Aareonakakanfo:
The fact that players like boateng are the ones we now have to praise shows something is wrong somewhere? Even all these pique nonsense gan, na condition cause am. Once upon a time when we use to have players like puyol,terry,nesta,zanetti,stam,zambrotta,maldini,cafu. These days na dem boateng and pique we gats manage smh. Boateng will probably be playing for QPR in these guys era

SIRcumalot:


Terry gets the credit because he was the leader of that defence besides, Cech made the team.
Makelele has always done a thankless job anyway.

I thought sergio busquets was responsible for the barca playing style ? or you barca admirers just change the players to suit yourselves.

Like fabregas,yaya,sanchez,thiago and ibra.

I don't undervalue pique I sees his strength(as I mentioned earlier) it is you and the barca fans on this thread that are either blind to his weakness ,or choose to ignore them because why ? it fits barca style.
Blind isn't good enough as a CB but if he fits into whatever LVG is planning he'll look just as good as pique.

Debroslink:


Pique has always be exposed to counter attack style of football, and he has excelled there. For the past 6 years, he has consistently been putting in excellent performances.

airmark:

Is it only PFA award you saw in the list of awards he won in that season? Let me embolden the list and try harder to defend your crap.
chelsea player of the year award
PFA player of the year
FIFA Player of the year Silver Award
Ballon d'Or Silver Award
FWA Footballer of the Year
PFA Fans' Player of the Year
Premier League Player of the Season
England Player of the Year Award
Best player of Carling Cup
Lampard was in
PFA Team of the Year
FIFPro World XI
He was premier league leader in assists

SIRcumalot:

Terry gets the credit because he was the leader of that defence besides, Cech made the team. Makelele has always done a thankless job anyway.

I thought sergio busquets was responsible for the barca playing style ? or you barca admirers just change the players to suit yourselves.

Like fabregas,yaya,sanchez,thiago and ibra.
I don't undervalue pique I sees his strength(as I mentioned earlier) it is you and the barca fans on this thread that are either blind to his weakness ,or choose to ignore them because why ? it fits barca style.

Blind isn't good enough as a CB but if he fits into whatever LVG is planning he'll look just as good as pique.

raumdeuter:


Of all these you mentioned Cafu, Zanetti and Zambrotta were not central defenders

Puyol, Nesta, Maldini, STam were good to great in their time

But at no point in time was Terry better than an average defender.

BTW Pique and Boateng can only play in the era they find themselves. If those players played in a different time, they would also struggle.

I know some like to fantasy and overrate the past but Was it not in those their time Owen won Balon D or? If Rivaldo, Owen, Figo, Nedved played these days they would never smell Ballon D or not even top 3

airmark:


I hope you know what this move led to? Not forgetting how pique was swimming on the grass when he handled him in portugal vs spain match few years ago. Though i rate him higher than boatank, he is not better than otamendi.

coogar:


so why did jose mourinho declare makelele as the player of the season in 04/05 after hearing lampard was chosen ahead of claude?

airmark:


I hope you know what this move led to? Not forgetting how pique was swimming on the grass when he handled him in portugal vs spain match few years ago. Though i rate him higher than boatank, he is not better than otamendi.

barackohandso:

That move was made and scored by CR7, a very fast and skillful player. What did you expect pique to do, pull him down and get a red? Barca were even a man down in that match and you want an experienced defender like pique to do something silly? Even at that pique eventually covered the left side of the post and the goal went in through a deflection from valdes

raumdeuter:


WHats the big deal with Ronaldo or Messi dribbling a defender? These are the best players of their generation. Its not like Andre Ayew iping the floor with Terry

airmark:


I hope you know what this move led to? Not forgetting how pique was swimming on the grass when he handled him in portugal vs spain match few years ago. Though i rate him higher than boatank, he is not better than otamendi.

raumdeuter:


Which players doesnt have a weakness? even Ronaldo Lima and Messi have weaknesses

The pillar of the Barca system are Pique and Busquet who make the high line work in the first place. The success of the Barca system is the ability to play a high line, recycle possesion and squeeze the opponent into a small space.

Do you think its every defender that would succeed at that? Terry tried it and failed monumentally under AVB.

ANd contrary to opinion its a bunker system the type Chelsea plays that covers defenders asses and make them look better than they are because they hardly get caught 1 vs 1 with a striker unlike a high line where you have 40yards of free space behind you to cover in a foot race with a striker

raumdeuter:


Of all these you mentioned Cafu, Zanetti and Zambrotta were not central defenders

Puyol, Nesta, Maldini, STam were good to great in their time

But at no point in time was Terry better than an average defender.

BTW Pique and Boateng can only play in the era they find themselves. If those players played in a different time, they would also struggle.

I know some like to fantasy and overrate the past but Was it not in those their time Owen won Balon D or? If Rivaldo, Owen, Figo, Nedved played these days they would never smell Ballon D or not even top 3

I wasn't specific when i mentioned those names, It was general. Back to your comment, how on earth would you say at no point in time was terry better than an average defender?haba! Besides maldini,cafu, nesta and arguably zanetti, I can match up terry with every other defender i mentioned. From 03-06, terry was unrivalled in the Epl and in world football once you mention nesta and puyol, the next name that comes up is terry. You think say na beans to enter UEFA team of the year 4 times? Abeg comparing boateng and all other mickey mouse defenders to terry is belittling.In the past 15 years, can you name 10 centrebacks better than terry?

AdeLaNa1:
Lool! Pictorial evidence yapa on how Pique has been continually disgraced by strikers. Most especially C.Ro!

Pique?? Top 3?? Thats d day Arsenal ll win UCL....

airmark:


Your falsehood has taken a higher dimension. I challenge you to show me where mou said lampard did nt deserve it? I watched football long before you could identify a TV in kiddies' book. Immediately i saw in your blabbing that lamps was nt near best player that year, i was just laughing. I only needed wikipedia to buttress my point, in case you wanted to shift post as you always do. I am not here to fight you, but next time dont post rubbish here, prying eyes will see and call your bluff. You are not in confinement of your room where you can easily say Pep guardiola was c ronaldo's coach at real madrid and your wife will give you a peck in the neck.

airmark:


That's what aareonakakanfo was talking about. We hail mumu performances by our defenders now. Dearth of great defenders has affected our opinions. Gone were the days. However, I still rate sergio ramos as the only defender that could meet the level of cannavaro, terry, stam, maldini of the past.

Aareonakakanfo:



I wasn't specific when i mentioned those names, It was general. Back to your comment, how on earth would you say at no point in time was terry better than an average defender?haba! Besides maldini,cafu, nesta and arguably zanetti, I can match up terry with every other defender i mentioned. From 03-06, terry was unrivalled in the Epl and in world football once you mention nesta and puyol, the next name that comes up is terry. You think say na beans to enter UEFA team of the year 4 times? Abeg comparing boateng and all other mickey mouse defenders to terry is belittling.In the past 15 years, can you name 10 centrebacks better than terry?

barackohandso:



Dearth of great defenders? That's laughable. I guess Messi and CR7 winning the ballon D'or over the last 7 years shows dearth of great attackers too with your logic. Will a player now choose the era he plays in ?

Rather than say we hail mumu performances by defenders, I'd go with praising the great attackers of this era. All the defenders you put up there have all had one or more embarrassing moments in their playing days. Tell me which defender, past or present who'll stop that counter move from CR7

airmark:


Your falsehood has taken a higher dimension. I challenge you to show me where mou said lampard did nt deserve it? I watched football long before you could identify a TV in kiddies' book. Immediately i saw in your blabbing that lamps was nt near best player that year, i was just laughing. I only needed wikipedia to buttress my point, in case you wanted to shift post as you always do. I am not here to fight you, but next time dont post rubbish here, prying eyes will see and call your bluff. You are not in confinement of your room where you can easily say Pep guardiola was c ronaldo's coach at real madrid and your wife will give you a peck in the neck.

coogar:


you are a laboratory rëtard.....
if mou declares makelele chelsea's player of the season after PFA awards, does that not tell you that lampard didn't deserve the award?
.

barackohandso:

Dearth of great defenders? That's laughable. I guess Messi and CR7 winning the ballon D'or over the last 7 years shows dearth of great attackers too with your logic. Will a player now choose the era he plays in ?
Rather than say we hail mumu performances by defenders, I'd go with praising the great attackers of this era. All the defenders you put up there have all had one or more embarrassing moments in their playing days. Tell me which defender, past or present who'll stop that counter move from CR7

raumdeuter:


In the past 15 yrs mean from 2000

Nesta, Maldini Canavaro, Chiellini, Boateng, Hummels, Carvalho, Pepe, Ramos, Pique, Godin, Vidic, Thiago Silva, Ayala, Stam.

Thats 15 already all country miles better than Terry If you need another 15 I can give you sharply

So the emboldened names are better than terry? e don do abeg

Aareonakakanfo:



So the emboldened names are better than terry? e don do abeg

coogar:
this airmark is a lunatic sha....
he's testing my eidetic memory and he's even failing at it.....

Aareonakakanfo:


Yes dearth of great defenders. Messi and ronaldo wouldn't have had as much fun as this in the late 90s and early 2000s.will pique have made Acmilan's team B during maldini and nesta's time? please i need answers

Aareonakakanfo:



So the emboldened names are better than terry? e don do abeg

Nihilist:


Bwahahaha

I don't know how somebody can claim that there was no standout player in 04/05 or that Makalele was better than Lampard...

I'm not even going to go into this argument because a lot of lies have been bandied about.

Half the game, you cannot see defensive actions on TV because the camera follows the ball. You can't see Busquets positioning off the ball. So when Coogar is talking about 'the flow of the game' I know he's just chatting nonsense again. TV Camera can NEVER show you the flow of the game.

I agree that Boateng is one of the top CBs in the game today. But e no reach Ramos. Pique's name should not even be mentioned as a top defender...for one, he doesn't actually defend.

Barca averaged 67% Possesion per game last season. What defending is Pique doing when his teammates have the ball for a full 60 minutes each game?

SIRcumalot:

So terry is to blame for AVB failures or no be the same guy bench drogba and lampard.
Pique is a unique defender and he has made the best out of a good situation
I'll give him that but will he flourish outside the tiki taka ?
How much of history would've change if pique never left Man utd ? he probably won't be this well known but barca will still dominate.
At the end, everything boils down to choice.
If you prefer a defender that can pass the ball rather than keep it out of the net then pique is your man.
Me,I wear my JT otondo badge with pride

airmark:


It's not a joking matter, the way all these nincompoops rate any defender that looks like electric pole and good in spraying passes with average defensive skills is very annoying. Very unfortunate.

Nihilist:


Same Jose that said he would win UCL with 11 Azpilicuetas? Or the one that said Ivanovic is his right back last week? Or maybe it's the one that said that Falcao is still a top player just that the fans can't see...

Negro please...you need to learn to differentiate fact from fiction when Jose is talking...

raumdeuter:


Terry's lack of pace and ability to anticipate passes were what made the pattern fail. ANy one can defend when you play bunker ball even a washed up Lucio, Samuel, Chivu looked like the great wall of China when they had to bunker

I have seen even Mertersacker look like Maldini when playing a deep defence

There is a reason John terry's teams win trophies when he is missing

Aareonakakanfo:


Yes dearth of great defenders. Messi and ronaldo wouldn't have had as much fun as this in the late 90s and early 2000s.will pique have made Acmilan's team B during maldini and nesta's time? please i need answers

barackohandso:


Stop all these unnecessary hype you give the past. Each era has its positives and negatives, you make it sound like you're the only one who watched football back then. Messi and ronaldo will thrive in any era as long as they play as they've been playing over the last 7 years, yes they're that good. You can go back and forth and deduce that zidane, figo, ronaldinho et al wouldn't have won the ballon d'or if they had played in this era. Change is permanent. Live with it