Besides, it required to be well plaster the beam both ins and outs

nameoh:
Experts in the house,
I am currently building on a waterlogged area. Am about to do the septic tank for seawage.
i was told it will be done with concrete from the bottom to the top as against the use of block on a dry land.
Please is there no way i can reduced the cost like using only conrate wall for like 3 coaches then use block work to complete the remaiing coaching.
i am thinking of using waterproof cement to plaster the wall of the septic tant so that ground water will not be able to enter the septic tank via the block works.
please what do you think , will i save cost and also maintain quality?
You opinion is also highly accepted.

It won't work. Sorry, it's never my thing to say bad things. It might work but I think it's better for you to wait till dry season. From the way you describe the site, it's most likely groundwater issue, it's not like you're dealing with high water table. So it's a normal thing to experience especially during the rainy season. It happens when you are building in the middle or end of a gradient slope.

No cause for alarm says Brabus.

...

NL1960:


I have also not seen on Nairaland. The question is whether it is only on Nairaland that projects can be posted. How many people even post on Nairaland?. There are clients that some Nairaland members build for who do not want their projects to be displayed on Nairaland. So many building projects are being done everyday. How many of such gets to Nairaland?. A builder here never knew of Nairaland until he was introduced by a Nairaland member after he handled his project. There are so many of such people out there using economical ways to deliver projects on a tight budget.

U r very very very correct on dis sir. I know some nairalander engineers dat r very very active in property section and even very active on dis particular thread dat we do supply granite and stone dust to their sites and projects dat do not av threads opened for on here.
But I always asked dem after d supply why no such thread to d project on nairaland and d answers were dat d owners didn't want their projects public.

They always ask for authorisation from d projects owners before putting it public and d answers may be a YES or a NO.

Good day everyone!please which is better to make foundaton with between bricks and stones?
?

Oga NL1960,

Building on public forum like Nairaland is like appointing Oliseh as the Head Coach of super eagles and having 170m Nigerians as the technical advisers.

Based on my experience on this platform, I discovered most time that this approach always benefits the ‘interfering’ parties' ego and not the client. Clearly other people (technical advisers) jumping in are also trying to help, but the jumbled mess of multi-voiced opinions is the reserve of the football terrace not a place of learning. One voice, one direction is the spirit of the game.

The quickest way to encapsulate this is, how many people taught you maths at any one time?

So I see it as fun when we are doing our thing. I mean the same thing that makes super eagle what it is today. The Gej-must-go thingy, Bubu-is-slow, nigeria-is-worse, it's-possible, it's impracticable... That's what makes us a Nigerian in the first place.

So I don't blame those guys who don't bother to come here to showcase their projects. Trying to listen to everybody leads to paralysis of analysis.

My humble opinion.

Jummymine:
Good day everyone!please which is better to make foundaton with between bricks and stones?
?

Can we have a pictorial representation of the bricks and stones you're talking about?

twinskenny:


A client of mine in ibadan contacted smile for a static IP which will enable him to monitor his house remotely.. unfortunately they are charging a ridiculous amount according to him.. here in lagos with swift remote IP is free.

you might need to contact smile and find out how much they charge for static IP

He does not need a "static I.P" ..... even corporate bodies run away from that if they can because its so expensive!
What he needs is a combination of DNS, address translations and pass-through configurations on the Server..... all free of cost!
Any Network I.T person can do this, if inclined also in the area of "physical" security !

Use to do stuff like that for a Security Company l worked for overseas, (as their in-house I.T/Security Engineer) wayback in 2005 as they do "remote monitoring" for some 'big names' who wanted to keep an eye on their property (l suspect one just wanted to know what his wife was doing when he was away, because he was a sports man.)

He could 'monitor' his house from his (any) mobile phone from wherever he was, as long as he had data enabled on it. Such data is alos stored on at least two or three different locations as the first thing the banditoes look for in your house, is the Server, so that they can take it along with them!
Back then, l even incorporated Skype on it such that if the location is breached, using Sky as a cheap alternative, we could do a "two-way. self-initiating audio message" to scare away an intruder by telling him "the Police are watching you right now and are on their way... Please leave premises immediately"
ofcourse, it is only in extreme cases that we actually invite the Police (like some guys who were trying to steal a Pay-loader from a construction site, which they then use to rip-out from its re-inforced walls, an ATM machine nearby!)

Adding perimeter "Passive infra-red" motion detectors, electronic fencing, et.c are some other ways to enhance the system.

Hope l did not derail the thread with my rant sha?


Lastpage!

Baba lastpage, nice one!

I think you're still in line and you're discussing an area of my core competence. It's still part of building construction.

Structured cabling and networking is a standard thing in most corporate projects, low-rise and high-rise MDUs/MTUs, apartments, malls and other public buildings.

@twinskenny,

I'll suggest you look towards that direction. Na your boys go dey handle residentials walahi!

Even residential projects do incorporate structured cabling and networking (cabled, wireless and IP networks) into their projects enabling their guys to work from home.

I can count a number of estates we did back then in Osborne (NAMTL, Eleanora, Monique Water Gardens, etc)

But what do we have now, estates just spring up without features just because we have GSM and the funny CUGs. How can that ever replace VoIP that connects you to your office network?

Infact, I laugh when I see some of the electrical drawings we have this days.

lastpage:



He does not need a "static I.P" ..... even corporate bodies run away from that if they can because its so expensive!
What he needs is a combination of DNS, address translations and pass-through configurations on the Server..... all free of cost!
Any Network I.T person can do this, if inclined also in the area of "physical" security !

Use to do stuff like that for a Security Company l worked for overseas, (as their in-house I.T/Security Engineer) wayback in 2005 as they do "remote monitoring" for some 'big names' who wanted to keep an eye on their property (l suspect one just wanted to know what his wife was doing when he was away, because he was a sports man.)

He could 'monitor' his house from his (any) mobile phone from wherever he was, as long as he had data enabled on it. Such data is alos stored on at least two or three different locations as the first thing the banditoes look for in your house, is the Server, so that they can take it along with them!
Back then, l even incorporated Skype on it such that if the location is breached, using Sky as a cheap alternative, we could do a "two-way. self-initiating audio message" to scare away an intruder by telling him "the Police are watching you right now and are on their way... Please leave premises immediately"
ofcourse, it is only in extreme cases that we actually invite the Police (like some guys who were trying to steal a Pay-loader from a construction site, which they then use to rip-out from its re-inforced walls, an ATM machine nearby!)

Adding perimeter "Passive infra-red" motion detectors, electronic fencing, et.c are some other ways to enhance the system.

Hope l did not derail the thread with my rant sha?


Lastpage!

This your remote monitoring without static Ip,
Where can one get the skill in Nigeria.

adanny01:


Exactly like d other guy but i know it isnt he. Another one.

What do you have, superiority complex? It seemed so.

Don't bother arguing with him. He is the same guy EgunMogaji = CityNG = Somorin .

Some of us know what is going on here.

alakara:

This your remote monitoring without static Ip,
Where can one get the skill in Nigeria.

It's actually very simple and there are dynamic IP sites like http://www.noip.com that can do this automatically for you.

The issue that I have is that I have only solar power onsite so there will be numerous times when the system will have to start from a total reboot. Hence why I was looking for a one stop solution.

brabus:
Oga NL1960,

Building on public forum like Nairaland is like appointing Oliseh as the Head Coach of super eagles and having 170m Nigerians as the technical advisers.

Based on my experience on this platform, I discovered most time that this approach always benefits the ‘interfering’ parties' ego and not the client. Clearly other people (technical advisers) jumping in are also trying to help, but the jumbled mess of multi-voiced opinions is the reserve of the football terrace not a place of learning. One voice, one direction is the spirit of the game.

The quickest way to encapsulate this is, how many people taught you maths at any one time?

So I see it as fun when we are doing our thing. I mean the same thing that makes super eagle what it is today. The Gej-must-go thingy, Bubu-is-slow, nigeria-is-worse, it's-possible, it's impracticable... That's what makes us a Nigerian in the first place.

So I don't blame those guys who don't bother to come here to showcase their projects. Trying to listen to everybody leads to paralysis of analysis.

My humble opinion.

This was the reason why i ask how many people show case their projects on Nairaland. Nairaland is not the SI unit of building projects.

alakara:

This your remote monitoring without static Ip,
Where can one get the skill in Nigeria.

if its not a cooperate org with big money thats a bit difficult... swift offer static ip for free here in lagos..

abouzaid:
bros please free him, i just want the issue to pass. it would have been a worthwhile discussion if he was a builder and i can't just see anything to gain from arguing with him, my only disappointment is the nairaland builders, i have no doubt that if i launch a thread now to build this house, many of them would start engaging in false criticism because they are protecting their interests so i have decided to be a passive observer on this thread henceforth, so please free him.

If something is not experimented, nobody will know if it is possible. Location matters in the cost of a building project. You can still start your project and give us a feedback on the cost. I studied the farmers in the village to know how they were managing little funds to build their houses and i learned something from their approach and cost savings measures. Finishing is relative and subjective. Somebody can buy a toilet set for 70k while another person will buy the one for 7k. Somebody can build a bungalow for N20m and somebody will laugh at the person and say that what the person built is useless because he had used N50m to build his own bungalow.

I was given this for the completion of my fencing and mouthing of gate. I used a total of 25k(10 bags of cement, water, sand, labour for molding) for the blocks that will be used to complete the fence.

QUOTATION OF FENCING MATERIAL
N6, 000 10 planks (600)
N 24,000 12 Workmen (2,000)
N 11,000 11 laborers (1,000)
N 40,000 25 Bags of cement (1,600)
N 1,000 5 pd wt of 3 inches nail (200)
N 4,800 4 length of 12 mm rod (1,200)
N 2,000 2 length of 10 mm rod (1,000)
N 8,000 1 Trip of gravel
N 1,000 half bundle of binding wire (1,000)
N 2,000 a day job of carpenter
N 2,000 a day job of iron bender
N 6,000 two trip of sand (3,000)
TOTAL N 107,000

Can you notice some 'abnormal' low prices in this quote?.

brabus:
Baba lastpage, nice one!

I think you're still in line and you're discussing an area of my core competence. It's still part of building construction.

Structured cabling and networking is a standard thing in most corporate projects, low-rise and high-rise MDUs/MTUs, apartments, malls and other public buildings.

@twinskenny,

I'll suggest you look towards that direction. Na your boys go dey handle residentials walahi!

i am actually into structure company.. used to do that with my former company...

looking for the right link my brother..

alakara:

This your remote monitoring without static Ip,
Where can one get the skill in Nigeria.

You don't need any static ip bro. Get a very skillful network engineer with good NAT-ting Routing and Port forwarding skills and also have a good knowledge of Dynamic DNS. It's not so complicated.

And you have to be sure your ISP is not blocking some ports.

This is construction class sha.

alakara:

This your remote monitoring without static Ip,
Where can one get the skill in Nigeria.

It is not "my thing" in anyway!
Like l said, the process (remote viewing) has been around since 2005 (that l am involved-in and to the best of my knowledge).

Again, l did not say WITHOUT static I.P!
What l said is "you dont need to BUY a static I.P" when you are not a corporate body with money to throw around and when you have a an almost costless alternative that can fool the system into believing its working with one, while doing the job equally as well and to same standards.

I use to be in that field almost a decade ago when l working with a "physical security" firm.


@Brabus.

My chairman, l remain "Loyal" O!
I think l recall that you are primarily an I.T person or am l wrong?
Its good to see others like you deploy your skills in multiple fields, while using your knowledge to complement each other. My background started in I.T as well (Up to Masters level).

Indulge me to add that we are actually moving (have moved) away from "structured cabling" nowadays, when it comes to CCTV Data streams and related stuff. We have gone from the use of Balums to extend Cable length without degrading Data stream to abolishing cable completely, in respect of data
For example, l am almost finishing a 4flats house and the only reason l have a "Cat Cable" running through is for 12v Power for my CCTV cameras.
The Cameras themselves are wireless I.P IP64 Cameras and l dont need to do any cabling at all..... if l could get a way to get them powered.

But then, since there are eight strings in a single CAT 6 or higher, that means l can power four Cams with a single strand of cable!

I dont know how much "security" goes into these CCTV Cams that others install but if you ask me, that is where the real work lies because most people just leave it "open and unsecured" ........ and all you need is just click on it and you can see them Camera feeds!

ENSURE YOUR INSTALLED CAMERA meets a certain minimum level of "SAFETY" otherwise, you and the thief might just be watching the same video!
Its only natural that we "lock our house door" when we are going out ....... rather than expect that thieves will not dare peep into an open door!
Even the Police are obliged to "cross check" .....when they see a door "funnily left open", all day and night".

I am just raising this issue because l want people to "pay attention" to it.

Just imagine that a CCTV Cam was installed in your bedroom and you think it is very secure, not knowing that it is open to the whole world to view, when they want to! I hope they are not watching you and madam, when you are doing your 'doggy stuff' sha!

Secure and even Encrypt your data stream please. Its your privacy and your right



Lastpage!

brabus:


You don't need any static ip bro. Get a very skillful network engineer with good NAT-ting Routing and Port forwarding skills and also have a good knowledge of Dynamic DNS. It's not so complicated.

And you have to be sure your ISP is not blocking some ports.

This is construction class.

That is it Bro.

You can actually use other ports that are not blocked, by "masking" then to the blocked ones and it appears as if the blocked ones, are the opened ones.

Sorry if l am derailing the thread though l think it is becoming part of construction for some time, to incorporate "Security" from the ground up.

My apologies for derailing.


Lastpage!

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twinskenny:



i am actually into structure company.. used to do that with my former company...

looking for the right link my brother..

Haa! The street is calling me back.

I don't have to shout here. Let's see what I can pull sha.

I did a lot with First Funds, Silverbird Mall, NuMetro Cinemas, The Hub Media, Protea Hotel, Ikeja, Apartments in Milverton, Ikoyi, Citylodge, Royal Cedars, Ceddi Mall, Abuja, Ogun State Government House, OPIC, Lastma Cams (first test cam at Maryland), Soul lounge cafe and so many others.

Omo, those are good old days o!

NL1960:


If something is not experimented, nobody will know if it is possible. Location matters in the cost of a building project. You can still start your project and give us a feedback on the cost. I studied the farmers in the village to know how they were managing little funds to build their houses and i learned something from their approach and cost savings measures. Finishing is relative and subjective. Somebody can buy a toilet set for 70k while another person will buy the one for 7k. Somebody can build a bungalow for N20m and somebody will laugh at the person and say that what the person built is useless because he had used N50m to build his own bungalow.

I was given this for the completion of my fencing and mouthing of gate. I used a total of 25k(10 bags of cement, water, sand, labour for molding) for the blocks that will be used to complete the fence.

QUOTATION OF FENCING MATERIAL
N6, 000 10 planks (600)
N 24,000 12 Workmen (2,000)
N 11,000 11 laborers (1,000)
N 40,000 25 Bags of cement (1,600)
N 1,000 5 pd wt of 3 inches nail (200)
N 4,800 4 length of 12 mm rod (1,200)
N 2,000 2 length of 10 mm rod (1,000)
N 8,000 1 Trip of gravel
N 1,000 half bundle of binding wire (1,000)
N 2,000 a day job of carpenter
N 2,000 a day job of iron bender
N 6,000 two trip of sand (3,000)
TOTAL N 107,000

Can you notice some 'abnormal' low prices in this quote?.

cost of building materials and labour is relative to location but i think the price of cement is too high, i bought dangote #1350 here in the north, ask them to explain more. i don't really know the size of what you're doing but why so many labourers/workmen? the quantity of cement and iron rods too seems too much just to mount a gate. get a second quote from an independent source if possible. i reread your post and noticed that you still have some sections of the fence to finish but still ask questions and get an independent quote. the prices for most things on the list seems ok if not even cheap (the iron rods seems underpriced). good luck

Please can anybody help with the following cost of materials in Abeokuta Obafemi owode local govt.
1. Cement
2. Sharp sand per tipper and how ton in one tipper.
3. Filling sand per tipper.
4.Grainte per tipper
5. Washed stone and finally 6" and 9" blocks.
Many thanks .

Babs612000:
Please can anybody help with the following cost of materials in Abeokuta Obafemi owode local govt.
1. Cement
2. Sharp sand per tipper and how ton in one tipper.
3. Filling sand per tipper.
4.Grainte per tipper
5. Washed stone and finally 6" and 9" blocks.
Many thanks .

If you want Ibadan prices for reference then please let me know.

abouzaid:
cost of building materials and labour is relative to location but i think the price of cement is too high, i bought dangote #1350 here in the north, ask them to explain more. i don't really know the size of what you're doing but why so many labourers/workmen? the quantity of cement and iron rods too seems too much just to mount a gate. get a second quote from an independent source if possible. i reread your post and noticed that you still have some sections of the fence to finish but still ask questions and get an independent quote. the prices for most things on the list seems ok if not even cheap (the iron rods seems underpriced). good luck

It is not really a quote. When i want to do any aspect, i normally tell my brother who has been handling the project to get the person to do an estimate. It is my brother that i send money to and he does not connive with them. He buys materials on need basis. Cement has actually come down. It is normally N1,950. It is in the village and the sellers are small time sellers and not those sellers that can buy 600 bags at once for resell. They might even be buying from those selling at N1400 to resell.

The reason i posted these prices is to highlight the point that location matters in a project and that an amount that cannot be used for instance in a place like Lagos to complete a project can be used in another location to complete the same project. Iam getting the sand and gravel from the village which is why it is cheap. People familiar with Edo North for instance will know of Okpella. It is the home of granite and so will be cheaper there. I intend to take pictures of my gate when i go home and show it here and then tell people to guess the price.

As i said earlier, i studied how the farmers were able to achieve building bungalows to house them and their families without having all the millions in their pockets. There is no 'money for foundation', 'money for decking', 'money for roofing', 'money for offloading materials' in the villages. These are serious savings that is put back into the project.

Btw, did you notice that there is no transport on the list and yet there is a gate and fence railings that will be brought to the site for this work. Transport na FOC now. Just buy sheppe for boys and your gate and fence railings will be at your site in a twinkle of an eye. The same thing happened for my water tank stand for a duplex. Even standing it, there was no crane used.

EgunMogaji:


If you want Ibadan prices for reference then please let me know.

Please kindly let me have for Ibadan there may not be much different in d prices.

abdulwastecx:
polystyrene fascia: a way to save cost and reduce load on a building

Thanks for this. I know this may not be too heavy but how strong is it and will the effects of our heavy rain, hot us and serious wind damage this? What kinda price are we looking a here?

Look forward to your response.

@twinskenny.
Thanks for this.
I already have security onsite.
I was just trying to gauge the advantages or disadvantages of doing this now or waiting till I do the major push in Mar/Apr.
thanks again

twinskenny:


if you dont have a security on site... you might just do he roofing for now, put in buglary proof and shelve the remaining aspect

@Haji

Thanks for this. These are the kinda responses that I am seeking.
The plastering wont be done till next year.
It's just the installation of the roof/doors, (windows + buglary).

I kinda like the idea of storing certain things on site once secured but I don't think its a chance I'd like to take in our current climate.

Again, thanks for the tips.

Much appreciated.

mufutau55:


If you are going to do the doors and windows with burglary and actually install and plastered them to the walls, then go for it.
But if not... defer them until later. But make sure you also have the burglary to secure all the windows and doors to secure the entrances.
By doing the above, you can actually buy stuffs and store them inside the building. Just my opinion.

Hajji M.