lexiconkabir:
lmaoooo , you asked a question, i gave an irrefutable answer you tagged me confused? man you are such a clown, you should be in papa ajasco and company . As regards the embolden, your problem is, you dont read with discernment, when did i exhibit your claim?

do you believe in the bible passage you quote?

malvisguy212:
do you believe in the bible passage you quote?

i dont think this have anything to do with the op, i answered the op with the buybull, you cant counter my answer, shikena!

Jummymine:
I can sympathize with the plight of Christians who can only understand that any special thing about Jesus can only mean that he is God! It's due to years of indoctrination. However, as I said earlier, it means nothing, if you understand God. As Islaam teaches us, He does that He wills. If he had a virgin give birth to a Son, so be it. It increases me as a Muslim in awe of Him, not make me start worshipping that creature of HIs. Especially now that we realise that human beings have made similar stuff in the labs, and the same happens in the lower animals regularly, very regularly in nature.
The sun is an awesome creature, so is the Moon, but Allaah says, "Do not bow down to the Sun, nor the Moon, but bow down to Him who has created them, if indeed you would be worshippers."

Here we see God interrupting the course of nature, and overriding the very laws of procreation that he had himself established, in order that Christ might thus have a virgin-birth. Why? Surely such an act could not have been without meaning. It points to the profound truth that Jesus Christ held a very special RELATIONSHIP With the ONE WHO IS BEHIND ALL THIS MIRACLE.
Brother, sorry o! Indeed Muslims believe Jesus is special among God's creation. He was among the five greatest humans (Prophet) that walked on earth. That is where the "specialty" is. If you can free up your mind a bit, you'll realise that being special cannot mean being God by default. Infact we Muslims call Moses Kaleemullaah (He who speaks directly with God), it was special about him. We wouldn't worship him or turn him into Gods son because of that.
Yes Jesus was born miraculously, but he yet did even more ordinary things. He used to weep and cry for breastmilk as a babay, such breast and mess his nappy with poo just like you did. he ed to get hungry just as you do, and his shit used to smell, just as yours does. He had faces located in his intestines just like you do. He used to get tired, feel pain, eat bread and figs just as you would do. His mouth used to have odour in the mornings just as yours does, and he needed a toothstick to clean t just like you. If this does not "ordinarilize" him enough for you, sorry i can't help you. Only in Allaah's hands is Guidance.

Note the last part of these quoted verses in Qur'aan 3:38-48, "This is of the tidings of things unseen which WE reveal to thee. And thou was not with them when they cast their arrows, as to which of them should be the guardian of Mary, nor was thou with them when they disputed with one another. When the angels said, 'O Mary, ALLAH gives thee glad tidings of a son through a WORD FROM HIM; his name shall be the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, honoured in this world and in the next, and of those who are granted nearness to God; 'And he shall speak to the people in the cradle, and when of middle age, and he shall be of the righteous. She said, 'My Lord, how shall I have a son, when no man has touched me? He said, 'Such is the way of ALLAH. HE creates what HE pleases. When HE decrees a thing HE says to it ‘Be,’ and it is;"—


Note that we must enter discussions, even religious ones with clear eyes and deep thought, not just to come and regurgitate what so-and-so said. We MUST NOT GIVE IN TO ABUSIVE LANGUAGE, INSULTS AND THE LIKES. IT IS UNBEFITTING FOR PEOPLE OF REASON AND ADULTS. I PRAY ALLAAH GUIDES THE LOST.

the verse you
Quoted indicate Jesus is a WORD FROM GOD.
For the Quran to identify Jesus as a Spirit and a Word from God who was committed to Mary indicates that he was with God even before he was given to her. It is the closest the Quran comes to admitting the pre-existence of Jesus before his conception on earth. The lack of any explanation of its significance, however, suggests that Muhammad heard and adopted Christian teachings and titles applying to Jesus without understanding them or seeing their ominous implications that Jesus was more than a prophet. Jesus was a Spirit before he came to earth as a human. The Bible, in no uncertain term, testifies to this divine truth:

John 16:28: “I came out from the
Father and have come into the world.
Further, I am leaving the world and
am going my way to the Father.”

If Jesus was spoken in Quran as “The
Word of God” and as “A Spirit from
God” then these two statements would
make Jesus more than a prophet
because no man can be called by such
titles. Such titles would be appropriate
only for the one who is the unique Son
of God.

lexiconkabir:
i dont think this have anything to do with the op, i answered the op with the buybull, you cant counter my answer, shikena!

how can you provide evidence from a book you do not believe in it ?

malvisguy212:
how can you provide evidence from a book you do not believe in it ?

do you believe in the quran?

Quoted indicate Jesus is a WORD FROM GOD.

I think the problem with many is that they cannot understand the meaning of "a word from God". The word of God is His Command, which is "Be", His act of willing something to happen, exist or come into being. This same words are used in the Qur'aan very often. For instance when Allaah was talking about the way earlier people's corrupted Allaah's messages through His earlier Prophets, Allaah used the same words "a word from Him". Allaah says in the Qur'aan, "If it were not for a Word that proceeded from him, the issues (of distortion) would have been sorted out for them." That shows that the Word here is His command. this is further clarified where Allaah says in the Qur'aan 16:40 that, "Verily, our Word unto a thing when We intend it, is only that We say unto it, "Be", and it is."

Concerning the fixation of some on the fact that Jesus is referred to as "a spirit from me" or "my spirit", that is not perculiar to Jesus (pbuh). All spirit part of man is from God, and is God's in the same way that the earth is from him of His'. Allaah says in the Qu'aan 38: 72-74, while describing the creation of Adam, "Behold, thy Lord said to the angels: "I am about to create man from clay: "When I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and breathed into him of My spirit, fall ye down in obeisance unto him." So the angels prostrated themselves, all of them together:
Not so Iblis: he was haughty, and became one of those who reject Faith."
Here, Adam had God's spirit breathed into him. Does this make him God or of God?! No. It's quite simple, if one understands English or Arabic.




Allaah says in the Qur'aan 5: 72-75, " They do blaspheme who say: "(Allah) is Christ the son of Mary." But said Christ: "O Children of Israel! worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." Whoever joins other gods with Allah,- Allah will forbid him the garden, and the Fire will be his abode. There will for the wrong-doers be no one to help. They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them. Why turn they not to Allah, and seek His forgiveness? For Allah is Oft- forgiving, Most Merciful. Christ the son of Mary was no more than an apostle; many were the apostles that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how Allah doth make His signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded away from the truth!"

lexiconkabir:
do you believe in the quran?

you must be kidding, right? Have I ever trying to preach using the quran? When I ever I quote from the quran, I exposed islam.

malvisguy212:
you must be kidding, right? Have I ever trying to preach using the quran? When I ever I quote from the quran, I exposed islam.

And when did i try preaching through the bible? i quoted that verse to expose you and lieman2012.

Jummymine:
Quoted indicate Jesus is a WORD FROM GOD.

I think the problem with many is that they cannot understand the meaning of "a word from God". The word of God is His Command, which is "Be", His act of willing something to happen, exist or come into being. This same words are used in the Qur'aan very often. For instance when Allaah was talking about the way earlier people's corrupted Allaah's messages through His earlier Prophets, Allaah used the same words "a word from Him". Allaah says in the Qur'aan, "If it were not for a Word that proceeded from him, the issues (of distortion) would have been sorted out for them." That shows that the Word here is His command. this is further clarified where Allaah says in the Qur'aan 16:40 that, "Verily, our Word unto a thing when We intend it, is only that We say unto it, "Be", and it is."

Concerning the fixation of some on the fact that Jesus is referred to as "a spirit from me" or "my spirit", that is not perculiar to Jesus (pbuh). All spirit part of man is from God, and is God's in the same way that the earth is from him of His'. Allaah says in the Qu'aan 38: 72-74, while describing the creation of Adam, "Behold, thy Lord said to the angels: "I am about to create man from clay: "When I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and breathed into him of My spirit, fall ye down in obeisance unto him." So the angels prostrated themselves, all of them together:
Not so Iblis: he was haughty, and became one of those who reject Faith."
Here, Adam had God's spirit breathed into him. Does this make him God or of God?! No. It's quite simple, if one understands English or Arabic.




Allaah says in the Qur'aan 5: 72-75, " They do blaspheme who say: "(Allah) is Christ the son of Mary." But said Christ: "O Children of Israel! worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." Whoever joins other gods with Allah,- Allah will forbid him the garden, and the Fire will be his abode. There will for the wrong-doers be no one to help. They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them. Why turn they not to Allah, and seek His forgiveness? For Allah is Oft- forgiving, Most Merciful. Christ the son of Mary was no more than an apostle; many were the apostles that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how Allah doth make His signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded away from the truth!"

if you want to discuss with me, come out and quote me.


If your explanation is true, then why is Adam not called the “Word of God”? If the title “Word of God” is given because of God’s means of bringing an individual into existence by the utterance of the word “Be,” then don’t you think it is more appropriate for Adam to receive this title as he was the first man to be created in this manner? The Qur’an identifies only TWO persons by name to be created in this manner by the utterance of the word, “Be.” The first
was Adam and the second, Jesus. YET,
Adam was not called the “Word of God”
in the Quran. Even though, like Jesus, he had no human father, yet he is not
known as the “Word of God.” Neither are the angels nor any other creatures are given this title. In the Quran, Jesus alone is called the Word of God.The title
applies to Jesus ALONE. Why ? How do you reconcile someone being call "word of God" ,"spirit of God" and" son of God?"

lexiconkabir:
And when did i try preaching through the bible? i quoted that verse to expose you and lieman2012.

you did not quote to expose me , you quote to make your truth stand.

malvisguy212:
you did not quote to expose me , you quote to make your truth stand.

exactly! To make my truth stand i have to expose your lies. savvy?!

Qurran's Reference is a Testimony to Jesus'(Isah's) "Human and Spirit Being"!!!! Islam's record is even more detailed. Here, Islam is proving that God(Allah) is Omnipotent, Omniscient, Omnipresent and Omnieverything. Islam believes that the God(Allah) who moulded Adam and Eve, the fore parents of sins, preserved Mary, daughter of Imran, niece of Zachariah, as a peculiar Virgin for Him to come through to the world to redeem us. And that, thesame God(Allah) is all capable of representing Himself everywhere, anywhere, anyhow and anytime and in you and I, in Buhari, Obama, Markel, Putin etc, in assemblies, Mosques, Churches, schools etc. God(Allah) sends Angels everywhere. The Will in those Angels is God's and God(Allah) is those Angels. Islam and the Qurran have prefected all these. The only problem of Islam that I observe is their Confusion in understanding the Spirit of Peace. May God(Allah) grant them proper understanding to know the Spirits of Peace and Love!!!!

orisa37:
Islam believes that the God(Allah) who moulded Adam and Eve, the fore parents of sins, preserved Mary, daughter of Imran, niece of Zachariah, as a peculiar Virgin for Him to come through to the world to redeem us. And that, thesame God(Allah) is all capable of representing Himself everywhere, anywhere, anyhow and anytime and in you and I, in Buhari, Obama, Markel, Putin etc, in assemblies, Mosques, Churches, schools etc. God(Allah) sends Angels everywhere. The Will in those Angels is God's and God(Allah) is those Angels. Islam and the Qurran have prefected all these. The only problem of Islam that I observe is their Confusion in understanding the Spirit of Peace. May God(Allah) grant them proper understanding to know the Spirits of Peace and Love!!!!

back up the embolden especially the underlined with a quranic evidence.

orisa37:
Qurran's Reference is a Testimony to Jesus'(Isah's) "Human and Spirit Being"!!!! Islam's record is even more detailed. Here, Islam is proving that God(Allah) is Omnipotent, Omniscient, Omnipresent and Omnieverything. Islam believes that the God(Allah) who moulded Adam and Eve, the fore parents of sins, preserved Mary, daughter of Imran, niece of Zachariah, as a peculiar Virgin for Him to come through to the world to redeem us. And that, thesame God(Allah) is all capable of representing Himself everywhere, anywhere, anyhow and anytime and in you and I, in Buhari, Obama, Markel, Putin etc, in assemblies, Mosques, Churches, schools etc. God(Allah) sends Angels everywhere. The Will in those Angels is God's and God(Allah) is those Angels. Islam and the Qurran have prefected all these. The only problem of Islam that I observe is their Confusion in understanding the Spirit of Peace. May God(Allah) grant them proper understanding to know the Spirits of Peace and Love!!!!

are you a muslims? I disagree with you, what has islam came to perfected? From the day God created Adam ,He created him with his ONE wife,this pattern of one wife is the idea God seth,but islam chose against this command , is this what islam came to perfected? Now I am very busy, I would've love to say more, view my thread and read it.

malvisguy212:
Jummymine
A whole Surah is named after her(Mary) Surah Maryam. In the Quran, NOT even EVE . the mother of the HUMAN RACE is
mentioned by name. What is the reason
for such exultation of Mary in the Quran? It is because of her significant
place in human history as the only
woman to bear a son while still a virgin.
And she play a significant role in raising the SON OF GOD.

Adam was the first man, God could not have create him with parents because he was the first, that how it supposed to be. But in the case of Jesus christ,he was born without a human father when God’s natural process of procreation had long been in existence. Here we see God interrupting the course of nature, and overriding the very laws of procreation that he had himself established, in order that Christ might
thus have a virgin-birth. Why? Surely
such an act could not have been without meaning. It points to the profound truth that Jesus Christ held a very special RELATIONSHIP With the ONE WHO IS BEHIND ALL THIS MIRACLE.

Surah 4:171: “The Messiah, Jesus son
of Mary, was (no more than) an
apostle of Allah, and His Word, which
He bestowed on Mary, and A SPIRIT
FROM HIM.”

The words used in Surah 4:171 are
ruhun-minhu, “ A SPIRIT FROM HIM.” thus the quran clearly say Jesus is A spirit from God, NO other prophet is adress like this in the quran, what is the reason Jesus is called " A SPIRIT FROM HIM"? No reason were given, is there any different in saying Jesus is the SON OF GOD and HE IS A SPIRIT FROM GOD ?

It is a shame that it is christians that are lecturing muslims on islam\quran.

Kudos guys.

truthman2012:


Ride on bro.

God bless you real good.

truthman2012 hope you are kool. Keep on the good work bro.

true2god:
truthman2012 hope you are kool. Keep on the good work bro.

Thank you ma broda. God bless you.

true2god:
It is a shame that it is christians that are lecturing muslims on islam\quran.

Kudos guys.

truthman2012:

Thank you ma broda. God bless you.

see them loosers

lexiconkabir:
see them loosers

Yes, we are loosers to allahh's lies and manipulations. We lost our way to hell. It will do you good if you join us.

truthman2012:


[s]Yes, we are loosers to allahh's lies and manipulations. We lost our way to hell. It will do you good if you join us.[/s]

awwww, very touching

lexiconkabir:
see them loosers

I know you have gain so much in this discussion. Don't let pride hinder you.

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malvisguy212:
I know you have gain so much in this discussion. Don't let pride hinder you.

what the hell is wrong with this guy, yes i gained alot by exposing and debunking the useless thread making people see what a liar you and your folks are, now get the hell outta my face! and brush your teeth.

lexiconkabir:
what the hell is wrong with this guy, yes i gained alot by exposing and debunking the useless thread making people see what a liar you and your folks are, now get the hell outta my face! and brush your teeth.

only this thread muslims debunk? Infacte,muslims have debunk All the threads on nairaland.

malvisguy212:
only this thread muslims debunk? Infacte,muslims have debunk All the threads on nairaland.

infact! not infacte. anyway if you feel i havent debunked the thread, why dont you counter my answer?

lexiconkabir:
infact! not infacte. anyway if you feel i havent debunked the thread, why dont you counter my answer?

were is your answer?

malvisguy212:
were is your answer?

check page 0 of this thread, its there! demmzy15, rilwayne001 i don taya for this guy fa.

lexiconkabir:
Allah(S.W.T) had to distinguish the jesus he was talking about, because many bore the name jesus, now before malvisguy212 and truthman2012 begin to open their brown teeth and ask for scriptural evidence lets see this verse, "So when the crowd had gathered, Pilate asked them, "Which one do you want me to release to you: J.ESUS BARABBAS, or Jesus who is called the Messiah?(NIV, Mattew27:17)" now barabbas first name is also jesus, although the king james bible dont have jesus infront of barabbas, but the NIV bible proves my point.

this is your only post you on page 0, is this the comment that debunk the op ? I don't know what to call you.
*you be real mallam sharif*

malvisguy212:
this is your only post you on page 0, is this the comment that debunk the op ? I don't know what to call you.
*you be real mallam sharif*

lmaooo , rebutte my answer!

lexiconkabir:
infact! not infacte. anyway if you feel i havent debunked the thread, why dont you counter my answer?

Swallow your pride.

English is not our mother tongue. All we need is the idea.

truthman2012:


Swallow your pride.

English is not our mother tongue. All we need is the idea.

Did i make jest of him? i only corrected him so he wont make such mistake again, how i'm i at fault? oldman, get the hell outta my face!

lexiconkabir:
Did i make jest of him? i only corrected him so he wont make such mistake again, how i'm i at fault? oldman, get the hell outta my face!

Lol!!!