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Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by Nobody: 3:57pm On Jun 27, 2015
oismail:
Is just for political relevance reason.
Permanent Secretaries can do that too but our constitution provides it and the most painful part is every state must have someone in the FG cabinet
So Sowie Naija
I hope the 8th Assembly do something about this


Question to OP;
Or could this be a topic too!

What about Nigeria having one Legislative?
I'm in favor of having a unicameral legislature. It should ideally comprise less than 300 members. Seven or eight senators per state should be adequate representation for a state.
Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by dennisbee(m): 4:13pm On Jun 27, 2015
soe:
Let me educate the OP.

Forget about the fact that the constitution makes it compulsory....let me tell you why ministers are different from P.S.

One, the minister is the policy maker, the thinker of initiative, both for the president and for the ministry...so he is an expert in his field...e.g, finance.

While the PS is the chief administrator, managing policy and directive implementations, coordinating processes and guiding the minister towards existing laid down rules and procedures in the civil service.

Just to be sure you understand, a court room has a Judge, it also has a Registrar. The judge is only paid to think and decide...not an easy task though. While the registrar is burdened solely by administrative duties of all workers in the court as well as guiding the judge and lawyers on how court procedures have been carried out for donkey years.

Any attempt to combine both roles will be counter productive. That explains why science researchers have advised executives not to drive their cars themselves...you cannot be thinking of issues to discuss at the meeting you are going, receiving instantaneous updates, making clear judgments on them and expect to pay perfect attention to both the road and the condition of the car. That is also why, biologically speaking, in the central nervous system, the cerebrum is totally different from the medulla oblongata

Your take home from the above is this...the thinker must never be the driver in any organisation...and mr president cannot be the major thinker in all ministerial departments.




Second point, it is hard to tell from the outside on why a ministry has not been effective or has successively failed in its mandate....the PS may have stayed for over 15yrs in that service without much exposure to the larger society on how things are being better run. The PS may have run out of new ideas and so may have other civil service colleagues in the system...the minister comes with a 4yrs mandate to turn the fortunes around and is expected to give strong motivation and direction to the team while looking critically into what aspects of bureaucracy has hitherto lampooned the system into the current lacuna thereby reinvigorating the system out of such imbroglio.


Thirdly, when a ministry fails and the president wishes to strike them hard, the head is usually the first causality...the question now is...who should bell the cat? A civil servant who may be innocent and has put in over 25 years of hard work into the system? Or a recently appointed minister who maybe innocent but still has his own livelihood to fall back on?

I leave the answer to your judgment.

My final point is this...you cannot keep running things same way and expect a different result, if you want change, change the head. And that is why the constitution has made every ministry to be headed by someone who is changeable and not someone who is permanent.

I rest my case
You sealed it. I got nothing else to say
Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by izzieman: 4:37pm On Jun 27, 2015
Permanent Secretaries are professional career persons in their various ministries. Ministers are Politicians who come to Office on a Party Platform with a vision of how they want a country to progress. They (ministers) use the staff of the ministry to carry out their vision. This leaves the civil servants in the ministries IDEALLY clear of politicization.
Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by Nobody: 5:14pm On Jun 27, 2015
Saifullah01:
The thought just crossed my mind, the perm secs are the brain boxes in all ministries, ministers are just politicians.

Secondly I hope those accusing the president of weakness by not interfering in the NASS, will not turn around and insult him if he gives the EFCC same latitude in the performance of their duties

Your thoughts...
The perm sec is the accounting officer of the ministry that is He is the administrative head of the ministry. He carry out the policy of the president ..... The perm sec ensure all directors in each department carry out the policy of the president/federal government.......

The Minister is the eye and ear of the president in the ministry since president can't be in every ministry......He need somebody to represent him there.........The president serve the nation through each ministry............The minister is the reporting officer to the president and the minister reports through Federal Executive Council and National Executive Council. The minister ensure that the policy of the federal government as communicated to the ministry by the government is carried out to the latter ..... if there is any fallout in the ministry , the president would query the minister......

The Minister is very important and it is a must to have some as far as Nigerian Constitution is concerned and Federal Character must be complied with in choosing Ministers.

Therefore, the minister supervises the ministry on behalf of the president while the perm sec carry out the policy of the president.

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Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by jomoh: 5:33pm On Jun 27, 2015
myklangelo:
My BRo you are very right.
What is the need for Vice President since we have a president?
What is need for chancellor since we have a Vice Chancellor?
What is need for LGA chairmen since we have a governor?
What is need for House of Rep since we have Senators?
What is the need for Perm Secr, since they hve PAs that do all their work for them?
Why are humans working since computers are there?

Why are we never tired of fabricating excuses even when we know things are wrong?
Or are things right and wrong based solely on who is committing it and not on state of things?

My tutorial for the week is out...Igbo ga-adiririri!

The 1st Igbo language blog is out, it is fun and insightful. Visit, comment, share and criticize.www.odeniigbo..com

Stop making comparism that are not comparable just because of your inclination to castigate the president.

The role of head and its vice is not to be confused with that of senators and legislators and is also not to be confused with the supervisory role of a Minister.

The ministers role is very different from the ones you wrote above their.

A vice/deputy is there to stand in when the main head is not available.

The senators and legislators have no substitute in the constitution.

What is the need for Perm Secr, since they hve PAs that do all their work for them?

Really?

Honestly I've been restraining myself from typing insulting words just because of the bullcrap you wrote here but this has to be the breaking point.

Are you educated at all?

For you to use Perm sec and PA's as example not only shows hypocrisy but shows a high display of Ignorance.

Ministers are just supervisors selected by the President to supervise the activities of each ministry headed by a Perm sec. As long as the President feels he has the capability to supervise the ministries without Ministers then he is not constitutionally bound to select ministers. That is why there's no time frame for appointing ministers

Federal they are called Ministers
States they are called Commissioners
LGA they are called Supervisors

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Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by jumobi1(m): 6:38pm On Jun 27, 2015
If anything, what's the point of a perm sec?
Head of Departments can implement the ministers policies
Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by badesco(m): 7:49pm On Jun 27, 2015
Ministers are needed if not the permanent secretaries would turn themselves to God. there is need for checks and balances.
Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by baralatie(m): 7:59pm On Jun 27, 2015
jumobi1:
If anything, what's the point of a perm sec?
Head of Departments can implement the ministers policies
Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by Mustapha111888(m): 8:01pm On Jun 27, 2015
It is a political portfolio saddled with the responsibility to oversee government policies and its implementation in d ministry! In other word ministers are the representatives of the President in the ministries.

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Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by darmys(f): 8:37pm On Jun 27, 2015
Freemanan:


Lies...

Fund syphoning

of course na... but i dint want to say it lipsrsealed let us keep calling it division of labour
Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by Nobody: 9:11pm On Jun 27, 2015
darmys:


of course na... but i dint want to say it lipsrsealed let us keep calling it division of labour
Lol
Aii love
Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by mikolo80: 9:14am On Jun 28, 2015
myklangelo:
My BRo you are very right.
What is the need for Vice President since we have a president?
What is need for chancellor since we have a Vice Chancellor?
What is need for LGA chairmen since we have a governor?
What is need for House of Rep since we have Senators?
What is the need for Perm Secr, since they hve PAs that do all their work for them?
Why are humans working since computers are there?

Why are we never tired of fabricating excuses even when we know things are wrong?
Or are things right and wrong based solely on who is committing it and not on state of things?

My tutorial for the week is out...Igbo ga-adiririri!

The 1st Igbo language blog is out, it is fun and insightful. Visit, comment, share and criticize.www.odeniigbo..com
you sound illiterate.
Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by myklangelo(m): 9:56am On Jun 28, 2015
mikolo80:
you sound illiterate.

Ya I know you are.

My tutorial for the week is out...Igbo ga-adiririri!

The 1st Igbo language blog is out, it is fun and insightful. Visit, comment, share and criticize.www.odeniigbo..com
Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by Abagworo(m): 5:32pm On Sep 16, 2015
atbu1983:
The aim of appointing ministers is to compensate politicians.
Ministers are not very important in d true sense of it.

You hit the nail on the head.

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