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| Re: ( MUST READ) Four Reasons Why We Cant Lose Our Salvation by spencerwilliams(m): 6:39pm On Jul 31, 2015 |
jiggaz:You are even afraid of looking critically into the scripture,he quoted scriptures,but instead of explaining them to him if he is wrong,you went ahead by saying:you can not convince me again.Listen you have no understand of grace,mercy or salvation,you just say grace grace grace without understanding.May GOD help you. 1 Like |
| Re: ( MUST READ) Four Reasons Why We Cant Lose Our Salvation by jiggaz(m): 7:37pm On Jul 31, 2015 |
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| Re: ( MUST READ) Four Reasons Why We Cant Lose Our Salvation by jiggaz(m): 7:38pm On Jul 31, 2015 |
spencerwilliams:I am through with you. Just leave dis thread cos we can never agree. |
| Re: ( MUST READ) Four Reasons Why We Cant Lose Our Salvation by jiggaz(m): 7:44pm On Jul 31, 2015 |
spencerwilliams:May God help you too. Everything was explained at the beginning of this thread with scriptures why a Believer can never lose His Salvation and you are here yarning rubbish...... I have said it before and i am saying it again, i am not here to argue with you people...... Grace is what it is.... Don't quote me again!!!!!! |
| Re: ( MUST READ) Four Reasons Why We Cant Lose Our Salvation by Nobody: 8:48pm On Jul 31, 2015 |
Heb 10:26 For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has set aside the law of Moses dies without mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses. 29 How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him who said, “Vengeance is mine; I will repay.” And again, “The Lord will judge his people.” 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: ( MUST READ) Four Reasons Why We Cant Lose Our Salvation by jiggaz(m): 9:56pm On Jul 31, 2015 |
You can quote Scriptures from here till whenever, i don't care. Go to the beginning of my post to see how i explained everything. ONCE YOU ARE SAVED, YOU CANNOT BE UNSAVED. God's promise of eternal life to us cannot be changed. I wonder why it is very difficult for u people to understand or are you people jealous, angry or what  ? God is not man and can never think like man. So you can argue from now till whenever, plz be ma guest but i have put all of you on IGNORE BUTTON. You people are the Modern day PHARISEES & SADUCCEES.... You think you are Holy and pretend with your so-called Self Righteousness meanwhile y'all are wallowing in secret sins.... Plz carry your sanctimonious selves outta here.... |
| Re: ( MUST READ) Four Reasons Why We Cant Lose Our Salvation by 5solas(m): 1:35pm On Aug 01, 2015 |
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| Re: ( MUST READ) Four Reasons Why We Cant Lose Our Salvation by 5solas(m): 1:46pm On Aug 01, 2015 |
westmest:Please read on to the end of the chapter! |
| Re: ( MUST READ) Four Reasons Why We Cant Lose Our Salvation by truthman2012(m): 5:11pm On Aug 01, 2015 |
We need God's grace to live above sin because: ...Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?(Rom. 6:1-2). If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God (Hebrews 10:26-27). 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: ( MUST READ) Four Reasons Why We Cant Lose Our Salvation by Jeromejnr(m): 5:30pm On Aug 01, 2015 |
jiggaz: Don't deceive yourself and others. Jesus said many will say on that day Lord, Lord.... Some of those people casted out demons, and did mighty miracles in His name. Unbelievers can't work miracles in Jesus name. Paul also said "the righteous" are scarcely saved. Who are the righteous? Definitely not the unbelievers. Paul also said he "keeps his body under subjection lest after he has preached he himself will be a cast away" God also said " there will be a great apostasy in the end-times, cause many will depart from the faith". Jesus told a particular church in revelations that "they had left Him His first love," and that they should repent or He will to remove their lampstick from it's place. He also said in Revelations of the Lukewarm christians , that He will spew them out of His mouth. There are many more. Study the scriptures and stop being ignorant. Grace is not a license to sin. It's an empowerment to live the godly life. That's why God expects more from us in this new covenant. In the old lustfully looking at a woman wasn't adultery but it is in the new. In the old hatred wasn't murder but it is in the new. Demas was saved, but Paul talked about him that he had gone back to the world. God said "He will never leave us nor forsake us" but that does not mean we can't forsake Him. If after looking at this scriptures you believe you can't lose salvation, then I must say repent or else you will be enforcing doctrines of demons. 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: ( MUST READ) Four Reasons Why We Cant Lose Our Salvation by Jeromejnr(m): 5:44pm On Aug 01, 2015 |
An2elect2: As for you madam. When Paul said people shouldn't keep the old laws to try and earn righteousnes because it was done away with. He didn't say they shouldn't walk out their salvation. He said "work out your salvation with fear and trembling" that is keeping up with the Spiritual laws God said in Joel He will write in our hearts. The law of Love for God and people. It doesn't mean you have to be perfect. But.... If you Refuse to practice that, then sorry o. |
| Re: ( MUST READ) Four Reasons Why We Cant Lose Our Salvation by jiggaz(m): 6:48pm On Aug 01, 2015 |
Jeromejnr:I would have ignored you like the others but lemme put u straight..... Most of the Bible Scriptures u quote are under different circumstances. U need to understand that most times the Bible have figurative meaning other than the literal meaning. Do you know dat not all church goers are born again christians? There are people dat go to church but they didn't confess Christ and believe, some people go to church for different reasons. These are the kind of people our Lord Jesus Christ were talking about...... For the records Ananias & Saphira were not Christians, they are church goers..... When someone confesses Christ & believed in Him for Salvation he can never lose that Salvation unless that same person denounces Christ which is rare. Your Salvation is your faith in Christ and u didn't do any work to get it , so all glory goes to God. But when u start saying u have to work to maintain dat Salvation, you are now the one teaching another Gospel and you mocking God that Jesus death wasn't enough. “Working out your salvation” is something totally different from working for your salvation. You might ask, “What’s the difference between working out your salvation and working for your salvation? A lot. Working Out your Salvation is good for every believer.Working for your Salvation is a heresy–a teaching not according to the genuine Christian faith. So let’s consider the difference… Working out your salvation versus working for your salvation We can never work in order to receive Salvation; that’s an offense to God’s grace. God’s Word reveals that we can do nothing to earn His salvation by any good works that we have done. Christ has done it all. On the cross, He said, “It is finished!” No one can add to Christ’s redemptive work for us. He paid the price for our salvation with His precious blood. All we can do now is receive it by faith. In Romans 3:22 and 24 , Paul said, Even the righteousness of God through the faith of Jesus Christ to all those who believe, for there is no distinction…Being justified freely by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus. Meanwhile, working out your Salvation is all about Christian living & holiness which is very good. But that doesn't determine the security of ur Salvation cos the first time u received your Salvation, the Holy Spirit have sealed you until Rapture. |
| Re: ( MUST READ) Four Reasons Why We Cant Lose Our Salvation by vooks: 6:55pm On Aug 01, 2015 |
Many believers who live like Satan because they imagine God is helpless against them seeing He saved them will be horrified to end up in hell 1 Like |
| Re: ( MUST READ) Four Reasons Why We Cant Lose Our Salvation by jiggaz(m): 7:31pm On Aug 01, 2015 |
vooks:It will never work for you, listen to what God said concerning Believers in John 10:28-29.... “And I give to them eternal life, and they shall by no means perish forever, and no one shall snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all, and no one can snatch them out of My Father’s hand.” NOTHING, I MEAN NOTHING IS GOING TO SNATCH US FROM THE HANDS OF THE FATHER & THE SON!!!! WE ARE ETERNALLY SAVED!!!! HALLELUJAH!!!! So you see, man can never understand the ways of God cos He doesn't think like Men. Mind you, i don't encourage believers to live in Sin. I encourage them to live holy & acceptable lives, but what i was trying to let people know is that ONCE YOU ACCEPT CHRIST as your Lord and Personal Saviour, your eternal security is SEALED!!!!! This Gospel of Grace will be hard for you to understand but later on you will come to realise the Love of God for mankind. This was the same Gospel Paul was preaching and they came against him. |
| Re: ( MUST READ) Four Reasons Why We Cant Lose Our Salvation by Nobody: 7:34pm On Aug 01, 2015 |
Jeromejnr:1 timothy 4 vs 4 - The Spirit speaks expressly that in the latter times many shall depart from the faith and deviate away from the truth and shall have their conscience seared with hot iron. Peter tells us that They shall even forsake and deny the Lord that brought them and shall bring upon themselves swift destruction. There is in one of the o.p's post that he made mentioned that whatever i might say, he will never agree. Why because his conscience has been hardened by the devil. Many have really fallen away from the truth. All they need is to be included in our daily prayers |
| Re: ( MUST READ) Four Reasons Why We Cant Lose Our Salvation by jiggaz(m): 7:40pm On Aug 01, 2015 |
ProphetUdeme: My brother i am of the Lord oo abeg.... i was once like you before, living in condemnation & guilt. But thank God for showing me the TRUTH. You people are quick to believe fake doctrines, eg one Sister Linda from Sierra Leone.... lol. The Lord has given us “eternal life.” Eternal life is not a boarding pass that can be lost or stolen. It is God’s divine life that is eternally ours based on our divine birth. Christians talk about being “born again,” but, according to the Bible, what does that really mean? John 1:12-13 say, “But as many as received Him, to them He gave the authority to become children of God, to those who believe into His name, who were begotten [or born]…of God.” So those who receive Christ by believing into His name are born of God with the life of God to become children of God. Since, as believers in Christ, we’re born of God, we can’t be “un- born.” To illustrate, no matter how much a child offends their parents, the parents still can’t take back the life they’ve imparted into that child. It’s the same with God. 1 Like |
| Re: ( MUST READ) Four Reasons Why We Cant Lose Our Salvation by just4now(m): 7:44pm On Aug 01, 2015 |
You have good bible quotations to back your point on eternal security. Nevertheless, You stand in a position of a teacher and shall be judged likewise, because many underdeveloped Christians will live by your assertions and this could be detrimental to their salvation. You are not teaching the total counsel of God. Truly, genuine born again Christians can not loose their salvation but those who refuses to gain required knowledge, careless of their way of life and disobey the voice of the Holy Spirit will certainly experience hell before entering Heaven on the day of judgment. You may not believe me but a careful study of the scripture will amaze you on this truth. To assist you, please prayerfully study lsaiah 3:16-26; 4:1-6", "Zephaniah 3:7-12", "1Cor 3:10-(15)17", "Rev 2:14-16", "Rev 20:11-15", "Rev 22:14". l have other references in the bible to prove that you must be careful what you teach others. Please do research on the Nicholatian doctrine which is the same as you taught that the Lord hates. The Lord desires you wash your garment while on earth and make it white in the blood of the Lamb of God. You see, you can't loose your salvation, you are eternally saved but be ready to be purged by fire of hell if you do not follow the leading of the Holy Spirit and holy living. Allow the Lord to purge you while you are here on earth and live a humble and sober life. Apostle Paul talks about your work being burn but you will be saved, only as one passing through fire of hell. Have you ever wondered why hell must give up those in it for judgment day if they were already condemned and why is the judgment base on the only law of Christ. Don't live a carnal Christian life but a spiritual one. You have a choice to hold to your doctrine but you have just been told the truth. I counsel that many should refrain from being teachers because they shall be judged severely. God bless. 1 Like |
| Re: ( MUST READ) Four Reasons Why We Cant Lose Our Salvation by Jeromejnr(m): 8:03pm On Aug 01, 2015 |
ProphetUdeme: This is why Christians have to spend their own personal time in study of the word, depending on the Spirit. So they don't get carried away by any wind of strange doctrines. It's sad, I have seen so many Christians say things that are not scriptural. |
| Re: ( MUST READ) Four Reasons Why We Cant Lose Our Salvation by jiggaz(m): 8:07pm On Aug 01, 2015 |
just4now:My brother you seem not to understand me at all..... i am not encouraging Christians to live in sin, no, not at all!!!! All i am saying is dat our Salvation is by God's Grace and not by our works. But its still necessary for Believers to live right and Holy to experience God's blessings and inheritance here on earth. I am not encouraging anyone to live in sin, all am saying is dat since the Holy Spirit seals us when we receive Christ, it will unlikely dat the person will lose His Salvation. Maybe you guys didn't understand me before... |
| Re: ( MUST READ) Four Reasons Why We Cant Lose Our Salvation by Jeromejnr(m): 8:13pm On Aug 01, 2015 |
jiggaz: Okay, so what's ur opinion on when someone having received salvation, still goes on sinning? |
| Re: ( MUST READ) Four Reasons Why We Cant Lose Our Salvation by truthman2012(m): 9:39pm On Aug 01, 2015 |
Perfection is the standard of God. But you are to be perfect, even as your Father in heaven is perfect (Mat. 5:48). 1 Like |
| Re: ( MUST READ) Four Reasons Why We Cant Lose Our Salvation by An2elect2(f): 10:10pm On Aug 01, 2015 |
Jeromejnr: I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. Galatians 2:20 1 Like |
| Re: ( MUST READ) Four Reasons Why We Cant Lose Our Salvation by An2elect2(f): 10:21pm On Aug 01, 2015 |
just4now: Some of God's children will pass through hell before being received up? sorry have you seen this before? Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. John 5:24 1 Like |
| Re: ( MUST READ) Four Reasons Why We Cant Lose Our Salvation by 5solas(m): 10:23pm On Aug 01, 2015 |
vooks:Believers who live like Satan! They don't exist! |
| Re: ( MUST READ) Four Reasons Why We Cant Lose Our Salvation by just4now(m): 10:23pm On Aug 01, 2015 |
l understood you absolutely and completely, this was why in my comment l supported your fundamental truth of salvation is by grace and can't be lost. l agreed with you in principle though not in totality. All l'm saying is you must teach the totality of the counsel of God, that Christians can not loose their salvation yet they are still in danger of hell if they live contrary to Divine standard. We are completely saved from second death which is the lake of fire..Rev 20:15 but not from going to hell..Rev 20:13. Therefore we are still required to be obedient to the Holy Spirit and live holy life to escape hell. Hell is not eternal but only Heaven, this is what it means when the bible implies that we are eternally saved for Heaven, if we do not renounce Christ as our Lord and Savior till death..Heb 6:4-7. Teaching this will make them balance Christians because believers will read your post and form their opinions base on your presentation, please l don't want us to be guilty of anyone's blood. I'm not against you or your teaching but you need to teach whole Christian doctrine to avoid producing unturned believers. I pray God will give you wisdom to present your messages in love while instilling complete truth and fear of God in the readers. Shalom. |
| Re: ( MUST READ) Four Reasons Why We Cant Lose Our Salvation by An2elect2(f): 10:35pm On Aug 01, 2015 |
I think there is a mighty difference between 'easy believism' and genuine faith in God, the former is heresy. And every child of God should abhor it. Most advocates of eternal insecurity have most of their convictions not from the bible but from the carnal lifestyle of those who only profess Christ without the evidence of a new birth. |
| Re: ( MUST READ) Four Reasons Why We Cant Lose Our Salvation by just4now(m): 11:22pm On Aug 01, 2015 |
[quote author=An2elect2 post=36511742] Some of God's children will pass through hell before being received up? sorry have you seen this before? Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. John 5:24 -------------------------------------------------------------------- As a believer you have eternal life when you get born of the Spirit and you cannot be condemned. If you notice my choice of words l did not say you're condemned born again Christians but cannot escape hell if you always grieves the Holy Spirit in blatant disobedient to His leading rather choose to live like Satan. Hell is a place of temporal torment while lake of fire is a place of condemnation and total annihilation...The end of the wrath of God. Hell itself will be judged and condemned to lake of fire which is the second death. lf you prayerfully study those bible verses l quoted and inquire from the Holy Spirit you will be amazed that truth is intentionally avoided on the church pulpits. You are to seek these truth yourself don't wait to be taught everything by your pastor. You will never be told except for some few ones..Hosea 4:6. If you don't believe me at least believe the bible, read those verses with an open mind. It's about your soul, it's your life and your choice. God bless. |
| Re: ( MUST READ) Four Reasons Why We Cant Lose Our Salvation by vooks: 7:55pm On Aug 02, 2015 |
5solas:You are right; they fall from Grace and perish. One can't fall from something they never had 1 Like |
| Re: ( MUST READ) Four Reasons Why We Cant Lose Our Salvation by vooks: 7:59pm On Aug 02, 2015 |
jiggaz: Listen buddy. NOTHING external can pluck them from His side but they can walk away from all that. God can't keep you on His side against your will The prodigal son, only he could opt out. His wealth and position was guaranteed. Had he perished out there,he'd have died like a commoner. |
| Re: ( MUST READ) Four Reasons Why We Cant Lose Our Salvation by 5solas(m): 11:05pm On Aug 02, 2015 |
vooks: Gal. 3:11 Gal.5 4 Marry the two verses, the answer will pop out. |
| Re: ( MUST READ) Four Reasons Why We Cant Lose Our Salvation by dan2ene: 12:52am On Aug 03, 2015 |
jiggaz: Reading through your posts and those who share same position with you, I see that: 1. You are aware of eternal destinations (heaven or hell) and that salvation is required for to make heaven. 2. You believe that salvation is by grace and not by works. These are fundamental truths of the new testament. However, your understanding of grace as reflected in your posts seem faulty. You need to understand that, while you are not required to "work" to obtain salvation (other than bringing fruit meet for repentance, believe and accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and personal Savior), there is a work IN grace which you need to keep your salvation. Titus 2:11-12 tells us what grace is, what it brings, what it TEACHES US TO DO...note the capitalized. Grace teaches us to deny ungodliness and worldly lust and teaches us to live soberly, righteously and godly in this present world...that is the work IN grace. That is why Apostle James in his epistle put forward that your faith and work (work in grace) go together. You need to ask yourself why are their temptations? Why did Jesus warn about many being deceived in the end times, why did he say if any who after putting his hand into the plough and looks back is not fit for the kingdom. Why are Christians warned to watch and pray? The doctrine of eternal security sounds like this... "I am born again... I am sealed for eternal glory... irrespective of my actions I remain saved...even if I go back to those things Jesus Christ redeemed me from... I will still be saved...once saved always saved". This is very wrong and heretic as it makes the blood of Jesus of non effect... and nullifies the entire new testament. While you claim to support holy living, you should know this doctrine provides safe haven for sin lovers who run from the light of the gospel of truth because they don't want to give up sin and would not want to hear the consequences of their sinfulness. There is nothing wrong in being conscious of the terror of hell fire as it will continually keep you on guard and grateful for salvation. So much has been said already by few well meaning persons in this thread. I sincerely pray you take this into fruitful consideration. The consequence of being deceived and deceiving others is inconceivable. 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: ( MUST READ) Four Reasons Why We Cant Lose Our Salvation by vooks: 7:11am On Aug 03, 2015 |
5solas: You can do more intelligent rebuttals than parables 1 Timothy 4:1 (KJV) Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils Walk me through your u dear standing of DEPART FROM FAITH, and its consequences which were dire enough to have the Spirit EXPRESSLY speaking about them 1 Like 1 Share |
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