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Re: PDP 2019 Zoning: A Good Step In The Right Direction by TonyeBarcanista(m): 11:36am On Oct 01, 2015 |
maestroferddi: TonyeBarcanista:In addition to the above, bring on your Atiku and we shall present our Ribadu. We shall meet at the primaries! Let me assure you once again that Atiku will NEVER be president of Nigeria. In fact, I will instead vigorously campaign for the return of Buhari/Osinbajo should PDP make the mistake of fielding him. However, as a stakeholder in PDP I am very sure that Atiku will be given a total knock-out in the primaries should he decide to test his might. As for Ribadu's loss to Bindow, that was largely due to PDP crises in Adamawa state. Even the Gov'nor didn't support Ribadu because it was heavily factionalised. It is no fault of Ribadu. The situation is different now! Abeg I don tire for Atiku talk! 1 Like |
Re: PDP 2019 Zoning: A Good Step In The Right Direction by TonyeBarcanista(m): 11:39am On Oct 01, 2015 |
modath:U better wake-up! |
Re: PDP 2019 Zoning: A Good Step In The Right Direction by maestroferddi: 11:48am On Oct 01, 2015 |
TonyeBarcanista:Poor decision making has dogged Atiku's political fortunes since 2007. If he makes a switch back to the PDP timely enough, he wouldn't suffer the same fate that bedevilled him in the past. There was no how he could have done well as he was making switches to parties less than one year from elections. He lost to Jonathan in 2011 because that was when Obasanjo political influence was at its crescendo. That is no longer the case. He lost on the APC arrangement this year because he re-joined APC rather late. Even a blind man knows that the primary would precipitate to Tinubu's whims and caprices as soon as it was shifted from Abuja to Lagos, which to all intents and purposes, is Tinubu's backyard. If Atiku uses his head timeously, he, without doubt, stands a very bright chance. 1 Like |
Re: PDP 2019 Zoning: A Good Step In The Right Direction by mrmetoo1: 11:52am On Oct 01, 2015 |
Ermm PDP errand boys, sorry to break it to you but forget about 2019, best you focus on 2023 if your party survives till then. Go and ask your masters, they'll tell you the same 7 Likes 1 Share |
Re: PDP 2019 Zoning: A Good Step In The Right Direction by fulanimafia: 1:35pm On Oct 01, 2015 |
OfoIgbo: Exactly, which is why alliances, which you lack, are necessary in Nigerian politics. Instead you're busy creating new enemies and fighting the North and SW. The SW can always count on the 3 other geo political zones in the North while you can only count on one in the south, that's why they will always be ahead of the SE. 3 Likes |
Re: PDP 2019 Zoning: A Good Step In The Right Direction by maestroferddi: 2:50pm On Oct 01, 2015 |
fulanimafia:You are obviously deluded. You ought to have enquired from older people the role the East has played for socio-political cohesion of Nigeria. The East supported the North both in the First and Second republics without having anything tangible and fundamental to show for it. Which part of Nigeria would be willing to demonstrate the forbearance of the Igbos who despite her educational advantage in the First republic was willing to play a secondary role in the power equation? Why do you hypocrites vilify the Igbos who have proved to be the adhesive resin that binds the nation together. The absence of ultimate political power in the north for less than a decade spawned Boko Haram insurgency. Can you fathom what would have happened to our national unity if the north has denied the exercise of ultimate political power bar six months since independence? Or do you people think that a gun will not fire in our hands? 1 Like |
Re: PDP 2019 Zoning: A Good Step In The Right Direction by fulanimafia: 5:31pm On Oct 01, 2015 |
How does this piece of crap relate to my post you quoted? We're talking 2019 you're talking first republic. maestroferddi: 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: PDP 2019 Zoning: A Good Step In The Right Direction by maestroferddi: 6:20pm On Oct 01, 2015 |
fulanimafia:You are not holding me culpable for your almost nonexistent ability to engage in critical thinking, are you? Maybe I may have to drum into your thick skull what the Igbos were doing when they voted overwhelmingly for Obasanjo in 1999 and 2003, Yar' Adua in 2007 or even Jonathan in 2011 and 2015... |
Re: PDP 2019 Zoning: A Good Step In The Right Direction by fulanimafia: 6:32pm On Oct 01, 2015 |
maestroferddi: Stop pretending to be irretrievably daft. What have the Igbos been doing since PMB's candidacy and post Jonathan's defeat apart from constituting a national nuisance with shameless support for corruption, irrational wailing and insulting the Yorubas/Hausas. We're not talking about the past but your present quagmire. 9 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: PDP 2019 Zoning: A Good Step In The Right Direction by maestroferddi: 6:54pm On Oct 01, 2015 |
fulanimafia:You are constituting yourself into a waste of saliva. The Igbos are, at least, not inciting some undesirable elements to engage in satanic bloodletting in the name of insurgency. The Igbos have had a working relationship with the north since independence. We shall not kowtow before a divisive figure like Buhari who by his conduct and utterances does not have respect for Igbo interests. It remains to be seen, however, how far he can go should he refuse to effect a quick about-turn. You need to quit lying to yourself and admit that the complaints and displeasure of the Igbos have substantial merit. The Igbos are traditionally republican and therefore would not bow to tin gods no matter their hue. If Buhari as the national leader expects the Igbo nation to come cap in hand asking for his favours, he would be waiting forever. We know what is due us. We shall get it. We are begging no-one for our entitlement. It is only a matter of time. 1 Like |
Re: PDP 2019 Zoning: A Good Step In The Right Direction by fulanimafia: 6:17am On Oct 02, 2015 |
Exactly the source of your travails; you keep letting hubris take the place of strategic thinking which is vital for political survival. Ever heard of stooping to conquer? Your empty pride has always been your Achilles heel and it always works in the favour of your opponents because just as the universal principle states; pride always goes before a fall. As we speak, easterners are going to swallow their vomit by campaigning for a 'kunu sipping' northerner for the PDP in order to get the VP slot in 2019 after all the insults and despite their hatred for the North and sacrifices for the party. You will not bow to tin gods but you're busy seriously making permutations between two Fulani's (Atiku/Ribadu) for Presidency at the expense of an Igbo man because the PDP said so. Keep posing while the nation laughs at your folly . maestroferddi: 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: PDP 2019 Zoning: A Good Step In The Right Direction by dinachi(m): 7:26am On Oct 02, 2015 |
Barcanista the clown! Buhahahahaahaha! My greatest joy and cause for rejoicing is knowing that any side you support always fails woefully! My guy, you no get luck for political permutations at all, why not try trading? 5 Likes |
Re: PDP 2019 Zoning: A Good Step In The Right Direction by Biodup: 7:52am On Oct 02, 2015 |
genearts:national politics is difference, a good case study was d case of fayose in ekiti. He contested senatorial seat in 2011 and lost in dat same state he later won everything for his party. To be realistic pdp has eldge in 2015 cos they have ss se and part of sw and nc. Fielding a ne candidate in 2015 will guaranteed success. For d record gej loss cos he was not northerner. |
Re: PDP 2019 Zoning: A Good Step In The Right Direction by profinaya: 8:14am On Oct 02, 2015 |
@ barcanista, ur analysis is perfect. Pdp is coming back in 2019, what pdp needs to do is to retain ondo, ekiti and get osun which is very sure in 2018. It is only apc masturbators that won't acknowledge that pmb popularity is seriously eroding. SESS is seriously locked down, it will be difficult to get north east but I believe north central will be easier, eligible voters migration due to fear of reprisal after election that favoured apc in the last election won't play out in 2019, this will be in favour of pdp as I and my were unable to exercise our franchise because of the threat of violence. Let's wait and see |
Re: PDP 2019 Zoning: A Good Step In The Right Direction by maestroferddi: 8:52am On Oct 02, 2015 |
fulanimafia:Am I having this interchange with an adult with functional faculties or with an impressionable juvenile? If you know anything about politics, you would have seen the practicality and expediency of PDP's action instead of viewing same from primordial prisms. Buhari, a northerner is in power so it would be injudicious for the Igbos to be going against a popular political convention in Nigeria which allows a geopolitical a two-term shot at the presidency. The decision of the PDP, therefore, has nothing to do with the Igbos being schemed out of the equation. The decision is purely a sound political one just as the creator of this thread was trying to point out. Every discerning Igboman knows that the political dynamics of Nigeria run along the north-south configuration. This noise you are making here would have some merit if the Igbos do not get the presidency after the north has had her two-term stint. We know how Nigeria works. When it was time for the presidency to be moved to the South-West, all the power-brokers conceded the position to the zone by ensuring that the flagbearers of the two leading political parties came from the zone. We had Obasanjo and Olu Falae in 1999. Suffices to say that we shall get the presidency at the auspicious time or else Nigeria would be too hot for all of us to reside in. It is your business if you chose to view as pride my attempt to correct some historical inaccuracies people like you spread about the Igbos. We are not going to allow people twist history just because we are seeking their approval and acceptance. If an Igboman's decision to affirm his identity and press home his inalienable rights are being seen as pride, so be it. 1 Like |
Re: PDP 2019 Zoning: A Good Step In The Right Direction by OfoIgbo: 9:09am On Oct 02, 2015 |
fulanimafia: Which is why I mentioned that PDP will field a northerner whenever APC fields a southwesterner. Let us then see how the three northern zones will vote in a Yoruba over their own son This is a game of political chess. Let us see how Yorubas will benefit from their betrayal of a SS president |
Re: PDP 2019 Zoning: A Good Step In The Right Direction by 7lives: 9:22am On Oct 02, 2015 |
dulaman: The only issue i have with these people is their lack of principle, can you imagine them accusing SW of supporting Buhari, calling the north almajiri and all kinds of terrible names only for them to now begin to say another thing. But you know what, let them support a northern candidate they might eventually get their heart desire, i guess they are seeing the light that life is about give and take, life is about brain not brawn . 6 Likes |
Re: PDP 2019 Zoning: A Good Step In The Right Direction by jaymichael(m): 9:37am On Oct 02, 2015 |
babyfaceafrica:Just like in 2011? what did the SW get in return for? insults and derision from mostly the seasterners as if they own the presidency when even the president is not even from the SE. In politics though power is the ultimate end, power in itself is not an ends, it's a means. |
Re: PDP 2019 Zoning: A Good Step In The Right Direction by fulanimafia: 9:38am On Oct 02, 2015 |
You can only keep deceiving yourself and no one else, because you clearly lack the capacity. All of a sudden you are willing to respect the zoning agreement after scuttling it with Jonathan's candidacy in 2011 and 2015? You must think you're dealing with an amnesia stricken nymph like yourself. You clearly have no choice but to campaign for another northerner because you have foolishly destroyed your party APGA (in favour of northern born and rooted PDP) which would have allowed an Igbo candidate. You claim things will be too hot if there's no Igbo president but that's the most shameless, cowardly and baseless statement I've read today considering the fact that you have failed to produce one in 55 years but are still arguing in 2015, between Ribadu and Atiku, who to chart your future from 2019. Yet you claim you have a choice. Pathetic. maestroferddi: 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: PDP 2019 Zoning: A Good Step In The Right Direction by dulaman: 9:41am On Oct 02, 2015 |
7lives: I tire for them.they call the SW betrayers,slaves so they want to be slave to the north now. The only person that can attempt(mark d word ATTEMPT) to beat buhari in north is Ibrahim Shekarau but he also rely on buhari popularity to unseat kwankwaso in 2003. 3 Likes |
Re: PDP 2019 Zoning: A Good Step In The Right Direction by fulanimafia: 9:48am On Oct 02, 2015 |
OfoIgbo: Last time I checked they have the VP, Majority Leader, IGP, FIRS, Service Chief while those that didn't 'betray' have none. Not a bad investment at all. 2 Likes |
Re: PDP 2019 Zoning: A Good Step In The Right Direction by maestroferddi: 10:11am On Oct 02, 2015 |
fulanimafia:I would rather you stick to what you know and desist from further embarrassing yourself with blatant vacuity. I hope your village head or indeed the few knowledge people within your vicinity can tell you that the G34 that metamorphosed into PDP had Dr Alex Ekwueme and other Igbo statesmen among its most prominent leaders. Thankfully you are a nonentity and therefore have zero bearing on the political trajectory of Nigeria. We are building strong democratic institutions that would make it improbable nay impossible for the kind of rapacious, kleptomanic, obnoxious northern domination of the past. Every part of Nigeria has now risen up. It is no longer the Igbos alone as even sections of the country like the north central are keen to chart a clear-cut political future and not remain subsumed by the irredentist Hausa-Fulani establishment. Buhari is just one of the presidents of Nigeria. Nigeria would subsist irrespective of how he chooses to run his presidency. Time hardly runs against perseverance and determination. |
Re: PDP 2019 Zoning: A Good Step In The Right Direction by M16: 10:13am On Oct 02, 2015 |
TonyeBarcanista: APC fans are just enjoying the comedy show. PDP 2019. LWKMD. Ribadu did not win his ward in the last election and wouldn't have gotten the ticket if not given to him by PDP. Your plitical naivety drips all over. You don't have a clue about politics Nigeria. We still remember all your permutations and maps for GEJ 2019. How wiser have you become in 4 months. Once a mumu always one 3 Likes |
Re: PDP 2019 Zoning: A Good Step In The Right Direction by M16: 10:17am On Oct 02, 2015 |
jabbok: Buhari+ Tinubu= 2019 President. God willing 1 Like |
Re: PDP 2019 Zoning: A Good Step In The Right Direction by M16: 10:18am On Oct 02, 2015 |
WhiteTechnology: IF PDP exists as a party 1 Like |
Re: PDP 2019 Zoning: A Good Step In The Right Direction by fulanimafia: 10:56am On Oct 02, 2015 |
I'm glad your only disagreement with the shiny FACT that you are stuck with campaigning for a northerner despite your pre and post election antics and morbid hatred for the North, is hinged on who or who did not start the PDP, after foolishly destroying APGA because of an Ijaw man. Endless posturing will not change your helpless situation, it is unfortunate that your poor myopic decisions has rendered you completely irrelevant, inconsequential, immaterial and expendable in our national affairs so your rant about building institutions is total hogwash as you must participate first to effect change. Enjoy the humble pie the PDP is baking for you. How pathetic. maestroferddi: 2 Likes |
Re: PDP 2019 Zoning: A Good Step In The Right Direction by maestroferddi: 11:27am On Oct 02, 2015 |
fulanimafia:Why am I even taking you seriously? When lies, subterfuge, shenanigans and malevolence are features that define people like you. We really don't blame you people. Is it not common to see backward people bedevilled by poverty, squalor, under-development and general obscurity cast cheap aspersions on the Igbos? Can you tell me the consequence of your exercise of political power since 1960? Did all the looting and graft make any part of your locality better developed than Igboland? How irresponsible can you be?! Are you now advocating for APGA? What about the fact whatever the Igbos do, shameless and unconscionable people will still find a way to denigrate them? If the Igbos were massively camped in APGA, jokes like you would have pooh-poohed the idea as impracticable and blamed the Igbos for being short-sighted in remaining in a sectional/regional party. We are not hearing clowns like you criticise the Yorubas for abandoning the AD for AC/ACN/APC or the Hausas for not choosing PDM but joining PDP which before Buhari's victory was being branded by most northern zealots as a christian party. Mr Man, just get out! |
Re: PDP 2019 Zoning: A Good Step In The Right Direction by fulanimafia: 11:35am On Oct 02, 2015 |
I understand your frustration, as I've said earlier, humble introspection is your only way out and not endless posturing. maestroferddi: 3 Likes |
Re: PDP 2019 Zoning: A Good Step In The Right Direction by TonyeBarcanista(m): 11:43am On Oct 02, 2015 |
Permit me to educate you sir on politics. That a man lost previous election does not necessarily mean he's irrelevant. The factors that led to his loss sho be well appreciated before forming opinion. In 2003 GMB had 12million votes against Obasanjo. In 2007 he had 7 million votes against Yar'adua and even lost in Katsina state. In 2011 he lost Adamawa state to Jonathan, a state that he won in 2007. But in 2015 he won Adamawa and Katsina but lost Gombe state. What was responsible for this trend? And what kept his hope alive? He never lost Katsina in 2007 because Katsina people didn't like him, he lost because he was up against a very strong PDP and Yar'adua in 2007. He never lost Adamawa in 2011 because they didn't like him, he lost because Adamawa PDP then were united for GEJ and their house was in order. In 2011 Ayo Fayose was defeated under LP in Senatorial election. Does that mean his district never liked him? He only lost because he was up against a united ACN and a not too popular LP. In 2014 he was elected Governor in an historic 16-0 against an incumbent. Why? The PDP were united in their support while the APc was split to APC and LP! What kept him going? His likability. Ribadu lost Adamawa state because PDP was heavily split into nPDP (that moved to APC), PDM and PDP. Even the leftover of PDP had crises as Bala Ngilari never supported Ribadu's emergence because of he wasn't carried along. The PDP National Chairman then also never managed it well. There was a lot of protest vote against Nuhu Ribadu. It in no way mean that Ribadu was irrelevant. His likability and credibility will work for him. All he need is a very strong PDP structure. Let me also remind you that Ajimobi, Oyo state Governor had lost 2007 Governorship election before he was elected by the same people in 2011 and 2015. Same with Amosun. I hope you have learnt M16:Cc: WhiteTechnology |
Re: PDP 2019 Zoning: A Good Step In The Right Direction by TonyeBarcanista(m): 12:01pm On Oct 02, 2015 |
profinaya:PDP may not sweep North-East, but once we can retain Taraba, Gombe and get Adamawa state we are good to go. In the North Central, we are at pole position to reclaim the states of Kogi, Plateau and Benue. We all know that APC has been decimated in Kwara state because of the faction(Saraki n BAT). Nasarawa state also appears good! The only state that might be difficult is Niger. In the South West, we only need to retain Ekiti and Ondo states, while grabbing Osun state. Our 40% visibility in Lagos is a plus if it can be retained. With all these + the 11 states of the SESS, APC and Buhari is bound to suffer their worst defeat ever. We must present candidate that can match Buhari credibility for credibility, and who has sterling antecedent. Ribadu is d man! |
Re: PDP 2019 Zoning: A Good Step In The Right Direction by obailala(m): 12:18pm On Oct 02, 2015 |
TonyeBarcanista:Well, I agree with some of your postulates, I think Ribadu or Dankwambo are good candidates from the NE, and a SE VP would be in order. But unfortunately, I dont see the PDP taking power from the APC in 2019 (except PMB doesn't re-contest and APC fields a clown). Another problem also would be PMB stepping down and handing over to another northerner, and you really think the SE/SS would agree to such an arrangement all because it's PDP?.... With the present regional divide in Nigeria today, I personally don't see the SE/SE voting for a northerner. |
Re: PDP 2019 Zoning: A Good Step In The Right Direction by TonyeBarcanista(m): 12:36pm On Oct 02, 2015 |
obailala:The Sai Buhari thingy is more prominent in NW states. It has never really been so in the North Eastern states except 2015 with exception of Borno and Bauchi. Adamawa state has been flinging between Buhari and PDP candidate since 2003(Obj won it in 2003, Buhari won it in 2007, GEJ won it in 2011 and Buhari reclaimed it in 2015). Buhari has always been winning Yobe state except 2015. Taraba has been PDP since I can remember. Gombe was won by Buhari in 2011 but GEJ reclaimed it in 2015. You see that PDP have foot in the NE whether or not Buhari run. I want Buhari to run in 2019, I'm sure PDP will decimate him with a candidate of credibility. As for the Igbos, they have no issue with being VP to the North because PDP has this North-South arrangement of 8years. After the North exhaust the 2tickets of PDP it will naturally move to the south. The SS has had the ticket twice, same with the SW. Tthe SE will naturally inherit the ticket if the PDP. We shall educate some of them that don't knw what is at stake. PDP is the only party that provide opportunity to all nigerians to rise. |
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