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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 9:16pm On Oct 10, 2015 |
Nihilist: WHat back to back greatness in Europe did Terry achieve post AVB? Chelsea won everyone they won in Europe without Terry. He was even a cog in their wheel until God sent him out of the team |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 9:17pm On Oct 10, 2015 |
raumdeuter: So because bierhoff and hubner were having fun scoring against otondo clubs means that era was weak defense-wise? Does di natale scoring goals for fun against clubs like brescia make him a great player? Any serie A fan knows you don't have to be genius to win the serie A top scorer.Ronaldo played in the serie A for 5 years yet he never won it so you can't use that to judge.or does hubner scoring more than ronaldo make him better? when those players square up against top clubs, they melt. You won't meet maldini,nesta,zanetti in every match. 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 9:18pm On Oct 10, 2015 |
raumdeuter: I have nothing to say about this, its just funny 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 9:20pm On Oct 10, 2015 |
barackohandso: Fortunately some of us watched all these players in their prime in that past and I can tell you they were all myths. Most of them are not as good as romanticized to be. That was how someone was trying to tell me Frank Lebouef was a good defender Michael freaking Owen won Ballon D or. In the past 10yrs he wont make top 10 in any year. Players inferior to Messi were embarrassing Nesta and Maldini all over the place at their so called prime |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 9:22pm On Oct 10, 2015 |
raumdeuter: You need to lodge a petition with UEFA to withdraw Terry's UCL and Europa League medals... In the time since AVB was unceremoniously dismissed from CFC, John Terry has gone on to achieve more honours than that flop of a coach... Next point please... 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 9:22pm On Oct 10, 2015 |
barackohandso: I'm not giving the past unneccessary hype but the truth is you can't compare the defenders of this era to the ones we had back then. Its like boxing and how did i make it sound like i was the only one who watched football back then. una sef. yes they will thrive but they wouldn't have as much fun as this.Even an old nesta gave messi a run for his money so what are you saying? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 9:24pm On Oct 10, 2015 |
Nihilist: i also believe jose would win UCL with 11 azpili. he's your best defender....too bad he's not a CB. he's the only player you cannot beat in the premier league - he's 2 footed, defends excellently and attacks tenaciously. however, that's not why we are here..... we are here cos makelele was the outstanding player in 04/05 in the prem league. the only reason he was shunned at the PFA awards is because he's not english.... which yeye lampard? lampard was so good but it was makelele that had a role named after him? are you silly? you guys should be ashamed of yourselves that a united fan is schooling you tools about your club's own history....
we only hear of the makelele role.....where's the lampard role? maybe mou was also fibbing when he said this in his book about claude....
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 9:25pm On Oct 10, 2015 |
Aareonakakanfo: That era wasnt any better than this. I am sure in another 15yrs the kids of then would be saying Terry, Cahill and Titus Bramble were defensive legends Ronaldo didnt win top scorer because he was injured for most of his stay there beyong the 1998 debut season where he was second behind Bierhoff I have seen Ordinary Vicenzo Montella use Nesta to wipe the floor and score 4 goals in one game. So if Montella can do that why wont Messi do triple |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 9:27pm On Oct 10, 2015 |
Nihilist: Terry won just like Mikel Bertrand and anyone in Chelsea then. Actually Mikel and Bertrand had more impact of Chelsea winning than Terry at least they were on the field where the game was going on vs Terry who was in the stands in the key games that won CHelsea the title EVen Chelsea 3rd keeper got a medal just like terry |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 9:30pm On Oct 10, 2015 |
coogar: How about the fact that he finished as the 1st runner up to Dinho when he won the Balon D'or that year... I'm sure that was Also because he was British. 2 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 9:32pm On Oct 10, 2015 |
raumdeuter: You're absolutely right...this further proves the point that AVB was a dud, and his failure had nothing to do with JT Next point please... 2 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 9:33pm On Oct 10, 2015 |
Aareonakakanfo: The defenders of now I can say are even better because the laws are now against them compared to those days In those days you can tackle from behind. Montero made a career of hacking attackers illegally nowdays his football license would have been suspended. Now Pique Boateng and Ramos have to avoid tackle from behind In those days back passes were legal. When Baresi or COstacurta was closed down, he would pass back to Rossi who would catch it and sleep on the ball. Nowadays Boateng or Pique cant do that. They must find a way to get rid of the ball In those days offside rule werent as stringent. Now every benefit of doubt goes to the attacker in tight situations. Bring all those defenders to come and play now even at their peak and you would see they cant cope. those days defenders are some of the slowest people on the field, Now you cant play defence if you cant run unless you would be a joke like Terry |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 9:34pm On Oct 10, 2015 |
Nihilist: The other coaches too won only when they left Terry out of the lineup which shows terry is the major problem |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 9:34pm On Oct 10, 2015 |
raumdeuter: No amount of revisionism can change the fact that Terry IS a defensive legend. He maybe a gaping gash off the pitch, but his legacy on it will be forever remembered... I wonder if we can say the same for Boastank 2 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 9:36pm On Oct 10, 2015 |
raumdeuter: Terry played every single minute in the league last season. Won the thing too. Next point please... 2 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 9:36pm On Oct 10, 2015 |
Nihilist: Boatenks legacy includes winning a CL and world cup while on the field Terry cant point to any of these. Actually his team win when he is suspended. When terrys kids watch those CL and Europa finals and cant see their daddy they would realize they have been sold a lie |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 9:37pm On Oct 10, 2015 |
Nihilist: League winners are local champions No one gets rated based off winning a local league. Else we would crown every league winner. The trophies that count are CL and world cups which Terry failed abysmally at |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 9:37pm On Oct 10, 2015 |
raumdeuter: How wasn't it better than this?Would boateng who you claim is the best centre back in the world today have made acmilan's team B during that period. He won't even get a shirt in mourinho's team during 03-04 or 04-05. He's not special and i still stand by it that the dearth of defenders is the reason why he's praised. Football has changed since guardiola brought tiki-taka. We saw the decline of quality defenders. football these days is all about offense and so you don't have to be exceptional to be considered the best.And were you expecting nesta to win every tackle 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by barackohandso(m): 9:38pm On Oct 10, 2015 |
Aareonakakanfo: Every era will always lay claim to being better when being compared to their successors not just in football but in every sport, and even life in general. I believe we would know Messi and Ronaldo's value more and their impact on football when they eventually hang their boots, they keep defying logic with their obscene amount of goals, getting better with age like fine wine, they'll thrive in any era. That nesta gave messi a tough match in a one off game doesn't mean messi won't have him for dinner if they met more frequently afterall Emmanuel eboue and theo walcott washed maldini in the UCL in 2008 |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 9:41pm On Oct 10, 2015 |
Aareonakakanfo: Nesta to win every tackle is why average Joe Montella wiped the floor with him scoring 4 goals in a game? You were the one telling us how Messi or Ronaldo wont win games vs Nesta Maldini defence while records shows AC Milan is Messis favourite customer even with nesta there I am telling you those defenders of then too cant play football of nowadays as it is too fast for them Every team has his own peculiarity We all saw how Canavaro Thuram etc were turned to jokes when they left the bunker football of Italy and dared to play in SPain |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 9:42pm On Oct 10, 2015 |
Nihilist: nor be the same british media dey propagate & dey manipulate the voters of ballon d'or? it's like you dunno how powerful the british media are. this is how pat nevin analysed chelsea in may 2005...... The key to Chelsea's defensive strategy is more simple than people would actually like to hear about. Defensively it is five guys who stay in there. Claude Makelele plays what you'd call the old fashioned holding role in midfield. He's a shield for the back four. In some ways it doesn't seem the hardest job in the world because you don't go forward. The real joy is nothing to do with your passing ability, and only a little bit to do with your tackling ability - which may surprise some people. ![]() It's all to do with your positional sense, your game knowledge, and Makelele is outstanding. It is down to your ability to read the game and see where problems might arise and it seems clear to me that Makelele understands the players he plays with. He very rarely makes mistakes, and on occasions when Carvalho has been a bit rash he has even gone in behind him to solve problems. Makelele made a couple of great saving tackles against Arsenal. He can spot danger. He is there as security and is also possibly the best reader of the game Chelsea have got. I think Mourinho agrees with that because he makes Makelele Chelsea's player of the year. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 9:42pm On Oct 10, 2015 |
barackohandso: My reply to raumdeuter is enough answer to the emboldened |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 9:45pm On Oct 10, 2015 |
Aareonakakanfo: It was in those era that Nistelrooy who is very inferior to any of them scores double digits in the CL for fun right? its in those days that Raul was scoring in the CL for fun right? It was in those days Bierhoff, Hubner were top scorers in Serie A It was in those days Haselbaink was top scorer in La Liga? Yet it would be hard for Messi and Ronaldo to score Chairman talk another thing. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 9:45pm On Oct 10, 2015 |
raumdeuter: A 100 years from this very day, Kids looking up John Terry will know see his individual awards chronicled on the FIFA, UEFA and FIFpro websites... As of today, the only way kids will know of Boastank is by watching UCL semi-final highlights and watching one tall black man prostrating on the floor to a midget. And please don't give me that ' he was won world cup spiel'. Everybody knows and remembers Pele. Not everybody knows or cares to know some of his teammates. Boastank will be as forgotten as Schurrle, Raul Albiol, and Djalmar Santos... 2 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 9:47pm On Oct 10, 2015 |
raumdeuter: Was nesta in his prime when he faced messi? Lol even walcott had fun against an old maldini so don't sweat it and please let me know the match montella scored four goals. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Kolade354(m): 9:48pm On Oct 10, 2015 |
Coogar won't stop to amaze me with his foolishness anyday anytime with his Foolish analysis on this thread. So Makelele was chelsea best player ahead of Lampaard in 2004/2005 season ![]() The fool also said Hazard was not chelsea best player last season......It's a pity the fool also saaid English media hype Terry and Lampard, I don't know what they did to Rooney then ![]() Lastly if pique is a top defender in your own mind then you suppose to be stone like Benjamin. 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 9:48pm On Oct 10, 2015 |
Nihilist: Who won FIFpro or the equivalent in 1994? Yet everyone knows who won the world cup then Boatank was on the field winning his team major trophies, when terry was in the stands cheering like a teenage girl [img]http://2.bp..com/-KSlvF6jxLps/U8QMc-56fVI/AAAAAAAACUQ/vof2x1HZRpY/s1600/10553580_731449006902035_1871163104885673424_n.jpg[/img] |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 9:50pm On Oct 10, 2015 |
Aareonakakanfo: Rome derby Cant remember the year but I know Capello was coach. Montella was using Nesta to wipe the floor steadily in that game. I can tell you a lot about your serie A especially anything from 1995 and most of those defenders cant survive in the modern game which has gotten very fast and technical |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Kolade354(m): 9:51pm On Oct 10, 2015 |
Raumdeuter your hatred for terry is baffling!!! Those top 15 defender you rate ahead of Terry are they Futball players or Rugby players ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 9:51pm On Oct 10, 2015 |
Nihilist: unless those kids have been cursed with colour blindness, i think the only thing they would see is boateng clutching at the world cup - a gong john terry would never ever win again in this life. boateng has won everything terry has won plus more. boateng has played in the biggest level in football - something terry has rarekt achieved. abeg, as of today, boateng has a higher profile than terry & he has plenty of years to even do better. Kolade354: the only thing that constantly amazes me is the foolishness of your father for forgetting to bag his wandering cöck with prophylactics. if he had taken the simple precaution, a poor excuse of a life form like yourself wouldn't be here today distributing stüpidity profusely like a hardworking newspaper vendor. i have scooped out plenty of articles where jose himself declared makalele as chelsea's best player. who be lampard where makalele is? maka had won nearly everything in world football before coming to chelsea. of course, mongolian idïots like yourself wait for the opinion of PFA before your cognitive reasoning can decide who the best player in the league is...... |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 9:52pm On Oct 10, 2015 |
Kolade354: If you dont know those players there is something called google.com Its where people educate themselves |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 9:52pm On Oct 10, 2015 |
coogar: Im not exactly sure what to make of this response. You're posting the opinion of Pat Nevin to corroborate the statement of Jose Mourinho who is known to hype anything to high heavens if the mood takes him. Pat Nevin last time I checked is not an award giving body. He's opinion is not recognised as authoritative by Wikipedia in the way PFA is. When Jose came out and said he would bring out the 'real Falcao', Pekerman(Colombia's coach) also came out to say Falcao would thrive at Chelsea. These opinions match yours when you claimed that Falcao was better than Giroud last season. Jose said it. Pekerman said it. Coogar said it. It's still a lie though. 2 Likes |
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