coogar:


truth of the matter is - we wanted him and he dumped us for barca. if you are saying barca signing a crock shows how unimportant they see their defence then you can argue the same for man utd.....



hahahaha
compare this to terry that has never played further than the q-finals of any international competition. even the miserable UCL chelsea won in munich was without terry.

terry did his best to knock his own club out of the competition when he deliberately got himself sent off in a game chelsea were winning on aggregate before his brain-fart!



no english player is really good apart from scholes. the stats are there. when the pressure hits, they crumble. the golden generation had so much promise but they delivered nothing. the last good english side were in the 90s when linekar, shearer & owen led the line.

gerrard, lampard, parker, barry, etc stunk the whole joint tournament after tournament and yet the british media idolise them on sports pages. look at rooney's form lately. no journo has really written about his lethargic form cos you dare not criticise the england captain.

if rooney was a foreign player, he would be hiding in a bunker by now with the barrage of criticisms directed his way. anywhere in the world, it's the captain that carries the team. in man utd, the team is carrying rooney & nothing is said about it in the media.

if you cannot see this bias you shouldn't be following football!



every time chelsea had faced barca, they played that system. rearguard action that never ever exposes terry to the threat of messi & co......and yet idiotic chelsea fans always beat their chests that barca have never beaten them.



terry had the protection rooney has now. english captains never get criticised for poor form on the pitch. they are next to the queen as far as immunity is concerned. the media gas them up to heavenly status and when they get to tournaments, they play worse than togo & botswana.

SailorXY:
you are the slowest being on the planet putting on the dark skin, you have absolutely nothing to brag about except impaling yourself on a league result.
Elcunthole your team is due a result after years of countless defeat. Even the laws of average has been highly unfair to your excuse of an FC in this fixture cuz it's simply not up to scratch.
Do your backflips & summersalts now, you infantile degenerate!

Nihilist:

Well even the EPL official website does not count from 1992 so dont blame me

Ok even if you use your own stats...

Lampard still has 173 assists and 177 goals. Scholes has 138 assists and 107 goals.

So....How is Scholes better than Lampard?

coogar:


you are still a goat!

98 assists in 32,300+ league minutes. that's what we should respect? do the math of the number of minutes it takes the fat cow to cop one assist!

Nihilist:


But there are other players in EPL that have played a similar amount of minutes....Why do they not have that amount of assists?

coogar:


isn't this when the number of minutes played come into play? why are Chelsea fans so moronic with numbers?

lampard played 47,934 mins(minus city's stats)
scholes played 36,086 mins

lampard played 11,000 more minutes translating to 122 league games more than scholes.

oya, calculate how many minutes it takes scholes to cop an assist & how long it took lampard.

as per goals.....
scholes scored only one penalty for man utd. lampard scored 50. if you calculate the open play goals, scholes is more prolific.

coogar:


that's not my business....

the real issue is between lampard & scholes
other players in the EPL aren't as gifted as lampard. i am not saying lampard is a poor player, i am saying scholes is just better than him in everything.

Nihilist:

I have said several times that you are an olodo when it comes to numbers. It is because of you that I posted a series on articles on the blind over reliance on numbers. The rate of assists only comes into play when you're trying to predict or forecast Scholes future output. The rate does not mean diddly squat.

At the end of the day, both players have left the EPL and what we have are the absolute figures. And only coogar the salesman will try to subvert absolute numbers for his silly argument

Lampard scored more goals and had more assists than Scholes in the EPL. Fact.

coogar:


you are a consummate retärd!
the only thing that never lies in this world is the number. stats are facts not your idiötic opinion backed up by jamie redknapp.

world class players like xavi, henry, edgar davids, zidane, alonso, etc have all said scholes is the messiah of the midfield in the last 20 years.
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absolute figures cannot cut it here cos one of the players played more games. 11,000 mins more and he also scored an obscene number of penalties to pad up the stats. the ratio of awoof pen between the two maestros is 50:1 to lampard. why then should we count absolute numbers when math has given us the opportunity to check the rate!

only an idiot with pöop for brains & condensed spittle would make analytical conclusion based on absolute numbers. only a slowpoke would expect a player that played 11,000 less minutes to have the same numbers. some things cannot be thought in adulthood - i fear you have gone past enrolling into adult classes now to learn when to apply proportion.

Nihilist:

Lampard was runner up to Ronaldinho at Balon D'or. Thats a higher accolade than the opinions of all those players combined

Nobody cares about the rate because there is no guarantee that Scholes or Lampard would have been able to sustain it into the future. Theres a reason why there is an All time Goal Scorers table. I have never heard of an equivalent for rate of goals scored.

Clement you need to relax before you blow a gasket. Giggs has the highest number of assists in the EPL. Giggs also has the Highest number of appearances in the EPL. Nobby Solano however has a better Assist rate than Giggs. Should we call him a better left winger?

The rest of all your insults are just weak, sad and pathetic. Lampard and Scholes are both British so you cannot use your weak 'English media' excuse here -One has been recognised as the second best player in the world, the UEFA midfielder of the year, and the EPL player of the season....The other has only been recognised as the player of the month.

Perhaps you need to re-evaluate who really has poop for brains and all that...

coogar:


this is stüpidity!
beckham was also a runner-up twice @ballon d'or. nobody would say beckham was a better player than scholes at any point in scholes' career.




all-time scorer's table is what it is. however, when we are talking comparison with another player, variables like minutes spent is considered. why do sites like transfermarkt, whoscored, eplindex take their time to compute per minute? get out of here with your village analyses. the same guy that told us 1 hour ago that scholes had only 45 assists in the PL. trust me, you actually don't have any credibility to argue stats......you are a football-illiterate.



you are unbelievably stüpid
how does solano has a better assist rate than giggs? giggs has about 280 premier league assists - are you crazy?



so how come scholes has never won PFA award and mediocre players like lampard, gerrard & rooney have won it. scholes is ginger - they are the most hated folks in the northern hemisphere. this is why he was not outspoken as a player as well. a player that never had a football agent & he just signs wherever contract offered to him. he has a very quiet personality unlike the celebs like rooney, lamps & gerrard!



na you now!
a fool like you first argued scholes had only 45 PL assists. after you got schooled, you quickly reverted to form and changed the line of argument that we should take just the absolute numbers.

lampard is better? how many league titles has he won compared to scholes? even if we count from the roman era cos chelsea's history started in 2003....scholes still won more league titles.

how many UCL has lampard won compared to scholes? when lampard comes out of retirement and wins a league title for his club, you can mention him in the same breath as scholesy!

you are talking runner-up to ballon d'or. beckham did in 99 & 2001 and he cannot polish scholesy's boot at any point in his career. another pointer that these awards are a popularity contest.

Bleep outta here!

Nihilist:

So Scholes did not get accolades because of the colour of his hair? The colour of his hair now coogar?

No wonder you keep going on about 'poop for brains'. I'm sure there is raw sewage sloshing around in your cranium. Clement 'Coogar' Njoku...The Human Soakaway.

coogar:


he's ginger.
ginger folks lack self confidence cos you are extremely self conscious of their condition. scholes never sought the limelight like the rooney, lampard, gerrard, beckham. thierry henry always asked that question - "how come scholes never even won the PFA?"



see this fool!

you are tool that brainfarted about 45PL assists. confronted with stats, you crawled back into your shell. you re-farted with your brain again by saying solano copped more assists than giggsy.

fart in the brain means there's a fecal-producing machine in your cranial cavity. this is exactly the reason this community of pundits believe you have poop for brains. nihilist, you are a recto-cranially inverted peasant. you wear your arse on your head.

Nihilist:

Solano has a better assist rate than Giggs. Check it and stop making an arse of yourself.

But I cant believe you're repeating this nonsense. Scholes was not recognised because of the colour of his hair? Scholes was not recognised because he is self conscious about his condition?

The man played professional football, and is currently a professional pundit, and has a column in the newspaper. That's an odd career for a person who doesnt like the limelight. But the colour of his hair though?

Coogar your head is just big for nothing. Even though your ogo is long like a 1952 computer monitor, your cranium is so empty that your skull echoes when you breathe.

Olodo salesman

afrodoc2:

Paul Scholes was better than Frank Lampard. The stats are equivocal but the eye test makes the decision easy.

Even in La Liga Susaeta and Chori Castro have about same assist figure as Iniesta, does not make them his equal.

In Bundesliga you have people like Farfan and Gonzalo Castro competing with Robben in terms of assists.

Apart from goals scored for strikers which is fairly simple using just stats for other positions is going to lead to inaccurate and skewed results.

The style of play of both players and of their teams means Lampard is likely to edge it in terms of goals and assists. Scholes was a better footballer.

Nihilist:

Coogar, Even though your ogo is long like a 1952 computer monitor your cranium is so empty that your skull echoes when you breathe.
Olodo salesman

coogar:
nihilist, you are a recto-cranially inverted peasant. you wear your arse on your head.

coogar:


that's actually the misconception.

in terms of how long it took each player to score open play goals & copping an assist, scholesy towered over lampard!

lampard

173 league assists
115 open play assists
58 set play assists.

scholes

138 league assists
120 open play assists
18 set play assists.


just look at the ratio of lampard's set play assists. 33% of his total assists are from set plays. whereas, scholesy's set play assists are ultra low compared to his overall assists.

even if you discount the number of minutes played by each midfielders, it's easy to see lampard relied much more on dead ball situations than scholes - and that makes him less creative than scholes. if the opponents aren't standing still, lampard is almost clueless.

afrodoc2:
Paul Scholes was better than Frank Lampard. The stats are equivocal but the eye test makes the decision easy.

Even in La Liga Susaeta and Chori Castro have about same assist figure as Iniesta, does not make them his equal.

In Bundesliga you have people like Farfan and Gonzalo Castro competing with Robben in terms of assists.

Apart from goals scored for strikers which is fairly simple using just the stats for other positions is going to lead to inaccurate and skewed results.

The style of play of both players and of their teams means Lampard is likely to edge it in terms of goals and assists. Scholes was a better footballer.

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afrodoc2:

I am actually not interested in stats in this case. My view about stats is that they become useful when dealing with an unclear question. It is clear that Scholes was better than Lampard so i won't delve too deep into stats.

Lampard scored more goals and had more assists than Zidane.....yet he himself knows that Zidane is his boss.

Nihilist:

My good doctor....You need to read the origin of the argument.
This is not an argument on who is better. I'm sure we're also so set in our choices that we will never be swayed anyway.


The argument was that Coogar stated that stats PROVED that Scholes was better than Lampard. I'm sure you too will also agree that this is an infernal lie.


Coogar with his echoing cranium wants to continue to lie unabated on this forum. Somebody has to give him the Gandalf treatment.

afrodoc2:
I am actually not interested in stats in this case. My view about stats is that they become useful when dealing with an unclear question. It is clear that Scholes was better than Lampard so i won't delve too deep into stats.
Lampard scored more goals and had more assists than Zidane.....yet he himself knows that Zidane is his boss.

Nihilist:

Coogar your head is just big for nothing. Even though your ogo is long like a 1952 computer monitor, your cranium is so empty that your skull echoes when you breathe.
Olodo salesman

raumdeuter:


There are some things that need stats and some that do not. Its a simple trained eye test would know

There is something called experience in football based on watching for many years and having the eye for the game

E.g completed passes of Mikel and Cleverly that are done in safe areas of the field vs those for Iniesta and Fabregas done in risky areas of the field would be different and would have to be viewed in the context

A striker thats a poacher is different than one who is responsible for hold up play

afrodoc2:


Yes definitely. However Nihilist has cleared it up. He wants Coogar to prove WITH STATS that Scholes was better.

afrodoc2:


Yes definitely. However Nihilist has cleared it up. He wants Coogar to prove WITH STATS that Scholes was better.

raumdeuter:


I am not sure how this would work. And I wont interfere with that exercise

but Lampard played a different role from what Schole did. Lampard played further up the field than Scholes Did. Lampard in many seasons played as an AM. Lampard did little with play making in his hey days

Lampard played off the striker in a 4-3-3 and most knockdowns were to Lampard. he was almost around the opposition box.

Scholes played as a midfielder in a 4-4-2 where he has little responsibility upfield and did more playmaking

coogar:



no english player is really good apart from scholes. the stats are there. when the pressure hits, they crumble.

raumdeuter:


I am not sure how this would work. And I wont interfere with that exercise

but Lampard played a different role from what Schole did. Lampard played further up the field than Scholes Did. Lampard in many seasons played as an AM. Lampard did little with play making in his hey days

Lampard played off the striker in a 4-3-3 and most knockdowns were to Lampard. he was almost around the opposition box.

Scholes played as a midfielder in a 4-4-2 where he has little responsibility upfield and did more playmaking

Nihilist:

We are asking for the stats that are there. NOT comparing who is better. Please gerrahia Mr Ojuyobo Isaiah.

Odunharry:
Everton vs United.. next

raumdeuter:


I am not sure how this would work. And I wont interfere with that exercise

but Lampard played a different role from what Schole did. Lampard played further up the field than Scholes Did. Lampard in many seasons played as an AM. Lampard did little with play making in his hey days

Lampard played off the striker in a 4-3-3 and most knockdowns were to Lampard. he was almost around the opposition box. Similar to where Oscar plays nowadays

Scholes played as a midfielder in a 4-4-2 where he has little responsibility upfield and did more playmaking

ElFenomeno1:
Scummies how goes it?!
Can we play you lot again this weekend?!