Federal Government should please end this certificate discrimination between HND & B.Sc. holders in Federal Ministry of Interior (Prisons, Immigration, Civil Defence) and others in order to increase their productivity.

This discrimination is irrelevant, dangerious, unethical and unconstitutional.

There is a looming bloody clash between these two cadres at fields of operation due to live arms/ammunition they bear and that is why every well meaning Nigerian should help towards scrapping out this because you/ your family will become victim directly/indirectly & never ask God why because you caused it by not publishing or broadcasting this message.

Few of the discriminations witnessed in Min. of Interior are;
? HND (Inspectorate Cadre), while B.Sc. (Superintendent Cadre).
? Entry Level for HND is G/L 7, while a fellow Graduate with B.Sc. is G/L 8.
? HND G/L 7 earns (#70,000 pm), while B.Sc. G/L 8 earns (#120,000 pm).
? Terminal Point for HND is G/L 13, while B.Sc. is to the highest G/L.
? HND/ inspectorate cadre ranks are confusing, while superintendent
ranks are normal ranks/recognized ranks in military/paramilitary
agencies.
? B.Sc Holder hardly pay complement to his superior officer with HND certificate.
? HND graduates are denied one Grade Level during rank conversation.
? Above all, HND holder in this Ministry of Interior are regarded and treated as artisans with WASC or Trade Test qualifications.

It is shameful that staff of Ministry of Interior and others as affected no longer concentrate on their duties or bring ideas that could help the job, rather they focuse on getting more certificates by hook or by crook in order to be converted to superintendent cadre.

It is obvious that other well recognised security agencies like; Nigeria Military, DSS, Nigerian Police, etc do not discriminate
in ranking between HND & B.Sc. Holders.

Federal Government should merge Ministry of Interior with Police to stop this nonsense if they persists in this evil act called discrimination.

Polytechnic and university aint d same...so dnt expect Bsc n Hnd to be d same.....if u no like am...go open university of polytechnic na

Damfostopper:
Polytechnic and university aint d same...so dnt expect Bsc n Hnd to be d same.....if u no like am...go open university of polytechnic na

Learn to read well before contributing. Which constitution stated that they should be discriminated in Labour Market more expecially in a place where people bear live arms. I pray that you or your family becomes a direct victim or fall casualty to this unconstitutional and irrelevant discrimination.
Say Amen to my prayers above if you are still sure that B.Sc is constitutionally above HND.

Your spelling of "dangerous" is enough to show you off as a poly student. Many of them cant speak or write simple and correct English; just like you have displayed here. Now, which polytechnic did you graduate from? Your school's standard must have been very poor! "Dangerious"? Queen Elizabeth must hear this!

Its not fair, both shld be equal.

Is the entry requirement the same for Universities and Polytechnics? Is the course content the same?
So why expect them to handle the same job descriptions.

In Engineering the hierarchy is Engineers--Technologist--Technicians--Craftsmen--Artisans

The qualification for each is clear and the roles they play are quite different and one cannot be substituted for the other.There may be overlaps in reality, but Imagine Technicians insisting to also carry the title Engr.
HND/Technologist need not have inferiority complex, there is dignity in labour.

tonytony208:
Your spelling of "dangerous" is enough to show you off as a poly student. Many of them cant speak or write simple and correct English; just like you have displayed here. Now, which polytechnic did you graduate from? Your school's standard must have been very poor! "Dangerious"? Queen Elizabeth must hear this!

What you put up here is what I call 'kindergarten' English.

tonytony208:
Your spelling of "dangerous" is enough to show you off as a poly student. Many of them cant speak or write simple and correct English; just like you have displayed here. Now, which polytechnic did you graduate from? Your school's standard must have been very poor! "Dangerious"? Queen Elizabeth must hear this!

Tonytony208 you might be an educated illiterate or enlightened coward. You are a big disappointment to B.Sc Holders. Consult your dictionary before calling champion "shampion". I don't mean inault but advice.

Imokay:
Is the entry requirement the same for Universities and Polytechnics? Is the course content the same?
So why expect them to handle the same job descriptions.

In Engineering the hierarchy is Engineers--Technologist--Technicians--Craftsmen--Artisans

The qualification for each is clear and the roles they play are quite different and one cannot be substituted for the other.There may be overlaps in reality, but Imagine Technicians insisting to also carry the title Engr.
HND/Technologist need not have inferiority complex, there is dignity in labour.

Imokay, you spoke fine and I must commend you for a constructive point. My question is, where in Nigerian law or constitution is it written that you pay HND lower than B.Sc or that Nigerians should discriminate among the two certificate holders. The same group of B.Sc holder that brought about this discrimination for their selfish interest, are the same people that projects corruption in Nigeria.
Nigeria should do away with this selfish interest and look for intellectuals & ideas that could save Nigeria from its state.

Op e dey pain yu? Then go university na,to go polytechnic no be by force o.

funnyme:
Op e dey pain yu? Then go university na,to go polytechnic no be by force o.

Funnyme, I know that Nigeria will be incomplete without mad people like you.
For your information I have gotten my MBA from FUTO.
What I am talking is for reasonable people to contribute to the betterment of this Nation due to the dangers associated with it.
Note: this topic is not for dafts like you. Please don't see it as an insult but as an advice

Jakara:


Imokay, you spoke fine and I must commend you for a constructive point. My question is, where in Nigerian law or constitution is it written that you pay HND lower than B.Sc or that Nigerians should discriminate among the two certificate holders. The same group of B.Sc holder that brought about this discrimination for their selfish interest, are the same people that projects corruption in Nigeria.
Nigeria should do away with this selfish interest and look for intellectuals & ideas that could save Nigeria from its state.

Nice way to respond, however i don't think such matters are things you expect to be listed in a national constitution or an act needs to be enacted to give effect to it. Every service or organisation should be at liberty to determine what skill set is required to carryout it's job functions. For instance the legal department of a company need not given to a paralegal if the job function entails actions that must be taken by a lawyer called to the bar. A production company will not be helping itself if it employs too many engineers at the detriment of technologist and technicians it actually requires for it's bottomline.

The pay will be determined by the relative need and availability in the market of the skill set as such a fresh technologist from polytechnic with knowledge of programming and operating CNC machines may earn higher at entry level than his Bachelors engineering degree holder who will be a pupil handling product design and system planning. But it will be a misnomer for the technologist to insist on being a management trainee also, as that will not develop the skillset he came in with.

Are you also aware that some Welding technicians earn as high as 700K monthly in Oil and gas installations while an engineer with similar years of experience in oil service companies will be happy to go home with 350K.

Imokay:


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The truth of the matter is that such discrimination should not be witnessed by such paramilitary organisations that bear live firearms, it is not helping issues in Nigeria.

Does that mean that Ministry of Interior is more experienced than Nigerian Military, SSS, Police? Because this organisations do not discriminate between thir HND & B.Sc holders.

Jakara:


Tonytony208 you might be an educated illiterate or enlightened coward. You are a big disappointment to B.Sc Holders. Consult your dictionary before calling champion "shampion". I don't mean inault but advice.

What is this half-backed poly student saying? Where did your empty-skulled self hear me calling champion incorrectly? It is like you are hallucinating. You can go and die if you want. You will always be subject to BSC holders forever! Eediot.

ndidibabe:
What you put up here is what I call 'kindergarten' English.

Yeah, it is kindergarten English, but I got my spellings right. My written english is SIMPLE AND CORRECT. I am not like the half-baked poly fool you are defending, who couldn't spell dangerous correctly. And because YOU see it as kindergarten English doesn't make it such. Last time I checked, you are not a Briton. So, eediot, you've for no authority to judge my English.

end time

No b same jere

ok

Just passing by

unconstitutional indeed

Brilliant!

anyhow sha but me na Bsc. I get oh

I don't think there is anything that can be done constitutionally as regards this! For better chances and to avoid discrimination, You should strive to achieve a University education even after the Diploma, atleast to be on safer side

hmm

I'll rather suggest that, Bsc and Olevel should be collecting the same salaries........Abeg Uni work no else jo....ask student of UI,AUAA,OAU or FUTA.
Even to see 70K work per month no easy in this country again 80% of our youth now re involving in Internet Fraud.

Last Bullet===Its not how far but how well.

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funnyme:
Op e dey pain yu? Then go university na,to go polytechnic no be by force o.

University graduate with this type of comment..........The future of Nigeria is not Bright with Daft people like you....................Can Nigeria University admit every jambite each year?.........There are some Polytechinic graduate that are better than you Dim-wit

No difference, abeg. Whatz good for the goose should also be good for the gander.