Nihilist:


Yes Terry was the reason AVB went on to fail elsewhere too. When AVB chopped 5 from Liverpool playing that same highline suicidal football, Terry was also to blame.

How you can blame Terry for the failures of a manager that doesn't consider his playing staff before formulating his system is beyond me...

Terry went on to achieve back-to-back greatness in Europe post AVB. AVB however, is freezing his bollocks off in a no-account league...

raumdeuter:


Well you have to know those you tell about those times. Messi and Ronaldo would have even more fun in those times Because they are simply better than all the attackers of that time put together

Was it not in the era of Nesta and Maldini that Bierhoff was scoring 27 goals in Serie A or Dario Hubner was top scorer?

So when we dey mention all those times, dey realise say some people actually watched games then and know their football

Bierhoff Amoroso, Huber scored over 20 goals in Serie A if Messi, Ronaldo had played then they would have scored 50

raumdeuter:


Miles better every single one of them at their best were better than Terry at his pinnacle

barackohandso:


Stop all these unnecessary hype you give the past. Each era has its positives and negatives, you make it sound like you're the only one who watched football back then. Messi and ronaldo will thrive in any era as long as they play as they've been playing over the last 7 years, yes they're that good. You can go back and forth and deduce that zidane, figo, ronaldinho et al wouldn't have won the ballon d'or if they had played in this era. Change is permanent. Live with it

raumdeuter:


WHat back to back greatness in Europe did Terry achieve post AVB? Chelsea won everyone they won in Europe without Terry. He was even a cog in their wheel until God sent him out of the team

barackohandso:


Stop all these unnecessary hype you give the past. Each era has its positives and negatives, you make it sound like you're the only one who watched football back then. Messi and ronaldo will thrive in any era as long as they play as they've been playing over the last 7 years, yes they're that good. You can go back and forth and deduce that zidane, figo, ronaldinho et al wouldn't have won the ballon d'or if they had played in this era. Change is permanent. Live with it

Nihilist:

Same Jose that said he would win UCL with 11 Azpilicuetas? Or the one that said Ivanovic is his right back last week? Or maybe it's the one that said that Falcao is still a top player just that the fans can't see...

Negro please...you need to learn to differentiate fact from fiction when Jose is talking...

Aareonakakanfo:


So because bierhoff and hubner were having fun scoring against otondo clubs means that era was weak defense-wise? Does di natale scoring goals for fun against clubs like brescia make him a great player? Any serie A fan knows you don't have to be genius to win the serie A top scorer.Ronaldo played in the serie A for 5 years yet he never won it so you can't use that to judge.or does hubner scoring more than ronaldo make him better? when those players square up against top clubs, they melt. You won't meet maldini,nesta,zanetti in every match.

Nihilist:


You need to lodge a petition with UEFA to withdraw Terry's UCL and Europa League medals...

In the time since AVB was unceremoniously dismissed from CFC, John Terry has gone on to achieve more honours than that flop of a coach...

Next point please...

coogar:


i also believe jose would win UCL with 11 azpili. he's your best defender....too bad he's not a CB. he's the only player you cannot beat in the premier league - he's 2 footed, defends excellently and attacks tenaciously.

however, that's not why we are here.....
we are here cos makelele was the outstanding player in 04/05 in the prem league. the only reason he was shunned at the PFA awards is because he's not english....

which yeye lampard?
lampard was so good but it was makelele that had a role named after him? are you silly? you guys should be ashamed of yourselves that a united fan is schooling you tools about your club's own history....



we only hear of the makelele role.....where's the lampard role?

raumdeuter:


Terry won just like Mikel Bertrand and anyone in Chelsea then. Actually Mikel and Bertrand had more impact of Chelsea winning than Terry at least they were on the field where the game was going on vs Terry who was in the stands in the key games that won CHelsea the title

EVen Chelsea 3rd keeper got a medal just like terry

Aareonakakanfo:

I'm not giving the past unneccessary hype but the truth is you can't compare the defenders of this era to the ones we had back then. Its like boxing and how did i make it sound like i was the only one who watched football back then. una sef. yes they will thrive but they wouldn't have as much fun as this.Even an old nesta gave messi a run for his money so what are you saying?

Nihilist:


You're absolutely right...this further proves the point that AVB was a dud, and his failure had nothing to do with JT

Next point please...

raumdeuter:


That era wasnt any better than this.

I am sure in another 15yrs the kids of then would be saying Terry, Cahill and Titus Bramble were defensive legends

Ronaldo didnt win top scorer because he was injured for most of his stay there beyong the 1998 debut season where he was second behind Bierhoff

I have seen Ordinary Vicenzo Montella use Nesta to wipe the floor and score 4 goals in one game. So if Montella can do that why wont Messi do triple

raumdeuter:


The other coaches too won only when they left Terry out of the lineup which shows terry is the major problem

Nihilist:


No amount of revisionism can change the fact that Terry IS a defensive legend. He maybe a gaping gash off the pitch, but his legacy on it will be forever remembered...

I wonder if we can say the same for Boastank

Nihilist:


Terry played every single minute in the league last season. Won the thing too.

Next point please...

raumdeuter:


That era wasnt any better than this.

I am sure in another 15yrs the kids of then would be saying Terry, Cahill and Titus Bramble were defensive legends

Ronaldo didnt win top scorer because he was injured for most of his stay there beyong the 1998 debut season where he was second behind Bierhoff

I have seen Ordinary Vicenzo Montella use Nesta to wipe the floor and score 4 goals in one game. So if Montella can do that why wont Messi do triple

Aareonakakanfo:



I'm not giving the past unneccessary hype but the truth is you can't compare the defenders of this era to the ones we had back then. Its like boxing and how did i make it sound like i was the only one who watched football back then. una sef. yes they will thrive but they wouldn't have as much fun as this.Even an old nesta gave messi a run for his money so what are you saying?

Aareonakakanfo:


How wasn't it better than this?Would boateng who you claim is the best centre back in the world today have made acmilan's team B during that period. He won't even get a shirt in mourinho's team during 03-04 or 04-05. He's not special and i still stand by it that the dearth of defenders is the reason why he's praised. Football has changed since guardiola brought tiki-taka. We saw the decline of quality defenders. football these days is all about offense and so you don't have to be exceptional to be considered the best.And were you expecting nesta to win every tackle

Nihilist:


How about the fact that he finished as the 1st runner up to Dinho when he won the Balon D'or that year... I'm sure that was Also because he was British.

The key to Chelsea's defensive strategy is more simple than people would actually like to hear about. Defensively it is five guys who stay in there.

Claude Makelele plays what you'd call the old fashioned holding role in midfield. He's a shield for the back four.


In some ways it doesn't seem the hardest job in the world because you don't go forward.

The real joy is nothing to do with your passing ability, and only a little bit to do with your tackling ability - which may surprise some people.


It's all to do with your positional sense, your game knowledge, and Makelele is outstanding.

It is down to your ability to read the game and see where problems might arise and it seems clear to me that Makelele understands the players he plays with.

He very rarely makes mistakes, and on occasions when Carvalho has been a bit rash he has even gone in behind him to solve problems. Makelele made a couple of great saving tackles against Arsenal.

He can spot danger. He is there as security and is also possibly the best reader of the game Chelsea have got. I think Mourinho agrees with that because he makes Makelele Chelsea's player of the year.

barackohandso:


Every era will always lay claim to being better when being compared to their successors not just in football but in every sport, and even life in general. I believe we would know Messi and Ronaldo's value more and their impact on football when they eventually hang their boots, they keep defying logic with their obscene amount of goals, getting better with age like fine wine, they'll thrive in any era. That nesta gave messi a tough match in a one off game doesn't mean messi won't have him for dinner if they met more frequently afterall Emmanuel eboue and theo walcott washed maldini in the UCL in 2008

Aareonakakanfo:



My reply to raumdeuter is enough answer to the emboldened

raumdeuter:


Boatenks legacy includes winning a CL and world cup while on the field

Terry cant point to any of these. Actually his team win when he is suspended. When terrys kids watch those CL and Europa finals and cant see their daddy they would realize they have been sold a lie

raumdeuter:


Nesta to win every tackle is why average Joe Montella wiped the floor with him scoring 4 goals in a game?

You were the one telling us how Messi or Ronaldo wont win games vs[b] Nesta Maldini defence while records shows AC Milan is Messis favourite customer even with nesta there[/b]

I am telling you those defenders of then too cant play football of nowadays as it is too fast for them

Every team has his own peculiarity

We all saw how Canavaro Thuram etc were turned to jokes when they left the bunker football of Italy and dared to play in SPain

Nihilist:



A 100 years from this very day, Kids looking up John Terry will know see his individual awards chronicled on the FIFA, UEFA and FIFpro websites...

As of today, the only way kids will know of Boastank is by watching UCL semi-final highlights and watching one tall black man prostrating on the floor to a midget.

And please don't give me that ' he was won world cup spiel'. Everybody knows and remembers Pele. Not everybody knows or cares to know some of his teammates.

Boastank will be as forgotten as Schurrle, Raul Albiol, and Djalmar Santos...

Aareonakakanfo:

Was nesta in his prime when he faced messi? Lol even walcott had fun against an old maldini so don't sweat it and please let me know the match montella scored four goals.

Nihilist:



A 100 years from this very day, Kids looking up John Terry will know see his individual awards chronicled on the FIFA, UEFA and FIFpro websites...

As of today, the only way kids will know of Boastank is by watching UCL semi-final highlights and watching one tall black man prostrating on the floor to a midget.

And please don't give me that ' he was won world cup spiel'. Everybody knows and remembers Pele. Not everybody knows or cares to know some of his teammates.

Boastank will be as forgotten as Schurrle, Raul Albiol, and Djalmar Santos...

Kolade354:
Coogar won't stop to amaze me with his foolishness anyday anytime with his Foolish analysis on this thread.
So Makelele was chelsea best player ahead of Lampaard in 2004/2005 season
The fool also said Hazard was not chelsea best player last season......It's a pity the fool also saaid English media hype Terry and Lampard, I don't know what they did to Rooney then
Lastly if pique is a top defender in your own mind then you suppose to be stone like Benjamin.

Kolade354:
Raumdeuter your hatred for terry is baffling!!!
Those top 15 defender you rate ahead of Terry are they Futball players or Rugby players

coogar:


nor be the same british media dey propagate & dey manipulate the voters of ballon d'or? it's like you dunno how powerful the british media are.

this is how pat nevin analysed chelsea in may 2005......

The key to Chelsea's defensive strategy is more simple than people would actually like to hear about. Defensively it is five guys who stay in there.

Claude Makelele plays what you'd call the old fashioned holding role in midfield. He's a shield for the back four.


In some ways it doesn't seem the hardest job in the world because you don't go forward.

The real joy is nothing to do with your passing ability, and only a little bit to do with your tackling ability - which may surprise some people.


It's all to do with your positional sense, your game knowledge, and Makelele is outstanding.

It is down to your ability to read the game and see where problems might arise and it seems clear to me that Makelele understands the players he plays with.

He very rarely makes mistakes, and on occasions when Carvalho has been a bit rash he has even gone in behind him to solve problems. Makelele made a couple of great saving tackles against Arsenal.

He can spot danger. He is there as security and is also possibly the best reader of the game Chelsea have got. I think Mourinho agrees with that because he makes Makelele Chelsea's player of the year.