Freemanan:

Mate, How can mathematics be the backbone of natural science when natural science predates mathematics?? Help me out here.... BEFORE applied mathematics was scribbled by Archimedes, natural science has been a popular discipline... so Mate...... Loopholes everywhere.

ITbomb:

There is actually one thing that puzzle me, I don't know if you can give me a headway.
Why do we have different blood group?

BigBen10:


okay final question. what is your area of expertise? are you a lecturer? or how are you connected to science?

Teempakguy:
Don't mind those people!
Here is the full statement of the law.

A body shall remain at rest or move in a straight line unless UNBALANCED forces act on it.

Freemanan:

Newton's laws are valid only in an inertial reference frame. With this in mind, you will know the three laws are sequencial....

Freemanan:

Mate, How can mathematics be the backbone of natural science when natural science predates mathematics?? Help me out here.... BEFORE applied mathematics was scribbled by Archimedes, natural science has been a popular discipline... so Mate...... Loopholes everywhere.

Mbkite:
Nice thread.
I hv a little doubt on Newton's 1st of motion which states that "a body wil continue in its state of rest or uniform motion in a straight line, unless it's being acted upon by a FORCE"
D Problem I have with dis Law is that d magnitude of d force in question is not considered. For example, if a little child of 4yrs uses all his power to hit a big Iroko tree would dere be any change in position. I therefore propose that "a force of equal or higher magnitude be added to that Law" #MyPersonalOpinion.

anyi5:

...... Already promoting the motion... Keep moving it...

dhsfbi:
Chemical Engineering student, but will like to be more of a chemist that an Engineer.

johnydon22:


I think there is need to understand the basic point of mathematics. . . Natural science is represented in mathematical notion in initial forms, it is in this form of mathematics that study takes roots... example is Einstein's theory of general relativity, mathematical representation E=mc2. . and by the way mathematics was already in use in Egypt, sumer and even maya before Archimedes even dreamt of existing thousands of years later

Teempakguy:
Ah, yes. We don't know. But, Stephen hawking thinks it is multiple versions of ourselves.

johnydon22:


I think there is need to understand the basic point of mathematics. . . Natural science is represented in mathematical notion in initial forms, it is in this form of mathematics that study takes roots... example is Einstein's theory of general relativity, mathematical representation E=mc2. . and by the way mathematics was already in use in Egypt, sumer and even maya before Archimedes even dreamt of existing thousands of years later

Teempakguy:
mutation!

gamaliel121:
I agree with you totally!!
Am a physics student and am gonna be following you up...bumper to bumper...lol
I agree with you totally!!
Am a physics student and am gonna be following you up...bumper to bumper...lol

Hi there . . . bumper to bumper?
No problem. You are welcome. I also intend to learn something from you.

ITbomb:

Why and when did this mutation stopped.
Does it means we should be expecting more groups in a couple of decades or centuries

Teempakguy:
yes, I know that. Relativity is an annoying fact.

Teempakguy:
Dude! Chill, we are not talking about applied mathematics. We are talking about pure mathematics here. Which involves counting, logic . . . these things predate natural science! If you want to talk about applied mathematics, I won't argue with you. But pure mathematics, as its name implies, is pure . . . and since it follows the procedures of scientism, it can be referred to as pure science.

Let's just say mathematics is the only pure science that is not natural.

Freemanan:


Greek astrologers and Chemist were in no way influenced by Egyptian mathematics. SO my question remains unanswered. Ionian chemists then made use of zero mathematics in their works yet you assert that mathematics is the backbone of natural science.

Teempakguy:
nah, we will probably evolve into another species before that happens.

Teempakguy:
Hi there!
I'm actually a teetotaler, so . . . if you have LA casera.
I still don't understand why it was banned though. It has been here for decades and it had not killed anybody. Now it kills a few and the government quickly bans it without extensive research? That sounds wrong. And, typical of naija.
Now, let's get to your question.

Natural selection.

This once highly controversial conjecture basically means that in life, two things happen constantly.
1. Things change.
2. The fittest survives.

In every generation, there is a slight change in the genetic make up of organisms. For instance, some people are tall, others are short, it is a mixture of their parent's genes. Some people see more red than others, some are exceptionally brilliant, like everyone on this thread
Now, having all these different characteristics, nature seeks to blend it. In fact, nature wants every member of each species to look and act exactly the same. . Which is why, for a specific location, after having all these impressive traits, NATURAL SELECTION begins. The variations most suited to that environment survive. While the ones that don't die out. For instance, if that terrain requires constant running and/or athletics, the muscular ones will become prevalent. Simply because the lean ones have died out because they did not meet up to the standards.

This explains races . . . species . . . and a lot of impressive stuff. Individual members of species keep changing. And nature "tests" those changes to see which will stand the test of time. in the process, new species emerge.
But one may ask, why? How? Why do these organisms change? What is going on here? Well, that brings us to your second concept.

genetic mutation

Imagine you are typing fast on your computer. And you make mistakes. Usually, you can just erase them. But what if you couldn't? what if your computer doesn't have a backspace button and any mistake you make is permanent? let me guess, that would suck, right?
Unfortunately, or not . . . that is what nature has to work with. During meiosis, DNA doesn't always get typed exactly as it should be. It makes mistakes . . . oversights . . . Typos!
So this means everyone has numerous mistakes in their genetic make up. Which . . . they cannot erase. These mistakes are called genetic mutation and are the basis for natural selection because nature has to find a way to deal with these mistakes, so, it kind of thinks, which of these mistakes can we pass off as a new style?
And that . . . is the best layman explanation I can offer. It is an oversimplification, but. I hope you got it.

Feel free to ask any questions. If I can't answer them, there will be other experts.

Cheers!

Freemanan:

Lol
Galileo differs tho....
My Philosophy of science lecturer Hates anything Newton...

Freemanan:


Greek astrologers and Chemist were in no way influenced by Egyptian mathematics.

SO my question remains unanswered. Ionian chemists then made use of zero mathematics in their works yet you assert that mathematics is the backbone of natural science.

Teempakguy:
your first sentence is very wrong. Greek mathematics is follow up of Babylonian mathematics. Which was influenced by Egyptian mathematics. Pythagoras theorem was invented by the egyptians. Yet it is the most prevalent form of mathematics in Greek literature. Even Euclid was influenced by the way Egyptians used mathematics to solve their engineering problems while building the pyramid. I have his book. The elements.

Horlufemi:


Please don't listen to everything oyinbo says. You are right on Natural selection but when it comes to mutation you are wrong. New species can't come from another species. A dog will always be a dog. Humans will always be human. Dolphins will always be dolphins. Try and read Darwin's doubt. You'll find out that Darwin is crap. Yes I said it. His book should be called variation of species not origin of species. There's too much magic in Evolution. It requires too much blind faith.

Teempakguy:
yes, but, if they did, everyone would pass. and if everyone passed . . . .hmm!

RobinHez:
Anyone to explain "black hole" to me

Johnydon22