OREMUSSANCTUS:
Buh d discrimination is too much Its not suppose to be so Its just dat we place too much emphasis on Bsc degrees.

You finally talked sense today. I thought you were always looking for change?

tonytony208:


Yeah, it is kindergarten English, but I got my spellings right. My written english is SIMPLE AND CORRECT. I am not like the half-baked poly fool you are defending, who couldn't spell dangerous correctly. And because YOU see it as kindergarten English doesn't make it such. Last time I checked, you are not a Briton. So, eediot, you've for no authority to judge my English.

You don't want your written english to be judged, but you were doing same to another person's grammar.

You shouldn't have made that last statement...you just shot yourself in the foot.

MsTIQ:
I don't think there is anything that can be done constitutionally as regards this! For better chances and to avoid discrimination, You should strive to achieve a University education even after the Diploma, atleast to be on safer side

Word. I spent 3 years studying Chemical engineering in kadpoly, I realised the danger ahead while in access bank training. I wrote another jamb and at the same time applied through DE. Meet a Quantity surveyor in the making; proudly ABUSITE

Jakara:


Funnyme, I know that Nigeria will be incomplete without mad people like you.
For your information I have gotten my MBA from FUTO.
What I am talking is for reasonable people to contribute to the betterment of this Nation due to the dangers associated with it.
Note: this topic is not for dafts like you. Please don't see it as an insult but as an advice

Perfect response to that unthinking juvenile!

Imokay:
Is the entry requirement the same for Universities and Polytechnics? Is the course content the same?
So why expect them to handle the same job descriptions.

In Engineering the hierarchy is Engineers--Technologist--Technicians--Craftsmen--Artisans

The qualification for each is clear and the roles they play are quite different and one cannot be substituted for the other.There may be overlaps in reality, but Imagine Technicians insisting to also carry the title Engr.
HND/Technologist need not have inferiority complex, there is dignity in labour.

I want you to tell the courses in which engineering student are offering in university that polytechnic students didn't offer. for me, am a graduate of polytechnic and I have met my counterparts from university and discovered that they are just empty barrel. i sent my transcript to world education service in USA and the number of credit unit I offered is even more than B.sc. note I graduated with distinction in civil engineering. if u are graduate of civil engineering we can enter into academic duel.

d federal ministry of interior should be called to order. dis issue is causing palpable tension & irritation in dat ministry. It is unfair & doesn't make for industrial harmony when a section of d work force is being treated & looked down upon so condescendingly.
HND holders in dat ministry ar not only classified as non-commissioned officers but also as JUNIOR STAFF. d salary disparity is extremely disturbing. d HND holder earns less than N70,000 while d BSC holder earns a little less than N120,000. To every unbiased person dis is utterly shameful more so when i think of my cousin who spent cumulatively 4yrs in a polytechnic to obtain her HND. While she was in full time school, her friend was working, earning money & attending weekend classes at a satellite campus of a university. Today, she is an Inspector of Prisons earning about N70,000 while her friend who attended a satellite campus on ikorodu road is an Asst Sup of Prisons earning about N120,000.
We should always strive 4 balance & equity whether we ar directly involved or not. An injustice to one is an injustice to all.

Jakara:


Learn to read well before contributing. Which constitution stated that they should be discriminated in Labour Market more expecially in a place where people bear live arms. I pray that you or your family becomes a direct victim or fall casualty to this unconstitutional and irrelevant discrimination.
Say Amen to my prayers above if you are still sure that B.Sc is constitutionally above HND.

[b]for HND/B.sc disparity .....

I was once in Polytechnic before porting to uni thus I have experienced both Institutions and I can tell you the condition and parameters of learning in both Institution differs as far as academic is concern.

B.sc is Bachelor of Science ...which implies you have been "theoretically, conceptually and pragmatically" equipped to relate with modalities of your discipline

while

HND , "Higher National Diploma" implied you have been pragmatically (practically) equipped to relate with modalities in your discipline as theoretically and conceptually conceived by a B.sc/M.sc/PhD holder.

Polytechnics in a bid to make more money has delved into discipline they don't have resources to undertake .....

at parity, You can't compare somebody who has been tutored by professors with somebody who hardly passed through a PhD holder in his/her entire academic life.


Polytechnic is a technical school from her name "technics" the poly implies the discipline in such Institution is more than one technical discipline e.g Civil engineering, Elect elect , Mech eng etc ..... we also have monotechnics , an institution that specialise in one technical discipline e.g Civil engineering.

At Parity, you can't expect somebody who is theoretically, conceptually and pragmatically oriented to be at the same level with someone who is much pragmatically oriented with little conceptualizing and theoretical underpinnings, frameworks and background[/b] .......

Also requirements for delving into University at UTME/SSCE is relaxed for those in HND ...... While B.sc is strictly five credits including maths and English and Jamb score of strictly 180 minimum such requirements is relaxed for entrance into poly where U may be talking about 3credit units and 160 below jamb score

Please learn things yourself before you dabble into conclusions. Those people who give Poly 70,000 and B.sc 120,000 are not fo.ol and it is not as if they don't know what they are doing .

You can't compare B.sc accounting/M.sc Accounting/PhD Accounting with a Chartered Accountant in terms of trainings received and pay ...... the PhD/B.sc/M.sc are academic orientations while ICAN is a professional/Practical orientation that is why HND holders in accounting excel well in ICAN than B.sc Accounting at parity

if you have HND , technical orientation, before you can dabble into academic orientation , you would convert you technical knowledge at PGD (Post Graduate Diploma) schools before you move into M.Sc while a B.sc holder will move straight into M.Sc unless you carry third class/pass then you also get to retrained at PGD schools before moving up academic ladder.

Education is more than practical, some people evolve these courses we are studying from great effort of research and contributions to knowledge through strong theories , conceptualisations and empirical issues to allow real life relationships between concpets and theories.

It is quite embarrassing in Nigeria for some people to just enter into a school without knowing, understanding and preparing for the kind of knowledge to be exposed to ..... You don't just go to school without understanding the kinda knowledge they are impacting therein and the kinda knowledge they have impacted on you.


I am tired of B.sc/HND parity .... until you go to University yourself, you would not be able to ascertain the difference between these two levels of knowledge.

There are so many kids on this thread.

Here is a wonderful topic that should be looked into, maybe the power of social media might circulate it and it will get to the appropriate authority.

But People are judging here who speaks better English language. And they forgot that English is just a language just like hausa, igbo and Youruba.

Being fluent in English language does not make one intelligent. My former boss is from England. He can't really spell some words. I used to help sometimes. But you might be wondering hmmm!!! but that's his language.

Just the way some of us can't spell our language but speaks them, that's how English language should be seen.

MsTIQ:
I don't think there is anything that can be done constitutionally as regards this! For better chances and to avoid discrimination, You should strive to achieve a University education even after the Diploma, atleast to be on safer side

I have both Polytechnic and University Certificates, which is expensive, what about those that can not afford it. That is why you and I should join hands in ending this madness by publishing/broadcasting it and if possible relating it with our friends and relations in NASS because of its looming danger in Nigeria.

axiliborha:

Lmao

I think poly, should also start awarding b.tech instead of hnd to bridge d discrimination

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tonytony208:
Your spelling of "dangerous" is enough to show you off as a poly student. Many of them cant speak or write simple and correct English; just like you have displayed here. Now, which polytechnic did you graduate from? Your school's standard must have been very poor! "Dangerious"? Queen Elizabeth must hear this!

Lmao.. i said this the other time when this topic came on fp and everybody wanted to kill me that day. I still maintain my stand that poly students are not well refined graduates of higher institutions of learning.

tonytony208:
Your spelling of "dangerous" is enough to show you off as a poly student. Many of them cant speak or write simple and correct English; just like you have displayed here. Now, which polytechnic did you graduate from? Your school's standard must have been very poor! "Dangerious"? Queen Elizabeth must hear this!

Assassination of Queens English!!!

GODAKPAN:
ADMITTION REQUIREMENTS: BSC=5 CREDIT PLUS 4 JAMB SUBJECTS AND HND=4 CREDIT PLUS 3 JAMB SUBJECTS, WHY THE NOISE? I HAVE BOTH AND I KNOW WHAT AM SAYING. I EVEN HAVE CITY ANG GUILDS LEVEL 4 WHICH IS EQUIVALENT TO HND. GUY GO TO SCHOOL AND STOP SCREAMING. LAW AND MEDICAL GRADUATE STARTS AT LEVEL 10 WHILE OTHERS START AT LEVEL 8. WHY ARE WE NOT KILLING OURSELVES. ENUFF OF DIS CERTIFICATE COMPARISM AS THEY DIDNT START TODAY, THEY WERE THERE BEFORE YOU STARTED SCHOOL.
EACH TIME YOU COME UP WITH ISSUES LIKE THIS, YOU END UP RIDDICULING THE HND GRADUATES. WE KNEW OUR FAITH BEFORE AND DURING SCHOOL. THEY WERE NEVER EQUALS THATS WHY YOU NEED HND TO DO A YEAR 3 DIRECT ENTRY PROGRAMME IN A UNIVERSITY PLUS YOUR MANDATORY BASIC O'LEVEL

I have both Polytechnic and University Certificates too, which is expensive, what about those that can not afford it. That is why you and I should join hands in ending this madness by publishing/broadcasting it and if possible relating it with our friends and relations in NASS because of its looming danger in Nigeria.

In ur opinion everybdy shld b equally paid in d workplace since dia is no law stipulating any standard 4 payment........educated or not

Bollove:
[b]for HND/B.sc disparity .....

I was once in Polytechnic before porting to uni thus I have experienced both Institutions and I can tell you the condition and parameters of learning in both Institution differs as far as academic is concern.

B.sc is Bachelor of Science ...which implies you have been "theoretically, conceptually and pragmatically" equipped to relate with modalities of your discipline while HND , Higher National Diploma implied you have been pragmatically (practically) equipped to relate with modalities in your discipline as theoretically and conceptually evolved by a B.sc/M.sc/PhD holder

Polytechnics in a bid to make more money has delved into discipline they don't have resources to undertake .....

at parity, You can't compare somebody who has been tutored by professors with somebody who hardly passed through a PhD holder in his/her entire academic life.


Polytechnic is a technical school from her name "technics" the poly implies the discipline in such Institution is more than one technical discipline e.g Civil engineering, Elect elect , Mech eng etc ..... we also have monotechnics , an institution that specialise in one technical discipline e.g Civil engineering.

At Parity, you can't expect somebody who is theoretically, conceptually and pragmatically oriented to be at the same level with someone who is much pragmatically oriented with little conceptualizing[/b]

Please learn things yourself before you dabble into conclusions. Those people who gives Poly 70,000 and B.sc 120,000 are not fool.

It is quite embarrassing in Nigeria for some people to just enter into a school without knowing, understanding and preparing for the kind of knowledge to be exposed to ..... You don't just go to school without understanding the kinda knowledge they are impacting therein.


I am tired of B.sc/HND parity .... until you go to University yourself, you would not be able to ascertain the difference between two levels of knowledge.

U ar getting it twisted. dis is not strictly about HND & BSC & which is superior. dis is about d systemic imbalance in d federal ministry of interior which is scandalous to say d least. dat ministry classifies HND holders as JUNIOR staff. d wage disparity is so outrageous dat it's causing palpable tension & irritation among d workforce. What obtains in d ministry is unfair & doesn't make for industrial harmony when a section of d work force is being treated & looked down upon so condescendingly.
HND holders in dat ministry ar not only classified as non-commissioned officers but also as JUNIOR STAFF. d salary disparity is extremely disturbing. d HND holder earns less than N70,000 while d BSC holder earns a little less than N120,000. dis things could be balanced better to make everyone hav a sense of belonging & being appreciated.
We should always strive 4 balance & equity whether we ar directly involved or not. An injustice to one is an injustice to all.
NB: I'm not an HND holder or a staff of d ministry but I hav a relative in there & I share her pain at d level of mistreatment of HND holders in d paramilitary establishments under dat ministry.

Jakara:


Imokay, you spoke fine and I must commend you for a constructive point. My question is, where in Nigerian law or constitution is it written that you pay HND lower than B.Sc or that Nigerians should discriminate among the two certificate holders. The same group of B.Sc holder that brought about this discrimination for their selfish interest, are the same people that projects corruption in Nigeria.
Nigeria should do away with this selfish interest and look for intellectuals & ideas that could save Nigeria from its state.

What do you mean by "discriminate " maybe you can explain that a bit better. Though your referral to the constitution is confusing and "confused" I must say with respect.
What people earn in practice is determined by the market demand and supply. I won't call it "discrimination" that men footballers and sportsmen generally get paid more than women that is the market.
Unfortunately you have used two words here "discrimination and unconstitutional" in very strange ways.

If you want to have a debate about equivalence of Bsc and HnD by all means start a thread for that and I am sure there would be no shortage of debaters. This constitutional angle seems quite infantile. The fact that you even raise constitutionality that shows that you lack the cerebral infrastructure to do justice to the subject.

The obvious solution is to phase out HnDs as employers clearly don't like them and elevate all HnD awarding institutions to Universities
so as to solve the problem of the phenomenon of the so called BINARY DIVIDE.

swimcash:
@op, y shld dey b equal? since wen A n B na same? comparin both is an insult 2 all proffessors n Bsc holders. if e no b panadol, e no fit b panadol...period

The professors are the ones taking Nigeria backwards through looting and projecting issues like this other than idea that could make us have hope like leaders of tomorrow.
I have both Polytechnic (HND) and University (MBA) Certificates, which is expensive, what about those that can not afford it.
That is why you and I should join hands in ending this madness by publishing/broadcasting it and if possible relating it with our friends and relations in NASS because of its looming danger in Nigeria.

Op, please respect the intelligence of your fellow polytechnic graduates by correcting this DANGERIOUS to DANGEROUS. Please also note that your indirect insistence as regards the correctness of the spelling could be justifying the discrimination.
Also note that nairaland has subscribers all over the world.

Jakara:


Learn to read well before contributing. Which constitution stated that they should be discriminated in Labour Market more expecially in a place where people bear live arms. I pray that you or your family becomes a direct victim or fall casualty to this unconstitutional and irrelevant discrimination.
Say Amen to my prayers above if you are still sure that B.Sc is constitutionally above HND.

I get your point...So you're are saying part of their job description requires them to put their lives on the line for people and country....In that light since the ultimate performance measure is to die on duty, then paper qualification such as Bsc/Hnd should carry equal credence? I totally agree with you!!!

Jakara:


I have both Polytechnic and University Certificates too, which is expensive, what about those that can not afford it. That is why you and I should join hands in ending this madness by publishing/broadcasting it and if possible relating it with our friends and relations in NASS because of its looming danger in Nigeria.

IT CANT BE SAME, WE CAN ABOLISH POLY EDUCATION AND EQUATE ENTRY REQUIREMENTS/CURRICULLUM BEFORE TALKING OF EQUATING FINAL CERT. CONSIDER THE REQUIREMENTS ALSO OF THEIR LECTURERS. U NEED A PHD BASIC TO LECTURE IN UNI AND A GOOD 1ST DEGREE FOR POLY. WHY CANT WE SEE DIS. IF U STILL WANNNA EQUATE, MERGE ASUU AND ASUP, NUC AND .....................BOARD DAT CONTROL POLY EDUCATION. MY BROTHER, NOTHING IS THE SAME, SO THE FINAL CERT SHOULDNT BE SAME. WE HAVE/HAD CHOICES BEFORE EMBARKING ON EACH SO WHY CHANGE THE GOAL POST AFTER CONCLUDING THE SCHOOLING. I EMBARKED ON POLY because I NEEDED TO WORK AFTER OND. THE CHOICE WAS MINE, MIND YOU, I STILL WORK WITH MY HND AND NO PLANS TO DROP IT SOON COS AM CONTENTED. FAR BETTER THAN SOME 1ST DEGREE JOB.

This will serve as a lesson to parents and kids seeking admission. Its not all about going to higher institution, or just doing a course, u have to knw wot it entails. In my own case, I had to stay at home for 6yrs because I didn't get admitted for d course of my choice and thanks to God I eventually got in. Not that I wasn't admitted into other courses, I had admission all those six years buh they were not my choice.

As for d poly stuff, I thank God I had a father who have once suffered d same fate as op, he made sure none out of his six kids ever took d Poly jamb form talk less of getting admitted into poly.

The truth is, the removal of the supposed disparity that exist between graduates of the two programmes will be more akin to the wisdom of a man that ignored leprosy only to dissipate his energy to treating ringworm. For us, the best solution to address this supposed disparity is for the government to convert the existing polytechnics in the country to full-fledged Universities of Technology to still close the gap of the middle-manpower needs of our society.

Perhaps, an understanding of the whole essence of us having polytechnics in the first place will give us a better understanding of the issue here. First, all stakeholders will agree that the Walter Elliot Commission of 1943, Eric Ashby Commission of 1959, Dr. A. Skanska’s report of 1962 and other conferences sought to engender the development of technical manpower in Nigeria. In other words, these are established to train technical middle level manpower in the country. Then the Federal Polytechnic Statue enacted Decree No. 33 of 1979 as amended by Decree No. 5 of 1993, to give legal basis for the establishment of Federal Polytechnics in Nigeria. The principal aim for the establishment of Polytechnics in Nigeria is to turnout the middle-level manpower needed for industrial and technological development of the country.

This will serve as a lesson to parents and kids seeking admission. Its not all about going to higher institution, or just doing a course, u have to knw wot it entails. In my own case, I had to stay at home for 6yrs because I didn't get admitted for d course of my choice and thanks to God I eventually got in. Not that I wasn't admitted into other courses, I had admission all those six years buh they were not my choice.

As for d poly stuff, I thank God I had a father who have once suffered d same fate as op, he made sure none out of his six kids ever took d Poly jamb form talk less of getting admitted into poly. So we grew up with d mind set that university is superior than d polytechnic.

Jakara:


I have both Polytechnic and University Certificates, which is expensive, what about those that can not afford it. That is why you and I should join hands in ending this madness by publishing/broadcasting it and if possible relating it with our friends and relations in NASS because of its looming danger in Nigeria.

It is not madness abeg. read my post above.

tonytony208:
Your spelling of "dangerous" is enough to show you off as a poly student. Many of them cant speak or write simple and correct English; just like you have displayed here. Now, which polytechnic did you graduate from? Your school's standard must have been very poor! "Dangerious"? Queen Elizabeth must hear this!

Dude.....you ought to be ashamed of yourself.....your standard of measuring his intelligence is based on a FOREIGN standard. After-all English language is not our Mother tongue! What i am trying to say is this.......re-read his write up and you will see he has made a clear distinction as to when it is or not permissible to discriminate between the forms of qualification....It is implied when you focus a little bit more ....LOL...pele, i know it's not easy to use a large portion of our brains!!!!

Tonytony208 even if you are a b.sc holder, I can bet u with my life, u can't Survive in RIVPOLY. Come na make them WAF u

Jakara:


The professors are the ones taking Nigeria backwards through looting and projecting issues like this other than idea that could make us have hope like leaders of tomorrow.
I have both Polytechnic (HND) and University (MBA) Certificates, which is expensive, what about those that can not afford it.
That is why you and I should join hands in ending this madness by publishing/broadcasting it and if possible relating it with our friends and relations in NASS because of its looming danger in Nigeria.

You have certificates you don't know their meaning and implications . This is embarrassing.

This is like a carpenter fighting a mechanic .... both of you no dey trained on the same thing na.

MBA is a professional course (You will be equipped with pragmatics issues in the business world) not an academic course .... so there is nothing like university MBA as you stated above because there is no Polytechnic MBA in the first place.

Master Business Administration (MBA) is even different from M.sc Business Administration ......

We just have to understand our certificates ... don't just go to school and take them because of money you will collect as a result of possessing one ...... kindly try to ascertain what you are trained for.

redcliff:


Lmao.. i said this the other time when this topic came on fp and everybody wanted to kill me that day. I still maintain my stand that poly students are not well refined graduates of higher institutions of learning.

B.Sc fools are the ones taking Nigeria backwards through looting and projecting issues like this other than bringing idea that could make youths have hope like leaders of tomorrow.
I have both Polytechnic (HND) and University (MBA) Certificates, which is expensive, what about those that can not afford it.
That is why you and I should join hands in ending this madness by publishing/broadcasting it and if possible relating it with our friends and relations in NASS because of its looming danger i

hisprinceship:
anyhow sha but me na Bsc. I get oh

Una go dey brag, u don dey work with ur Bsc now?

the disparity BTW university and polytechnic education did not start from Nigeria and won't end here. education is global. op stop being sentimental.