There seems to be some confusion about the meaning of Hell and who goes there because of the way the Hebrew word Sheol and the Greek word Hades have been translated in our English Bibles. Since this confusion has led some into an erroneous understanding of what the Bible actually teaches about the intermediate state and the final state of the dead, we think that it is important that we address this subject here.

Sheol is found in the Bible sixty-five times. It is translated “the pit” three times, “the grave” thirty-one times, and “hell” thirty-one times. Hades is used eleven times, being rendered “hell” ten times and “grave” once. Adding to the confusion is that two other words are also translated hell in the New Testament. These are Tartarus, which is found once and Gehenna, which is used twelve times.

The term “Hell” is commonly understood to mean a place of torment where the souls of the wicked go after physical death. This is true. However, because Hades in the New Testament and Sheol in the Old are variously rendered hell or grave, there has been some misunderstanding about what hell and the grave are. Before looking at these words though, we should first give our attention to the Greek word Gehenna, which is always translated hell and used in reference to the Lake of Fire. It is found in Matthew 5:22,29,30; 10:28; 18:9; 23:15,33; Mark 9:43,45,47; Luke 12:5; and James 3:6.

THE FINAL HELL

The Lake of Fire, or Hell, is a literal place of everlasting fire that was originally created by God as a place of punishment for Satan and the angels that followed him in his rebellion against God (Mat. 25:41). Because it is referred to as the place of “outer darkness” (Mat. 8:12; 25:30), we believe that it is most probably located at the farthest reaches of the creation. Gehenna is described in Scripture as a “furnace of fire” (Mat. 13:42); “everlasting punishment” (Mat. 25:46); “the mist [gloom] of darkness” (II Pet. 2:17); the “hurt of the second death” (Rev. 2:11 cf. 20:6,14; 21:; “a lake of fire burning with brimstone” (Rev. 19:20; 20:10; 21:.

While Hell was created for Satan and the other fallen angels, the unsaved of humanity from all ages will be with them in this place of torment where “there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth” (Mat. 13:42). This is the “everlasting reward” of all that die in their sins.

While there is no one in the Lake of Fire at this time, it will one day hold a vast multitude. The first residents of this place of righteous retribution will be the Beast (Antichrist) and the False Prophet who, at the end of the Tribulation, will be “cast alive into a lake burning with brimstone” (Rev. 19:19-20). Joining them will be the unsaved of the nations who survive the Tribulation (Mat. 25:31-32,41-46). Also, at Jesus Christ’s return to earth, the rebel Israelites, i.e. unbelieving Jews, who survive the Tribulation, will be denied entrance into the Millennial Kingdom, no doubt to join their Gentile counterparts in the “place of everlasting fire” (Eze. 20:33-38; Mat. 7:21-23; cf. Mat. 24:29-31,45-51). Then, at the end of the Millennial Kingdom of Jesus Christ, Satan will be “cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night forever and ever” (Rev. 20:10). And finally, the unsaved dead of all ages will be raised and judged at the Great White Throne by Jesus Christ and then cast into the Lake of Fire (see Rev. 20:11-15).

The name Gehenna comes from a deep narrow ravine south of Jerusalem where some Hebrew parents actually sacrificed their children to the Ammonite god, Molech, during the time of the kings (II Kin. 16;3; II Chron. 28:1-3; cf. Lev. 18:21; I Kin. 11:5,7,33). This pagan deity is also referred to as Malcham, Milcom, and Moloch in the Bible. This valley later served as the city dump and, because there was continual burning of refuse there, it became a graphic symbol of the place of punishment for the wicked. It was named the “Valley of Hinnom,” which translated into Greek becomes Gehenna. The passages where the word is found in the New Testament plainly show that it was a commonly used expression for Hell by that time. The word is found twelve times in the Scriptures, being used eleven times by the Lord Jesus and once by James. When we consider the context, it is clear the Lord used this word in reference to the place of everlasting punishment for the wicked dead and not to the city dump.

Gehenna, or the Lake of Fire, might be referred to as the future, or final, Hell because it is where all of the wicked from all ages will finally end up. Satan, the fallen angels, and all of the lost of mankind will reside in torment there forever and ever.

SHEOL/HADES: THE PRESENT HELL

Scripture passages in which Gehenna is used should be distinguished from those using Hades, which refers to a place of temporary torment that we might refer to as the immediate, or present, Hell. What we mean by this is that, at the time of death, the souls of the lost go directly to Hades, where they suffer in torment until the time of the Great White Throne Judgment when they will be resurrected and cast into the Lake of Fire. The souls of all the lost who have already died are presently there and those who die in their sins immediately go there to join them.

Hades is the New Testament equivalent of the Old Testament word Sheol. The Greek and Hebrew words speak of the same place, the present Hell. However, this is problematic because Sheol has been translated “grave” as often as it has “hell” and some have mistakenly taught that Sheol and Hades are only references to the grave rather than Hell. This erroneous teaching leads to the denial of the existence of an immediate or present Hell. The false doctrine of soul-sleep, and other ideas that teach the unconscious state of the dead between death and resurrection, spring from this error.

The common word for “grave” in the Old Testament is queber. Of the sixty-four times it is used, it is translated “grave” thirty-four times, “sepulcher” twenty-six times, and “burying place” four times. Queber is used five additional times as part of a place name, Kibroth-hattaavah, which means “graves of lust.” As we said earlier, Sheol is found sixty-four times, being rendered “grave” thirty-one times, “hell” thirty-one times, and “pit” three times.

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A comparison of how Sheol and queber are used reveals eight points of contrast that tell us that they are not the same thing.

Sheol is never used in plural form. Queber is used in the plural 29 times.
It is never said that the body goes to Sheol. Queber speaks of the body going there 37 times.
Sheol is never said to be located on the face of the earth. Queber is mentioned 32 times as being located on the earth.
An individual’s Sheol is never mentioned. An individual’s queber is mentioned 5 times.
Man is never said to put anyone into Sheol. Individuals are put into a queber by man (33 times).
Man is never said to have dug or fashioned a Sheol. Man is said to have dug, or fashioned, a queber (6 times).
Man is never said to have touched Sheol. Man touches, or can touch, a queber (5 times).
It is never said that man is able to possess a Sheol. Man is spoken of as being able to possess a queber (7 times). (These eight points of comparison are adapted from “Life and Death” by Caleb J. Baker, Bible Institute Colportage Ass’n, 1941).
From the differences between how Sheol and queber are used in Scripture, it is obvious that they are not the same thing. The Greek word Hades in the New Testament would fit into the Sheol column of our chart, strongly indicating that it is the same thing as Sheol. Hades is used eleven times, being rendered Hell ten times and grave once.

Words associated with queber are quabar and qeburah. Quabar is a verb meaning to bury or to be buried and qeburah is a noun meaning a grave or place of burial. The use of these related words helps to reinforce the difference between queber and Sheol, as they clearly have to do with the grave as a burial place, while Sheol does not.

EXAMPLES SHOWING THAT SHEOL IS NOT A BURIAL PLACE

1. After selling Joseph into slavery, his brothers stained his coat with blood and used it to convince their father that he had been killed by a wild animal (Gen. 37:26-36). Jacob’s sons and daughters tried “to comfort him; but he refused to be comforted; and he said, `for I will go down into the grave (Sheol) unto my son mourning’. Thus his father wept for him” (v. 35).

From Jacob’s words it is clear that he fully intended to eventually be reunited with his son in a tangible way. Obviously then, he did not simply have in mind the idea of joining him in burial as he believed that Joseph’s body had not been buried at all, but was eaten by an animal (v. 33). This being the case, it was impossible for Jacob to think he would join Joseph in burial. Obviously, he looked forward to being reunited with him in the place of the departed dead, not in burial. The word rendered grave in this passage is Sheol, the abode of the souls of those who have died.

2. After Jacob died, Joseph had his body mummified, a process that took forty days, then took him back to Canaan for burial (Gen. 50:1-14). When we add to that the thirty days of mourning (Gen. 50:2-4), and the time it took to travel to Canaan for the funeral (Gen. 50:5-13), we see that it was several weeks after Jacob was “gathered unto his people” (Gen. 49:33) before his body was placed in the cave that served as his burial place. Considering that he had been dead for well over two months before his body was buried and that the Scriptures state that at the time he died he was “gathered to his people” (Gen. 49:33) is telling. This shows that at the time of physical death, when “he yielded up the spirit,” his soul immediately departed his body to be with Isaac and Abraham. This cannot be a reference to his body being gathered together with their bodies, as that did not take place for over ten weeks. This is strong proof that Sheol does not mean a burial place for the body, but is the place where the souls of the departed reside.

3. That communication takes place in Sheol/Hades tells us that something other than a burial place is in view. In Isaiah 14:4-20, we find the prophet foretelling the eventual defeat and death of the king of Babylon. The nation that would eventually send Judah into captivity will itself be defeated and its mighty king will find himself among “the chief ones of the earth…the kings of the nations” (Isa. 14:9) who preceded him in death. These are the kings of nations that he had conquered with the sword and ruled over with a cruel hand (Isa. 14:6). These same men will serve as a welcoming committee for this once great “world ruler” when he arrives in Sheol/Hades. In mock surprise, they will ask this once powerful king, “Art thou also become weak as we? Are thou become like unto us?” (Isa. 14:10). They then taunt him by pointing out that the pretentious display of magnificence that he had demonstrated as the king of Babylon now meant nothing (Isa. 14:11).

All of those who find themselves in this section of Sheol/Hades, like the king of Babylon and the kings who greeted him, will be faced with the reality of how helpless and hopeless they are. One of the boasts these kings make against him is that, while their bodies have been placed in their respective tombs, or graves, he was not honored by a respectable burial, “But thou are cast out of the grave (queber) like an abominable (despised) branch…thou shalt not be joined with them in burial” (Isa. 14:18-20). Obviously, if his body was not in any grave at all, he was not simply joining them in burial.

What we see here is this man going into Sheol, while at the same time his body is cast out of its grave. Obviously then, Sheol cannot be the grave here as the body and soul are in different places, the soul going to Sheol while the body remains unburied, or outside of the grave (vs. 20) to be infested by maggots (vs. 11). It is true that this is a prophetic passage; and there are various opinions as to the identity of the person in view here (verses 12-15 are commonly thought to refer to Satan, the power behind the Gentile kings). But, regardless of who this prophecy is about, or whether it has already been fulfilled or not, does not change the fact that Sheol and the grave are to be regarded as different places in this passage of Scripture.

4. In the case of Samuel and Saul, we find another example of the Scriptures making a distinction between Sheol/Hades and the grave. In his conversation with King Saul, Samuel, whom the Lord had sent back from the dead to deliver a message to Saul, said that Saul and his sons would be with him the next day (see I Sam. 28:15-19). As foretold, Saul and his sons did die the next day while in battle with the Philistines (see I Sam. 31:1-6). However, their bodies were not buried the next day, so they did not join Samuel in the grave but their souls went down to Sheol/Hades where the person, or soul, of Samuel was. As it is said that Samuel “came up” it seems obvious that he went back down after speaking with Saul (I Sam. 28:8,11,14). As for the bodies of Saul and his sons, their remains were not buried for several days. As Samuel had said, they died the next day (I Sam. 31:1-6). But it was the day after they died that their bodies were taken by the Philistines and hung on the wall of Beth-Shan (I Sam. 31:7-10). After hearing of this, valiant men from Jabesh-Gilead went by night and removed their bodies, took them to Jabesh, burned them, and then buried their bones. All this took place at least three days after Saul had died, and probably longer. Saul and his sons joined Samuel in Sheol/Hades the day they died and the flesh of their bodies was burned with only their bones being placed in a grave several days later. Obviously Sheol/Hades and the grave are not the same thing, nor are they in the same place.

The story of the Rich Man and Lazarus that is found in Luke 16:19-31 gives us the record of a remarkable conversation that took place in Hades between the Rich Man and Abraham. Obviously, these two men could not have had this conversation at all if Sheol/Hades is only a place where dead bodies are buried. First, there could be no communication between lifeless, decaying corpses and second, Abraham’s body, which was buried in the cave of Machpelah over 1800 years earlier, had long since decayed. Also, the rich man’s body, regardless of whether it had decayed or not, would not have been buried in the burial cave of Abraham. From the context, it is obvious that these men were in the place of departed souls rather than a burial place.

There are some that contend that this is a parable that never actually took place and deny that it could have ever taken place. To these, who usually hold to a position of soul-sleep or the eradication of the soul at death, we answer; the Lord said that it did take place. Besides, as we have already pointed out, a parable by definition is a “true to life” story. To have meaning, it must be a story that could have actually taken place whether it ever did or not.

TARTARUS

The Apostle Peter used the word Tartarus in reference to “the angels that sinned” that God delivered to Sheol/Hades to await judgment (II Pet. 2:4). This word, which is translated “hell” in the KJV, was used in Greek mythology to refer to the place of punishment for the most wicked. It is not clear if Peter was using this word in reference to Sheol/Hades in a general way or if he was referring to a specific compartment of Sheol/Hades where a certain class of fallen angels are confined awaiting final judgment. Either way, this passage teaches that there is a place of confinement in which a particular group of beings are being held until the time of their judgment. This is consistent with the overall Biblical teaching about the existence and purpose of Sheol/Hades.

PARADISE

While Paradise is not now a part of Sheol/Hades it will be mentioned here because it was located in Sheol/Hades at one time. Before the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ everybody who died went to Sheol/Hades, which was at that time divided into at least two compartments. One was a place of torment while the other was a place of blessing, which was referred to as Abraham’s Bosom (Lk. 16:22-25). As we mentioned before, Tartarus may be a specific place in Sheol/Hades.

We know that Jesus Christ went “into the lower parts of the earth” (Eph. 4:9), that is to Sheol/Hades, “in the heart of the earth,” for three days and nights while his body was in the grave (Mat. 12:40). The Lord Jesus told the repentant thief that he would join Him in Paradise that same day (Lk. 23:42,43). This tells us that Paradise was located in Sheol/Hades at that time. We believe that this was the same place referred to as Abraham’s Bosom in Luke 16. However, after Jesus Christ rose from the dead He ascended to the Father, taking the saints who were in Abraham’s Bosom to heaven with Him. Thus, He took “captivity captive” (see Eph. 4:8-10).

That Paradise was moved to heaven is confirmed to us by the Apostle Paul who speaks of a man who was “caught up into Paradise” where he “heard unspeakable words” (II Cor. 12:3,4). With Jesus Christ’s work complete, the believers who had been confined to Sheol/Hades were now taken to Heaven to wait in God’s presence until the time of their resurrection to enter His Kingdom on Earth. Since that time, at death all believers go to Paradise in Heaven to await the time of their resurrection. This is true whether they belong to the Kingdom Church of the future or the Body of Christ Church of the present Dispensation of Grace.

THE GRAVE

We have already looked at the word queber, the most common word for grave, or a burial place, in the Old Testament, and have shown that it is not the same as Sheol. As previously stated, of the sixty-four times it is used it is rendered “grave” thirty-four times, “sepulcher” twenty-six times, and “burying place” four times. Two other words that are used for a burial place in the Old Testament are Shah-ghath and Qeburah.

Shah-ghath: This word is translated “grave” once (Job 33:22). It is rendered “ditch” twice, “destruction” twice, “corruption” four times, and “pit” thirteen times. This word speaks of something that man can dig (Ps. 94:13; Prov. 26:27) and is used in reference to a hole into which a man can fall (Ps. 7:15; Prov. 26:27), and a hole used as a trap (Ps. 35:7). It is a place where the physical body suffers destruction through the corruption of decay (Ps. 16:10; 49:9; 55:23). The basic meaning is that of a hole of some kind that man digs for a particular purpose. Generally, it is used of a burial place, i.e., a grave.

Qeburah: This word is related to queber and means a grave or burial place. It is used of various types of graves and is found fourteen times and is translated “grave” four times, “sepulcher” five times, “burial” four times, and “burying place” one time.

In the New Testament we find three more words that refer to the grave, taphos, mnema, and mnemeion.

Taphos is used seven times and is translated “sepulcher” six of those and “tomb” once.

Mnema is used seven times, being rendered “tomb” twice, “grave” once, and “sepulcher” four times.

Mnemeion is the most common word for grave in the New Testament. It is used forty-two times, five times as “tomb,” twenty-nine times as “sepulcher,” and eight times as “grave.”

The grave is a place where the physical remains of those who have died are deposited. It can be a hole in the ground, a cave, or a specially prepared vault or other place used for interment. The soul and spirit having departed the body at death, there is no consciousness of life in the grave. It is a place of corruption that serves to point out man’s need of a Savior. The soul of man lives on after physical death and will always remain in a conscious state of being. The unsaved go to Sheol/Hades to await their resurrection unto condemnation while the redeemed go to heaven to await their resurrection unto life (see Jn. 5:25-29).

PRACTICAL APPLICATION FOR TODAY

A proper understanding of what the Bible teaches about Hell, Sheol, Hades, and the Grave dispels confusion over what happens to the soul at the time of physical death and guards against being led astray by those teaching the false doctrines of soul-sleep, eradication of the soul, the universal reconciliation of mankind, and the annihilation of the lost. All of these erroneous doctrines are of Satan, used of him to dishearten believers and blind the lost to the reality of the cost of spurning the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Our thinking, and therefore our life on a day-to-day basis, is influenced by what we believe. While some of the false doctrines mentioned above are diametrically opposed to each other, they still have one thing in common. They subvert the truth of the immortality of the soul.


Source:https://www.bereanbiblesociety.org/hell-sheol-hades-paradise-and-the-grave/

Enlighten yourselves and stop being ignorant.

Talking about a temporary place of torment applies to does who died before the fulfilment of Christ on earth, and not dose who died after him. They only are in a state of nothingness and await the white throne judgement.

chikweezy:
Talking about a temporary place of torment applies to does who died before the fulfilment of Christ on earth, and not dose who died after him. They only are in a state of nothingness and await the white throne judgement.

So you mean that Moses and Elijah that appeared on mount of transfiguration to Jesus after Jesus died and rose, left Abraham's Bosom and back into their bodies in the grave to go to sleep?

What of saint's bodies that were never buried but totally destroyed in fire or even a bomb. Where do their souls sleep?

Why will there still be people in hell but the saints will be having a soul sleep with no consciousness.

If the saints are soul sleeping why will Paul say in Phil 1: 23 "But if I am to live on in the flesh, this will mean fruitful labor for me; and I do not know which to choose. But I am hard-pressed from both directions, having the desire to depart and be with Christ, for that is very much better; yet to remain on in the flesh is more necessary for your sake.…"?

Why will he even consider departing to be with Christ even if he know he won't see Christ immediately but soul sleep for millenniums before he one day sees Christ? Why don't he just desire to stay longer on the earth, since you know he won't still see Christ anyway?

Jesus used the term sleep for even his friend Lazarus that died before He went to the cross. And you've already agreed that ppl that died before the cross were in Sheol or Abraham's Bosom.

So because you see sleep, does not mean they are unconscious.

Lol...talking about saints whise bodies wia destroyed, remember we are spirit beings, and so their body will surely decay, however, their spirit sleeps and will resurrect in the fulness of time to either everlasting life or death.
Mind u, Elijah did not die, he was caught up by chariots of fire, and nobody knows d whereabouts of moses body as there is no record to say that moses died and was buried (so God took him). Therefore, they will not pass as perfect examples of pple who died. Broda, just look at it this way - there is going to be a white throne judgement were every1 will be judged both dead and alive. This is were the dead earlier mentioned will now resurrect for dia judgement. The Bible records dat "the waters will give up the dead in them,...even death and hell will do the same" meaning evry who has died will now rise to face judgement. They can't be in hell suffering, den after come for white throne judgement and after dat, suffering continues in fire. talk of a temporary place of torment is not biblical.

Jeromejnr:


So you mean that Moses and Elijah that appeared on mount of transfiguration to Jesus after Jesus died and rose, left Abraham's Bosom and back into their bodies in the grave to go to sleep?

What of saint's bodies that were never buried but totally destroyed in fire or even a bomb. Where do their souls sleep?

Why will there still be people in hell but the saints will be having a soul sleep with no consciousness.

If the saints are soul sleeping why will Paul say in Phil 1: 23 "But if I am to live on in the flesh, this will mean fruitful labor for me; and I do not know which to choose. But I am hard-pressed from both directions, having the desire to depart and be with Christ, for that is very much better; yet to remain on in the flesh is more necessary for your sake.…"?

Why will he even consider departing to be with Christ even if he know he won't see Christ immediately but soul sleep for millenniums before he one day sees Christ? Why don't he just desire to stay longer on the earth, since you know he won't still see Christ anyway?

Jesus used the term sleep for even his friend Lazarus that died before He went to the cross. And you've already agreed that ppl that died before the cross were in Sheol or Abraham's Bosom.

So because you see sleep, does not mean they are unconscious.

chikweezy:
Lol...talking about saints whise bodies wia destroyed, remember we are spirit beings, and so their body will surely decay, however, their spirit sleeps and will resurrect in the fulness of time to either everlasting life or death.
Mind u, Elijah did not die, he was caught up by chariots of fire, and nobody knows d whereabouts of moses body as there is no record to say that moses died and was buried (so God took him). Therefore, they will not pass as perfect examples of pple who died. Broda, just look at it this way - there is going to be a white throne judgement were every1 will be judged both dead and alive. This is were the dead earlier mentioned will now resurrect for dia judgement. The Bible records dat "the waters will give up the dead in them,...even death and hell will do the same" meaning evry who has died will now rise to face judgement. They can't be in hell suffering, den after come for white throne judgement and after dat, suffering continues in fire. talk of a temporary place of torment is not biblical.

We all know there will be a white throne judgement. But base your findings on scriptures. What about this?

"But ye are come unto ... the heavenly Jerusalem ... to the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the SPIRITS of just men made perfect." (Hebrews 12:23-24) This clearly tells us that when believers die, their spirits go to heaven immediately.

1 Thessalonians 4:14 tells us that the spirits of believers who have died, are waiting in heaven until the day when Jesus Christ will bring their spirits and souls with Him at the second coming in the air to be rejoined with their resurrected bodies. "... them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with Him." Their dead bodies, buried in the grave will be resurrected to rejoin their spirits and souls which Christ will bring with Him from heaven. Christ bringing their spirits and souls, shows that they are with Christ in heaven after death awaiting the resurrection.

After the rapture (catching away of believers to heaven) many people get saved in the seven year tribulation. Many of these are killed by the Antichrist. Do their souls go to soul-sleep in the grave? No! Their souls are seen under the altar in heaven: "I saw under the altar the SOULS of them that were slain for the word of God ... they cried with a loud voice, saying ..." (Revelation 6:9-10)

These souls of dead believers are in heaven. They can cry out with a loud voice. They have memory of their death on earth, crying for revenge. They are not unconscious or soul-sleeping in the grave.

balderdash

adexsimply:
balderdash

Still doesn't change anything.

Plss in dat case, since u knw there is white throne judgement, using biblical reference, reconcile this ur write up with wat d bible the event of the white throne judgement and d 'first resurrection'

Jeromejnr:


We all know there will be a white throne judgement. But base your findings on scriptures. What about this?

"But ye are come unto ... the heavenly Jerusalem ... to the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the SPIRITS of just men made perfect." (Hebrews 12:23-24) This clearly tells us that when believers die, their spirits go to heaven immediately.

1 Thessalonians 4:14 tells us that the spirits of believers who have died, are waiting in heaven until the day when Jesus Christ will bring their spirits and souls with Him at the second coming in the air to be rejoined with their resurrected bodies. "... them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with Him." Their dead bodies, buried in the grave will be resurrected to rejoin their spirits and souls which Christ will bring with Him from heaven. Christ bringing their spirits and souls, shows that they are with Christ in heaven after death awaiting the resurrection.

After the rapture (catching away of believers to heaven) many people get saved in the seven year tribulation. Many of these are killed by the Antichrist. Do their souls go to soul-sleep in the grave? No! Their souls are seen under the altar in heaven: "I saw under the altar the SOULS of them that were slain for the word of God ... they cried with a loud voice, saying ..." (Revelation 6:9-10)

These souls of dead believers are in heaven. They can cry out with a loud voice. They have memory of their death on earth, crying for revenge. They are not unconscious or soul-sleeping in the grave.

You are right bros j... As scary as this topic is, is the truth, I pray I make it to the right corners of eternity, being a man in the flesh isn't easy. When one try to avoid sin that's when temptations come, when one starts praying frequently that's when battles will keep increasing. May God's grace be more sufficient for me and everyone too

chikweezy:
Plss in dat case, since u knw there is white throne judgement, using biblical reference, reconcile this ur write up with wat d bible the event of the white throne judgement and d 'first resurrection'

Daniel 12:2 summarizes the two very different fates facing mankind: “Many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.” Everyone will be raised from the dead, but not everyone will share the same destiny. The New Testament reveals the further detail of separate resurrections for the just and the unjust.

Revelation 20:4-6 mentions a “first resurrection” and identifies those involved as “blessed and holy.” The second death (the lake of fire, Revelation 20:14) has no power over these individuals. The first resurrection, then, is the raising of all believers. It corresponds with Jesus’ teaching of the “resurrection of the just” (Luke 14:14) and the “resurrection of life” (John 5:29).

The first resurrection takes place in various stages. Jesus Christ Himself (the “first fruits,” 1 Corinthians 15:20), paved the way for the resurrection of all who believe in Him. There was a resurrection of the Jerusalem saints (Matthew 27:52-53) which should be included in our consideration of the first resurrection. Still to come are the resurrection of “the dead in Christ” at the Lord’s return (1 Thessalonians 4:16) and the resurrection of the martyrs at the end of the Tribulation (Revelation 20:4).

Revelation 20:12-13 identifies those comprising the second resurrection as the wicked judged by God at the great white throne judgment prior to being cast into the lake of fire. The second resurrection, then, is the raising of all unbelievers; the second resurrection is connected to the second death. It corresponds with Jesus’ teaching of the “resurrection of damnation” (John 5:29).

The event which divides the first and second resurrections seems to be the millennial kingdom. The last of the righteous are raised to reign “with Christ a thousand years” (Revelation 20:4), but the “rest of the dead [that is, the wicked] lived not again until the thousand years were finished” (Revelation 20:5).

What great rejoicing will attend the first resurrection! What great anguish at the second! What a responsibility we have to share the Gospel! “And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire” (Jude 23).

Ponder on that.

Jeromejnr:


Daniel 12:2 summarizes the two very different fates facing mankind: “Many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.” Everyone will be raised from the dead, but not everyone will share the same destiny. The New Testament reveals the further detail of separate resurrections for the just and the unjust.

Revelation 20:4-6 mentions a “first resurrection” and identifies those involved as “blessed and holy.” The second death (the lake of fire, Revelation 20:14) has no power over these individuals. The first resurrection, then, is the raising of all believers. It corresponds with Jesus’ teaching of the “resurrection of the just” (Luke 14:14) and the “resurrection of life” (John 5:29).

The first resurrection takes place in various stages. Jesus Christ Himself (the “first fruits,” 1 Corinthians 15:20),

What is Resurection ?

Jozzy4:


What is Resurection ?

Good question.

Resurrection back into the world. The same way Jesus resurrected back into the world.

Points to consider:

1. The thief on the cross was told by Jesus "that TODAY you will be with me in paradise" so right now is he soul sleeping?

2. In Revelations, the Matyrd souls under the altar crying for vengeance, were they soul sleeping? Cause we could see that the judgement had not even come yet. But yet God gave them Robes and told them to wait till others like them would be killed. Jesus had not yet judged and giving rewards to the saints then.

Do u see how everytin is just twisted inside out....yes d bible mentioned 'souls at d altar seeking vengeance' but dis are events of the tribulation, therefore after rapture. Also, there is no reference in the bible concerning any saint being in heaven prior to rapture. Talking about the theif at Jesus side, that is a wrong analogy as Jesus never ascended to paradise after His death, it was until 40days after his resurrection (Acts 1)

Jeromejnr:


Good question.

Resurrection back into the world. The same way Jesus resurrected back into the world.

Points to consider:

1. The thief on the cross was told by Jesus "that TODAY you will be with me in paradise" so right now is he soul sleeping?

2. In Revelations, the Matyrd souls under the altar crying for vengeance, were they soul sleeping? Cause we could see that the judgement had not even come yet. But yet God gave them Robes and told them to wait till others like them would be killed. Jesus had not yet judged and giving rewards to the saints then.

chikweezy:
Do u see how everytin is just twisted inside out....yes d bible mentioned 'souls at d altar seeking vengeance' but dis are events of the tribulation, therefore after rapture. Also, there is no reference in the bible concerning any saint being in heaven prior to rapture. Talking about the theif at Jesus side, that is a wrong analogy as Jesus never ascended to paradise after His death, it was until 40days after his resurrection (Acts 1)

All you said now, is with no scriptural backing.

Who told you Paradise was up in heaven? Do you know what Paradise is?

Jesus Himself said today, so wont that be lying if the today happened to be 40 days later?

Btw. How do you know that was after the rapture?. Those souls were slain for the word of God and were called servants by God (vs 11). And they were told to rest till the remaining servants like them were killed. Since you said it was after the rapture, why didn't they rapture with other saints.

Because we see that the wrath to come on those who were not raptured was in Chapter 16 later on.

Jeromejnr:


Good question.

Resurrection back into the world. The same way Jesus resurrected back into the world.

What is Ressurection itself ?

Points to consider:

1. The thief on the cross was told by Jesus "that TODAY you will be with me in paradise" so right now is he soul sleeping?

So, this mistranslation is an example of resurection ?

Wait , if this thief has actually been resurected , WHY DID THE APOSTLE PAUL SAID THE RESSURECTION Has Not Started ?

2. In Revelations, the Matyrd souls under the altar crying for vengeance, were they soul sleeping? Cause we could see that the judgement had not even come yet. But yet God gave them Robes and told them to wait till others like them would be killed. Jesus had not yet judged and giving rewards to the

John was in a vision man , he saw a preview of things that will happen in future present in symbols( Rev 1:1,2 ; 4:1)

You dont know what ressurection is ? Haaa !

Pls whc of them is without biblical reference. Is it that the great tribulation will occur after rapture of the elect 1 Thess 4 or that Jesus only went to heaven after Forty days from resurrection. Don't make it more complicated than it already is - Remember the word 'paradise' is an English word, so it wasn't the original translation, of which I believe means heaven. Yes, Jesus did not lie by making that statement to the thief. However, Jesus most times spoke figuratively. (Remember in Matthew 24 where he was telling his disciples about the events preceding his second coming and he mentioned in vs 34 that this generation shall not pass till all these things are fulfilled. We see that the generation we would have thought he referred to has passed. However, we now know that it was a figurative statement. The case of the theif is not an exception. Except you dont agree with the belief that the rapture anf second coming are different events with the great tribulation in-between, then we may never reach a common ground. We need God's divine revelation to really come to terms with these truth in His word.

Jeromejnr:


All you said now, is with no scriptural backing.

Who told you Paradise was up in heaven? Do you know what Paradise is?

Jesus Himself said today, so wont that be lying if the today happened to be 40 days later?

Btw. How do you know that was after the rapture?. Those souls were slain for the word of God and were called servants by God (vs 11). And they were told to rest till the remaining servants like them were killed. Since you said it was after the rapture, why didn't they rapture with other saints.

Because we see that the wrath to come on those who were not raptured was in Chapter 16 later on.

Jozzy4:


What is Ressurection itself ?



So, this mistranslation is an example of resurection ?

Wait , if this thief has actually been resurected , WHY DID THE APOSTLE PAUL SAID THE RESSURECTION Has Not Started ?



John was in a vision man , he saw a preview of things that will happen in future present in symbols( Rev 1:1,2 ; 4:1)

You dont know what ressurection is ? Haaa !

Point of correction. Not everything John saw in the vision was concerning the future, but also that of the past and present.

E.g. The woman and the dragon and also the Lamb opening the seal and as a result the elders worshipped Him and said "You are worthy.......... Cause you have redeemed us by your blood........and as a result we will riegn on the earth"

Except if you are of the school of thought that Christians will have to wait for the new earth before they finally reign.

Secondly, I never said the thief resurrected, I was talking of soul sleep. Like I said, how can he be soul sleeping if Jesus said he will be in paradise today. Resurrection happens when spirits get back into their bodies on the earth.

You can't resurrect in heaven, only on earth.

chikweezy:
Pls whc of them is without biblical reference. Is it that the great tribulation will occur after rapture of the elect 1 Thess 4 or that Jesus only went to heaven after Forty days from resurrection. Don't make it more complicated than it already is - Remember the word 'paradise' is an English word, so it wasn't the original translation, of which I believe means heaven. Yes, Jesus did not lie by making that statement to the thief. However, Jesus most times spoke figuratively. (Remember in Matthew 24 where he was telling his disciples about the events preceding his second coming and he mentioned in vs 34 that this generation shall not pass till all these things are fulfilled. We see that the generation we would have thought he referred to has passed. However, we now know that it was a figurative statement. The case of the theif is not an exception. Except you dont agree with the belief that the rapture anf second coming are different events with the great tribulation in-between, then we may never reach a common ground. We need God's divine revelation to really come to terms with these truth in His word.

So how did you know it was figurative?

And when Jesus said this generation, shall not pass away.....,you and others are the only one that thought he was talking of the generation of that time. The disciples knew it wasn't their own generation.

There was nothing figurative in that statement.
The key to understanding what Jesus means is the context; that is, we must understand the verses that are surrounding verse 34, but especially the verses prior to it. In Matthew 24:4-31, Jesus is speaking of future events. The generation of people living when those events occur is the generation that Jesus speaks of "not passing" until He returns. Jesus had already told those living during His earthly ministry that the kingdom had been taken from them (Matthew 21:43). Therefore, it is imperative that Matthew 24-25 be seen as speaking of a future time. The word “generation” refers to the people alive in the future when the events of Matthew 24-25 will occur.

So you see, how can they think it was their generation when they know the kingdom had not been taking from them?.

Jeromejnr:


Point of correction. Not everything John saw in the vision was concerning the future, but also that of the past and present.

E.g. The woman and the dragon and also the Lamb opening the seal and as a result the elders worshipped Him and said "You are worthy.......... Cause you have redeemed us by your blood........and as a result we will riegn on the earth"

Except if you are of the school of thought that Christians will have to wait for the new earth before they finally reign.

Secondly, I never said the thief resurrected, I was talking of soul sleep. Like I said, how can he be soul sleeping if Jesus said he will be in paradise today. Resurrection happens when spirits get back into their bodies on the earth.

You can't resurrect in heaven, only on earth.

Jumbo jumbo as usual

Simple question: What is Resurection ?

Jozzy4:

Jumbo jumbo as usual

Simple question: What is Resurection ?

To rise from the dead.


BTW. Before we go further, answer this question:

If all the dead now are just soul sleeping, then what is the purpose of hell? Since we know hell/hades is different from the lake of fire. (Except you don't know that)

Is hell empty? Why will it also be cast into the lake of fire at the end.

Jeromejnr:


To rise from the dead.

Has it happened ?

If all the dead now are just soul sleeping, then what is the purpose of hell? Since we know hell/hades is different from the lake of fire. (Except you don't know that)

Hades refer to the " grave" of earth , you wont be in Hade's if you die in the SEA . man

Is hell empty? Why will it also be cast into the lake of fire at the end.

Hell is fire abi ? And fire will be cast into another fire , abi? Does it make sense to you ?

Jozzy4:


Has it happened ?




Hades refer to the " grave" of earth , you wont be in Hade's if you die in the SEA . man




Hell is fire abi ? And fire will be cast into another fire , abi? Does it make sense to you ?

Okay,

Does it make sense to you that after Moses and Elijah appeared to Jesus on the mount and later Jesus rose up from the grave, that God went and told them in Paradise that

"Okay, guys, Jesus has paid the price, now I want all of you to leave here and go and sleep in your bodies in the grave (that is if their bodies where not totally mutilated) till the day He comes back to the earth" I mean why don't He just leave them to continue enjoying?

If there is no fire in hell, then why did Jesus say:

Mark 9:48 "If your eye causes you to stumble, throw it out; it is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, than, having two eyes, to be cast into hell, where THEIR WORM DOES NOT DIE, AND THE FIRE IS NOT QUENCHED. "For everyone will be salted with fire.…"

Why did Abraham tell the rich man who was in hell about Moses and other prophets who where on earth at the time preaching to people?

I mean this guy is in hell burning right, and he wants someone to go up there and preach to his brothers who are on earth. So tell me, will you be able to preach after the final judgment when souls have been thrown into the lake of fire?.

And Jesus Himself is the one that tells this story.

Think man, think.

You seem to have taken this soul-sleeping concept too far. Na u suppose ansa d question. No be u talk sey peeps dey Hell in temporary torment. You should realise that a lot changed spiritually after the death of Jesus Christ. Yes, Hell exists and is different from lake of fire. However, Hell does not apply to people that died after Jesus, because 'after death is judgement for them' - eternal life or damnation. Hell is for those that died before Christ..(no reference though just opinion). In the fullness of time, they will be resurrected and judged according to their works. Remember, in Colossians 1:18 - Jesus is the first born from the dead. There was no hope of resurrection for pple that died before Him. God is indeed Just.

Jeromejnr:


To rise from the dead.


BTW. Before we go further, answer this question:

If all the dead now are just soul sleeping, then what is the purpose of hell? Since we know hell/hades is different from the lake of fire. (Except you don't know that)

Is hell empty? Why will it also be cast into the lake of fire at the end.

chikweezy:
You seem to have taken this soul-sleeping concept too far. Na u suppose ansa d question. No be u talk sey peeps dey Hell in temporary torment. You should realise that a lot changed spiritually after the death of Jesus Christ. Yes, Hell exists and is different from lake of fire. However, Hell does not apply to people that died after Jesus, because 'after death is judgement for them' - eternal life or damnation. Hell is for those that died before Christ..(no reference though just opinion). In the fullness of time, they will be resurrected and judged according to their works. Remember, in Colossians 1:18 - Jesus is the first born from the dead. There was no hope of resurrection for pple that died before Him. God is indeed Just.

Does it make sense to you that after Moses and Elijah appeared to Jesus on the mount and later Jesus rose up from the grave, that God went and told them in Paradise that

"Okay, guys, Jesus has paid the price, now I want all of you to leave here and go and sleep in your bodies in the grave (that is if their bodies where not totally mutilated) till the day He comes back to the earth" I mean why don't He just leave them to continue enjoying?

And you see you are just stating your opinions like you said.