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Re: Ministers Are Very Important And Not Noisemakers: A Reply To PMB by wirinet(m): 9:00am On Sep 17, 2015
Barcanista, you are still trying to hide your bitterness of Buhari's defeat of Jonathan by forming constructive criticism. It is not a must to criticise every statement Buhari makes. You cannot criticise someone for what he thinks. Buhari never said he will not appoint ministers, he was only sharing his thoughts , and after being in government for over two decades, including becoming a head of state, he is entitled to his own opinion.

This is what he said;
“The ministers are there, I think, to make a lot of noise; for the politicians to make a lot of noise. But the work is being
done by the technocrats. They are there; they have to provide the continuity, dig into the records and then guide us,
[those of us] who are just coming in.
“They have been there, some of them for 15 years, some for 20 years. So I think this question of ministers is political.
People from different constituencies want to see their people directly in government, and see what they can get out of
it.”

Buhari went further to explain that Ministers could be sources of distraction as a result of their dual allegiance; to their function as officials of the state and as politicians.

You should see that Buhari is making a statement on the kinds of people he would choose as ministers; technocrats who make little noise with little political allegiance.

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Re: Ministers Are Very Important And Not Noisemakers: A Reply To PMB by Amorl(m): 9:02am On Sep 17, 2015
hinwazaka:

Go and ask the TV presenter, who seriously schooled Madam due process when she stupidly claimed she is not a politician. The level of illiteracy and ignorance in our country is appalling, and you have just shown your own stake in it.
Well......Dr. Oby could have successfully claimed she wasn't/isn't a politician if she wasn't trying to cover OBJ when she was asked a simple question. Maybe she was dirty herself.
Re: Ministers Are Very Important And Not Noisemakers: A Reply To PMB by Nicklaus(m): 9:04am On Sep 17, 2015
mrvitalis:
Tonye... the fact that people actually praise ur analysis shows the level of decay in Nigerian educational system
Let me educate u a little bit
1) a minister is a mere representative of the president in that ministry
2) the president can pass his directives or give instructions based on his manifesto to any ministery WITH OR WITHOUT A MINISTER
3) ministers are only needed when the president wants to reduce the work load on him.... And if the president is not complaining..... I wonder y u should.. ....
..
SMH sad The fact that you got any like shows Nigeria has a bigger problem in educating the masses.


It shows this is how you would delude the masses and personally advise the president, if you were closer to him


For someone who earlier stated that his age could limit his level of effectiveness, how then will he want his workload to overwhelm him when he can easily appoint people to prevent that from happening


Yes! Ministers represents the president in the ministries and readily carry out the president's directives as you mentioned.


That makes their role in the affairs of state even more crucial. Because a president can not virtually reach out to all the core sectors in a diverse country like Nigeria


So stop this UNREASONABLE BIGOTRIES and let someone reasonable speak out.


And hey,,, there is nothing like MERE representatives. Only representatives.

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Re: Ministers Are Very Important And Not Noisemakers: A Reply To PMB by BraniacX(m): 9:05am On Sep 17, 2015
PDPwayoo:

@TonyeBarcanista you better go and commit suicide. I think that is better and faster than this slow death you are experiencing cos of Buhari.

Even if Buhari appoint your miserable tribal men as minister, you will still have 101 reasons to complain.



Idiocy is always expected from an idi0t angry


As is lunacy from a lunatic undecided

Foolishness from a fo0l

Insanity from the insane

Stupidity from the stup1d

Masturbation from a masturbator

And your trash up there from you
Re: Ministers Are Very Important And Not Noisemakers: A Reply To PMB by mescapee: 9:05am On Sep 17, 2015
TonyeBarcanista:

Sometimes it is VERY good to use your brain to think...

1. Political party sponsor a candidate for office of the President.
2. The President is to work towards implementation of party manifesto.
3. He employs his ministers who help formulate policies and see to their executions in line with President/Party agenda.
4. THE ministers are exxpected to be LOYAL to the President and defend his government against opposition parties.


Common sense should dictate to you that Ministers are partisan people, hence, majority (if not 100%) are picked from ruling party. The few outsiders (if any) are naturally enmeshed into the ideals of the President's party. Common sense 101


TOTAL KNOCK OUT
Re: Ministers Are Very Important And Not Noisemakers: A Reply To PMB by AprokoMan: 9:05am On Sep 17, 2015
lastpage:


[s]He actually used to be a Buharist .... until February 2015 when GEJ postponed elections!

That period, COINCIDENTALLY, was when GEJ doled out 3Billion Naira (part of it was coined "Digitalisation money" and given to TV stations like AIT) to be used to recruit "e-warriors" to act as propaganda tools, in the hope that Nigerians are foolish and will swallow the rubbish they spew online!


Now, if you conclude that he was 'touched" in February.........I can understand

He wants to be remembered as "Barcanista" ... but he does not want to be remembered as "Barcanista" at the same time! grin

[/s]

Lastpage!

wow! u know barca's history...u've been a fan. now it hurts u that he's no longer in ur pack of lying wolves in sheep clothing.


drink otapipia and die jo
Re: Ministers Are Very Important And Not Noisemakers: A Reply To PMB by Nobody: 9:06am On Sep 17, 2015
AprokoMan:



You are an unutterably contemptible ninny and a corrupt blood-freezing personification of vulgarity.
Re: Ministers Are Very Important And Not Noisemakers: A Reply To PMB by Ikiriye(m): 9:07am On Sep 17, 2015
mrvitalis:
Tonye... the fact that people actually praise ur analysis shows the level of decay in Nigerian educational system
Let me educate u a little bit
1) a minister is a mere representative of the president in that ministry
2) the president can pass his directives or give instructions based on his manifesto to any ministery WITH OR WITHOUT A MINISTER
3) ministers are only needed when the president wants to reduce the work load on him.... And if the president is not complaining..... I wonder y u should.. ....
..

I think that with people of school of thought like you should advice the president to form a different kind of govt and not deceive people or using democratic standard.you cannot function without ministers,even in earlier years when kings and queens rule.there is delegation of duties so don't come to NL to educate people that knows better than you.blind followers are the biggest issues we are facing and these are another forms of corruption.song praising etc.

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Re: Ministers Are Very Important And Not Noisemakers: A Reply To PMB by AprokoMan: 9:07am On Sep 17, 2015
Burger01:

[s]I will always say it, the guy has gone politically 'bunkered'... frustrated sad[/s]

another idiot who doesn't read before commenting. just quoted his APShit comrade to spew nonsense from his subconscious
Re: Ministers Are Very Important And Not Noisemakers: A Reply To PMB by BraniacX(m): 9:07am On Sep 17, 2015
IbnSultaan:
TonyeBarcanista
Your analysis is poor and nothing short of a scam
base on my Knowledge of previous happenings most of this minister do nothing, The perm Sec run the ministry while the minister does the stealing an talking

And we are supposed to take your previous knowledge above due process and the constitution right? undecided because you're who exactly?
Re: Ministers Are Very Important And Not Noisemakers: A Reply To PMB by AprokoMan: 9:08am On Sep 17, 2015
naijadeyhia:


[s]You are an unutterably contemptible ninny and a corrupt blood-freezing personification of vulgarity.[/s]

i bet you don't understand what u wrote up there coz u stole those words from the internet. keep drinking expired cow milk from the DULLARD's farm. idiot!
Re: Ministers Are Very Important And Not Noisemakers: A Reply To PMB by jaymichael(m): 9:09am On Sep 17, 2015
hinwazaka:

Go and ask the TV presenter, who seriously schooled Madam due process when she stupidly claimed she is not a politician. The level of illiteracy and ignorance in our country is appalling, and you have just shown your own stake in it. SS2 Government studies does not have a subject on our 99 constitution, don't be coy.
I base my authority on the knowledge acquired and books read on the subject matter not on some reporter who probably read mass communication. The 99 constitution still affirms the Presidential system of Government for Nigeria, that hasn't changed. the 99 constitution doesn't "confer" political powers on the ministers they are still loyal to and answerable to the President and still exercise their powers through DELEGATED LEGISLATION.
Re: Ministers Are Very Important And Not Noisemakers: A Reply To PMB by Amorl(m): 9:10am On Sep 17, 2015
wirinet:
Barcanista, you are still trying to hide your bitterness of Buhari's defeat of Jonathan by forming constructive criticism. It is not a must to criticise every statement Buhari makes. You cannot criticise someone for what he thinks. Buhari never said he will not appoint ministers, he was only sharing his thoughts , and after being in government for over two decades, including becoming a head of state, he is entitled to his own opinion.

This is what he said;


Buhari went further to explain that Ministers could be sources of distraction as a result of their dual allegiance; to their function as officials of the state and as politicians.

You should see that Buhari is making a statement on the kinds of people he would choose as ministers; technocrats who make little noise with little political allegiance.
If the president appoints the right people, I don't think there'd b any case of distraction. I guess this is where we'd have to separate politics and governance, atleast this wld give them liberty of going after the right people with or without the party.
Re: Ministers Are Very Important And Not Noisemakers: A Reply To PMB by Holak: 9:10am On Sep 17, 2015
mrvitalis:
Tonye... the fact that people actually praise ur analysis shows the level of decay in Nigerian educational system
Let me educate u a little bit
1) a minister is a mere representative of the president in that ministry
2) the president can pass his directives or give instructions based on his manifesto to any ministery WITH OR WITHOUT A MINISTER
3) ministers are only needed when the president wants to reduce the work load on him.... And if the president is not complaining..... I wonder y u should.. ....
..

The last time I checked I learnt he was Minister for Petroleum sometimes. So, he was just making noise then. I think Buhari is just a sadist. He is the only one who has the right to aspire to a position in Nigeria. Every other person who want to become something is a fraud and should be stopped.

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Re: Ministers Are Very Important And Not Noisemakers: A Reply To PMB by BraniacX(m): 9:11am On Sep 17, 2015
mrvitalis:
I hope u read my post...
If a president... Has a clear cut out policy in his mind. .... do he need a minister?
Yes ministers are important but not a most for any government to function well. ... .. There job can be neglected and still have an effective government

Define clear cut from a buhari perspective in saaaaaa........aaaaaay the economy undecided
Re: Ministers Are Very Important And Not Noisemakers: A Reply To PMB by bashydemy(m): 9:11am On Sep 17, 2015
mrvitalis:
Tonye... the fact that people actually praise ur analysis shows the level of decay in Nigerian educational system
Let me educate u a little bit
1) a minister is a mere representative of the president in that ministry
2) the president can pass his directives or give instructions based on his manifesto to any ministery WITH OR WITHOUT A MINISTER
3) ministers are only needed when the president wants to reduce the work load on him.... And if the president is not complaining..... I wonder y u should.. ....
..
God bless you my brother, I wonder why some people are crying over this ministers of a thing, They are just a representative of the President to oversee the ministry and feed the president back on how things is going on there and what needed to be done.... Permanent secretary is the mean head of each Ministry, Some minister don't even know where they have offices but Permanent secretary do.
Re: Ministers Are Very Important And Not Noisemakers: A Reply To PMB by Ghost01(m): 9:11am On Sep 17, 2015
Ministers make more noise than do anything actually. Their primary aim is to ensure that their respective ministries adhere to the policy guidelines of the government in place, and then even wednesday, they go to the FEC meeting to table their reports while the president coordinates and recommendations are made. Even the civil servants do more of actual policy formulation than the ministers, most times.

BTW, I thought this Barcanista of guy said he's quitting NL not too long ago. How come he's back so quickly? Guess some ain't relevant outside of the forum as they think they are. Soldier go, soldier come...

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Re: Ministers Are Very Important And Not Noisemakers: A Reply To PMB by margclever: 9:12am On Sep 17, 2015
mrvitalis:
Tonye... the fact that people actually praise ur analysis shows the level of decay in Nigerian educational system
Let me educate u a little bit
1) a minister is a mere representative of the president in that ministry
2) the president can pass his directives or give instructions based on his manifesto to any ministery WITH OR WITHOUT A MINISTER
3) ministers are only needed when the president wants to reduce the work load on him.... And if the president is not complaining..... I wonder y u should.. ....
..
your take on ministers show that your brain has far decayed beyound that of the president and i bet u are one of those who might claim to be a graduate, when even international economic experts have blamed the lack of a finance minister and policy direction as partly the reason for our economic downturn. Was it obj or noi that secured our debt relieve in the past? Free your soul of partisan slavery
Re: Ministers Are Very Important And Not Noisemakers: A Reply To PMB by frankyychiji(f): 9:12am On Sep 17, 2015
sammyj:
That's not gonna happen with PMB managing this country compared to the former clueless president! !!
Ok.
Re: Ministers Are Very Important And Not Noisemakers: A Reply To PMB by Nobody: 9:12am On Sep 17, 2015
BraniacX:



Idiocy is always expected from an idi0t angry


As is lunacy from a lunatic undecided

Foolishness from a fo0l

Insanity from the insane

Stupidity from the stup1d

Masturbation from a masturbator

And your trash up there from you

my suggestion is the best a friend can give. is better u commit suicide cos 4 years of heart attack is not a joke. You might not survive the second year when they start sending your people to jail.
Re: Ministers Are Very Important And Not Noisemakers: A Reply To PMB by kaboninc(m): 9:14am On Sep 17, 2015
mrvitalis:
Tonye... the fact that people actually praise ur analysis shows the level of decay in Nigerian educational system
Let me educate u a little bit
1) a minister is a mere representative of the president in that ministry
2) the president can pass his directives or give instructions based on his manifesto to any ministery WITH OR WITHOUT A MINISTER
3) ministers are only needed when the president wants to reduce the work load on him.... And if the president is not complaining..... I wonder y u should.. ....
..

With all these things you wrote, you amassed so much likes and I am wondering where our country is headed. TonyeBarcanista's analysis is more detailed than yours.

Maybe you edited/modified your post....

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Re: Ministers Are Very Important And Not Noisemakers: A Reply To PMB by MosquitoREBIRTH(m): 9:14am On Sep 17, 2015
Acidosis:
But you, the hypocritical snake served Abacha in the Petroleum Ministry.


Yes, and that's why I think he is in a better position to tell you what ministers actually are... or don't u tink so?
Re: Ministers Are Very Important And Not Noisemakers: A Reply To PMB by hinwazaka: 9:14am On Sep 17, 2015
jaymichael:
Oby Ezikwesili is CORRECT. Has she contested an election before? Do you have evidence she is a CARD CARRYING member of ANY political party?
THE TV PRESENTER IS NOT A GOVERNMENT TEACHER, I AM. I have an NCE degree In ECONOMICS and POLITICAL science. I have taught GOVERNMENT in senior secondary schools. I can say I am AN AUTHORITY in this subject matter. Take my posts, go to another Political Science professor in Nigeria to confirm it's correctness.
You have a degree in economics and government. What discipline is economics and government. Political science students only treat the science of economics in their 100 and 200 level, so I don't know who gave you your combined degree in economics and government. And since you are an authority in Economics, answer this question: What is the significance of BRETTON WOODS to the science of modern economics
Re: Ministers Are Very Important And Not Noisemakers: A Reply To PMB by BraniacX(m): 9:15am On Sep 17, 2015
naijadeyhia:
[b]Are people still taking that Booboonista seraiously? I have thrown down the gauntlet with him on wikes tribunal saga and I do same here with Buhari and his ministerial statement which to me is 100% spot on. Ministers are overhyped and merely am ambassador of the president in that ministry. However what has been d norm has been ministers taking on excess powers on themselves and joining in looting Nigeria.

Ministers are meant to make the presidency look good but selfishness has been their focus. They are noise makers... Presidential noise makers who only echo what the president says and wants.

Barcanista is just a tool. Take him serious at your own Peril.

I want to believe he just might be related to ffk or perhaps ffk was present at his naming ceremony and joined in praying for him inadvertently cursing him to be like him. There is no loyal bone in his body.

Give him an appointment now and he will sing like a bird just like ffk and he will begin singing buharis praise and kissing bottoms everywhere.

Bunch of loosers.[/b]

Yeah....... Ministers Are overhyped undecided circa buhari 1977-1979 just making noise and looting displacing $2b ehn? undecided

Talk about speaking from personal experience angry
Re: Ministers Are Very Important And Not Noisemakers: A Reply To PMB by TonyeBarcanista(m): 9:15am On Sep 17, 2015
I can relate Sir
thunder74:
In a nut shell, we should not expect minister this month again?
Buhari wants to rule Nigeria alone with his brothers who are members of his kitchen cabinet.
Assuming the constitution did not mandate the spread of ministerial posts to all the states, he would have appointed only his people since but now the constitution is forcing him to do what he does not want to do, hence the reason for all these excuses and delay.

He would have loved his Attorney General to come from the North, Finance - North, Information - North.
Hear him again
"So I think this question of ministers is political. People from different constituencies want to see their people directly in government, and see what they can get out of it.”
Re: Ministers Are Very Important And Not Noisemakers: A Reply To PMB by bashydemy(m): 9:15am On Sep 17, 2015
VickJames:
Buhari made a very stupeed statement when he said ministers are not needed. Who submits economic plans, ideas, and manage the ministries?

So, Buhari is trying to say what Adesina did in the agricultural sector was mere noise-making? Or what some Akunyili in the information ministry was mere noise-making?
Is it the ministries where we still have old men with 1970 brains that he is calling technocrats? So, they've been technocrats all these years and all the ministries are more or less dead except with the timely intervention of some ministers who gave many of their jobs to some consulting firms to save them from mass sack.

A ministry without minister is like an army without a commander. They know how to kill, but they don't know who to kill.

When I say the economy is run by someone who lacks the mental capacity to think of the box, they'll say someone is wailing.
You are still wailing boy, Where did PMB mention that Ministers are not needed? please show me abeg... What the president mean is that they just like figurehead/Representative for the president and those who know the ministry very well are the Permanent secretary and the civil servant who have been working under the ministry for decades.. If i was appointed to oversee your home/office, will know your offices more than you?
Re: Ministers Are Very Important And Not Noisemakers: A Reply To PMB by AprokoMan: 9:16am On Sep 17, 2015
PDPwayoo:


[s]my suggestion is the best a friend can give. is better u commit suicide cos 4 years of heart attack is not a joke. You might not survive the second year when they start sending your people to jail.[/s]

u are a living proof that test tube experiments can go horribly wrong! tell ur poor and useless father who couldn't afford u adequate education to commit suicide
Re: Ministers Are Very Important And Not Noisemakers: A Reply To PMB by BraniacX(m): 9:16am On Sep 17, 2015
lastpage:


Yea ...just like @Barcanista is doing right now! undecided undecided grin grin grin

e-warrior or hungry and jobless lads looking for "YAM to GOAT"! shocked shocked



Lastpage!

How about you do this

speak for yourself alone
Re: Ministers Are Very Important And Not Noisemakers: A Reply To PMB by farem: 9:17am On Sep 17, 2015
doublewisdom:
Everybody knows Buhari is an illiterate.

If buhari is the definition of an illiterate, especially from his foray into the management team of Nigeria since 70s vis-à-vis his modest achievements so far, I THINK I WILL LIKE TO BE AN ILLITERATE! This resolve becomes so pressing when I consider the last PhD president and 'achievements' right from university classes to balyesa govt house and to transformation agenda (sorry, I mean deformation agenda) recently experienced.
Re: Ministers Are Very Important And Not Noisemakers: A Reply To PMB by BraniacX(m): 9:18am On Sep 17, 2015
PDPwayoo:


my suggestion is the best a friend can give. is better u commit suicide cos 4 years of heart attack is not a joke. You might not survive the second year when they start sending your people to jail.

There are no surprises from you inasmuch as stupidity won't be a surprise coming from someone stup1d
Re: Ministers Are Very Important And Not Noisemakers: A Reply To PMB by Nobody: 9:19am On Sep 17, 2015
AprokoMan:



Education? don't go there cos i'm your superior when it has to do with education and intelligence.
Re: Ministers Are Very Important And Not Noisemakers: A Reply To PMB by cymidas(m): 9:20am On Sep 17, 2015
[quote author=mrvitalis post=38076668]Tonye... the fact that people actually praise ur analysis shows the level of decay in Nigerian educational system
Let me educate u a little bit
1) a minister is a mere representative of the president in that ministry
2) the president can pass his directives or give instructions based on his manifesto to any ministery WITH OR WITHOUT A MINISTER
3) ministers are only needed when the president wants to reduce the work load on him.... And if the president is not complaining..... I wonder y u should.. ....
..
My brother it is obvious that you are goilable , and you refuse to see how important ministers are for you call them mere minister.

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