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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by SIRcumalot: 11:50am On Oct 12, 2015 |
coogar:That exactly what am saying a 30yrs old LB to play as a CB abegi At least we sniffed around otamendi Players have brain fart moments. Even drogba that was the legend of their UCL win copped a red against us the 08 final. If he was never forgiven would he have been there to carry the day in germany ? Anytime an underachieving squad is not living up to their projected potential the faults lies with the FA and the various coaches they hired not with the players. Lampard is just as good as scholes Scholes has been a tad overrated in his retirement. Why should Chelsea play to barca strength ? Like say tiki-taka na the only way to play good football. The english papers are the first to tear down their stars they did it to to Beckham they are doing it to Rooney right now. 2 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ElFenomeno1: 11:53am On Oct 12, 2015 |
SailorXY:Eat a di...ck, you bloody effluvium discharging gasbag! NEXT!!!!!!! 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 11:55am On Oct 12, 2015 |
Nihilist: isn't this when the number of minutes played come into play? why are Chelsea fans so moronic with numbers? lampard played 47,934 mins(minus city's stats) scholes played 36,086 mins lampard played 11,000 more minutes translating to 122 league games more than scholes. oya, calculate how many minutes it takes scholes to cop an assist & how long it took lampard. as per goals..... scholes scored only one penalty for man utd. lampard scored 50. if you calculate the open play goals, scholes is more prolific. 10 Likes 4 Shares |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 11:58am On Oct 12, 2015 |
coogar: But there are other players in EPL that have played a similar amount of minutes....Why do they not have that amount of assists? 2 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 12:06pm On Oct 12, 2015 |
Nihilist: that's not my business.... the real issue is between lampard & scholes other players in the EPL aren't as gifted as lampard. i am not saying lampard is a poor player, i am saying scholes is just better than him in everything. 10 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 12:07pm On Oct 12, 2015 |
coogar: I have said several times that you are an olodo when it comes to numbers. It is because of you that I posted a series on articles on the blind over reliance on numbers. The rate of assists only comes into play when you're trying to predict or forecast Scholes future output. The rate does not mean diddly squat. At the end of the day, both players have left the EPL and what we have are the absolute figures. And only coogar the salesman will try to subvert absolute numbers for his silly argument Lampard scored more goals and had more assists than Scholes in the EPL. Fact. 7 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 12:07pm On Oct 12, 2015 |
coogar: I was talking about Rooney. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 12:57pm On Oct 12, 2015 |
Nihilist: you are a consummate retärd! the only thing that never lies in this world is the number. stats are facts not your idiötic opinion backed up by jamie redknapp. world class players like xavi, henry, edgar davids, zidane, alonso, etc have all said scholes is the messiah of the midfield in the last 20 years.
absolute figures cannot cut it here cos one of the players played more games. 11,000 mins more and he also scored an obscene number of penalties to pad up the stats. the ratio of awoof pen between the two maestros is 50:1 to lampard. why then should we count absolute numbers when math has given us the opportunity to check the rate!
only an idiot with pöop for brains & condensed spittle on both sides of the mouth would make analytical conclusion based on absolute numbers. only a morôn would expect a player that played 11,000 less minutes to have the same number. some things cannot be taught in adulthood - i fear you have gone past enrolling into adult classes now to learn when to apply proportion. 10 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 1:17pm On Oct 12, 2015 |
coogar: Lampard was runner up to Ronaldinho at Balon D'or. Thats a higher accolade than the opinions of all those players combined
Nobody cares about the rate because there is no guarantee that Scholes or Lampard would have been able to sustain it into the future. Theres a reason why there is an All time Goal Scorers table. I have never heard of an equivalent for rate of goals scored. only an idiot with pöop for brains & condensed spittle would make analytical conclusion based on absolute numbers. only a slowpoke would expect a player that played 11,000 less minutes to have the same numbers. some things cannot be thought in adulthood - i fear you have gone past enrolling into adult classes now to learn when to apply proportion. Clement you need to relax before you blow a gasket. Giggs has the highest number of assists in the EPL. Giggs also has the Highest number of appearances in the EPL. Nobby Solano however has a better Assist rate than Giggs. Should we call him a better left winger? The rest of all your insults are just weak, sad and pathetic. Lampard and Scholes are both British so you cannot use your weak 'English media' excuse here -One has been recognised as the second best player in the world, the UEFA midfielder of the year, and the EPL player of the season....The other has only been recognised as the player of the month. Perhaps you need to re-evaluate who really has poop for brains and all that... 2 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 1:34pm On Oct 12, 2015 |
Nihilist: this is stüpidity! beckham was also a runner-up twice @ballon d'or. nobody would say beckham was a better player than scholes at any point in scholes' career.
all-time scorer's table is what it is. however, when we are talking comparison with another player, variables like minutes spent is considered. why do sites like transfermarkt, whoscored, eplindex take their time to compute per minute? get out of here with your village analyses. the same guy that told us 1 hour ago that scholes had only 45 assists in the PL. trust me, you actually don't have any credibility to argue stats......you are a football-illiterate. ![]()
you are unbelievably stüpid how does solano have a better assist rate than giggs? giggs has more than 280 premier league assists - are you crazy?
so how come scholes has never won PFA award and mediocre players like lampard, gerrard & rooney have won it. scholes is ginger - they are the most hated folks in the northern hemisphere. this is why he was not outspoken as a player as well. a player that never had a football agent & he just signs wherever contract offered to him. he has a very quiet personality unlike the celebs like rooney, lamps & gerrard!
na you now! a fool like you first argued scholes had only 45 PL assists. after you got schooled, you quickly reverted to form and changed the line of argument that we should take just the absolute numbers. lampard is better? how many league titles has he won compared to scholes? even if we count from the roman era cos chelsea's history started in 2003....scholes still won more league titles. how many UCL has lampard won compared to scholes? when lampard comes out of retirement and wins a league title for his club, you can mention him in the same breath as scholesy! you are talking runner-up to ballon d'or. beckham did in 99 & 2001 and he cannot polish scholesy's boot at any point in his career. another pointer that these awards are a popularity contest. fück outta here! 12 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 1:41pm On Oct 12, 2015 |
coogar: So Scholes did not get accolades because of the colour of his hair? The colour of his hair now coogar? ![]() ![]() No wonder you keep going on about 'poop for brains'. I'm sure there is raw sewage sloshing around in your cranium. Clement 'Coogar' Njoku...The Human Soakaway. 6 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 2:21pm On Oct 12, 2015 |
Nihilist: he's ginger. ginger folks lack self confidence cos they're extremely self conscious of their condition. scholes never sought the limelight like the rooney, lampard, gerrard, beckham. thierry henry always asked that question - "how come scholes never even won the PFA?"
see this fool! you are the tool that brainfarted about 45PL assists. confronted with stats, you crawled back into your shell. you re-farted with your brain again by saying solano copped more assists than giggsy. fart in the brain means there's a fecal-producing machine in your cranial cavity. this is exactly the reason this community of pundits believe you have poop for brains. nihilist, you are a recto-cranially inverted peasant. you wear your arse on your head. ![]() 15 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 2:39pm On Oct 12, 2015 |
coogar: Solano has a better assist rate than Giggs. Check it and stop making an arse of yourself. But I cant believe you're repeating this nonsense. Scholes was not recognised because of the colour of his hair? Scholes was not recognised because he is self conscious about his condition? The man played professional football, and is currently a professional pundit, and has a column in the newspaper. That's an odd career for a person who doesnt like the limelight. But the colour of his hair though? ![]() ![]() ![]() Coogar your head is just big for nothing. Even though your ogo is long like a 1952 computer monitor, your cranium is so empty that your skull echoes when you breathe. Olodo salesman ![]() 9 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 2:57pm On Oct 12, 2015 |
Nihilist: stop pulling conjectures from the stratosphere, mate. when i proved scholes was the better player, i supplied stats with proof. show us how solano has a better assist rate than giggs....
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you are a recto-cranially inverted peasant. there's nothing else to say after that. 5 Likes 1 Share
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc2: 2:58pm On Oct 12, 2015 |
Paul Scholes was better than Frank Lampard. The stats are equivocal but the eye test makes the decision easy. Even in La Liga Susaeta and Chori Castro have about same assist figure as Iniesta, does not make them his equal. In Bundesliga you have people like Farfan and Gonzalo Castro competing with Robben in terms of assists. Apart from goals scored for strikers which is fairly simple using just the stats for other positions is going to lead to inaccurate and skewed results. The style of play of both players and of their teams means Lampard is likely to edge it in terms of goals and assists. Scholes was a better footballer. 2 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 3:10pm On Oct 12, 2015 |
afrodoc2: that's actually the misconception. in terms of how long it took each player to score open play goals & copping an assist, scholesy towered over lampard! lampard 173 league assists 115 open play assists 58 set play assists. scholes 138 league assists 120 open play assists 18 set play assists. just look at the ratio of lampard's set play assists. 33% of his total assists are from set plays. whereas, scholesy's set play assists are ultra low compared to his overall assists. even if you discount the number of minutes played by each midfielders, it's easy to see lampard relied much more on dead ball situations than scholes - and that makes him less creative than scholes. if the opponents aren't standing still, lampard is almost clueless. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by weedtaker: 3:11pm On Oct 12, 2015 |
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc2: 3:17pm On Oct 12, 2015 |
coogar: I am actually not interested in stats in this case. My view about stats is that they become useful when dealing with an unclear question. It is clear that Scholes was better than Lampard so i won't delve too deep into stats. Lampard scored more goals and had more assists than Zidane.....yet he himself knows that Zidane is his boss. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 3:23pm On Oct 12, 2015 |
afrodoc2: My good doctor....You need to read the origin of the argument. This is not an argument on who is better. I'm sure we're also so set in our choices that we will never be swayed anyway. The argument was that Coogar stated that stats PROVED that Scholes was better than Lampard. I'm sure you too will also agree that this is an infernal lie. Coogar with his echoing cranium wants to continue to lie unabated on this forum. Somebody has to give him the Gandalf treatment. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 3:25pm On Oct 12, 2015 |
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by weedtaker: 3:31pm On Oct 12, 2015 |
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 3:32pm On Oct 12, 2015 |
afrodoc2: this is the misconception. no one takes the number of obscene minutes lampard plays into consideration when doing these comparisons....if you rip the stats to the bare relevant parameters, don't be surprised zidane has better numbers than lampard. when the opponents are not standing still from 10 yards to the ball, frank lampard is very very clueless. he's played 11,000 minutes more than scholes, 50 awoof penalties ....why is it expected of him not to score more? Nihilist: i have proven with stats that scholes is the better player. you were the one that disregarded the facts that numbers often lie.... are you crazy? lampard - 173 assists in ~48,000 mins scholes - 138 assists in ~36,000 mins scholes created a goal every 261 mins lampard created a goal every 277 mins your pathological lying self jumped into the argument cos you brainfarted - you initially thought scholes had 45 PL assists. if you knew it was 138, you wouldn't have jumped into it. next time, look before you leap! ![]() 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 3:34pm On Oct 12, 2015 |
afrodoc2: There are some things that need stats and some that do not. Its a simple trained eye test would know There is something called experience in football based on watching for many years and having the eye for the game E.g completed passes of Mikel and Cleverly that are done in safe areas of the field vs those for Iniesta and Fabregas done in risky areas of the field would be different and would have to be viewed in the context A striker thats a poacher is different than one who is responsible for hold up play |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ElFenomeno1: 3:39pm On Oct 12, 2015 |
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc2: 3:42pm On Oct 12, 2015 |
raumdeuter: Yes definitely. However Nihilist has cleared it up. He wants Coogar to prove WITH STATS that Scholes was better. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 3:45pm On Oct 12, 2015 |
afrodoc2: ....which i have done on this occasion, what you see with your näked eye and what the stats say align in the same direction. scholes is better than lampard visually and statistically! 4 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 3:45pm On Oct 12, 2015 |
afrodoc2: I am not sure how this would work. And I wont interfere with that exercise but Lampard played a different role from what Schole did. Lampard played further up the field than Scholes Did. Lampard in many seasons played as an AM. Lampard did little with play making in his hey days Lampard played off the striker in a 4-3-3 and most knockdowns were to Lampard. he was almost around the opposition box. Similar to where Oscar plays nowadays Scholes played as a midfielder in a 4-4-2 where he has little responsibility upfield and did more playmaking 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 3:49pm On Oct 12, 2015 |
raumdeuter: Dont muddy the water oga. This is the origin of the argument coogar: We are asking for the stats that are there. NOT comparing who is better. Please gerrahia Mr Ojuyobo Isaiah. 2 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 3:50pm On Oct 12, 2015 |
raumdeuter: i am ready to discount all those.....even if scholes had played as a goalie & lampard played as a poacher, scholes is still better than frankie in every way. what lampard should be praised for is his durability.....just like hidden hazard. lampard is almost always available for the games but that does not make him a better player. with the number of minutes under his belt, he should be notching 200+ assists. Nihilist: stats say scholes copped 138 assists in 36,000 minutes. it's a better rate than frankie lampard's stats. nihilist - how does it feel when i scoop poop out of your brains and rub it in your face? you just lost another one......again! ![]() 6 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 3:52pm On Oct 12, 2015 |
Odunharry:We've not won at Goodison park in 4 years. I'm really nervous for this one. Hope we come out on top... |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc2: 3:55pm On Oct 12, 2015 |
raumdeuter: Yeah that is what i was talking about in terms of style of play. Scholes was more of a deep lying conductor while Lampard played closer to the box |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 3:56pm On Oct 12, 2015 |
ElFenomeno1:I heard West Ham wrote a petition to the FA to allow them play Arsenal at the Emirates everyweek...... |
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