Saraki was wrong for acting against Party Supremacy. In the United State, the vice president is the Senate president.
In Congress in United State, the party leader of the majority party automatically become the speaker. Even before the election, everybody already know who the speaker will be should democrat get majority or should republican get majority. In the united state, the president automatically become the leader of the party

In UK and Europe the party leader of the majority party automatically becomes the Prime Minister.
in china, the Communist party select the premier and other leaders.

Party supremacy is very important in democracy.

We should also remember that if a government fail or succeed, no one remember the senate president. History only remember the president.
We all hear of Clinton, George w bush etc. Who talk about the senate president?

Today in Nigeria, all we talk about is Jonathan. Nobody talk about David mike anymore. The reason in democracy all over the world, the ruling party push to have the majority in the senate and house of rep is to make it possible for the govt to succeed in its vision for the country.

Without the 44 democrat who supported Obama in the senate, the Iran Nuclear deal would have required a veto. With veto it means the next president can easily cancel the deal.

This is a fight against corruption

Big democracies obey the party, always

Abbeyme:
Big democracies obey the party, always

You are very correct

I see!!! I thought Tambuwal taught us how to go against party supremacy

chukwudi44:
I see!!! I thought Tambuwal taught us how to go against party supremacy

I know this will come up. Tambuwal disobeyed party supremacy . Yes tambuwal is guilty too. But he didn't go as far as making an opposition deputy speaker. Saraki went too far

chukwudi44:
I see!!! I thought Tambuwal taught us how to go against party supremacy

Yea. But at least he carried his opponents say Mulikat Adeola and others along. Dogara wanted to dump Gbajagbiamila and those who supported him but he later succumbed to Party' Supremacy. Saraki wants to claim to the world that he's stubborn and he must face the consequences of stubbornness!

atbu1983:


I know this will come up. Tambuwal disobeyed party supremacy . Yes tambuwal is guilty too. But he didn't go as far as making an opposition deputy speaker. Saraki went too far

Saraki did not make Ike Ekweremadu deputy Senate President, he contested and won the seat

donphilopus:


Yea. But at least he carried his opponents say Mulikat Adeola and others along. Dogara wanted to dump Gbajagbiamila and those who supported him but he later succumbed to Party' Supremacy. Saraki wants to claim to the world that he's stubborn and he must face the consequences of stubbornness!

That is it. Saraki went too far. he is the cause of his own problem. one must know when to calm down and give in. he lacks that.

donphilopus:


Yea. But at least he carried his opponents say Mulikat Adeola and others along. Dogara wanted to dump Gbajagbiamila and those who supported him but he later succumbed to Party' Supremacy. Saraki wants to claim to the world that he's stubborn and he must face the consequences of stubbornness!

Face the consequences indeed!! Nothing will happen!!!

atbu1983:


That is it. Saraki went too far. he is the cause of his own problem. one must know when to calm down and give in. he lacks that.

Saraki has no problem, you people are only making online noise.

chukwudi44:

Saraki did not make Ike Ekweremadu deputy Senate President, he contested and won the seat

What saraki did was immoral and unethical. Deliberately changing the senate rule. apart from that, doing an election when almost half of the senators were obeying party call. saraki action was disgusting.

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atbu1983:
Saraki was wrong for acting against Party Supremacy. In the United State, the vice president is the Senate president.
In Congress in United State, the party leader of the majority party automatically become the speaker. Even before the election, everybody already know who the speaker will be should democrat get majority or should republican get majority. In the united state, the president automatically become the leader of the party

In UK and Europe the party leader of the majority party automatically becomes the Prime Minister.
in china, the Communist party select the premier and other leaders.

Party supremacy is very important in democracy.

We should also remember that if a government fail or succeed, no one remember the senate president. History only remember the president.
We all hear of Clinton, George w bush etc. Who talk about the senate president?

Today in Nigeria, all we talk about is Jonathan. Nobody talk about David mike anymore. The reason in democracy all over the world, the ruling party push to have the majority in the senate and house rep is to make it possible for the govt to succeed it is vision for the country.

Without the 44 democrat who supported Obama in the senate, the Iran Nuclear deal would have required a veto. With veto it means the next president can easily cancel the deal.

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Party supremacy was not important when Saraki left PDP or when Tambuwal left abi?

When they jump from the party that got them elected to the other,did they respect party supremacy? The hunters are being hunted

Topend:
When they jump from the party that got them elected to the other,did they respect party supremacy? The hunters are being hunted

In the era of PDP it was just about getting position. Ideology didn't matter then. But for a government of change like Buhari govt, ideology is very important. that makes saraki actions very wrong. he should not have sold dep senate president to PDP. he went too far. Dogara did the same but was smart to calm down and amend his ways. for that dogara has been forgiven.

So we must also follow suit because it is obtainable in those mentioned countries, without taking our environment, idiosyncrasies and peculiarities into perspective?

No wonder a lot of policies failed in Nigeria, when they were just imported and adopted.

What worked for those countries might not work for us. We should evolve our own political system that suits us and which we have successfully tinkered with and not direct rank xeroxing.

As for me, I do not care whatever the party does to Saraki. I am more particular about a corrupt official from being our number 3.

chukwudi44:

Saraki has no problem, you people are only making online noise.

let us watch how the story ends.

Op that is what is obtainable in most develop countries, if Cameron UK prime minister fvck up (go against directives) he will be impeach is less than 24hrs, ask Tony Abbot the immediate pass prime minister of Australia, read how Margret Thatcher was ousted above all find out about game of chess. PMB is even lenient with Saraki following due process had it been is OBJ, Saraki would have gone since.
Politics is more than just a dirty game.

Mogidi:
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Party supremacy was not important when Saraki left PDP or when Tambuwal left abi?

They can leave the party and may be protected if there's nothing incriminating on them. However, if they choose to stay in the party, they should accept they fact that their actions are an affront to party politics- they should be ready to handle whatever consequence that come along with that.

alaoeri:
Op that is what is obtainable in most develop countries, if Cameron UK prime minister fvck up (go against directives) he will be impeach is less than 24hrs, ask Tony Abbot the immediate pass prime minister of Australia, read how Margret Thatcher was ousted above all find out about game of chess. PMB is even lenient with Saraki following due process had it been is OBJ, Saraki would have gone since.
Politics is more than just a dirty game.

You are so on point. Most of the people defending saraki are doing it purely out of sentiments.
They know the truth but choose to promote lies

atbu1983:


In the era of PDP it was just about getting position. Ideology didn't matter then. But for a government of change like Buhari govt, ideology is very important. that makes saraki actions very wrong. he should not have sold dep senate president to PDP. he went too far. Dogara did the same but was smart to calm down and amend his ways. for that dogara has been forgiven.

The PDP government was a government of 'no balls', hence party members acted without regards to party ideology.

Ordinarily, the members should not act in such a treacherous manner, however they do it anyway cos they know there won't be consequences as the party leaders are a joke.

chukwudi44:
I see!!! I thought Tambuwal taught us how to go against party supremacy

Don't mind them.


Karma is hunting them.

cassimere:


The PDP government was a government of 'no balls', that's why party members act without regards to the party ideology.

Ordinarily, the members should not act in such a trecherous manner, but they do it anyway cos they know there won't be consequences as the party leaders are a joke.

That is exactly it. Apart from no balls, PDP has no principle and ideology.

donphilopus:


Yea. But at least he carried his opponents say Mulikat Adeola and others along. Dogara wanted to dump Gbajagbiamila and those who supported him but he later succumbed to Party' Supremacy. Saraki wants to claim to the world that he's stubborn and he must face the consequences of stubbornness!

If I hear... saraki apc's pain in d ass

mployer:


Don't mind them.


Karma is hunting them.

In the case of Tambuwal the house was united. In saraki case, the senate is divided. that is why all he has been doing is recess. he lacks moral right to remain senate president. he has to go

atbu1983:


I know this will come up. Tambuwal disobeyed party supremacy . Yes tambuwal is guilty too. But he didn't go as far as making an opposition deputy speaker. Saraki went too far

How far is too far?

wrong is wrong. You are being played out on a game you invented

superstar1:
[s]So we must also follow suit because it is obtainable in those mentioned countries, without taking our environment, idiosyncrasies and peculiarities into perspective?

No wonder a lot of policies failed in Nigeria, when they were just imported and adopted.

What worked for those countries might not work for us. We should evolve our own political system that suits us and which we have successfully tinkered with and not direct rank xeroxing.

As for me, I do not care whatever the party does to Saraki. I am more particular about a corrupt official from being our number 3.[/s]

Did we not borrow the party system from them? The forms of government? The sysmtems of law making, execution and adjudication? We can as well go back to the village square meetings and run the government in the most crude manner cos the leaders are as crude as they come.

cassimere:


Did we not borrow the party system from them? The forms of government? The sysmtems of law making, execution and adjudication? We can as well go back to the village square meetings and run the government in the most rude manner cos the leaders are as crude as they come.

You are so on point.

atbu1983:


In the case of Tambuwal the house was united. In saraki case, the senate is divided. that is why all he has been doing is recess. he lacks moral right to remain senate president. he has to go

The senate is not divided. 80 senators has passed vote of confidence on him.

All these are unnecessary! The fact is, Saraki should go and defend himself in court! Party supremacy my ass!

atbu1983:


I know this will come up. Tambuwal disobeyed party supremacy . Yes tambuwal is guilty too. But he didn't go as far as making an opposition deputy speaker. Saraki went too far

you are still learning politics.

npdp had an agreement before they joined APC

Obj was given ministerial slots
Ameachi Vp slot, may end up a minister or ambassador
Kwakwanso - ministerial slot
Tambuwal - Governorship


Tell your party to learn how to keep aggreement else it will destroy the party, Tinubu can not be detecting everything in Nigeria, he is already moving to install his people in every state turning himself to what ever, it will destroy the party.

NgeneUkwenu:
All these are unnecessary! The fact is, Saraki should go and defend himself in court! Party supremacy my ass!

Go and drag him to court yourself.


People substituting Tinubu supremacy for part supremacy.

The legion of sycophants prostrating to Tinubu everyday in SW is affecting his thinking


The senators know better.