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Re: The Sciences Discussion Thread. by johnydon22(m): 7:40pm On Jun 21, 2015
Teempakguy:
I have a theory of the concept behind the hanging gardens.

Well, after studying the pictures of the gardens, I find nothing impossible about them.
What if instead of the elaborate engineering you guys are suggesting, what if they simply employed human labour? As in, lots of servants to water the gardens? That seems like a simple solution.
Do you mind getting us the picture impression of the hanging gardens?
Re: The Sciences Discussion Thread. by 1miccza: 7:42pm On Jun 21, 2015
rockiedink:


Trust me...or ask any engineer...channelling those grooves are nowhere near as hard as building the pyramids themselves...piece of cake.

The water wheel is basically a contraption to harness hydropower...let's say a very basic for of a hydro turbine...but with the right add-ons, you can channel that water anywhere you want. The water wheel doesn't spray the water...it can direct the flow of water...

...and with a bit of pressure properly applied...anywhere could be 'upwards'

I used to believe that we are much more advanced scientifically now in terms of methods and ideas now, the scientists back then would have been pretty good then... grin and i am Engineer...
Re: The Sciences Discussion Thread. by NDprudent(m): 7:43pm On Jun 21, 2015
Teempakguy:
Hello. smiley

Another way, yet, of looking at this is that cancer cells, due to genetic diversity, cannot be classified because each clone has a different genetic make up. It is not like malaria, in which, all the plasmodium have the same Genetic make up and can be finished off with a single drug. A cancer cell is essentially brand new and varies across each individual.




Dis should b the main point. Cancer cells re likely to have different genetic make up in different individuals. This genetic faults of cancer cells change with time making it uncontrollable by gene targeted drugs
Re: The Sciences Discussion Thread. by 1miccza: 7:45pm On Jun 21, 2015
johnydon22:


I agree those two concepts are very ancient, they are just improving now

Honestly you are so damn right there!!
Re: The Sciences Discussion Thread. by NDprudent(m): 7:46pm On Jun 21, 2015
More biologists, please
Re: The Sciences Discussion Thread. by tintingz(m): 7:48pm On Jun 21, 2015
Interesting comments. smiley
Re: The Sciences Discussion Thread. by johnydon22(m): 7:48pm On Jun 21, 2015
1miccza:


I used to believe that we are much more advanced scientifically now in terms of methods and ideas now, the scientists back then would have been pretty good then... grin and i am Engineer...

Of course the science then are way more advanced than we think or make them out to be but just more crude than ours, we just developed more on what they know. .

E.g: The wheel, they invented the wheel for carts and chariots, we still use wheels today, tyres...

telescope, we also still use telescopes today of which one of the most remarkable the Hubble telescope .

so you see, its basically the same thing. . The scientific concept is the same just the portrayal differs
Re: The Sciences Discussion Thread. by Nobody: 7:59pm On Jun 21, 2015
taharqa:


Mathematics, strictly speaking is not Science. Mathematics is actuality one of the "subjects" that shows that the so-called 3 great branches of (man's) Knowledge ie Science, Social Science and Arts, are actually basically the same thing/have same source. The only difference between them been the DEGREE OF MEASUREMENTS of observable phenomena associated with these "branches" ie Precision in Measurement. Science been the most Precise (that is why Science places such emphasis on minute measurements and instrumentation as well as axioms) and Arts been the least Precise.

Mathematics on the other hand is basically LANGUAGE. Nature's Language. The Language of knowledge ie of ALL the "branches" of Knowledge - Science, Social Science and Arts. Thats why Mathematics can be useful to express phenomena in all these 3 "branches" .

The reason why it seems Mathematics is a pure Science is cos by its nature it's the measurements therein are as precise as Science. But it isn't an exclusive property of Science.

By d way, from the aforementioned it is clear that am a big advocate of the "Unity of Knowledge" ie that all things Known and Unknown have ONE SOURCE and hence obey same FUNDAMENTAL rules/principles. All the plenty divisions of this Knowledge is only an attempt by man to understand phenomena.
I tell people that KNOWLEDGE is the utmost we all sought and can be achieved through Science, pseudoscience, and/or, Art, etc.....

I wouldn't say Science is the most precise as it depends on the intelligentsia of the brain seeking answers but Science is the most logically comprehensible branch of knowledge that is apparent to humankind in this present time........

Another branch of knowledge bigger than Science may occur in Million years to come or before then that will explain phenomenon more better than Science...... .... then Science shall phase out same way as Arts.

Since MATHEMATICS is the science of numbers , everything in the cosmos is denoted by one sign or the other at the primary basis or basic level of existence.

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Re: The Sciences Discussion Thread. by johnydon22(m): 8:06pm On Jun 21, 2015
Lushcream:
I tell people that KNOWLEDGE is the utmost we all sought and can be achieved through Science, pseudoscience, Social Science Art, etc.....

I wouldn't say Science is the most precise as it depends on the intelligentsia of the brain seeking answers but Science is the most logically comprehensible branch of knowledge that is apparent to humankind in this present time.....

Another branch of knowledge bigger than Science may occur in Million years to come or before then .... then we shall throw Science away same way we did Arts.
[b] Bro i beg to differ. . . Science entails study. . so if any branch of study will occur in the future it still will be science, maybe just in an improved way. .

Just like the ancient science are in the form of improved knowledge in this generation. . Alchemy - Chemistry, astrology- astronomy...etc

So that knowledge in the near future surely still remains science only in a more improved way
Re: The Sciences Discussion Thread. by Nobody: 8:15pm On Jun 21, 2015
johnydon22:
Do you mind getting us the picture impression of the hanging gardens?
this is a borrowed phone. I am having a network problem on mine. I will upload a picture as soon as my phone gets well.
Re: The Sciences Discussion Thread. by razzydoo(m): 8:16pm On Jun 21, 2015
Beautiful thread. Concerning the hanging gardens, have you guys heard of creepers/climbers in agriculture. I think it could explain the hanging nature of the garden.
Re: The Sciences Discussion Thread. by Nobody: 8:18pm On Jun 21, 2015
NDprudent:



Dis should b the main point. Cancer cells re likely to have different genetic make up in different individuals. This genetic faults of cancer cells change with time making it uncontrollable by gene targeted drugs
thanks.
Re: The Sciences Discussion Thread. by celestinho(m): 8:19pm On Jun 21, 2015
BigBen10:


what is a brand or brane? Never heard of that before. I thought we just have one universe.
this is where your dictionary comes in
Re: The Sciences Discussion Thread. by Nobody: 8:19pm On Jun 21, 2015
johnydon22:
[b] Bro i beg to differ. . . Science entails study. . so if any branch of study will occur in the future it still will be science, maybe just in an improved way. .

Just like the ancient science are in the form of improved knowledge in this generation. . Alchemy - Chemistry, astrology- astronomy...etc

So that knowledge in the near future surely still remains science only in a more improved way
Science does not equate Knowledge ..... this is where many Science students get it all wrong ...... Science is just a branch of knowledge i.e a means to knowledge........ Science is just a logical proven knowledge that is devoid of abracadabra even I read some certain axioms are still unexplainable till date with science ............ while with pseudoscience you can get to the root of such axioms but it may be beyond logical realm.

The world is evolving,Knowledge is evolving and keep getting evolved thus you never can decipher the new means to accurate and more precise understanding of phenomena in millions of years to come that will make mankind of those time to realise oooohhhhh Science tried but not definite .......... We of today should not be full of ourselves ....

Mankind of Million years to come may see us same way we are seeing Gorilla grin
Re: The Sciences Discussion Thread. by johnydon22(m): 8:23pm On Jun 21, 2015
Teempakguy:
this is a borrowed phone. I am having a network problem on mine. I will upload a picture as soon as my phone gets well.
Ok bro let me see if i can upload the ones i have on my phone so people who dont have the idea of what we are discussing. . . You know wonders of the ancient word incited my interest in ancient historical antiquities . .maybe you can also open a thread about this ancient civilozations, architecture and antiquities

Re: The Sciences Discussion Thread. by johnydon22(m): 8:27pm On Jun 21, 2015
Lushcream:
Science does not equate Knowledge ..... this is where many Science students get it all wrong ...... Science is just a branch of knowledge i.e a means to knowledge........ Science is just a logical proven knowledge that is devoid of abracadabra even I read some certain axioms are still unexplainable till date with science ............ while with pseudoscience you can get to the root of such axioms but it may be beyond logical realm.

The world is evolving,Knowledge is evolving and keep getting evolved thus you never can decipher the new means to accurate and more precise understanding of phenomena in millions of years to come that will make mankind of those time to realise oooohhhhh Science tried but not definite .......... We of today should not be full of ourselves ....

Mankind of Million years to come may see us same way we are seeing Gorilla grin

Lol. . bro i never asserted science= knowledge, there are many ways by which knowledge can be deducted. . . i said science = study. . . the gorilla part tho grin

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Re: The Sciences Discussion Thread. by BigBen10: 8:50pm On Jun 21, 2015
celestinho:
this is where your dictionary comes in

don't be too wise. you can learn from people too. and from his explanation i guess it's a relatively new word.

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Re: The Sciences Discussion Thread. by Nobody: 9:03pm On Jun 21, 2015
Lushcream:
This answer my questions alot since years ........... I discovered that I reason like my dad and his dad though better as a result of addition of technological values, globalization and everly dynamic environment ........ Now, I really believe If I advance the quality of my "thinking" faculty through excess zeal for academic, professional, technological and humanitarian prowess will this have impact on my offspring in terms of their gene(natural instruction/program) ..... or instructions could be lost ? .... oya clarify me abeg ?
Teempakguy ..... this question is still hanging and begging for answer
Re: The Sciences Discussion Thread. by Nobody: 9:13pm On Jun 21, 2015
Lushcream:
Teempakguy ..... this question is still hanging and begging for answer
Ah, yes. You are thinking along the lines of Lamarck's theory of use and disuse.
It has been proven wrong. No matter how you improve yourself. It is only your genes that your children will inherit. Never your abilities. smiley
Re: The Sciences Discussion Thread. by Nobody: 9:14pm On Jun 21, 2015
johnydon22:

Ok bro let me see if i can upload the ones i have on my phone so people who dont have the idea of what we are discussing. . . You know wonders of the ancient word incited my interest in ancient historical antiquities . .maybe you can also open a thread about this ancient civilozations, architecture and antiquities
as we can all see it is only the second one that seems magical. But it can be easily explained.
Re: The Sciences Discussion Thread. by Chrisbenogor(m): 9:17pm On Jun 21, 2015
johnydon22:

Ok bro let me see if i can upload the ones i have on my phone so people who dont have the idea of what we are discussing. . . You know wonders of the ancient word incited my interest in ancient historical antiquities . .maybe you can also open a thread about this ancient civilozations, architecture and antiquities
Errr ever cross your mind you do not have enough data to make a very good scientific judgement?

All the proposed solutions y'all will come up with cannot be tested no?
Re: The Sciences Discussion Thread. by Nobody: 9:20pm On Jun 21, 2015
razzydoo:
Beautiful thread. Concerning the hanging gardens, have you guys heard of creepers/climbers in agriculture. I think it could explain the hanging nature of the garden.
that is not really what we are arguing about.
They are wondering how the ancient Babylonians managed to water and provide nutrients to them. Seeing as they grew on houses.
Re: The Sciences Discussion Thread. by SIRANDREWS: 9:21pm On Jun 21, 2015
why is the universe so massive?

can we ever explore our galaxy in a thousand years time?

When will we start investing money and time into theories that make faster than light travel possible?

the talk of infinite universes is so mind boggling

is our own universe ever going to contract?

brb.......
Re: The Sciences Discussion Thread. by Nobody: 9:21pm On Jun 21, 2015
Queed:



This is 'purely' correct, and its the fact too.

I always try to have an open mind about everything, and when scientific facts contradict believe or the other way round, I always put to use the the law postulated by some QUALIFIED grin African Teacher/Lecturers know as 'Gba bee's ' (youruba language meaning take it like that cheesy) theory.
like u asked in your other post; 'why does rain fall' , I would accept the scientific facts and also accept the 'Belief'

hope you don't start seeing me as a nuisance because I believe grin
As far as I am concerned, Science and Religion do not conflict unless Religion tends to be subjective and people tend to hold tenaciously to what pastor/Alfa has been fed to them. ...... Science will make us understand our world and how to better relate with our environment while Religion is describing our environment with respect to the designer of such environment .....

The purpose of religion is to explain God/Deity/Supreme Being and not detail our environment to us while the purpose of Science is to logically explain our environment without attaching any cognizance to God but interrelationships of elements in the environment and so on.......

I personally use all knowledge I gathered or acquired to acknowledge the supreme designer behind KNOWLEDGE itself ..... Science makes one understand concept of God better but unfortunately it makes other believe in non existence of God.
Re: The Sciences Discussion Thread. by johnydon22(m): 9:22pm On Jun 21, 2015
Chrisbenogor:

Errr ever cross your mind you do not have enough data to make a very good scientific judgement?

All the proposed solutions y'all will come up with cannot be tested no?
Yes bro that is why i first referred to any explanation we would postulat as a hypothesis. . . we first need to personal study the hanging gardens then try and demonstrate the plausibility of our hypothesis maybe by a simulated version or something . . only then can we refer to it as a theory that may be near in explaining the garden. .
Re: The Sciences Discussion Thread. by Chrisbenogor(m): 9:28pm On Jun 21, 2015
johnydon22:
Yes bro that is why i first referred to any explanation we would postulat as a hypothesis. . . we first need to personal study the hanging gardens then try and demonstrate the plausibility of our hypothesis maybe by a simulated version or something . . only then can we refer to it as a theory that may be near in explaining the garden. .
Exactly, actually you find that the world of finding out what happened can be very interesting. With data you try to deduce what happened, you avoid traps like “Correlation does not imply causation”


Anyways I will watch from the sidelines as you guys talk of esoteric stuff.

I am looking for a street way to explain to a kid why our DSTV satellites face the same direction even though the earth is spinning. He asked uncle is it that the DSTV stations are in heaven grin grin grin
Re: The Sciences Discussion Thread. by Nobody: 9:28pm On Jun 21, 2015
SIRANDREWS:
why is the universe so massive?

can we ever explore our galaxy in a thousand years time?

When will we start investing money and time into theories that make faster than light travel possible?

the talk of infinite universes is so mind boggling

is our own universe ever going to contract?

brb.......
lol,

The universe is not massive. It is you and I that are small. wink

We can explore our galaxy as soon as we break the light speed barrier. This may be in a thousand years, or less, or more.

We are already investing.

Yes, it is even said that it takes a certain level of IQ to understand it.

Yes, it might. This speculative phenomena is called the big crunch.

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Re: The Sciences Discussion Thread. by Nobody: 9:30pm On Jun 21, 2015
Chrisbenogor:


Exactly, actually you find that the world of finding out what happened can be very interesting. With data you try to deduce what happened, you avoid traps like “Correlation does not imply causation”


Anyways I will watch from the sidelines as you guys talk of esoteric stuff.

I am looking for a street way to explain to a kid why our DSTV satellites face the same direction even though the earth is spinning. He asked uncle is it that the DSTV stations are in heaven grin grin grin
first, tell him that heaven is not up there.
Re: The Sciences Discussion Thread. by Nobody: 9:31pm On Jun 21, 2015
ELYMAXiimus:

I see u're having fun.. smiley...
thanks for calling the mods. You are my co founder. grin
Re: The Sciences Discussion Thread. by Chrisbenogor(m): 9:33pm On Jun 21, 2015
Teempakguy:
first, tell him that heaven is not up there.
LOL.
You have to be creative remember, I cant go all orbital speed equation on the poor kid.
Re: The Sciences Discussion Thread. by Nobody: 9:34pm On Jun 21, 2015
johnydon22:

Ok bro let me see if i can upload the ones i have on my phone so people who dont have the idea of what we are discussing. . . You know wonders of the ancient word incited my interest in ancient historical antiquities . .maybe you can also open a thread about this ancient civilozations, architecture and antiquities
why don't you open it? lipsrsealed
Re: The Sciences Discussion Thread. by Nobody: 9:36pm On Jun 21, 2015
Teempakguy:
Ah, yes. You are thinking along the lines of Lamarck's theory of use and disuse.
It has been proven wrong. No matter how you improve yourself. It is only your genes that your children will inherit. Never your abilities. smiley
No wahala na .... But why do some children tend to act after their dead father even when they never meet same alive.... I want to crudely think such is transferred from the father to the child maybe through gene/DNA or something ?

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