Demmzy15:


Are you sure or you just don't know?!



Yes according to the "Apocryphal" works.



I explained in my first post here what Jews consider adults. Read Mr. Man!

malvisguy212:
you have no shame ? Apocryphal works ?so your argument "Mary married at the age of 12 was because Apocryphal works indicate it ? Am sorry,your argument is weak.

malvisguy212:
you have no shame ? Apocryphal works ?so your argument "Mary married at the age of 12 was because Apocryphal works indicate it ? Am sorry,your argument is weak.

Why is my argument weak?! Lemme first of all start with you!

abduljabbar4:

Joseph who was 90 years old married a 12 year old mary and im yet to hear any of you hypocrites criticising

truthman2012:


These jihadists are a very terrible set of people. They are worse than herbalists.

They believe so much in telling lies like their god, al-liar (allahh). They tell lies without any shame. The irony of it is that they are the ones who would first call you a liar, without being able to point out the lies.

When you cite their quran, they shout 'out of context' whereas the quran itself has no 'context'. They will then quote the saying of any islamic clergy who just formulated the context without any islamic documents.

There is one of them, fake truthman2013 also known as Rilwayne01, he is so clever in lying using any quranic verse to mean what he wants. Can you imagine him interpreting Christians mentioned by quran to mean muslims? It is a very serious case. And to him and his cohorts he has given good refutal. Self deceivers or should I say ''deceived to deceive''. In his attempt to deceive nairalanders, he changed his moniker to look like mine to confuse readers. Satanic wisdom.

Now, because there is no lie to tell and they can not hide under ''context'' they all ran away from the attack by the truth in a thread ''Muhammad Vs Other Prophets''. That thread that exposes the lies of alliar (allahh) will continue to hunt them till they desist from the god that has perfected a religion for them to send them to hell. They will continue seeing the thread on daily basis.

This god (al-liar) told them in no ambigous term that he is sending them to hell but because they have been hypnotised and manipulated, it doesn't matter to them. May God deliver them.

adullam210:

give us vivid examples of Jewish child brides. Note that muhamad was a prophet of alahh; 'best of mankind', not a mere Arab man. Comparing him (best of mankind) with ordinary people shouldn't even be contemplated by any sane Muslims, but as market com be na, una just dey try look for excuses to make d evil prophet look acceptable to people sha!

true2god:
Lol. Mohammed's allahh called him 'best of mankind'. Nothing person nogo hear for this world. If a man (of 54) slept with a girl of 9 in europe, america or even nigeria, such a man will be cooling of in prison for a crime of pedophiliaa, but the 'best of mankind' slept with a 9yr old girl and his mumu followers are frantically searching the bible to justify the evil of mohammed (the muslims' best of mankind).

The 'best of mankind' urged muslims to kill whoever does not accept allahh and mohammed (quran 9:29), urged muslims not to take christians and jews as friends (quran 5:51), and asked muslims to collect jizya from christians and jews and humiliate them (quran 9:29b).

The 'best of mankind' called Jews descendants of 'ape and pig' (in the quran) while he described black people as 'RAISIN HEAD' (in the hadith). The islamic best of mankind is also entitled to 20% of his war booties while the sahabas distribute the rest among themselves (a bloody set of war criminals)

May God punish mohammed, muslims' best of mankind, for all his atrocities againt humanity. Anyone that take an armed robber, a pedophille and a hate-monger as a prophet need get his head examined.

Islam was formed by some set of arab criminals and warriors.

truthman2012:


Muhammad is already being punished. Several people including a korean pastor saw him in hell. If his followers do not repent they will find themselves in his position.

truthman2012:


Muhammad is already being punished. Several people including a korean pastor saw him in hell. If his followers do not repent they will find themselves in his position.

Demmzy15:

Why is my argument weak?! Lemme first of all start with you!

Demmzy15:

A delusional Christian, you so dull you can believe anything

Demmzy15:


It's found in the Catholic Encyclopedia or I should say the "Apocryphal" works.



This can't serve as a point because my family itself is a prove against this. My grandmother had her first cousin when she was 48years old. Now her cousin is 40years. That makes my grandmother 88, we can use this as an example with Mary. Assuming Elizabeth was 48years when Mary was born, in 12years time she'll(Elizabeth) be 60years(an old woman as you claimed).



The average age a Girl starts puberty is 11years old, you're using today's standard to judge an event of over 2000years ago. It's a known fact that the body changes/adapts to the area you stay with time, we've had cases of girls giving birth at ages 9,10 and 11 in this generations. Wikipedia states: "According to Jewish tradition, adulthood is reached at age 13 (the minimal age of the Bar Mitzvah or Bat Mitzvah) for Jewish boys and girls; they are expected to demonstrate preparation for adulthood by learning the Torah and other Jewish practices."



This shows you that indeed she took over her responsibility as woman or probably an adult. She could take care of herself, live alone(if the house wasn't near her parents')



Even as old as you're now, you're still under their authority and care. My bone of contention is at that age as of then, 12year olds got married. It happens!



That's another issue on its own, inc'est and all sort nasty sexual crimes were committed. So I'll advice we keep that away!

NUMBERS 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

malvisguy212:
read my thread, see my argument, I don't provide proof from outside the quran and hadith infacte I don't quote from a weak hadith.

But qouting from the works of Apocryphal is a weak argument.

Why is the "Apocryphal" a weak argument?

Let me give you an example of a strong argument:

[s]Islam not only allow old men to marry little girls, but they are allow to divorce them :[/s]

Surah 65:4
“And those of your WOMEN AS HAVE PASSED THE AGE OF MONTHLY COURSES ,
for them the ‘Iddah (prescribed
period), if you have doubts (about
their periods), IS THREE MONTHS , and
FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NO COURSE(i.e.
THEY ARE STILL IMMARTURE) their ‘Iddah
(prescribed period) is three months
likewise, except in case of death] .
And for those WHO ARE PREGNANT (whether they are divorced or their
husbands are dead), their ‘Iddah
(prescribed period) IS UNTIL THEY DELIVER (THEIR BURDEN), and
whosoever fears Allah and keeps his
duty to Him, He will make his matter
easy for him.” (Hilali-Khan)

The verse is correct, first time you didn't quote a summarized verse or rearranged verse. That's nice

In the first category are the women who
have passed the age of menstruation.
The waiting period for these women is
three months.

In the second category
are “those who have not menstruated
yet.”This group consists of prepubescent
girls who have not yet menstruated. The
iddah prescribed for them is also three
months. It is the divorced wives in this
category that will be the subject of our
discussion.

Lastly are the women who
are pregnant. Their prescribed iddah is
until they have given birth.

As we have noted, the background of
Surah 65:4 deals with the issue of the
waiting period for the ex-wives after their divorce. This Qur’anic verse lays down rules for divorce and sets the prescribed waiting period after a divorce takes efect. It tells that the waiting period for divorced girls who has not even started their menstrual is three months. As stated earlier, the purpose for this waiting period is to determine if the divorced wife is pregnant or not. If she is found to be pregnant, her iddah lasts until the birth of the child.

Can you comprehend the full implication of this single evil verse in the Qur’an?

NUMBERS 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

I hope you can comprehend this violent extremism of Christian jihadists, Look at what biblical jesus is commanding here.

Surah 65:4 is clearly saying that Muslim
men can marry (and divorce) little girls
who have not yet reached the age of
menstruation. This means that according to Islamic theology, Muslim men are not only allowed to marry young children but are also allowed to have sex with them.

Since the purpose of the waiting period is to determine pregnancy, this means that Muslim husbands are permitted to
engage in sexual intercourse with their
prepubescent child wives.

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62,
Number 63:
Narrated Sahl bin Sad: “The Prophet
said, “Go, I have agreed to marry her
to you with what you know of the
Qur’an (as her Mahr).” “And for those
who have no courses (i.e. they are
still immature). (65.4) And the
‘Iddat for the girl before puberty is
three months (in the above Verse).”

Giving away children who are far too
young for marriage became permissible
in Islam by reason of the law of Allah in
Surah 65:4.

truthman2012:


[s]Are you surprised?

Didn't al-liar (allahh) tell you that all muslims will be inside hell before some will be removed if they do good?

[Quran 3:185 Pickthal] Every soul will taste of death. And ye will be paid on the Day of Resurrection only that which ye have fairly earned. WHOSO IS REMOVED FROM THE FIRE and is made to enter paradise, he indeed is triumphant. The life of this world is but comfort of illusion.[/s]

trapQ:
Hello?? The bible is our standard in chriatanity. Even if angel Gabriel writes a book claiming its from GOD we would reject it because the bible is the only book we reference. Every other one is counterfeit. No apostle, disciple or prophet married an underaged girl in the bible.

Bye

Demmzy15:

Hi, rants as usual nothing sensible. Go and tell this nonsense to the early church theologians that wrote them. Shebi if Gabriel writes, you no go accept ba? Toh continue o!

abduljabbar4:
And the meaning of christianity is hypocrisy. Yesterday when an imam rraped a woman everyone was blaming Islam but today a pastor rraped a 13 year old girl and nobody blamed christianity.

Peace

malvisguy212:
Demmzy15.

http://quotingislam..co.ke/2011/06/islamic-scholars-explanations-of-quran.html?m=1

Well known scholar, Sayyid Abul Ala
Maududi states in his Commentary on
Surah 65:4 in Tafhim al Qur’an, Volume
5, p. 620, note 13, regarding sex with
prepubescent children:

[s]“Here, one should bear in mind the
fact that according to the
explanations given in the Quran the
question of the waiting period arises
in respect of the women with whom
marriage may have been
consummated, for there is no
waiting-period in case divorce is
pronounced before the
consummation of marriage. (Al-
Ahzab: 49). Therefore, making
mention of the waiting-period for
girls who have not yet
menstruated, clearly proves that it
is not only permissible to give
away the girl at this age but it is
PERMISSIBLE FOR THE HUSBAND TO
CONSUMMATE THE MARRIAGE WITH HER.

Now, obviously no Muslim has the
right to forbid a thing which the
Qur’an has held as permissible.”
Maududi affirms that it is not only
permitted by the Qur’an to marry
prepubescent girls but also to
consummate the marriage with them. He also adds that no Muslims has the right to question or forbid what Allah has permitted in the Qur’an.[/s]

Tafsir Ibn Kathir on Surah 65:4:
“The `Iddah of Those in Menopause
and Those Who do not have Menses
Allah the Exalted clarifies the waiting
period of the woman in menopause.
And that is the one whose
menstruation has stopped due to her
older age. Her `Iddah is three
months instead of the three monthly
cycles for those who menstruate,
which is based upon the Ayah in
(Surat) Al-Baqarah. [see 2:228] The
same for the young, who have not
reached the years of menstruation.
Their `Iddah is three months like
those in menopause. This is the
meaning of His saying.”

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62,
Number 64:
Narrated By ‘Aisha : That the Prophet
married her when she was six years
old and he CONSUMMATED HIS MARRIAGE WHEN SHE WAS NINE YEARS
OLD, and then she remained with him
for nine years (i.e., till his death).

Hadith Sunan Abu Dawud, Volume 2,
Number 2116:
“Aisha said, ‘The Apostle of Allah
married me when I was seven years
old.’ (The narrator Sulaiman said: “Or
six years.”). “He had INTERCOURSE
WITH ME WHEN I WAS 9 YEARS OLD .”

We have seen that the Islamic laws of
Allah allow husbands to engage in
intercourse with their prepubescent
wives. We have also discovered from the Hadiths that Aisha was nine-years-old when Muhammad had sexual
intercourse with her.

Now we will look at
the evidences that prove that Aisha was
prepubescent when Muhammad first
had sexual intercourse with her.

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 73,
Number 151:
Narrated ‘Aisha: I used to play with
the dolls in the presence of the
Prophet, and my girl friends also
used to play with me. When Allah’s
Apostle used to enter (my dwelling
place) they used to hide themselves,
but the Prophet would call them to
join and play with me. ( The playing
with the dolls and similar images is
forbidden, but it was allowed for
‘Aisha at that time, as she was a
little girl, not yet reached the age
of puberty .) (Fateh-al-Bari page 143,
Vol.13)

Clearly written.

Your deception is exposed @emboldened there is no parenthesis there, those are your words or the dumbass that wrote it. The Arabic text of Fathi Al Bari stopped at "me", but you hypocrites then spew your venoms.

This hadith shows that Aisha indeed was matured and was going through menstruation before her marriage:

Narrated Aisha:

The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.

So as we can see, Aisha got ill and her body was going through some changes, indicating that she was going through her puberty. In fact during puberty a girl will want to be away from her family, meaning her mother and father:

Want to be away from your family: "During puberty, you may want to spend most of your time with friends instead of family members. You may feel embarrassed by your family or parents. You may feel like your parents have no idea what you are going through during puberty. It is normal for you to want to be with and dress like your friends most of the time. Just remember that sometime your family may be a better support for you than your friends." (http://www.healthtouch.com/bin/EContent_HT/cnoteShowLfts.asp?fname=07103&title=PUBERTY+IN+GIRLS+&cid=HTHLTH) **Credits To Osama Abdallah**

[size=18pt]So malvisguy212 why did Mary of age 12 marry Joseph of age 90?! Why did 14year old Mary have sex with 92year old Joseph?! [/size]

parisbookaddict:


The Pastor, disobedient to Christ's teachings , is a criminal, paedophile and deserves to be in jail..

Why did 90year old Joseph marry 12year old Mary?!

Pedophilia is loved by your god:

NUMBERS 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
Look at how his jihadists got free virgins children, many church fathers get their inspiration from this. So sad

The imam is a good muslim following the deeds of his prophet mohammed. In fact a younger child would have been recommended by mohammed

Bukhari, volume 5, #234

"Narrated Aisha: The prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six. We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Harith Kharzraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became all right, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's messenger came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age."

parisbookaddict:


The Pastor, disobedient to Christ's teachings , is a criminal, paedophile and deserves to be in jail..

The imam is a good muslim following the deeds of his prophet mohammed. In fact a younger child would have been recommended by mohammed

Bukhari, volume 5, #234

"Narrated Aisha: The prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six. We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Harith Kharzraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became all right, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's messenger came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age."

Jagoon:

PURE DESCRIPTION OF ISLAM:
I.S.L.A.M. = I Serve Lucifer And Mohammad
I.S.L.A.M = I Steal(copy of Bible Only Twisted), Lie And Murder
I.S.L.A.M = International Society of Liars and Murderers
PS. You can marry 1 year old babies in islam.

Demmzy15:

This the problem with you Christians, your sense is very tiny. You can't think straight, none of you have refuted what I wrote. Instead of you to do that, you've been raining curses. Nawa o, go back to my replies I gave Scholar820, I showed what Jews call an "adult". I advise you not to quote me if you don't have manners because if I start with you, you go hate me.

Rilwayne001:


Sanchez01, What do you have to say on the attitude of this brother of yours?

adullam210:

i don't believe a sane human being can defend an adult marrying a kid of nine in any way!

Sanchez01:

I see no reason why a right thinking Believer would resort to bashing other people's religion. If every so-called Christian on this thread see or perceive themselves to be greater than others (religious-wise) are nothing but religious bigots who do not know Christ.

Religious tolerance is one of the greatest un-advertized attributes of Christ and any so-called Christian who cannot respect and tolerate the religion of others does not know Christ and does not have his Spirit.

Attacking others will not make them respect you, your belief and ideologies. It would only make them stand against you the more. This is quite disturbing.

adullam210:

i don't believe a sane human being can defend an adult marrying a kid of nine in any way!

Demmzy15:

Don't run away from my questions, why did 90years old Joseph marry 12year old Mary? If you aren't satisfied with my above post, feel free to refute it.

Rilwayne001:

More: http://discover-the-truth.com/2013/09/30/marriage-of-mary-to-joseph-the-carpenter/

Ahhh! Bros thanks o , this one na final shot. Head shot kawaii!

Demmzy15:

Ahhh! Bros thanks o , this one na final shot. Head shot kawaii!

It all started from here http://discover-the-truth.com/2013/09/14/bible-child-marriage-in-ancient-israelite-times-paedophilia/

Happy reading.

Rilwayne001:


It all started from here http://discover-the-truth.com/2013/09/14/bible-child-marriage-in-ancient-israelite-times-paedophilia/

Happy reading.

**faints** thus one na death fa? Truthman2012 footsoldiers go crumble!

Sanchez01:

I see no reason why a right thinking Believer would resort to bashing other people's religion. If every so-called Christian on this thread see or perceive themselves to be greater than others (religious-wise) are nothing but religious bigots who do not know Christ.

Religious tolerance is one of the greatest un-advertized attributes of Christ and any so-called Christian who cannot respect and tolerate the religion of others does not know Christ and does not have his Spirit.

Attacking others will not make them respect you, your belief and ideologies. It would only make them stand against you the more. This is quite disturbing.