abdulwastecx:
Here is the polystyrene concrete fascia done on a renovated duplex.
perimeter of the house = 120m
cost of polystyrene per linear meters from poly industry in Abuja = N3950/m, ( 120 x 3950) = N474,000
cost of transportation = N65,000
cost of fixing = N96,000
cost of binding wire, black pipe and 10mm bar as nominal reinforcement

Nice. Lesser weight on structure.

The polystyrene fascia is cheaper ( about 40 - 50% is save ) compare to in situ fascia. it is a little bit more expensive than the more expensive than the precast ( due to cost of transportation and hanging)

It is relatively light weight resulting into no load on the structure.
It doesn't crack over a long period of time
It comes out better than the conventional method of concrete fascia construction since no formwork is used.
it can be done within a very short period of time ( it took us three days to do the hanging and the casting)
It last for a very long period of time due to its durability

EgunMogaji:


This comes up often.

Do you have the plan for the foundation and does it suit your purpose? If it does then if it was me I would then hire a structural person to take a look at its construction.

Like I told someone else before unless your purchase price includes the foundation then just consider it as free filling material for your new foundation.

Good luck.

thank you for your reply, the money paid include the foundation built. I will heed to your advice. thanks once again

Do you actually understand my comment.

Do you know what sob story actually means.

How did I take sides here.

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when "two people" are having issues, l think if you cannot contribute POSITIVELY, the best thing to do is to "stay out of it"....
...... not make snide remarks that show you are "blindly" taking sides.

Your comment above is completely unnecessary and reckless.

For @brag3 to have just quoted this post of his supplier, right in the middle of the current discussion, means there is 'more to it' than that quote (and reading the quote itself reveals a prior issue).
l personally dont know what went on between the two except for what @brag posted up there. So, l wont jump at it nor expect anyone to ...

Next time, l think it is proper to first ask questions and understand what is going on/what really occurred ...before pitching your tent.
You did not contribute anything to the "core issue" ..........but rather just made that your "impressionistic" comment!

"3rd party" Opinions on matters of grouse between two people, no matter the "overriding implicit interest", MUST be informed



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Edited: Mind you, l am not taking brief for either of the two parties simply because l dont have all the relevant information of what transpired.
Maybe with the passage of time, l will "be informed" of what happened but my comments should not be misinterpreted as condoning/defending or antagonising either party.

If you actually understand what sob story means you won't even comment on it.

I have not idea what transpired between you and your client and I don't wish to know.

All I was saying that you should grow a pair and not come on here and start begging like a desperado.

Thacts all. Your begging acts wrinks of desperation. Nothing else.

Please look up what sob story actually means.

smiley001:
Na wa for some ppl ooo. Something u av no knowledge of yet u still commented 'Why the Sob story' or 'Abi o '. And a post that wasn't even directed at u.

I believed dis was a personal thing btw the Moniker I quoted and I. And I didn't want to make it public and for d fact that I openly apologised didn't mean I wronged him or I was wrong becos I still av d chats wit me.

If u could read very well, u would see dat I removed d sentence I quoted from the post(reply to a response for price list of materials in ibadan) and in d post, there was something like 'watch out for a Nairaland supplier that may leave you hanging with a story at the last minute '. Which I want to believe it indirectly concerned me becos dis was exactly what happened btw us as I wasn't expecting such from him becos he even thanked me after d chats.

Also, I read from a post which stated he would watch the way he gives out recommendation on here due to what happened before. Dis isn't supposed supposed to supposed to be public if there weren't indirect negative comments at me.

Dis is exactly what transpired: I approached u to supply ur site which is a normal marketing skill after a while, we both agreed wit d terms and condition. I did d job and after a while u approached me for more supply in a bigger quantity like 6 times what I supplied before (laterite and granite) which to be frank I would definitely make so good money. And u even said even if my prices would be a bit higher Dan other vendors', u would still give me d job to do which which I appreciated and u even sent me recharge card money.

After, I indirectly refused d jobs. I told you I won't be chanced to do d jobs and dat he shld give it to someone else maybe his builder.


He den thanked me and also said He took my excuse as my right to refuse services which is very good in business practice but I shld know dat I wasn't dealing wit his builder but I was dealing wit him so I shld ignore his builder. Dat was all.

And all dis happened till 6th of October. I didn't av to apologise publicly if not for some indirect negative comments toward me even when I wasn't at fault and I'm still a small boy trying to raise a reasonable customer base.



Reason why I refused to take the Job: on d first supply to d site, I read it on d eyes of d builder dat he was highly interested in d supply though he didn't tell me such and I saw he was very powerful spiritually so, I needed to keep my head becos dis kind of scenario just happened to me where a nairalander contacted me for materials, but d guy he was using before got my number somewhere and threatened me but I refused to listen to d guy. Could u believe dat I had a very fatal accident on my way back from d delivery of d materials dat I nearly lost my life but thank God for my mother's prayers dat I survived, my right hand hasn't healed up till now with open scars dat everybody sees. I don't rilly use my right hand as before but d doctors said it would heal up wit time and it's almost 3 months now. Some Nairalander engineers dat engaged me of recent saw my right hand.


Pls let's always av core information about things before passing judgement.

For apologising openly didn't mean I was putting up a cry or a sorry story but I had to becos I was reading some indirect comments at me to negate my business which I didn't deserve.


Come and take more money, no thanks, give it to another person shouldn't call for indirect negative comments.





@EgunMogaji sir: I hereby apologise for anything I may av caused u pls do forgive me... For the fact that we didn't work on dis doesn't mean dat I can never work for u again becos CUSTOMERS are always right. I'm sorry sir.


Thanks all.

What supplier? Have u got me confused with someone else?

Do you need to go spec servers?

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when "two people" are having issues, l think if you cannot contribute POSITIVELY, the best thing to do is to "stay out of it"....
...... not make snide remarks that show you are "blindly" taking sides.

Your comment above is completely unnecessary and reckless.

For @brag3 to have just quoted this post of his supplier, right in the middle of the current discussion, means there is 'more to it' than that quote (and reading the quote itself reveals a prior issue).
l personally dont know what went on between the two except for what @brag posted up there. So, l wont jump at it nor expect anyone to ...

Next time, l think it is proper to first ask questions and understand what is going on/what really occurred ...before pitching your tent.
You did not contribute anything to the "core issue" ..........but rather just made that your "impressionistic" comment!

"3rd party" Opinions on matters of grouse between two people, no matter the "overriding implicit interest", MUST be informed



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Edited: Mind you, l am not taking brief for either of the two parties simply because l dont have all the relevant information of what transpired.
Maybe with the passage of time, l will "be informed" of what happened but my comments should not be misinterpreted as condoning/defending or antagonising either party.

brag3:
If you actually understand what sob story means you won't even comment on it.

I have not idea what transpired between you and your client and I don't wish to know.

All I was saying that you should grow a pair and not come on here and start begging like a desperado.

Thacts all. Your begging acts wrinks of desperation. Nothing else.

Please look up what sob story actually means.

My brother just stay off this issue, u may really not know the politics going on behind, so as not to be the odd man.

What u just explained was my own understanding of your comment. I don't think this place is the best platform to tender such ingratiating apologies.

It is always better to resolve issues privately.

brag3: Do you actually understand my comment.

Do you know what sob story actually means.

How did I take sides here.

brag3:
If you actually understand what sob story means you won't even comment on it.

I have not idea what transpired between you and your client and I don't wish to know.

All I was am saying (is) that you should grow a pair and not come on here and start begging like a desperado.

Thacts That's all. Your begging acts wrinks reeks of desperation. Nothing else.

Please look up what sob story actually means.

brag3: What supplier? Have u got me confused with someone else?

Do you need to go spec servers Savers?

Let me start from "bottom-Up".

1.) SpecSavers is a company that dispenses "correctional" Eye-Glasses.
If l am confused or confusing you with a supplier, then the problem IS NOT a "sight" issue and visiting Spec "Servers" cant be the solution. YOU... are confusing "sight' with "mind"!
...and let me add that it is not "Servers" ..but "Savers", as in SpecSavers!

2.) The guy was not "begging desperately"!
Between your English comprehension and written English, l still cant figure-out which is worse but certainly you are not in a position to refer me, when it comes to the Lexis, dictum and structure of the English language. I respectfully posit l am not in your league, on that level.
You were still likely attending "jele o'sinmi" when l graduated from Unilag in 1990. I have further participated in three convocations, as a graduand, in that same University but at higher levels, as well as in at least one other "Western" University.
I of-course, expose this with all sense of modesty.

There is a cliché which says "The customer is always right" .........and as such, if a customer is annoyed with his contractor, "apologizing repeatedly"..... until the customer is "soothed, softened and satisfied", is very much 'in-order'.

It does not infer desperation or begging, as you erroneously think.
You seem not to understand the difference between "an Apology", ... and "Begging".

3.) Since you think l dont know the meaning of "sob story", l would have expected you, after THREE POSTS, to at least give me a definition of it, from your own perspective.
Probably you have your own "special and different" definition of that phrase, who knows?

For the avoidance of doubt, that phrase is defined by the Oxford English Dictionary, as below:

Definition of sob story in English:
noun

informal
A story or explanation intended to make someone feel sympathy for the person relating it".

Example : Brag3 fell for every sob story he was told!
(If l dont understand "grammar", at least l know how to use the Dictionary!)

Taking that definition into context and in the light of your own statement as quoted below
"All I was saying (is) that you should grow a pair and not come on here and start begging like a desperado" ......

....No one is left in doubt as to what your intentions are.
You infer that he is:
(a) A coward (b) A desperado (c) A cheat, trying to get "undeserved sympathy", (d) and a Liar!

Now, the question every one needs to ask you is this: How does trying to "make-up" with ones customer, by apologising, ......MAKE YOU ANY OF THE ABOVE?


Finally, let me point out that you are not even the client in question, on that fall-out" .... yet here you are "crying more than the bereaved"?

I detest "unguarded arrogance, aloofness and a flippant tongue"!

I am not a builder/contractor (though l have built houses) neither am l looking for any favour here but l do appreciate it when someone humbles himself, to say sorry for whatever they might have done to another person.

My position is that we should not "recklessly inject ourselves" into a fall-out between two people, in a manner that tends to inflame the situation..... especially if we are neither invited nor warranted.


Thank you.




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exactly my point bro.
he did not need to come on here and let every tom dick and harry know he is sorry.
he could have done that privately and let us use the forum for discussions.
why come and apologise here when it is a private matter.

some people dont understand simple comments and always wish to blow things out of context

johnson232:

My brother just stay off this issue, u may really not
know the politics going on behind, so as not to be the odd man.

What u just explained was my own understanding of your comment. I don't think this place is the best platform to tender such ingratiating apologies.

It is always better to resolve issues privately.

brag3:
exactly my point bro.
he did not need to come on here and let every tom dick and harry know he is sorry.
he could have done that privately and let us use the forum for discussions.
why come and apologise here when it is a private matter.

some people dont understand simple comments and always wish to blow things out of context

Bros there was a part where he said he was blocked on WhatsApp and had no other way to reach his client.

But its alright.. Sir Lastpage and Sir Brag3 please let it go. I'm begging o.. Let's focus on Polystyrene facial..

This no be big deal. simple things

Moi has forgotten already

KolaShangOne:


Bros there was a part where he said he was blocked on WhatsApp and had no other way to reach his client.

But its alright.. Sir Lastpage and Sir Brag3 please let it go. I'm begging o.. Let's focus on Polystyrene facial..

@abdulwastecx When I added the costs, I arrived at about 5700 per sqm for the Polystyrene fascia.. How much does the in-situ fascia cost per sqm so that we can compare?

speaking of polystyrene facial, I am very interested in this but it does seem more expensive than the other paraphets. I wrongly assumed it was a much cheaper option. Am I mistaken?

KolaShangOne:


Bros there was a part where he said he was blocked on WhatsApp and had no other way to reach his client.

But its alright.. Sir Lastpage and Sir Brag3 please let it go. I'm begging o.. Let's focus on Polystyrene facial..

brag3:
This no be big deal. simple things

Moi has forgotten already

Thanks and God bless you

brag3:
speaking of polystyrene facial, I am very interested in this but it does seem more expensive than the other paraphets. I wrongly assumed it was a much cheaper option. Am I mistaken?

I don't think one of its main advantages is cost.. I'm still waiting for Abdulwastecx to clear the air. For me, it has to be reduction in weight, and flexibility ( it can be used for houses with no columns )
Disadvantage is the joining.. It doesn't look good on d eye when it's being joined..

Is the finished article pleasing on the eye?
Can one spot the difference a mile off or is it hard to tell the difference? Is it a strong enough to resist our hard weather conditions? heavy rain and ghastly winds?

KolaShangOne:

I don't think one of its main advantages is cost.. I'm still waiting for Abdulwastecx to clear the air. For me, it has to be reduction in weight, and flexibility ( it can be used for houses with no columns )
Disadvantage is the joining.. It doesn't look good on d eye when it's being joined..

KolaShangOne:


Bros there was a part where he said he was blocked on WhatsApp and had no other way to reach his client.

But its alright.. Sir Lastpage and Sir Brag3 please let it go. I'm begging o.. Let's focus on Polystyrene facial..

If you use this in or near Ibadan I would like to see it directly.

I really like the look but not the cost of the real deal.

Thanks.

brag3:
speaking of polystyrene facial, I am very interested in this but it does seem more expensive than the other paraphets. I wrongly assumed it was a much cheaper option. Am I mistaken?

Likewise me, the polystyrene fascia even seem more expensive to me, as I can see some concrete casting in the pics posted above. As regards weight, I don't think the difference is going to be much. I just see it as a covering material, same as precast concrete fascia, but I think polystyrene is more expensive.

Using Concrete fascia on buildings seems more cheaper(in-situ) rather than importing precast,though i see nothing why one shouldn't make use of Polystyrene,with regards to durability,protective coatings and it's lightweighedness,i do prefer making use of fascial even in my designs, take a look at this Four bedroom i designed for a client,The facial looks outstanding..it's cost it's minimal..

Please Please,We all are here to air our view based on Building related issues,and not to engage ourselves on a mere altecations,when you have issues,iron it off the forum.cc.all

it is well... people can read mind sha..

no wahala..

brag3:
exactly my point bro.
he did not need to come on here and let every tom dick and harry know he is sorry.
he could have done that privately and let us use the forum for discussions.
why come and apologise here when it is a private matter.

some people dont understand simple comments and always wish to blow things out of context

I didn't just come here to apologise. Dis issue happened like 2 weeks ago privately and I tot it had ended there but now coming on here to read INDIRECT NEGATIVE COMMENTS dat i didnt deserve from my customer made me come here and threw everything public so dat ppl on here would rilly know wot went wrong.

And I didn't apologise to get d jobs back but only did so dat d indirect negative comments at me would stop becos I didn't deserve it.

when u tot he understood ur explanation and also thanked u after d chat... D least things I expected were dos indirect negative remarks. Dat means he's ready to pull u down at all cost which I actually didn't understand and didn't even deserve.
But had to take to a yoruba adage... Dats y I apologised.

KolaShangOne:


Bros there was a part where he said he was blocked on WhatsApp and had no other way to reach his client.

But its alright.. Sir Lastpage and Sir Brag3 please let it go. I'm begging o.. Let's focus on Polystyrene facial..

Its all well Sir, am good and am sure Brag is, as well.

One Love!



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KolaShangOne:

I don't think one of its main advantages is cost.. I'm still waiting for Abdulwastecx to clear the air.
For me, it has to be reduction in weight, and flexibility ( it can be used for houses with no columns, houses on "very poor soil" as well! )
Disadvantage is the joining.. It doesn't look good on d eye when it's being joined..

I think with time, we will develop methods for joining it without the present challenges.


Joining of all those decorative edges of the window Sill, "half-way belt" and decorative pillars does not used to be this "easy and clean", some years back but now, the knowledge has become "advanced and refined", over and over again.

That the option has been developed is in itself, a major leap forward.

Like anything "new thing", the first people to adopt it will make their money off it though their production process might not always be the best such that it is Capital-intensive .... this they would get over, with time and thus lower their selling price.


"Competition" will as well, lower the price, going forward.


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smiley001:


I didn't just come here to apologise. Dis issue happened like 2 weeks ago privately and I tot it had ended there but now coming on here to read INDIRECT NEGATIVE COMMENTS dat i didnt deserve from my customer made me come here and threw everything public so dat ppl on here would rilly know wot went wrong.

And I didn't apologise to get d jobs back but only did so dat d indirect negative comments at me would stop becos I didn't deserve it.

@Smiley, Pls let it "rest" now
Your point has been clearly made ..... and understood. .


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@Smiley, Pls let it "rest" now Your point has been clearly made ..... and understood. .

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Thanks sir.

johnson232:

Likewise me, the polystyrene fascia even seem more expensive to me, as I can see some concrete casting in the pics posted above. As regards weight, I don't think the difference is going to be much. I just see it as a covering material, same as precast concrete fascia, but I think polystyrene is more expensive.

There is no way to avoid casting concrete which is called the roof beam. Whether casting insitu fascia or no fascia at all, roof beam is absolutely important. That is what the rafters are tied on and it evenly distributes the entire roof's upward (lift) and downward (weight) forces.

The weight of cast insitu fascia is very significant and introduces a torsional force on the roof beam and likewise load carrying walls. It will be dangerous if that wall or roof beam is not strong enough to withstand the overhang weight of the facial.

I have seen a failed in situ fascia aka parapet.

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I think with time, we will develop methods for joining it without the present challenges.


Joining of all those decorative edges of the window Sill, "half-way belt" and decorative pillars does not used to be this "easy and clean", some years back but now, the knowledge has become "advanced and refined", over and over again.

That the option has been developed is in itself, a major leap forward.

Like anything "new thing", the first people to adopt it will make their money off it though their production process might not always be the best such that it is Capital-intensive .... this they would get over, with time and thus lower their selling price.


"Competition" will as well, lower the price, going forward.


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I concur that it will only get better.

Now they even make roof coverings onsite.

please I need hookup for interlocking stone oooo. make una help a brother here.

adanny01:


There is no way to avoid casting concrete which is called the roof beam. Whether casting insitu facial or no facial at all, roof beam is absolutely important. That is what the rafters are tied on and it evenly distributes the entire roof's upward (lift) and downward (weight) forces.

The weight of cast insitu facial is very significant and introduces a torsional force on the roof beam and likewise load carrying walls. It will be dangerous if that wall or roof beam is not strong enough to withstand the overhand weight of the facial.

I have seen a failed in situ facial aka parapet.

Thanks for the explanation sir, so one just need to attach the polystyrene to the roof beam. Does it require much columns like other parapet? Cc: abdulwastecx

EgunMogaji:


I concur that it will only get better.

Now they even make roof coverings onsite.

I am thinking a time will come when the manufacturers of this "Polystrene fascia" will incorporate the wires needed to hang it, into the Poly product, as it is being manufactured.

What l see in that picture is a "crude method" (no disrespect to those who are pioneering this effort) of hanging it.

In my mind, when that times comes, the amount of concrete needed to hold it up on the roof will be very minimal afterall, it does not contribute anything to the beauty or stability of the product.

Just a very small ( say 3-4inches square) line of strong Cement or Concrete, laid along the roof-brickwall and the wires embedded into it.

Right now, l can even picture some alternative method of hanging it in my mind since the weight is negligible.

I am sure @abdulwacstex is already thinking about it, that man sharp nor be small!


Fingers crossed.


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I am thinking a time will come when the manufacturers of this "Polystrene fascia" will incorporate the wires needed to hang it, into the Poly product, as it is being manufactured.

What l see in that picture is a "crude method" (no disrespect to those who are pioneering this effort) of hanging it.

In my mind, when that times comes, the amount of concrete needed to hold it up on the roof will be very minimal afterall, it does not contribute anything to the beauty or stability of the product.

Just a very small ( say 3-4inches square) line of strong Cement or Concrete, laid along the roof-brickwall and the wires embedded into it.

Right now, l can even picture some alternative method of hanging it in my mind since the weight is negligible.

I am sure @abdulwacstex is already thinking about it, that man sharp nor be small!


Fingers crossed.


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Dat @abdulwacstex guy is over brilliant, I want to know wot he came out of d UNI wit.


Surely, he's going to bring up some ideas by tomoro.