johnydon22:

Need i remind you that isreali now is mainly a judaic country. .

75% of modern day isrealis practise Judaism. in fact only 2% practise Orthodox Christianity https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Israel

And most Judaic people regard Jesus as another case out of the 21 cases of messiah claims they have witness through out history, so they don't buy you belief of jesus relieving you of the law.
so unlike you, they have no belief in jesus or even have the new testament in their scriptures. . . they pretty much still believe they are under the law. . . so the reason why they don't employ these laws now is because they don't want to enter the 21st century list of terrorist groups just like not every muslim heeds to the barbaric charges in the koran

Scholar8200:



Yes, in fact this buttresses my point that they are in expectation of the Messiah to restore all things and so for now, my guess is that they perceive that the law can only be fully enforced afterwards. Judaism as we know it consists of the OT watered down many traditions introduced by the elders and the Pharisees/Rabbis: these additions was what blinded them to the Messiah's first coming
Besides, Jesus and His apostles (author of the Epistles) were all Jews! The rejection by a percentage of Israel and their current state etc was clearly analysed by one of them (a Jew) in the Epistles.

For a battle hardened nation that appears proud of their heritage, I dont think their restraint is as a result of fear of being called terrorists!

menesheh:



am talking about the god of the bible. i didn't quote qua-ran.

Scholar8200:


Question for thought: By what standard is morality to be gauged? Individual conscience? (the world becomes literal hell!) or what?( said you were done hence you dont need to answer but since you emphasize morals in your reply, you will do well to vouchsafe us a response)

johnydon22:


Morality as a human concept are actions that "Decreases individual human suffering and/or betters societal well being, freedom, equality, survival and justice. . . . . It is a concept born out of human perception as a result of human intellect,empathy and compassion. . . what we call conscience is just a product of human intellect

malvisguy212:
yoi are confused, why quote the quran?

Scholar8200:
Are you implying then that it's up to each man to develop his own set of moral actions? Afterall we all have an intellect.

menesheh:


That means they are believing the wrong god right?

BOLDED
Now same thing happened in the bible where god himself commanded you as living being to kill directly and even wipe out all living thing both children of 1 or 2 yrs old who know no sin. A loving god indeed.

Romans 1:24-32
Deuteronomy 22:20-21
Leviticus 20:13
Exodus 21:15
Chronicles 15:12-13
Zechariah 13:3
Deuteronomy 22:20-21


Now tell me the difference between you and the Muslims. They are even more proactive obeying their gods command and carrying out his command than you who out of sympathy, empathy, objectivity rejected your god and his commands and are here in Nairaland ranting nonsensical arguments.

There are so many things you don't know and same with me but on the process it don't be arrogant.

johnydon22:

First moral principles are quite different from socially acceptable actions postulated in different ways by different cultures.

From the definition i gave up there am sure you don't need any other person to help you recognize when an actions reduces human suffering or betters societal wellbeing, equality, justice, survival and freedom. .

Morality remains a collective human [size=20]Concept[/size] to represent a good action

NumberOne3:


Clearly, you do not understand Christianity. Christians are followers of Christ, books you quoted were for the Jews (children of Israel). Even at that, I doubt if the Jews still practice it today.

Part of where you quoted cos its new testament and concerns Christians:
Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. - Romans 1:32

So how many folks did Apostle Paul kill? NONE. How about Jesus? NONE.

Now, you should know that in the new testament, death is ETERNAL DAMNATION often called the 2nd death (HELL). Where as, normal death is referred to as SLEEPING cos we will rise again. Example amongst many in the bible:

He said unto them, Give place: for the maid is not dead, but sleepeth. And they laughed him to scorn. - Matthew 9:24
For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. - 1 Corinthians 11:30


I can explain the OLD TESTAMENT part as to the reason for the killings but its kinda lengthy.

NumberOne3:


So where does morality come in when a woman kills a baby (abortion)? What is the justification to kill?
I can understand medical complications to save the mothers life. However, how does an the death of an unwanted or untimed baby who poses no threat in your words
- reduces human suffering or betters societal wellbeing
- equality, justice, survival and freedom?

johnydon22:

I just hope you know the bible god is just as guilty as the quran god on this

mustymatic:

Guy if I can remember correctly u supported tha gay laws... which one is more barbaric?
they are all literally leading to extinction.... there is no such thing as being born that way, animals don't do that.

menesheh:



[b]You understood Christianity clearly.


-Is jesus the same as the Jewish god?
-Is god perfect?
-Why did god issue out such hideous laws at the first place?
-Are the jews not his people?
-Why the correction of old testament errors in the new the new testament?
--Why did he said that such law will guide them forever and ever?
-When is forever and ever coming to an end?
-Can a jew be a Christian?
-Why did jesus said he came to fulfill the same law and not abolish it?
-Is the old testament still relevant to Christians?
-Why even the need for jesus, a deity capable of creating the immense complexity of the gigantic universe, just belittle himself and still allowed himself to be tortured and executed by the creatures he created (his property) so that he will save himself?

Sir, there are things you know and those you didn't, in the future, you may discover those things and laugh at youself. You feel you know Christianity clearly and studied the bible too well, but in the process of it don't be arrogant. [/b]

johnydon22:

Ok just to be fair i don't understand your question, reconstruct it, this time make it more comprehendible

NumberOne3:


From your definition of morality. Where is the moral ground for abortion.

To me it is not a moral action because it is a detriment to the survival of the fetus. . . . This is my own subjective ideology, heard that the church of england says it is ok and a gift from god . . . to me abortion is not right because i cannot kill my own child

if you have paid mind to my definition you would have laid emphasis on the "survival" and it should be easy to have discerned that abortion is goes against the survival of the fetus, then i think you wouldn't have asked me such question

NumberOne3:


Ok, just so I don't waste my time. Will it help if I answer those questions or will more questions come?

menesheh:


That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

johnydon22:

[b]This is what happens when people don't study before making an assertion to address a matter.... First: I have no problem with gay laws because am not gay so it doesn't concern me...i choose to live my own life rather than worry over what people choose to do with themselves as long as it doesn't affect me, if they bring it to me then we have a problem.

Secondly what is barbaric in what two consenting adults decides to do with themselves? it is their decision same way its your decision to have sex with a woman.
Tell me how killing someone because he did something you don't like is not barbaric...

@bolded you clearly need to start reading your biology well and focus more of hormones.
numerous other animals have exhibited homosexual characters just like humans
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mammals_displaying_homosexual_behavior

Next time bro do your proper research before postulating an analogy in a public forum [/b]

mustymatic:

If those laws don't concern you since you're not gay, how does their laws concern you when you're not a Muslim
They are believers, you believe in nothing, that's a belief itself

people having sex with themselves doesn't affect us in anyway.

People killing other people affects humans because the people being killed and maimed are humans and killing people goes against human empathy, unless maybe your belief has rid you of your human empathy and compassion towards others. . . I for one value humans more

Yea unbelief is a belief just like OFF is a t.v channel

menesheh:




That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

mustymatic:

If those laws don't concern you since you're not gay, how does their laws concern you when you're not a Muslim
They are believers, you believe in nothing, that's a belief itself

Amujale:
All Abrahamic religious text are false, fake and counterintuitive.

tartar9:

...except from the Quran

johnydon22:
9 People has been sentenced to death in a Sharia court in Kano.

When first i came across this staggering headline, things running through my mind was: "Did they kill someone?" "Did they rape a girl to death?" to my surprise it was "Because of blasphemy"

Blasphemy on what and who. . what nonsense stupendous blasphemy demands the death of humans.

My question was; Is an insult on a dead man worth the life of 9people?

In fact an insult on a dead man, is it worth the life of anything even a dog?
For crying out loud, a dead man is a dead man and a living one is a living one.

Why has this religious laws reduced human judgement to a chronic barbaric state that you see such occurrence at which a supposed human dims it ok to take the life of 9 people because they spoke against a dead man of almost 1.6k years ago.

It is sheer barbarism and unfathomable. it is disheartening that a human can regard this to be justice.

johnydon22:

[i]A dead man is a dead man, why should a dead man be the reason for the living to loose their lives?

What happened to the simple fundamental human right of free speech. . . I think the 21st century has developed far enough as to not give room for such evil and barbaric acts. Why should judgement be based on the egoistic sentiment of a set of people or maybe the concept of justice changes its meaning when it enters the scope of religion cus this is nothing near justice or right. . .

johnydon22:

This is a question for muslims
"Is the killing of 9 humans because they blasphemed a justifiable act?