johnydon22:
Thats good !!!

It is up to us humans to make things right because we are sure we are here in thus material universe. . If we wait on abstract concepts like deities to do anything for us then nothing will ever get done..

If we need to push a cup we must do it for ourselves waiting a deity that cup will remain there forever, if you see a hungry man know that only you as a human can render help and nothing else because at least you real and sure of it.

It is up to us to make things right in the planet we live in because it is our home

Thoniameek:


Ahn ahn..... Not refuting anything there
As matter of fact I agree with everything you just wrote

But, am not denying the presence of my creator

Hahahahaha am not asking you to lay waste your convictions abeg...

At least give credit to the people who deserve it, we all know how you came into existence..it was a long night..hahahaha

johnydon22:
Hahahahaha am not asking you to lay waste your convictions abeg...

At least give credit to the people who deserve it, we all know how you came into existence..it was a long night..hahahaha

plaetton:


Sorry, you cannot serve two masters at once.

It is either you serve the irrational religion or you serve your rational impulses.
So far, your rational impulses are getting the better of you.

I personally believe that certain people are born with heightened impulses that make them, over time, impervious to religious BULLSHYTES.

Congratulations! You are one the few.

Overcome your fear, walk tall, walk free and exercise your mental sovereignty.

Eddlad:



I am 'freerer' than you.Born free I grew up to learn and make a decision to 'chose' ,you still roam these lands not knowing if your 'heart' is being sought, there is just some level of restriction inconclusion brings.
For I believe atheism hasnt given you all the answers has it?

Why would you make ever insinuate that Christianity is contrary to reasoning?If you couldn't reason radically the bible then that would be in itself a failure.
Let me enlighten you here,

The absence of 'tangible' proof of God's existence has remained one of the most unfathomable maneuvers ever justified by its results. It establishes doubtless proof for those who perceived and finally we enabled to see and raises questions in the hearts of those that didn't perceive as to whether a man who give his all to nothing or if truely there was God.

Its results speak for itself, it enabled 12 people to propagate the gospel inspite of fear, love for the world and relation.

johnydon22:
That he create a billion of us still remains a claim that you are yet to substantiate, so stop making more.

So then why should i take you serious when you make claims of having an idea about God without showing us how you got to know.. God have not been able to substantiate himself that is why the concept rest on YOU to speak for it..

Until you who is the claimant of knowing a God substantiate your claim by proving to us that there really is such an entity, it remains nothing more than your claim.... Goodluck with that

plaetton:


Gosh!
I would respond to this tangled web of fragmented thought pattern if only I knew I how to untangle this shameful assemblage of meaningless anecdotes.

afroniger:


I don't know whether it's one god or more than one. But I've proven it, satisfactorily to my own mind, that man was indeed created (most likely as an ongoing experiment) by [an] intelligent being(s) . I'll try and explain why I think so. Quoting from an article titled, "Can Life Arise from Non-Life". (http://web.csulb.edu/~jmastrop/PDF/RediPasteurListTyndall.pdf)

That right there is SCIENTIFIC proof that Life can only come from Life -- For man to have life and breath, to actually be alive, that life had to be imparted from ANOTHER LIFE(-BEING). There's a LIFE SOURCE somewhere, even if unseen.

To suggest to myself that anything man can invent, make, build, or bring into being could be superior in intelligence and ability to the human mind that created it, would certainly insult the human intelligence. At least so far man has yet to attain such a feat. Now, in light of this simple fact, do you honestly believe that any power or force of lesser intelligence than your own mind could have produced you as an intelligent being? Of NECESSITY, that mind that produced you and I had to be of FAR GREATER intelligence than ours.

I have atleast 3 more proofs, but I think i'll stop here. Like I said, I have proved it without a shred of doubt that man has a LIVING Creator.

menesheh:


You curiously continue attacking organised religion while your own belief is the worst ever, look at the reason you gave above (BOLDED) for believing that an entity must exist somewhere in the cosmos. Not only that, you are 100% certain that it is plausible. Still on-top you quoted an external article. Ok. Freedom of believe.

Now as you said, explain why you said so?

Life coming from life don't require special scientific prove, you see it happen everyday and everywhere. Your mother gave birth to you and you see other animals replicate itself, it is a demonstrable proof.

Or are you saying that there is life somewhere that gave birth to the first life on earth right? If.... Is it dark or white, where is the place we can find it, who created it or how did it form?

Bro, you don't have to invent any inexplicable deity from your brain because it seems to you that there must be a higher being that is capable of creating the immensity of everything without explanation of how the stuff is, the mechanisms it employed in creating things. It is illusionary and and delusional.

You never proven any thing, start the remaining more 3.
Your proves must have demonstrable mechanisms or explanations that another person can see through it and do the same thing if you ever care whether or not your belief is a fact and not a delusion.

dd12345:


christianity is not a religion ...not a set of dos and donts...its a way of life...its a personal relationship with God...thats a want you to seek for...the bible ye shall find me when you seek me with all your heart...

i was once in your state few years ago...confused...not knowing what to believe again...saw so many contrdictions in the scripture and no body to explain it to me...THANK GOD I FOUND GOD AT LAST...you too can find God and have a deep relationship with him...just like you know your mum and no outsider will be able to describe her better to you more than you know her...just the same away...


AND IF YOU ARE IN LAGOS...I CAN LEAD YOU TO WHERE AND HOW YOU CAN DEVELOP PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD...

bananaboi:


please advise me, I want to practice christianity and still have my senses intact

UyiIredia:
First off, being agnostic isn't a position. You can be agnostic and still be a theist, a deist or an atheist. That said, being a Christian doesn't mean you must believe every Tom, Dick and Harry with a Bible that claims to work miracles.

oluwalfa:
op, you are on the right path.
Lord Satan salutes you.

Redlyn:


Not sure if anyone has mentioned it in the thread so far but agnosticism is a valid position on its own without being attached to any belief. There are pure agnostics that do not identify with either atheism or theism.
Agnosticism means the existence of god is unknown (weak agnosticism) and possibly unknowable (strong agnosticism).
So it is possible to neither believe nor disbelief in God by virtue of your agnosticism.

Thoniameek:


Bro, I've been there before

Here was what I did

* I stopped attending church, all churches (by churches I mean denominations), but once in a while I attented scriptures Union, which is nondenominational fellowship

* I bought for myself three bibles,,,,,,king James version, Goodnews and new international version. I read for myself the entire bible in a year and dwelled more on the book of Romans, John, the Corinthians, Ephesians

* I surfed the internet asking questions, Google for instance and YouTube, on YouTube you can subscribe to Jefferson Bethke or follow him on Facebook

* If you're not too scared, read some articles written by atheist, gave me hope. Spend time on their blogs (not the ones on nairaland, them be learners, especially davien) foreign ones

* Follow what you've believed, no matter what anyone tells you,,,,,,,,,,,,, that's if you're not already an atheist by then

Jesus loves you......

UyiIredia:


It isn't a position precisely because of that. If you claim that God is unknown or unknowable, you haven't told me whether you believe in God or not. It's not uncommon for Christians to say God is unknowable or mysterious. And As I said, deists and atheists can be agnostic about their belief or lack of. So if one claims to be agnostic, the question of what type of agnostic the person is, agnostic theist, deist or atheist and unfortunately many so-called agnostics are atheists who don't believe in a God.

Redlyn:


That is because you consider that there are only 2 positions, left or right and choose to ignore dead center.
ie. I neither believe nor disbelieve because I don't know.
Technically you could call such a person an atheist (implicit), in the same way a baby is also an implicit atheist. But if we are talking about explicit positions, it is simply Agnostic. I have been through being agnostic before I fully embraced my lack of belief and now I am a fully fledged atheist / agnostic atheist.

UyiIredia:


There is no dead center in this issue. You either believe in God or you don't. Babies aren't atheists, using your logic animals and rocks are atheists which is silly.

afroniger:


I don't know whether it's one god or more than one. But I've proven it, satisfactorily to my own mind, that man was indeed created (most likely as an ongoing experiment) by [an] intelligent being(s). I'll try and explain why I think so. Quoting from an article titled, "Can Life Arise from Non-Life". (http://web.csulb.edu/~jmastrop/PDF/RediPasteurListTyndall.pdf)



You can visit the link and learn more.

That right there is SCIENTIFIC proof that Life can only come from Life -- For man to have life and breath, to actually be alive, that life had to be imparted from ANOTHER LIFE(-BEING). There's a LIFE SOURCE somewhere, even if unseen.


Also, I'm sure you'll admit that the transmission of knowledge to your mind is limited to the channels of your five senses -- sight, smell, taste, touch, and hearing. Look at the planets in the sky, they are inanimate, they have no mind, no intelligence. They can't do what you and I can do -- think, reason, plan and carry out plans according to private volition and will. Our human minds can know, think, reason, plan and carry out its plans to execution. It can invent and produce instruments for the acquisition of even more knowledge of the vast universe, or of the minutest particle, e.t.c. He can cause rivers to run backward, turn the forces of nature to serving human needs. But there remains one thing no man ever has been able to do. He cannot build, make, produce, or create anything that is superior to himself -- a computer doesn't even come close, neither is the so-called 'artificial intelligence'. In short, no matter what man builds, he can control, override, and even destroy it coz he CREATED IT.
To suggest to myself that anything man can invent, make, build, or bring into being could be superior in intelligence and ability to the human mind that created it, would certainly insult the human intelligence. At least so far man has yet to attain such a feat. Now, in light of this simple fact, do you honestly believe that any power or force of lesser intelligence than your own mind could have produced you as an intelligent being? Of NECESSITY, that mind that produced you and I had to be of FAR GREATER intelligence than ours.

I have atleast 3 more proofs, but I think i'll stop here. Like I said, I have proved it without a shred of doubt that man has a LIVING Creator.

winner01:
even johnydon22, menehseh, weah96....learners...all of them

johnydon22:
Hahahahahaha abi?

I agree with you tho, in life we can only keep learning. If you stop learning you start dying. So learning is rather good than bad in this case.

A subtle thought that is in error may yet give rise to fruitful enquiry that can establish truths of great value

winner01:
Almost true, except that the thoughts are more of open and liberating than subtle and in error. And truth seems subjective, at least to the atheist. As much as i want to say you try to make sense sometimes, i read your comments most times and i see empty words.
Buh kudos to you though, you do a bad job contending with believers.

johnydon22:
Hahahahaha i will take that as a compliment from a hurt ego and out of sentimental tilt . . . Understandable