I SALUTE NA FOR EMBRACING modern gears for her SF operatives, We hope regular troops will get this CHANGE




henry120 AN GAISHI KA

EVarn:
The Nigerian military industrial complex is still at the beginner level; surely if we begin to offer our military hardwares to the international market at outrageous prices,few countries will buy from us.
Taking a cue from China,we are exporting our products to low income countries at reasonable price tags and building our customer base.
soon,they will come for our drones and ships.
You must have noticed that many rich countries arent currently fighting any war.

Don't worry mate I wasn't serious, If I was I would've posted my replies on this thread! We are all just having fun on that Topic! If you read my comments on this topic you would see I actually commend what you guys are doing there with your defence industry.

And yes I agree 100% there is definitely a market for affordable APC and such in Western and Central Africa.

And personally I think (even though we don't always admit it) we all want African countries to shine on the international stage, with what ever that may be.

The LMG with the bipod looks like the HK21 variant.

This LMG has been in the NA armoury for awhile now.

The BH experience has revived old lessons in firepower that the "peace-time" NA was trained to forget by democracy "protectors".

ukemeramat:
NA COIN OPS #GALLANT

asorockweb:
The LMG with the bipod looks like the HK21 variant.

This LMG has been in the NA armoury for awhile now.

The BH experience has revived old lessons in firepower that the "peace-time" NA was trained to forget by democracy "protectors".

Its an HK23E

Based on the G3 i beleive

An indigenous arms industry in Nigeria?


President Muhammadu Buhari’s call to Nigeria’s Defence Ministry to outline a plan for the development of an arms industry for the country is thought-provoking. Many people have taken sides on the subject but there is more than meets the eye to the quest for an indigenous arms industry for Nigeria.

Conceptually, it is a good idea. Nigeria should have long come of age for the internal satisfaction of her arms needs, at least at a basic level. The arms industry ranges at different levels. A country may be capable of producing small arms such as pistols and revolvers and long guns like rifles, but depends on exports for heavy weapons, tanks and armoured personnel carriers. One need not be a defence expert to realize that, by its very nature, the arms industry is a highly sensitive one. Major arms-producing countries tie in their national interests to their exports. During the Cold War, the former Soviet Union and the Warsaw group of Communist countries used their arms industries to promote the expansion of Communism by selling to entities that toed their line. For example, so-called revolutionary movements fighting, even if by proxy, governments backed by capitalist Western states got their support.

Nigeria’s recent unwholesome experiences in her bid to weaponize her military to fight Boko Haram and other insurgents are well known. It did not suit American/Western interests to arm her armed forces. There are indications that they probably scuttled the efforts of the Jonathan government to acquire weapons elsewhere.

Is Nigeria ready for an indigenous weapons industry? An arms industry is a very different ballgame from almost every other type of industry. Nigeria may have the experts but many interests, both local and foreign, may collude against them. History may help out here. As the first indigenous Quartermaster-General of the Nigerian Army, Lieutenant-Colonel Emeka Odumegwu-Ojukwu realized that the army was depending on low-quality British military products. He played a very active role in reversing the policy and the subsequent engagement of the German arms producer, Fritz Werner, to set up an ordnance factory in Kaduna. That factory was the foundation of the Defence Industries Corporation of Nigeria. The British never forgave Ojukwu for the effrontery to attempt to remove Nigeria from her sphere of influence and he paid for it during the civil war. So if Nigeria must have her arms industry, President Buhari and his planners should take a long-term view of these considerations:

The Western, and even Chinese and Russian, military-industrial complex will be uncomfortable with such an industry. Apart from the billions they stand to lose, a Nigerian arms industry, if well run, will limit their domination in the country’s internal affairs and strengthen her diplomatic muscle.

Then issues of corruption, ethnic interests and terrorism should be factored in. From an economic perspective, is the project viable? It is doubtful if Nigeria will be producing solely for internal consumption. USA has the world’s most powerful armed forces but the millions of bombs, bullets and planes her industries roll out are not just for their internal needs. Were it so, the country’s military-industrial complex would have folded up long ago. Strategic thinking is called for. Boko Haram will end one day. If Nigeria’s arms industry comes on stream, will it compete favourably on the world market? Hopefully, Nigeria is not anticipating another war and although security challenges will inevitably crop up, what will the proposed industry be aimed at? One has to be brutally frank here: generally speaking, most arms producers anticipate that the bullets they produce will be, save in exceptional circumstances, shot in the bodies of foreigners, not their citizens.

During the Nigerian civil war, Biafra went indigenous to meet her arms needs. She took on the Nigerian armada which was outfitted by foreign arms producers. Can Mr. President and his defence planners tap into the technical savvy behind innovations such as the home-made Biafran explosives, e.g., ogbunigwe? I admit, times have changed and dynamics must be upgraded. But the civil war era blueprint and surviving actors can be consulted for guidance.

The biggest threat to an indigenous Nigerian arms industry will come from Nigerians. It is unpatriotic Nigerians who will sell top-secret weaponization plans to foreign interests; it is unpatriotic Nigerians who will access these arms to insurgents; it is unpatriotic Nigerians who will downgrade the quality of weapon production programmes; it is unpatriotic Nigerians who will introduce sentiments that have nothing to do with national interest to this project.

patches689:


Its an HK23E

Based on the G3 i beleive

It is an HK 21
http://world.guns.ru/machine/de/hk-21-and-23-e.html

South-African Navy OPVs

bidexiii:
An indigenous arms industry in Nigeria?


President Muhammadu Buhari’s call to Nigeria’s Defence Ministry to outline a plan for the development of an arms industry for the country is thought-provoking. Many people have taken sides on the subject but there is more than meets the eye to the quest for an indigenous arms industry for Nigeria.

Conceptually, it is a good idea. Nigeria should have long come of age for the internal satisfaction of her arms needs, at least at a basic level. The arms industry ranges at different levels. A country may be capable of producing small arms such as pistols and revolvers and long guns like rifles, but depends on exports for heavy weapons, tanks and armoured personnel carriers. One need not be a defence expert to realize that, by its very nature, the arms industry is a highly sensitive one. Major arms-producing countries tie in their national interests to their exports. During the Cold War, the former Soviet Union and the Warsaw group of Communist countries used their arms industries to promote the expansion of Communism by selling to entities that toed their line. For example, so-called revolutionary movements fighting, even if by proxy, governments backed by capitalist Western states got their support.

Nigeria’s recent unwholesome experiences in her bid to weaponize her military to fight Boko Haram and other insurgents are well known. It did not suit American/Western interests to arm her armed forces. There are indications that they probably scuttled the efforts of the Jonathan government to acquire weapons elsewhere.

Is Nigeria ready for an indigenous weapons industry? An arms industry is a very different ballgame from almost every other type of industry. Nigeria may have the experts but many interests, both local and foreign, may collude against them. History may help out here. As the first indigenous Quartermaster-General of the Nigerian Army, Lieutenant-Colonel Emeka Odumegwu-Ojukwu realized that the army was depending on low-quality British military products. He played a very active role in reversing the policy and the subsequent engagement of the German arms producer, Fritz Werner, to set up an ordnance factory in Kaduna. That factory was the foundation of the Defence Industries Corporation of Nigeria. The British never forgave Ojukwu for the effrontery to attempt to remove Nigeria from her sphere of influence and he paid for it during the civil war. So if Nigeria must have her arms industry, President Buhari and his planners should take a long-term view of these considerations:

The Western, and even Chinese and Russian, military-industrial complex will be uncomfortable with such an industry. Apart from the billions they stand to lose, a Nigerian arms industry, if well run, will limit their domination in the country’s internal affairs and strengthen her diplomatic muscle.

Then issues of corruption, ethnic interests and terrorism should be factored in. From an economic perspective, is the project viable? It is doubtful if Nigeria will be producing solely for internal consumption. USA has the world’s most powerful armed forces but the millions of bombs, bullets and planes her industries roll out are not just for their internal needs. Were it so, the country’s military-industrial complex would have folded up long ago. Strategic thinking is called for. Boko Haram will end one day. If Nigeria’s arms industry comes on stream, will it compete favourably on the world market? Hopefully, Nigeria is not anticipating another war and although security challenges will inevitably crop up, what will the proposed industry be aimed at? One has to be brutally frank here: generally speaking, most arms producers anticipate that the bullets they produce will be, save in exceptional circumstances, shot in the bodies of foreigners, not their citizens.
During the Nigerian civil war, Biafra went indigenous to meet her arms needs. She took on the Nigerian armada which was outfitted by foreign arms producers. Can Mr. President and his defence planners tap into the technical savvy behind innovations such as the home-made Biafran explosives, e.g., ogbunigwe? I admit, times have changed and dynamics must be upgraded. But the civil war era blueprint and surviving actors can be consulted for guidance.

The biggest threat to an indigenous Nigerian arms industry will come from Nigerians. It is unpatriotic Nigerians who will sell top-secret weaponization plans to foreign interests; it is unpatriotic Nigerians who will access these arms to insurgents; it is unpatriotic Nigerians who will downgrade the quality of weapon production programmes; it is unpatriotic Nigerians who will introduce sentiments that have nothing to do with national interest to this project.

A very bitter truth

horlams:


It is an HK 21
http://world.guns.ru/machine/de/hk-21-and-23-e.html

If its new its a 23

jln115:

Don't worry mate I wasn't serious, If I was I would've posted my replies on this thread! We are all just having fun on that Topic! If you read my comments on this topic you would see I actually commend what you guys are doing there with your defence industry.
And yes I agree 100% there is definitely a market for affordable APC and such in Western and Central Africa.
And personally I think (even though we don't always admit it) we all want African countries to shine on the international stage, with what ever that may be.

True,very true.

NNS Andoni bridge

NNS Andoni rear

africaken:
are we going to buy some more Jordanian discarded F-5 relics !

nah, I dont think so, If we do , in these challenging times then we will know that our generals are the dumbest servants in all the servants employed by the government.

26 of 39 Oryx upgraded by Denel Aviation

"Denel Aviation will conclude the avionics upgrade of 39 of the South African Air Force’s Oryx transport helicopters in January 2016 after years of delays.


"Denel said in its report released this week that qualification and certification of the system upgrade has been completed. “To date 26 of the 39 aircraft have been modified and some have been released for operational deployment by the customer."


http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=40291:26-of-39-oryx-upgraded-by-denel-aviation&catid=124:military-helicopters&Itemid=282

Windhoeker Maschinenfabrik developing 6x6 and 8x8 armoured vehicles

"Namibian company Windhoeker Maschinenfabrik (WMF) is busy developing a 6x6 armoured recovery vehicle and an 8x8 armoured vehicle and has put its new Mk III armoured personnel carrier into production.

Magarete van Niekerk, the Sales and Marketing representative for Windhoeker Maschinenfabrik, told defenceWeb that the Mk II vehicle underwent testing last year, including blast tests that involved a 14 kg explosive detonating under the rear of the vehicle, 14 kg under the driver and 21 kg under the body."

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=40292:windhoeker-maschinenfabrik-developing-6x6-and-8x8-armoured-vehicles&catid=50:Land&Itemid=105

Russia will begin the construction of Nigeria’s first nuclear power plant next year, Nigerean Charge d'Affaires to Russia Gafai Ibrahim Usman told Sputnik.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/business/20150814/1025738251.html#ixzz3imPM7Wda

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NAF Bomb disposal robot made in Nigeria...VIDEO


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bnt96hRTes

Fynline:
Russia will begin the construction of Nigeria’s first nuclear power plant next year, Nigerean Charge d'Affaires to Russia Gafai Ibrahim Usman told Sputnik.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/business/20150814/1025738251.html#ixzz3imPM7Wda

Seems like yesterday that i heard that Nigeria was considering nuclear power, whole thing seems to be going very very fast indeed. Hopefully we are ready for it, its a rather large responsibility.

jln115:
Windhoeker Maschinenfabrik developing 6x6 and 8x8 armoured vehicles

"Namibian company Windhoeker Maschinenfabrik (WMF) is busy developing a 6x6 armoured recovery vehicle and an 8x8 armoured vehicle and has put its new Mk III armoured personnel carrier into production.

Magarete van Niekerk, the Sales and Marketing representative for Windhoeker Maschinenfabrik, told defenceWeb that the Mk II vehicle underwent testing last year, including blast tests that involved a 14 kg explosive detonating under the rear of the vehicle, 14 kg under the driver and 21 kg under the body."

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=40292:windhoeker-maschinenfabrik-developing-6x6-and-8x8-armoured-vehicles&catid=50:Land&Itemid=105

I have faith WMF will deliver the results. On the other hand our military should also be prepared to get out the check book.

ViceAdmiral:


I have faith WMF will deliver the results. On the other hand our military should also be prepared to get out the check book.

Those are sum pretty impressive test results! Would be interesting to see how the MK111 blast tests fair. It would also be great if you guys replace your Soviet ERA BTR series vehicles with the MK11 and MK111 6x6!

jln115:

Those are sum pretty impressive test results! Would be interesting to see how the MK111 blast tests fair. It would also be great if you guys replace your Soviet ERA BTR series vehicles with the MK11 and MK111 6x6!

I know wiki says we operate BTR's and i know in 1990 SWAPO 'donated' BTR's to the Government but i doubt if we use them i've been paying 'attention' to our military for a while now and i haven't seen evidence of one in service, I'm still waiting for the day i see a Namibian BTR, T-34 and T-54/55 tanks as listed by wiki ...The defence web article says that a new light armoured vehicle is the cards,cant wait to see the results

ViceAdmiral:


I know wiki says we operate BTR's and i know in 1990 SWAPO 'donated' BTR's to the Government but i doubt if we use them i've been paying 'attention' to our military for a while now and i haven't seen evidence of one in service, I'm still waiting for the day i see a Namibian BTR, T-34 and T-54/55 tanks as listed by wiki ...The defence web article says that a new light armoured vehicle is the cards,cant wait to see the results

They're there kept in storage at Grootfontein along with a few Russian Anti-Tank guns...Wonder when's the last time they've seen the sun though..

gottfried21:

They're there kept in storage at Grootfontein along with a few Russian Anti-Tank guns...Wonder when's the last time they've seen the sun though..

They belong to that military museum in Okahandja that is never getting to open,such old equipment ..So what actually is in storage??BTR's or T-34 and T-55's..been meaning to ask does the army have any armour unit...all i hear about are mechanised infantry units

ViceAdmiral:


They belong to that military museum in Okahandja that is never getting to open,such old equipment

The base in very interesting...they keep all the modern equipment outside...And give the old relics a nice final resting place..see the Mraps outside in the rain?
That museum is only off limits for you civilians
The rest of us can go in and out as we please Just halla I could take you there...but there's not much

Exercise young eagle, South-Africa

Grootfontein military base holds most of the answers to my questions . But i'll proly just get my self arrested by MP's..So many questions to ask and pictures i'ld wanna take ...So for now Ild just stick to info and pictures already in the public domain ..By the way do u have a pic of the maroon airborne beret that paras wear wanna compare it to a pic of the Commando beret the former minister of defence wears..

n a couple of pics to stay on topic
Aboard the NS Elephant

Nigeria COIN

ViceAdmiral:


I know wiki says we operate BTR's and i know in 1990 SWAPO 'donated' BTR's to the Government but i doubt if we use them i've been paying 'attention' to our military for a while now and i haven't seen evidence of one in service, I'm still waiting for the day i see a Namibian BTR, T-34 and T-54/55 tanks as listed by wiki ...The defence web article says that a new light armoured vehicle is the cards,cant wait to see the results

When South Africa gets around to getting a new MBT

Botswana and Namibia should get on board and buy the same thing

Bigger orders mean lower unit costs

It goes towards commonality between countries (easyer joint operations), and it makes industrialization more profitable for all members.

... and if we all have the same gear we are less likely to kill one another.

Same goes for Project Biro (with Namibia) and the planned Oryx replacement (Namibia/Botswana), hell even the Rooivalk.

I was suprised that the Badger didnt get any looky-loo's from our brothers to the north of the Orange and Molopa rivers

To be honest, I dream of the day when Botswana/Namibia/South Africa have militaries and foreign policy's that are so closely intertwined that it is difficult to tell them apart.

gottfried21:

The base in very interesting...they keep all the modern equipment outside...And give the old relics a nice final resting place..see the Mraps outside in the rain?
That museum is only off limits for you civilians
The rest of us can go in and out as we please Just halla I could take you there...but there's not much

Navy and Air Force HQ are the places am dying to visit the most...Wanna scold them into releasing more info into the public domain. We are left at the mercy of the local press that tell us a major is a CO to a Lt Col.

more NS Elephant pics

patches689:


When South Africa gets around to getting a new MBT

Botswana and Namibia should get on board and buy the same thing

Bigger orders mean lower unit costs

It goes towards commonality between countries (easyer joint operations)

I was suprised that the Badger didnt get any looky-loo's from our brothers to the north of the Orange and Molopa rivers

I love the idea personally but i dont see that happening. Our Government has a Chinese fixation...Perhaps the Badger was out of reach[cost wise] ...Our navy is expanding and getting OPV's from ZA is not such a bad thing and i prefer commonality over stand alone and once off ships that will get harder to maintain with age or They could even buy from Brazil that we have to thank the most for training our navy but no after those guys got taught how to sail a ship and run a navy they ran straight to China poor Brazilians ..But we need a common foreign policy first,Good luck getting Botswana on board to agree on foreign policy

ViceAdmiral:


I love the idea personally but i dont see that happening. Our Government has a Chinese fixation...Perhaps the Badger was out of reach[cost wise] ...Our navy is expanding and getting OPV's from ZA is not such a bad thing and i prefer commonality over stand alone and once off ships that will get harder to maintain with age or They could even buy from Brazil that we have to thank the most for training our navy but no after those guys got taught how to sail a ship and run a navy they ran straight to China poor Brazilians

A few Air Force buddies were telling me that the Government has decided to drop the whole Gripen deal in favor of the J-10...And as far as MBTs go we expressed our interest in that new Chinese tank the MBT-3000...Even though I honestly feel like we should be pushing the Germans to sell us Leo's!!!
Anyways...

gottfried21:

A few Air Force buddies were telling me that the Government has decided to drop the whole Gripen deal in favor of the J-10...And as far as MBTs go we expressed our interest in that new Chinese tank the MBT-3000...Even though I honestly feel like we should be pushing the Germans to sell us Leo's!!!
Anyways...

Wait a minute....Government was considering the whatDidn't have a clue...But then remember what happened when Zim,Angola and Namibia went to DRC in the 1990's the west wasn't happy at all [the UK didnt wanna deliver radios and that prompted SATCOM to start making radios, a Nordic ambassador was also expelled], buying equipment from the west is always a gamble i guess.

Pic1:Former President being welcomed aboard the naval base i think [naval traditions ]
Pic2:Sailors from the Grajau class patrol boat Brendan Simbwaye

patches689:
some prize picks from Ex young eagle

Thanx to Frum for sourcing it

First pic: We are witnessing the building of a new SOF unit more robust than the navy's boat squadron.

Equivalent to 44 pathfinder platoon.