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Re: Re: See What Is Happening To Nigeria’s Economy Under Buhari by PassingShot(m): 8:52pm On Sep 11, 2015 |
obayaya:Do you have evidence of what you're claiming as being responsible for job loss? I disagree again with this point of yours.. The moment PMB was declared winner in March, did you notice that attention shifted from GEJ to PMB? Everybody was interested in PMB's plans not GEJ's plan. From that moment, GEJ's plans no matter how bright it might be became unsustainable/short term to investors while PMB's became a long term plan. Between that March to May 29, the economy was more or less on yellow waiting for PMB's green light. So in my humble opinion, I'll blame PMB for the slowdown in growth for second quarter.Your argument makes sense but still doesn't replace the fact that the statistics were for April, May and June. We cannot use our assumption to now make the statistics belong in different months. We have to deal with facts as presented. So, I refuse to put the blame of slow down in growth on PMB. When the figures for July, August and Sept (Q3) are released, PMB will be fully responsible for whatever it is. This argument is also faulty... investors are interested in making profit from rendering services that in turn provide jobs for the citizenry and improving our economy. Asking if the investors gains in the past was shared with the country is very irrational. If the investors can't make profit, how do you expect them to invest in the critical areas of our economy? the 60000 jobs I spoke of earlier is a direct consequence of situations like this.My point is simple: Investors usually make profits and losses. They're in business of taking risks for profit making. Chinese stock investors recently lost billions of dollars unexpectedly with stock crash. It affected USA and a handful of other big economies too and heaven did not fall. In our case, JP Morgan had started the process of delisting Nigeria since January. For us to remain in their BI, we were requested to meet many unfavourable conditions. It would have been suicidal for PMB and his presidency to give in to such demands. In fact, if he did, Nigerians would have taken to the street as the results of such action would have been very devastated to the economy. Than you. 2 Likes |
Re: Re: See What Is Happening To Nigeria’s Economy Under Buhari by Pidggin(f): 8:53pm On Sep 11, 2015 |
@OP, you must think we are all stewpid. From your post you are trying to tell us that there shall be no major development in the core areas of our economy because of GEJ's mistakes right? then why did you deceive us by making empty promises. Your election promises were not conditional so why the propaganda? You mention crude oil prices going down, we are all aware of this, but we don't expect you to give us excuses, we want an action plan It's always GEJ's fault for everything according to your party, this comes across as being petty, power is in your hands now stop trying to tarnish GEJ's image it wouldn't work. We want to see the change you promised not this display of pettiness and propaganda. 2 Likes |
Re: Re: See What Is Happening To Nigeria’s Economy Under Buhari by dkelvin225: 9:03pm On Sep 11, 2015 |
One thing i disliked about Nairaland; when you see a topic and you are expecting facts discussion and arguments, you will see people abusing themselves. What a Country. 1 Like |
Re: Re: See What Is Happening To Nigeria’s Economy Under Buhari by PassingShot(m): 9:03pm On Sep 11, 2015 |
erico2k2:The FG has not increased the subsidy bill. If anything, it has reduced the number of importers from 43 to 29 as you can read here http://tribuneonlineng.com/fg-slashes-import-licenses-oil-marketers-43-29 In fact, the FG is working to make NNPC become sole importer of petroleum products as reported here http://dailypost.ng/2015/08/13/fg-set-to-make-nnpc-sole-importer-of-petroleum-products/ So, please tell me what I don't know. 1 Like |
Re: Re: See What Is Happening To Nigeria’s Economy Under Buhari by Symphony007: 9:07pm On Sep 11, 2015 |
mikolo80:there was never a time that muhammadu buhari opened his mouth to Sy the jonathan administration was not cooperating with his transition commitee so forget that deflection of blame. If you have contrary evidence, provide it. |
Re: Re: See What Is Happening To Nigeria’s Economy Under Buhari by SangoCrusader: 9:10pm On Sep 11, 2015 |
@Passingshot I don't know what to say. I have been reading NL for the past decade but never in all my years have I read anything so abysmally ignorant. I almost feel like crying reading such swill. "...The loss is not Nigeria’s loss but investors. When investors have gained in the past, was the gain given or shared with the country?..." Are you soft in the head? By this statement alone, I have concluded that you are a bufffffoon at best and at worst, an economic saboteur. Investors pull out N311bn from the economy and you don't see anything wrong with this? Y didn't your folks use a condom... |
Re: Re: See What Is Happening To Nigeria’s Economy Under Buhari by ibedun: 9:14pm On Sep 11, 2015 |
obayaya: Investors! Investors!!! Investors!!! Oga please who are these your investors? Can you identify 1 investor who is stalling waiting for government policy? Are you by any chance referring to the friends and associate of Madam puff puff cheeks who has messed up the lives of unborn Nigerians. 1 Like |
Re: Re: See What Is Happening To Nigeria’s Economy Under Buhari by Kollyman: 9:15pm On Sep 11, 2015 |
drss: I am not being tribalistic, i think the igbos are a curse to Nigeria. Pls. let them go with their Biafra. 1 Like |
Re: Re: See What Is Happening To Nigeria’s Economy Under Buhari by PassingShot(m): 9:19pm On Sep 11, 2015 |
Nairalander303:Thanks. Appreciated. |
Re: Re: See What Is Happening To Nigeria’s Economy Under Buhari by mikolo80: 9:19pm On Sep 11, 2015 |
Symphony007:aaahhh there is God o. OK did apc complain or not. |
Re: Re: See What Is Happening To Nigeria’s Economy Under Buhari by ibedun: 9:20pm On Sep 11, 2015 |
otil1: Oni gbe se!!! So when the dollar runs out what would the government do? Resort to borrowing dollar at a crazy interest rates secured same against dwindling oil revenue? Are you aware that OYEL is selling below the bottom of the market? Go home and tell your children you are an idiat. 1 Like |
Re: Re: See What Is Happening To Nigeria’s Economy Under Buhari by SangoCrusader: 9:21pm On Sep 11, 2015 |
ibedun: "I" am an investor stalling and waiting for government policy. I have also pulled out a significant amount of money from my bank over the past two months, and moved it back here to the UK (cutting my losses on the FX loss). I know two other "investors" who have done the SAME THING. We are all divesting from Nigeria until the liquidity is restored and legitimate business people are allowed to trade freely in whichever currency they see fit. |
Re: Re: See What Is Happening To Nigeria’s Economy Under Buhari by InvertedHammer: 9:21pm On Sep 11, 2015 |
PassingShot:/ I stand to be corrected. Let the wailers name one country outside the G7 countries that has benefited long-term from the Bond market. Bond is a camouflaged bondage In finance, a bond is an instrument of indebtedness of the bond issuer to the holders. It is a debt security, under which the issuer owes the holders a debt and, depending on the terms of the bond, is obliged to pay them interest (the coupon) and/or to repay the principal at a later date, termed the maturity date.[1] Interest is usually payable at fixed intervals (semiannual, annual, sometimes monthly). Very often the bond is negotiable, i.e. the ownership of the instrument can be transferred in the secondary market. This means that once the transfer agents at the bank medallion stamp the bond, it is highly liquid on the second market.[2] Some people talked about investors pulling out N311bn from the Nigerian economy. How? Because the investors in Nigeria are mostly in areas they can bump and dump, not in infrastructures or capital development. They are invested in assets that can easily be monetized, call it paper money if you want--economic hitmen, they are. They are not investors but vultures looking for countries to devour. \ 2 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Re: See What Is Happening To Nigeria’s Economy Under Buhari by Symphony007: 9:21pm On Sep 11, 2015 |
Kastonkastroll:is it not funny how you accuse somebody of "yapping nonesense" then go ahead to yap nonesense! Okonjo iweala said nigeria should be ready for turbulent times due to the fall in oil price and other global economic dynamic, don't equate this stuupid shot in the foot to that. That's just disingenuous and grasping for straws. I'm glad that you say "as far as you are concerned" nigeria is not the largest economy in Africa, well that's your concern! Because it is a fact even attested go by every global economic authority. South Africa is still the most developed economy but we are the largest and greater investor destination, with this comes great responsibility including avoidance of uncertainty something which this government does not understand, if they did they won't let things continue in a free fall. Buhari has an economic team? that's news to me!! Who are the members? Is it the. National economic council chaired by osinbanjo whoes all the meeting held so far with governors is to share money? Has buhari ever held a meeting with an economic team to assure investors that their money is safe in nigeria and the temporal in century will be resolved soon? If they had such assurances and show of seriousness, do you think they will be fleeing in droves? Be guided my friend! 1 Like |
Re: Re: See What Is Happening To Nigeria’s Economy Under Buhari by PassingShot(m): 9:24pm On Sep 11, 2015 |
SangoCrusader:That was not about what was pulled out. It was about what was lost following JP Morgan's delisting of Nigeria from Bond Index. Try to read and comprehend. Your insult is ignored for now. |
Re: Re: See What Is Happening To Nigeria’s Economy Under Buhari by Symphony007: 9:24pm On Sep 11, 2015 |
mikolo80:did you hear what I said? Did muhammadu buhari, president-elect of the federal republic of nigeria at anytime say jonathan was not cooperating with the transition? Don't tell me about the busy bodies in APC which your president has even denied because they made promises and statements to nigerians, he never sanctioned. |
Re: Re: See What Is Happening To Nigeria’s Economy Under Buhari by SangoCrusader: 9:30pm On Sep 11, 2015 |
Ok, here is a scenario. An investor with $$$ invested in Nigeria when it was N265:£1. Due to significant economic uncertainty, the said investor is so uncomfortable with the situation that he has to convert back at today's rate which is N361:£1 to get his money out, cutting his losses in the process. So someone to chooses to lose ~40% in FX losses, he must have absolutely no hope in a recovery. Therefore, these are not "economic hitmen", these are disillusioned investors who see ABSOLUTELY not hope in a recovery. Secondly, can you name ONE asset in Nigeria that can be easily monetized AND converted easily back into dollars InvertedHammer: |
Re: Re: See What Is Happening To Nigeria’s Economy Under Buhari by ibedun: 9:35pm On Sep 11, 2015 |
sammhi: You are just regurgitating textbook economics. There is a difference between theory and practice. The truth if you care to know is that devaluation is positive only if you have something to sell and there are lots of international buyers queuing up to buy from you. That way devaluation reduces your international market price and makes your product competitive. You sell more and your domestic producers and economy will benefit. China as a major producer can afford to devalue its currency by 50% if it wishes. On the other hand Nigeria produces nothing and earns 90% of its foreign exchange from oil (price is collapsing and other sources of suppliers are emerging, meaning less and less revenue for Nigeria). If we devalue our currency, our import dependent economy will collapse and our standard of living will collapse, we will start eating each other. Such would be the level of poverty. Foreign investors will run a mile due to the unacceptable level of risk that will arise from the above situation. Devaluation may hasten the disintegration of the country (This would please Biafrans except that Biafra would be unviable). Hope you get it. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Re: See What Is Happening To Nigeria’s Economy Under Buhari by mikolo80: 9:35pm On Sep 11, 2015 |
Symphony007:I never said he said anything. I remember apc/buhari hounding the Jona govt to handover and they were called names so now there is a delay why are you complaining that's all I'm saying 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Re: See What Is Happening To Nigeria’s Economy Under Buhari by Symphony007: 9:45pm On Sep 11, 2015 |
mikolo80:and I said buhari never said such. If you feel he did, prove it by giving me a link to click on. |
Re: Re: See What Is Happening To Nigeria’s Economy Under Buhari by mikolo80: 9:58pm On Sep 11, 2015 |
Symphony007:why Will I defend what I never said. that's your fabrication in order to sustain unsustainable argument. your ppl delayed by two months, so endure for another two. we voted for to get pdp out and anti corruption, not economic reform. we've achieved one, baba is working on the other. we the majority are not complaining(this is a democracy you know) |
Re: Re: See What Is Happening To Nigeria’s Economy Under Buhari by Kastonkastroll(m): 10:11pm On Sep 11, 2015 |
ibedun:lol. when i saw the guy's comment, I had to laugh at his daftness. 1 Like |
Re: Re: See What Is Happening To Nigeria’s Economy Under Buhari by Kastonkastroll(m): 10:34pm On Sep 11, 2015 |
Symphony007:lol . my friend you are just trying to be clever by half and at the same time you are distorting facts from what actually happened in the last four months before the handover. OK if our economy was so good in the last days of gej administration as you want us to believe, why did they have to borrow in other to meet up with workers demand? And secondly, you dont expect buhari to hit the ground immediately with a cabinet after the kinda "perfect economy" he inherited from Jonathan, do you? I would have really like to say much but unfortunately am feeling so sleepy here. Good nite.. 1 Like |
Re: Re: See What Is Happening To Nigeria’s Economy Under Buhari by Nobody: 11:21pm On Sep 11, 2015 |
SeverusSnape:you are wasting that white substance in your skull 1 Like |
Re: Re: See What Is Happening To Nigeria’s Economy Under Buhari by Ezehh: 11:21pm On Sep 11, 2015 |
FOR HOW LONG WILL WE KEEP BLAMING GEJ (PAST GOVERNMENT) EVEN WHEN THE NEW GOVT HAVE SPENT OVER A 100 DAYS IN OFFICE?? WHAT HAVE THE NEW GOVT DONE TO REMEDY THE MESS CAUSED BY THE PAST GOVT? WE NEED TO START SEEING A CLEARER DIFFERENCE, A DEVIATION TOWARDS THE POSITIVE REAL LINE NO MATTER HOW SMALL THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE DIFFERENCE MAY BE. I PRAY WE LEARN TO STOP DEFENDING ANY POLITICAL PARTY. |
Re: Re: See What Is Happening To Nigeria’s Economy Under Buhari by kutchs: 11:22pm On Sep 11, 2015 |
Isn't it shameful that a party that promised so much has turned to the blame game to excuse its incompetence.I'm not an economist so I will leave economics out of this. Nigerians didnt vote APC to lead the FG to give excuse. Even if the Nigerian economy was bad under GEJ as APC wants us to believe, didn't they promise to 'change' things? They knew the state of the economy but they made promises even Clinton and Trump would be afraid to make just to win election, now election has been won and all we get is excuse upon excuse. It's only a fool who refuses to acknowledge his limitations and work towards overcoming it. Buhari knows he's no economist like me, he knows he has nothing upstairs, what a wiser person would have done is to gather better brains immediately so his inefficiency could be covered.I pity my country but I pity more the 15 million gullible and deceived folks who voted for the empty head. |
Re: Re: See What Is Happening To Nigeria’s Economy Under Buhari by Ikiriye(m): 11:52pm On Sep 11, 2015 |
PassingShot: Who sent you.the light we enjoy today and some other benefits did you now see that you shot yourself in the leg.You will agree with me that the past govt was responsible for these development and not this present govt.you have proven to Nigerians that this govt obviously has not done anything and cannot because of your analysis till next year budget.so enough of these hypocrisy of sai baba and sai bullshit |
Re: Re: See What Is Happening To Nigeria’s Economy Under Buhari by Ikiriye(m): 12:00am On Sep 12, 2015 |
Kollyman: You just said who you are bigot.because they speak their opinion on this forced marriage called Nigeria where only the Yorubas and their slave masters north benefits. |
Re: Re: See What Is Happening To Nigeria’s Economy Under Buhari by Ikiriye(m): 12:05am On Sep 12, 2015 |
peedeeasobie: You day mind them. |
Re: Re: See What Is Happening To Nigeria’s Economy Under Buhari by Ikiriye(m): 12:10am On Sep 12, 2015 |
PassingShot: And you think that gej was vandalizing the gas pipeline ode. |
Re: Re: See What Is Happening To Nigeria’s Economy Under Buhari by Ikiriye(m): 12:25am On Sep 12, 2015 |
PassingShot: Can you bite the finger that is feeding you. |
Re: Re: See What Is Happening To Nigeria’s Economy Under Buhari by InvertedHammer: 5:26am On Sep 12, 2015 |
SangoCrusader:/ I will name two--Bonds and stocks. They are intangible assets and are highly liquid. The investors you are hearing about are not interested in building bridges. They want quick return on investments by a push of buttons. Still amazed? Dangote has many factories. How many factories does facebook have? Yet facebook is valued more than Dangote. It is all about valuations. That is where the money is. And that is why an investment banker goes home with about $2million commission in one year while an Engineer will be happy to see $120k in a year. Money is hidden in a place where most people are not looking for it. Someone most likely looked at the fundamentals, shorted the NSE Index and made a truckload of money It is all game. \ 4 Likes 2 Shares |
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