast

Good observations

Coldfeet:
So inappropriate.

Am sorry to say that!!!

most of these things are totally true

Coldfeet:
Say what you know about your parish AND not Catholic churches in general! I don't know why you chose to single out only the catholic church as the only church that don't do all the op stated! ( except the sport and excursions things) this thread wasn't intended to bash any denomination or exalt! Its purly the truth about what goes on in most churches irrespective or denomination. The body of Christ is one! And if a part of it is erring all the other parts are affected. Stop playing the holier than thou card please its unChristlike! No church is above the other or beyond erring. Rendezvou nice piece.

thats your opinion dear, like i said before, catholics are pro-lifers and are always against/deals anything that goes against God....... Thats my take there... I know about one church which is indeed one under one leader, its catholic and they are deep in culture and unity, what am trying to say in essence is that what ever happens to other parishes, happens to mine...... Calll it boasting or whatever, am not in for holier church or logic play card......

deejay2x67:
sports brings about unhealthy competition. Especially football.
And remember footballers can lie for Africa.
Imagine a brother honestly attesting he committed handball or foul.

ok dear, adighi eji mgbagbu ghara ogu(we will not take because of being afraid of killed and not fight a just war)

What you are pretty much saying is suck out all the fun from Church. I agree with some doh

NiftyViva:


Catholics dont take LIGHTLY anything that goes against life and God

thanks

Gboliwe:
I am a christian, and your list is so strange I am beginning to wonder if you meant to talk about another religion. Aside the sports and excursion parts, I have never heard or been a part of the rest of the stuff you wrote.

U must be a catholic.......many things on that list don't take place in our Catholic Church ooo.

But d op is correct to some extent, though I think he took some of those things to d extreme. Agh thing that is not a sin, even if it's not found in d bible is ok by me. Our God is not as rigid as some want us to believe. To each his own, sha!
My humble two cents

I hear talk say some churches dey organise fashion parade/beauty pageant ...

Alhamdulillah I am a Muslim.
هو الذي ارسل رسوله بالهدي ودين الحق ليظهره علي الدين كله و كفي بالله شهيدا

It is He who has sent his Apostle with the guidance and the true faith, so that He may exalt it over every other creed. God is sufficient as a witness.
Quran 48:28

Interesting very interesting...
Op, you have said your point of view the way you reason it and understand it. but I want to let u know that some points are not like that. for the fact it happened at a place does not mean it happens everywhere.
Because of Love feast, we regained some runaway members that has ran to these new generation churches. Excursion has helped alot of our youth members and it also help us to have a good bond with few African countries on evangelisms. Excursion is not for sight seeing alone but for ppl to learn new things.
You claim imoral acts during excursions what about condoms found at Camps, Choir practices, Vigil, Church premises, Crusade grounds, Choir concerts? One thing you should know is that human is the most difficult being to monitor or control. These things are bound to happen controlling it should be the focal point.
As par tithes, I will leave it for another day discussion. It's something that is another topic itself. but I will say, 99.99% churches got it all wrong on tithe issue.
Abeg which one is not worldly music o?
Before I forget, organisation of sporting events does not stop evangelism. it even help bolster it in as much as the organisers make it clear for competitors that it's simply for Evangelical purposes. we do organise that in our church we even go as far as playing with teams in the community where alot of ppl come see our church team play with society teams and our pastor usually use the opportunity to preach to the community before the game. Remember, Kaka is a pastor, Taribo West is a pastor.

nothing wrong at all with 7 and 9. sports help to improve the mental and physical state of people.

Rendezvou:
I love going on excursions too, I love adventures and sightseeing. But you can get this outside the church. It is not a spiritual activity and it has lured some youths to sexual immoralities and other unholy acts in many instances. I do not see why churches would prefer excursions to evangelism. I know a church that has organized several excursions some of which I have attended but yet to mobilize its youth for evangelism of any sort. The issue is that social events has prevailed over spiritual activities in many churches.

It is important to be mindful of activities that would feed only our bodies and not our souls in churches.We should have a life outside the church for moderate social and extra religious activities.

Be sincere to yourself, can you attend a church with no form of social event?

The early church were visiting one another and eating in each other's houses... Social activity does not propel sin...People sin because they are sinners.

1 and 6 on point the rest depends on d extent it done.....

I see nothing wrong with numbers 7 & 9. Such activities can promote and strengthen relationships among members.

Some r not just unbiblical, but sin sef, like compulsory tithe.

Putting ash on the forehead you are fasting. Lack of Biblical understanding

Coldfeet:
So inappropriate.

Not trash, but the truth

Dude is a catholic. And he is talking about his church (the only one he knows about). Was there any part where he said the catholic church is better than others. I dont even get your point. Why not give us ur opinion on the op's post

Coldfeet:
Say what you know about your parish AND not Catholic churches in general! I don't know why you chose to single out only the catholic church as the only church that don't do all the op stated! ( except the sport and excursions things) this thread wasn't intended to bash any denomination or exalt! Its purly the truth about what goes on in most churches irrespective or denomination. The body of Christ is one! And if a part of it is erring all the other parts are affected. Stop playing the holier than thou card please its unChristlike! No church is above the other or beyond erring. Rendezvou nice piece.

emusmith:


Be sincere to yourself, can you attend a church with no form of social event?

The early church were visiting one another and eating in each other's houses... Social activity does not propel sin...People sin because they are sinners.

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There is a church like that ooo. I no mention names ooo. dem even burn dem Tv but dey watch their pastor on projectors. I no mention names ooo