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Nigeria Was Right To Stand Up To JP Morgan by PassingShot(m): 8:48pm On Sep 13, 2015 |
This goes beyond PassingShot's or any other Nairalander's opinion. Let those who have unbiased mind read and digest. I have highlighted some important areas. Source: http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/jp-morgan-index-no-to-devaluation-blackmail/218658/ The threat by JP Morgan Index Team, a unit of the American Bank, JP Morgan to delist Nigeria from its Government Bond Index, if the Central Bank fails to reverse all of its efforts to manage the negative effects of the sharp fall in oil prices is nothing short of corporate international blackmail. SUMMARY: For Nigeria to continue to participate in the BI, the conditions given by JP Morgan are very detrimental to our economy. Nigeria will have to devalue the Naira and possibly will exchange for about N350 to a dollar or more. This will drive up inflation which means cost of imports and even local goods will go up. Cost of doing business will shoot up and productivity will expectedly drop which will eventually lead to massive retrenchment by the companies. For those talking trash about the JP Morgan delisting Nigeria, can they or their superior economists somewhere in their enclave put up a similar article to support their position and just stop looking at the small picture of what will be taken out of the economy. Better still, let them tell us how we have benefitted from being listed in JP Morgan's Bond Index since 2012 that we were admitted. Lalasticlala Seun Obinoscopy, this is very educative and enlightening. Not so? 21 Likes 9 Shares |
Re: Nigeria Was Right To Stand Up To JP Morgan by ladyF(f): 8:49pm On Sep 13, 2015 |
Interesting....Emefiele is trying. If only our economy was not so dependent on oyel, we won't be in this mess. Diversify, diversify...them no go hear!!! We put ourselves in this mess!!!! 2 Likes |
Re: Nigeria Was Right To Stand Up To JP Morgan by Bevista: 8:50pm On Sep 13, 2015 |
Better still, let them tell us how we have benefitted from being listed in JP Morgan's Bond Index since 2012 that we were admitted.One benefit of being on the index is that it suddenly makes our sovereign bonds to attract more interest from foreign investors. More interest (demand) means higher prices for those bonds, and since bond prices are inversely proportional to yield (Interest rate), this provides our government the opportunity of borrowing or refinancing at relatively lower interest rates. So, therefore, exiting the index means that foreign investors will dump (sell) those bonds leading to lower prices and conversely higher yields. The implication being that government may now have to borrow at higher rates. Also, banks hold these bonds as Assets on their balance sheet. Lower prices for those bonds will negatively impact banks Capital Adequacy Ratio (CAR) and Reserves position. This will reduce the banks capacity to lend leading also to higher interest rates. ----- Macro economic or monetary policies are usually a balancing act - there is always a trade off. For instance, if CBN increases interest rate in a bid to fight inflation, there will be those who will argue (rightly so) that the higher interest will affect business borrowing. Typically, the authorities will take a decision based on their priorities and NET benefits to the economy. For the record, I support the CBN on their position in this situation, since acting otherwise would have more grave consequences on the economy. JP Morgan has a duty to act in the best interest of its investors, just like CBN also has a duty to act in the best interest of its local economy. There's no point blackmailing or demonizing JPMorgan. Rating agencies like Fitch, S&P, Moodys downgrade economies all the time. Most times, the fiscal/monetary authorities don't agree with them, but then they have their rating criteria. 14 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Nigeria Was Right To Stand Up To JP Morgan by OZAOEKPE(f): 8:50pm On Sep 13, 2015 |
"an agent of Sahara reporters". Quote me anywhere. 8 Likes |
Re: Nigeria Was Right To Stand Up To JP Morgan by PassingShot(m): 9:00pm On Sep 13, 2015 |
Those who have come here with insults should kindly be ignored. They will attempt to drag you into the mud since they got nothing upstairs. 6 Likes |
Re: Nigeria Was Right To Stand Up To JP Morgan by Nobody: 9:00pm On Sep 13, 2015 |
I will be back |
Re: Nigeria Was Right To Stand Up To JP Morgan by MizMyColi(f): 9:01pm On Sep 13, 2015 |
So what you're saying based on your submissions on this thread is that the GEJ led government was right to have called their bluff in January as have the Buhari government just recently? 20 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Nigeria Was Right To Stand Up To JP Morgan by PRYCE(m): 9:02pm On Sep 13, 2015 |
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Re: Nigeria Was Right To Stand Up To JP Morgan by 9jii(m): 9:02pm On Sep 13, 2015 |
They are Wailers and ignorants double Wahala on them 2 Likes |
Re: Nigeria Was Right To Stand Up To JP Morgan by slap1(m): 9:06pm On Sep 13, 2015 |
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Re: Nigeria Was Right To Stand Up To JP Morgan by PassingShot(m): 9:09pm On Sep 13, 2015 |
MizMyColi:Your question is not clear. Was Nigeria delisted in January? The country started to be monitored in Jan to see if she will dance to its demands. 4 Likes |
Re: Nigeria Was Right To Stand Up To JP Morgan by kaboninc(m): 9:11pm On Sep 13, 2015 |
PassingShot: Most times I don't know where you stand. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Nigeria Was Right To Stand Up To JP Morgan by joseph1832(m): 9:21pm On Sep 13, 2015 |
PassingShot:You expect the Nairaland vaudeville of pundits and economic chichidodos as well as the political philistine to come up with something educating and unbias? 6 Likes |
Re: Nigeria Was Right To Stand Up To JP Morgan by anangboy(m): 9:23pm On Sep 13, 2015 |
Only short-sighted economies embrace the pro-cyclical macro-economic policies routinely administered by the World Money Order on developing economies. It has been said that western policies make it difficult for developing economies to pursue economic strategies that made developed economies rich. Countries in Asia, South-America and Russia can see through the charade. 5 Likes |
Re: Nigeria Was Right To Stand Up To JP Morgan by sammyj: 9:26pm On Sep 13, 2015 |
Ok |
Re: Nigeria Was Right To Stand Up To JP Morgan by PassingShot(m): 9:29pm On Sep 13, 2015 |
joseph1832:I know they're incapable of that but we need to always challenge them to it. At least this one is from a real analyst and it should make them shut up permanently about the issue. 2 Likes |
Re: Nigeria Was Right To Stand Up To JP Morgan by ijustdey: 9:32pm On Sep 13, 2015 |
if we allow the foreign policies to determine how we run our economy..... we are bound to fail I hope we can still remember how these international agencies sold the idea if SAP to us during the Babagida era and how its affected our economy. let's call some bluffs of these people and remodel our economy to fit in our own clime. by these we develop those Asian countries and South America countries call off the bluff of these agencies and their economy hasn't gone done...... now it's on the rise. we can't allow them to keep baby sitting us again the know how large and advantageous our market is....they will soon backdown if we remain head strong and call their bluff 4 Likes |
Re: Nigeria Was Right To Stand Up To JP Morgan by joseph1832(m): 9:33pm On Sep 13, 2015 |
PassingShot:You forget they termed them "wailing wailers" for this particular reason, because they never shot up, even when they have the truth being shoved down their throats, they will still wail. 3 Likes |
Re: Nigeria Was Right To Stand Up To JP Morgan by PassingShot(m): 9:38pm On Sep 13, 2015 |
joseph1832:Yeah, they don't have to stop wailing but we always need to shove the truth down their throat. They have avoided this thread like it's leprosy. 3 Likes |
Re: Nigeria Was Right To Stand Up To JP Morgan by hassan85(m): 9:41pm On Sep 13, 2015 |
For all I know, jp morgan cant define our financial future. Nigeria will and must take shape soon. Only haters of Nigeria celebrate doom. We wil suceed. 4 Likes |
Re: Nigeria Was Right To Stand Up To JP Morgan by hinwazaka: 9:42pm On Sep 13, 2015 |
Last week the OP, told us that the delisting was GEJ's fault and would not affect our economy. Now he has done a 180 to tell us that the CBN intentionally got itself kicked out of the JP Morgan index. This further buttresses my point that PASSINGSHOT IS A CERTIFIED ILLITERATE AND A SECONDARY SCHOOL DROPOUT. How did the CBN take a stand in a case they were not represented. We had 4 months to argue our case or comply with the regulations given by the bank. But due to the APC government's lethargic, unserious and ridiculous, sorry excuse for an EXECUTIVE, this matter was ignored till, JP Morgan used the rod on us. And for all those who believe that this will not affect us, let me skip the economics, which the OP has no way of comprehending,(OLODO), and use a simple analogy. Let's use the English premiership: Is QUEENSPARK RANGERS economically better off, in the Nationwide division, now it no longer plays in the PREMIERSHIP, due to it being relegated. Without the TV rights, and Premiership bonus money, and the huge ticket sales, that are commanded by a premiership top division club. The players it can attract because of the prestige of playing top flight football. And also the prospect of qualifying for the Europa league. THIS IN ECONOMICS IS CHARACTERISED UNDER THE THEORY OF CONSUMPTION: Your level of income, may drop, but the level at which you consume is not relative to your income, for you would then have to fund an alternative source of income to sustain the consumption rate you are already accustomed to. That is ECONOMICS. 13 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Nigeria Was Right To Stand Up To JP Morgan by PassingShot(m): 9:45pm On Sep 13, 2015 |
hinwazaka:Kindly show where I told you it was GEJ's fault? Waiting ....... It's obvious this is beyond you anyway. I know how frustrated you are, so your insults are not a thing of surprise. 11 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Nigeria Was Right To Stand Up To JP Morgan by micklplus(m): 9:46pm On Sep 13, 2015 |
As a country, what do we stand to gain? I understand the strength the listing would give to our bonds as well as the amount we would lose from foreign direct investment but beyond such "carot" , what is the impact of imf, jp Morgan and Co 's benefit on our economy? From 2012, should we say we have gained anything significantly from the listing by jp Morgan? Would it make any sense to have naira exchanged for about N400 to a dollar? Shouldn't we start looking to do away with these western capitalists making profits at our detriment? Wetin we dey export sef apart oyel? Mtshweeeee 6 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Nigeria Was Right To Stand Up To JP Morgan by ijustdey: 9:51pm On Sep 13, 2015 |
not until we stop petroleum importation which has basically taken more than 40% of our forex demands..... we still be facing these forex fluctuation and its accompanying problems if we can face out petroleum importation and some agric produce importation...... this action alone will allow forex to stabilize itself and the naira to gain some percentage over dollar because it's demand will be greatly reduced all this international agencies are just bull dogs that can't bite but can scare if you allow them 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Nigeria Was Right To Stand Up To JP Morgan by Nobody: 9:57pm On Sep 13, 2015 |
PassingShot I want to be like u, when I grow up 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Nigeria Was Right To Stand Up To JP Morgan by PassingShot(m): 9:59pm On Sep 13, 2015 |
IbnSultaan:Funny man you are. Thanks for the compliments though. Appreciated. 1 Like |
Re: Nigeria Was Right To Stand Up To JP Morgan by hinwazaka: 10:04pm On Sep 13, 2015 |
PassingShot:Keynes, state three theories of economics, what is the Edgeworth boxley diagram, give me a macroeconomic model, tell me three functions of money, who is ML Jinghan, name 3 members of the Classical school of economics, define crowding effect. If you can't answer just 3 of this questions, without the assistance of google, then I suggest you move to the PHONE section, and leave this to those with a degree of knowledge of ECONOMICS. 4 Likes |
Re: Nigeria Was Right To Stand Up To JP Morgan by atlwireles: 10:16pm On Sep 13, 2015 |
Its now an American bank, funny people. The JPMorgan Government Bond Index-Emerging Markets (GBI-EM) indices are comprehensive emerging market debt benchmarks that track local currency bonds issued by Emerging Market governments. As Emerging Market governments look increasingly toward their domestic market for sources of finance, investors are looking more closely at local markets in search for higher yield and greater diversification. The GBI-EM indices is composed of only those countries from the GBI universe that meet criteria for an Emerging Market, resulting in 18 countries from four regions. The regional sub-division of the indices consists of Asia, Europe, Latin America, and Middle East/Africa. GBI-EM Broad is the all-encompassing index. It includes all eligible countries regardless of capital controls and/or regulatory and tax hurdles for foreign investors. As of November 2013 the following 18 emerging market economies were part of the GBI-EM Broad index: Brazil, Chile, China, Colombia, Hungary, India, Indonesia, Malaysia, Mexico, Nigeria, Peru, Philippines, Poland, Romania, Russia, South Africa, Thailand, and Turkey. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JPMorgan_GBI-EM_Index 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Nigeria Was Right To Stand Up To JP Morgan by dustmalik(m): 10:17pm On Sep 13, 2015 |
hinwazaka:Take your stupidity out of here. You accused him of saying something, and then he asked you to show proof of him saying it. You don't have proof, and then you come back to ask nonsense questions? i repeat, take your stupidity out of here. PassingShot, ignore him. he doesn't deserve an answer. 14 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Nigeria Was Right To Stand Up To JP Morgan by 4Play(m): 10:17pm On Sep 13, 2015 |
The article is fundamentally incoherent. It claims that the official exchange rate reflects the real value of the Naira but then the article is an ode to the "wisdom" of the CBN's interventionist policy to keep the Naira within the official peg. The whole raison d'etre of CBN intervention is to stop the Naira from reflecting its real value, i.e, a lower exchange rate to the dollar. This issue has been flogged to death in my previous posts but just for emphasis I would reiterate some salient points. One needs to ask the fundamental question: what purpose does maintaining a higher exchange rate actually serve? 197 Naira to $1 allows us to buy foreign goods and services at a cheaper rate than would be the case at 240 Naira to $1 for instance. Hence, the CBN's policy makes it cheaper to import and one can say that the argument against devaluation is an argument for cheaper imports. This brings us to the next point: why is it in the national interest for the government to assist in lowering import costs? The usual retort is that this helps maintain a lid on inflation. The argument goes that as Nigeria is import dependent, the government ought to intervene to keep imports cheap. But if the root cause of the problem is import dependency, Nigeria will never be weaned from this dependency if it insists on intervening to keep imports cheap. Higher import costs is the natural way to curb demand for imports. You might say higher import costs will lead to loss of jobs but imports also costs jobs - remember all those textile factories in the North that had to close down due to cheaper imports from China? This brings me to the practical issue: how would CBN intervention work in practice? The irony is that the CBN's intervention will be ineffective over the long run. If oil prices and, therefore, dollar revenue remain subdued, the Naira will continue facing downward pressure. The CBN's intervention will require either that it depletes the foreign reserves and or restrict access to the dollar. Because foreign reserves are insufficient, it is more likely to restrict access to forex. In doing so, we will see an exacerbation of the divergence between the official and parallel rates a la the Abacha era. During the Abacha era, the CBN's obstinate interventionism to stop the Naira from falling led to the official rate being 22 Naira to the dollar whilst the parallel rate was 85 Naira to the dollar. This nightmarish scenario is about to be repeated because of Nigerians odd proclivity of failing to learn from history. So in practice the CBN's policy will not actually work and will prove a boon to round trippers and the highly connected. One can purchase $1m with 199m Naira at the official rate and sell the $1m at the parallel rate for 230m Naira. The beauty of Nigeria is that official policy is often designed to aid and abet corruption and nepotism. The most annoying thing is that the CBN's interventionist policy increases the chances of the Naira falling under further pressure! Remember that the Naira is under pressure due to a shortfall of foreign currency entering into the country due to a fall in dollar oil income. Foreign investment is a way to make up that shortfall but the net effect of the CBN's actions as epitomised by JP Morgan's decision is a reduction in foreign investment. It's no good claiming that this is only portfolio investment as this is highly correlated to FDI. This brings me to the political issue. I have to say that I read Passingshot's posts with amusement. He keeps harping on that if not for CBN intervention, the Naira will fall to 350 Naira to $1. Months ago and before Buhari became president, I told him that if he believed the gargantuan sums which it is claimed the GEJ regime stole - the $20bn within 18 months being the most famous - and that Buhari will prove an effective anti-corruption fighter, it will follow that Buhari will recover much of that money. In such a scenario, huge sums of money will be repatriated back to Nigeria and the Naira will not fall to 350 Naira to $1. This in a nutshell embodies the limits of propaganda and the sheer incoherence required to attempt to rationalise the dissonance between reality and propaganda. 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Nigeria Was Right To Stand Up To JP Morgan by 989900: 10:19pm On Sep 13, 2015 |
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Re: Nigeria Was Right To Stand Up To JP Morgan by Nobody: 10:21pm On Sep 13, 2015 |
PassingShot:ur welcome Monsieur 1 Like |
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