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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by superstar1(m): 10:56pm On Nov 01, 2015
Ise l'ogun ise
Mura s'ise ore mi
Ise la fi n'deni giga

Bi a ko ba reni feyin ti
Bi ole la'nri
Bi a ko ba reni gbekele
A tera mo'se eni

Iya re le lowo lowo
Baba re le lesin lekan
Bi o ba gbo'ju lewon
O te tan ni mo so fun o

Ohun ti a ko ba ji'ya fun
Se kii le pe lowo
Ohun ti a ba fara sise fun
Nii pe lowo eni

Apa lara
Egunpa niyekan
B'aye ba n'fe o loni
Bi o ba lowo lowo
Aye a ma fe o lola
Tabi ki o wa ni'po atata
Aye a ma ye o si terinterin
Je k'o de'ni tin rago
Aye a ma yinmu si o

Eko si'nso ni d'oga
Mura ki o ko dara dara
Bi o si r'opo eniyan
Ti won f'eko s'erin rinrin
Dakun ma f'ara we won

Iya n'bo fun'omo ti ko gbon
Ekun n'be fun'omo to nsa kiri

Ma f'owuro sere ore mi
Mura si'se ojo'nlo.

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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Shymm3x: 10:56pm On Nov 01, 2015
IlekeHD:
This guy is currently trending on facebook


When New York artist Kehinde Wiley, 38, looked at famous paintings of the past, he noticed something very unsettling. It was all so…very…VERY…white.

“If you look at the paintings that I love in art history, these are the paintings where great, powerful men are being celebrated on the big walls of museums throughout the world,” Wiley told CBS News. “What feels really strange is not to be able to see a reflection of myself in that world.”

So Wiley decided to take matters into his own hands. His artwork features men of color who are wearing street dress. . . but painted in classical styles, often resembling the great paintings we all know from history. It all started when he found a mug shot on the street. Wiley was chilled by the revelation that this is how black men are too often represented in images- as criminals. “It crystallized something that I’d been thinking about for a very long time, which is that black men have been given very little in this world, and that I as an artist have the power and the potential and the will to do something about it,” he told CBS.

http://hellogiggles.com/kehinde-wiley-artist/

That's my nyggah - I already posted his profile on here. And I did make a thread about his paintings months ago but it never made FP cos he's Yoruba. grin

The guy is supremely talented.
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by IlekeHD: 10:58pm On Nov 01, 2015
razid:

So funny. grin I remember a time I wanted to do that with my kids using my phone. My first daughter just came the second night, took my phone and hid it somewhere. I was so troubled that day. It was when she woke up around 6am that she eventually returned my phone. That was the last time I tried it with them. grin grin grin

lmaoooo grin grin grin You must be a relaxed fun-loving dad. grin

superstar1:

Is that Alawiye by JF Ofunjo or a primary school poem or rhyme?


No, it's different.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mT3oLvmSyUU
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by IlekeHD: 11:00pm On Nov 01, 2015
Shymm3x:


That's my nyggah - I already posted his profile on here. And I did make a thread about his paintings months ago but it never made FP cos he's Yoruba. grin

The guy is supremely talented.

Dude, some of his paintings cost $400k.

He can paint me for all I care grin

Of course it won't hit FB, but let it be one archaic mediocre battery stove, it'll hit FB.
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by IlekeHD: 11:03pm On Nov 01, 2015
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Shymm3x: 11:05pm On Nov 01, 2015
IlekeHD:


Dude, some of his paintings cost $400k.

He can paint me for all I care grin

Of course it won't hit FB, but let it be one archaic mediocre battery stove, it'll hit FB.

Lol. Don't mind the inconsequential bummy bigots who're the supermods of this forum. I swear I posted the names of the supermods on there and said this deserves FP. Do you know what they did? They edited my post and deleted where I referenced their names. I just laughed it off. These folks are petty.

This is the thread: https://www.nairaland.com/2358591/amazing-naturalistic-paintings-nigerian

His works are on display worldwide at big Arts Museums and he has MFA from Yale. He doesn't even need the bums on this forum. grin

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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by superstar1(m): 11:11pm On Nov 01, 2015
IlekeHD:
@superstar1


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6VkJehh3sE
7

That got me cracking.


cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy

She tried though.

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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by IlekeHD: 11:11pm On Nov 01, 2015
Shymm3x:


Lol. Don't mind the inconsequential bummy bigots who're the supermods of this forum. I swear I posted the names of the supermods on there and said this deserves FP. Do you know what they did? They edited my post and deleted where I referenced their names. I just laughed it off. These folks are petty.

This is the thread: https://www.nairaland.com/2358591/amazing-naturalistic-paintings-nigerian

His works are on display worldwide at big Arts Museums and he has MFA from Yale. He doesn't even need the bums on this forum. grin

Wowwww his art is awesome!!!!

They did the same thing with that Yoruba-Medical doctor possibly being the first African to go to space thread.

I'll post his pictures here, they're soo good.
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by IlekeHD: 11:14pm On Nov 01, 2015
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Shymm3x: 11:14pm On Nov 01, 2015
IlekeHD:


Wowwww his art is awesome!!!!

They did the same thing with that Yoruba-Medical doctor possibly being the first African to go to space thread.

I'll post his pictures here, they're soo good.

Lol.

Afam and Obino the phaggot with receding hairline and face of a down syndrome patient are the two biggest culprits. The two bums always have an agenda. Inconsequential loafers. grin

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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by IlekeHD: 11:17pm On Nov 01, 2015
Shymm3x:


Lol.

Afam and Obino the phaggot with receding hairline and face of a down syndrome patient are the two biggest culprits. The two bums always have an agenda. Inconsequential loafers. grin


So those are the mods huh.....explains a lot.

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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Shymm3x: 11:22pm On Nov 01, 2015
IlekeHD:


So those are the mods huh.....explains a lot.

There used to be a next one (1shilove or whatever the name of the sket that has been pressed by a few guys on here is) - but her dirty and smelly arse got sacked or something. They used to be the three musketeers. grin

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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by PrincessJaneDoe: 11:23pm On Nov 01, 2015
Shymm3x:


Lol.

Afam and Obino the [b]phaggot with receding hairline and face of a down syndrome patient [/b]are the two biggest culprits. The two bums always have an agenda. Inconsequential loafers. grin


You are so getting banned for this cheesy cheesy cheesy
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Shymm3x: 11:32pm On Nov 01, 2015
PrincessJaneDoe:


You are so getting banned for this cheesy cheesy cheesy

Lol.

I don't care about their ban. Being worried about that would amount to letting inconsequential folks have dominion over me. Not happening. I don't get paid for posting and I'm exercising freedom of speech (what the yanks call 1st amendment). grin
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 12:41am On Nov 02, 2015
CASE FOR IDEOLOGICAL ORIENTATION - BY CHIEF OBAFEMI AWOLOWO

Down the ages, several political isms have vied with one another for popular acceptances: feudalism, anarchism, capitalism, syndicalism, socialism, trotskyism, etc. Only two of these isms have survived the age-long contest and are at all worth considering in this lecture.


Capitalism is an economic system, which is founded on the principle of free enterprise and the private ownership of the means of production and distribution. The protagonists of capitalism claim that its essential characteristic is economic freedom. The producer is free to produce whatever goods he fancies; but the consumer is equally free to buy what he wants. There is a market mechanism under this system, which brings the producer and consumer together and tends to equate the supplies of the one to the demands of the other, and harmonise the whims and caprice of both. It is this same market mechanism, which determines what prices the same market mechanism, which determines what prices the consumers pay to the producers as well as what share of the total output, in cash or in kind, goes to each of the four recognised factors of production - e.g. Land, Labour, Capital and Organisation. It is further claimed for this system that every person is capable of watching his or her own interest, and that whatever injustice may appear in the short run to have been done by the operations of the market mechanism, in the long run this mechanism tends to bring about a state of equilibrium between the producers and consumers as well as among the factors of production, and to give to each of them a just and adequate treatment and reward.

I do not think it is necessary, at this point of time, and especially to this scholarly audience, to set out the theoretical arguments against these claims. It is enough to asserts that economic history has shown that the market mechanism, otherwise known as the mechanism of supply and demand, is a blind and utterly impersonal social apparatus, within the framework of which the strong, clever, and unethical few have, more often than not, taken undue advantage of the many who are weak.

Capitalism is at its best when it is planless. But in these modern times, the laissez faire type of capitalism is now restricted mainly to most of the undeveloped countries in Africa and Latin America. But in many parts of the so-called Western Democracies, the state has been intervening to smooth some of the rough and inhuman edges of capitalism. Anti-monopoly laws, which in practice, it must be admitted, have proved ineffective, trade union law, minimum wage law, factory legislation, tax laws, death duties, finance measures, social and insurance laws - all these and more are some of the means by which many modern states have stepped in to regulate and humanise capitalist activities.
By these means the state, in a capitalist society, has to some extent helped in directing the operations of the market mechanism in all its ramifications, and in particular in regulating the distribution of national income among the factors of production in order to ensure a state of affairs, which is nearer to equity and equilibrium than is the case under a laissez faire capitalist system.

Negatively, socialism is opposed to capitalism. But positively, it is firmly rooted in the principles of public ownership of the means of production, distribution and exchange and of economic planning. One of its cardinal aims is that every labourer - be he a professor, lecturer, teacher, minister of religion, minister of state, civil servant, lawyer, doctor, engineer, farmer, road worker, or carrier - shall get his or her due hire, and that no one, however, powerful or specially circumstanced, shall get any more than that. Socialism seeks to bring the ennobling principles of ethics to bear upon the operation of economic forces.

Consequently, it may be said that the overriding aim of Socialism is to bring about an economic commonwealth in which the needs of all, regardless of birth and station in life, as opposed to and distinct from the profit-making desires of some, will be satisfied. In other words, under Socialism, the aim is that capacity shall have its adequate reward, but also that those who, for any cause, are incapacitated from, or have not yet grown up enough to participate in productive activities shall not, on that account, suffer misery.
I am not a Marxist myself. But what Marx says in this connection and which is true, is well worth bearing in mind by those who plan for the welfare of the people. 'Under the capitalist system,' says Marx, 'the economic nexus between man and man is wholly dominated by naked self-interest.'

To even up, I would like to refer to what Adam Smith says on the same point from an opposite standpoint. Says he: 'Every individual is led by an invisible hand (that is self-interest) to promote an end (that is the common good), which was not part of his intention.
To sum up in well-known socialist slogans, the aims of Socialism include social justice, equal opportunity for all, respect for human dignity, and the welfare and happiness of all, regardless of creed, parentage, and station in life. In other words, under socialism the nexus between man and man is wholly dominated by equality and fraternity and by the needs of the under-privileged.

There are two kinds of socialism: revolutionary socialism and democratic socialism. Revolutionary Socialism is what is generally known as Communism. Its aims are the same as those of democratic socialism. But the orientation of the communist is different from that of the democratic socialist. This difference in orientation consists in the divergent method of approach to the realisation of socialist ideals. The communist believes that the political power of the state as well as the economic power of the capitalists should be seized by revolutionary actions, and that in their places 'dictatorship of the proletariat' should be established.

It is common knowledge that the capitalists, who are invariably in control of a capitalist state, will not yield ground to the communists without the stiffest possible resistance. The communists, on the other hand, are inflexibly determined to break any such resistance at all costs. Result: the prelude to the advent of communism in the countries where this system is practised has always been a bloody revolution.
On the other hand, the democratic socialist believes, and sincerely so, that the ends of socialism can be attained by democratic means. The essence of democracy, however, is the consent of the majority, which shall be expressed freely, and without any form of coercion. Since the cornerstone of socialism is the conversion of private ownership of the means of production, distribution and exchange, to public ownership, it follows that under democratic socialism such conversion cannot be done wholesale in one fell swoop. It also follows that every conversion, when made, shall be accompanied by the payment of fair compensation.

There are those who believe that revolutionary socialism is preferable to democratic socialism. In the one case, the action is said to be quick, and the new era is ushered in, in all the sectors of the economy without much delay. In the other, processes of debate, persuasion and negotiation are considered cumbersome and slow, and easily liable to sabotage by the capitalists, who are very agile and ruthless in bargaining, and who will have no qualm of conscience whatsoever in perverting the electorate, if need be, against the latter's own best judgement and interests.

All those who have read their history aright will agree that the bringing about of revolutionary socialism can also be protracted as well as a bloody business. What is more, the inevitable consequences of the venomous hate, violence and carnage which, preceded the advent of revolutionary socialism are, in my humble opinion, so horrible and sickening that they should never be generated by mere doctrinaire imitations or propensities. The point must never be overlooked by the protagonists of revolutionary socialism, that it was the appalling conditions of the masses, in the face of a fabulously rich and tyrannical few, which existed in the countries of Russia (not any more) and China where communism now flourishes, that provoked a violent rebellion. This should not at all be surprising. For as Bacon says, 'rebellions are caused by two things: much-poverty much-discontent; rebellion of the belly is the worst.' It must be frankly admitted, therefore, that the communist revolution in Russia and in China is historically justified. It must be plainly 'the rebellion of the belly.'

Speaking for my party and myself, I hold the view that the conditions of masses in Nigeria, though very bad in some parts of the federation, are not yet so degrading as to provoke a rebellion or violent revolution. In the circumstances, it is the considered view of my party that the ideals of socialism can be realised in Nigeria by waging a battle of words and wits, rather than by engaging in a clash of steel and an exchange of bullets. By adopting these democratic means, the struggle against the evil forces of capitalism might be protracted, and victory might be somewhat long delayed. But, in Nigerian circumstances, I think it is better so.
It is for all the reasons, which I have given, that my party has opted for democratic socialism. In the words of our Manifesto it is our resolve to:

"Build a democratic socialist society founded on the three principles of national greatness, the well-being of the individual, and international brotherhood. To achieve this socialist society,' the manifesto continues, 'we must realise the latent energy of our entire people, we must get rid of the dead-weight of feudalism, aristocracy and privilege. We must overcome the wastefulness and distraction of tribalism and social injustice. We must remove the crippling effect of a backward and over dependent economy. We must go forward into the mainstream of modern civilisation and world knowledge."

In concrete terms of the socialist ends, which my party sets out to achieve may be spelt out in detail as follows:

* The State will enter many sectors of the national economy now held by foreign investors.

* In the public sector of our national economy foreign aid will generally take the form of foreign loans to the state, in place of foreign private investments.

*Nigerian businessmen will be encouraged and assisted by the State to take over some fields of economic activity now monopolised by foreign investors.

*Nigerian private or State agencies will gradually have greater control over joint enterprises with combined foreign and Nigerian private capital.

*The growth of the private sector will be channelled within certain limits so that it does not lead to huge concentrations of capital in a few hands.

*As economic agents, the Nigerian farmers will be allowed to grow, but with limits similar to those within which Nigerian businessmen operate.

*Workers of all grades will enjoy the full fruits of their labour, and legislation for a fair national minimum wage will be enacted.

*The interests of self-employed persons will be protected and the greatest possible returns will be obtained for their labour.

*Education will be free from kindergarten to University.

*The productivity of the peasant classes will be increased so that their standard of living may be raised.

*Unemployed will be abolished, that is to say, it will be possible for every able-bodied person to be gainfully employed.

*There will be reorganisation of landholding, where necessary.

*There will be increase in housing facilities, and simultaneously legislation will be introduced for he control of rents where and when desirable.

*There will be expansion in health services to enable all persons, whatever their age, to have free medical treatment.

*A scheme for social insurance will be introduced, and specifically old age pension will be paid to persons above certain age, who are willing to accept the benefit.

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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 12:41am On Nov 02, 2015
It must be emphasised that none of these ends can be attained without planing, without selfless devotion and severe discipline on the part of those who are elected to formulate and execute policies and programmes and without sacrifice of time, energy and money on the part of the Nigerian citizens. I do not need to expatiate on the last two factors. They are obvious and speak for themselves. I only wish to stress to the student members of this audience a point, which they already know, that a beggar nation can only invite contempt to itself. If we are intent on building a strong and self-respecting Nigeria, sacrifice of life may sometimes be required from us in addition to that of time, energy and money.

Under communism, planning is totalitarian; the individual counts for little if at all; it is the state that matters; whilst the motive for profit-making is completely disregarded and stifled. On the other hand, under democratic socialism, planning is done by a popularly elected government, which attaches the greatest possible importance to the welfare of the individual citizen. The profit motive is not fully suppressed but where it is given scope it is controlled and harnessed for the common good.

Since the public and the private sectors of the economy exist side by side in a democratic socialist state, any planning must of necessity have three prongs. Firstly, the private sector must be controlled, directed and challenged by the Government by means of appropriate laws and regulations. Secondly, in the public sector, the government must so organised and manage its own business enterprises as to ensure, with maximum efficiency and efficacy, the attainment of its objectives. In addition to existing public-owned undertakings, government must by legislation, coupled with negotiation where necessary, acquire new businesses for which fair compensation need not, however, be paid down in cash as is erroneously believed in some quarters. The shares held by the owners of the nationalised enterprises may be exchanged for government bonds, which yield fixed interests to the private owners. If this is done, it will not be necessary, as has been argued, to divert monies, which could have been used for other development purposes to paying compensation for the nationalised undertakings.
Thirdly, the government must deliberately employ the budget for the purpose of influencing the direction of the country's economy for the benefit of the masses. Budgetary measures can be used to stimulate productive activities in times of depression, to promote the production of certain classes of goods, which would not otherwise have been produced, to encourage the siting of industries in areas where they are socially (though not necessarily economically) desirable.

Paradoxically enough, it has been most strenuously urged, in quarters where democratic socialism is also professed, that the idea, which I have before stated are too lofty, and that since most of them are unattainable in the immediate present, they should be consigned to the limbo of Utopian dreams.

It is the habit of my party not to talk about anything unless it is practicable. We think that all the ideals, which I have previously mentioned, are practicable. But even if they are not immediately attainable, it appears to me unimaginative and unpatriotic to discard them on that account. No individual or nation can make any progress worthy of note and good report, unless there is a lofty height, a noble objective, which the man or the nation constantly and perseveringly strives after.

It has also been seriously suggested that the best way to advance the interest of our country is to tackle one problem at a time and as it arises, and that we would only be perplexing ourselves by formulating a series of objectives and of methods of achieving them, all of which are bound to raise knotty problems of their own. I must say that it is only the mediocre and the fool that can afford to live but one day at a time, without taking as much as a peep into the future. The wise and the prudent, too, cannot live more than one day or even more than one minute at a time. But whilst he is busy coping with the problem of the day, he also aspires to see beyond the curtain that divides today from the morrow, projects his legitimate and conscientious desires into it, and makes concrete plans for the realisation of these desires.

I have said on previous occasions, that granting an enlightened and dynamic leadership, the wealth of a nation is the fountain of its strength. The bigger the wealth, and the more equitable its distribution among the factors and agencies, which have helped to produce it, the greater the outflow of the nation's influence and power. I think I have said enough to demonstrate that it is under a democratic socialist system that our national resources can be exploited to produce sufficiently large wealth for the well-being of our people, and for the promotion of our national greatness and international brotherhood. On this score, it now remains for me to say that the outflow of our nation's influence can only be advantageously canalised by the kind of attitude we adopt towards the other nations of the world in general and of Africa in particular.

After a very careful consideration, my party is of the opinion that the foreign policy of Nigeria should, in the main, be independent and should be guided by the following principles:

*The promotion of economic relations with all nations of the world.

*Co-operation with all nations of the world in so far as they respect the ideals for which we stand.

*Respect for the sovereignty of other nations and non-interference in their domestic affairs.

*The settlement of international disputes by peaceful negotiations directly or through the agency of the U.N.O.

*Lasting world peace through non-involvement in military pacts, discontinuance of the armament race, and the evaluation of military bases on foreign soil.

*The immediate and complete freedom and sovereignty of all those African States, which are at present only nominally independent (a) by the abrogation of any military or defence pacts or ties as well as of all rights and privileges appurtenant to such pacts or ties and (b) by the elimination of undue economic or technical dependence on any alien country.

*The setting of target date or dates in the very near future for the complete liberation of all colonial territories wherever they may be on the Continent of Africa.

*The immediate termination of the existence of any military base in any part of Africa and the evacuation of all occupation troops on the Continent whether they are attached to specific military bases or not.

*The mobilisation of all the forces at our command to assist in the immediate extermination of apartheid in South Africa and the restoration to the African of his natural birth-rights.

*The outlawry of any form of discrimination or segregation against the black peoples in particular and Africans in general, in Africa and in other parts of the world.

*The maintenance and defence of the dignity of the African (particularly black African), and of the sovereignty of any independent African State against derogation or violence from any quarter whatsoever.

*The promotion of a community of interests among all the peoples of Africa and the eventual establishment of a political union or confederacy (whichever is practicable in the prevailing circumstances) among African States.

*Non-involvement of all African countries in the present East-West power politics and struggle as well as non-partisanship in the Arab-Israeli dispute and conflict.

Within the compass of a lecture such as this, I think I have sufficiently set out the ideals of my party, and its orientation towards these ideals.

But the position in Nigeria today as to the ideal of the ruling parties at the Centre and hence of the country, and their orientation towards such ideals, if any, appears to me to be thoroughly confused. The cause of this confusion is not far to seek. The Federal Government lacks definite ideals or objectives and is devoid of ascertainable orientation. From the jumble of Government's words and actions, however, two things stand out unmistakably; at home its ideological orientation is laissez faire capitalism, and in the external sphere it is subservience to the Western Bloc.

After Independence, Nigerian's ship of State has, so to say, been launched on an uncharted sea. The imperialist's beaten tracks are no longer good for us, because we had fought for Independence in order that we may be free to cut our own path to greatness and success. I owe it a duty to the more than 40 (110) million citizens of this country, to make the following concluding declarations. The Federal Government is, in my candid opinion, unpardonably woolly about the destination towards which it is steering our ship of State; it is far from being certain, much less precise, about our position on the high seas, at any given time in relation to the ship's compass; and it has, by words and actions cast grave doubts on its professed skill in the twentieth - century art of politico-economic navigation and seamanship.

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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by MayorofLagos(m): 1:46am On Nov 02, 2015
Whathaveidone:



Hmmmn leba pe meta ni yen ooo.Eleko it seems everyone has co-signed it.I'm waiting for your approval


@mayoroflagos eyin la n durode ooo




Awe, duro ke? grin
Hit the modify button abeg.
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by laudate: 2:11am On Nov 02, 2015
Whathaveidone:
I was trying to touch on Aso-oke fabrics and adire and mr anti-spambot banned me.In fact the comment has been deleted

Eeyaah, sorry o! Please try and re-post it again. The aso-oke outfits have really increased in popularity over the years. The patterns have changed, the texture has become lighter, and there is no limit to the designs that can be created, once you allow your imagination to have free reign.

The ones used for bridal wear these days, cost as much as =N=200,000 per outfit!! shocked
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by laudate: 2:18am On Nov 02, 2015
Flyoruboy:
I think the Smile (4g) laudate is referring to is the South African-owned one: http://smile.com.ng/#page

They actually launched there West Africa operations at Ibadan about 2 years ago.

Erm...it was actually Wizguy69 that mentioned Smile & Spectranet. I didn't.... undecided

WIZGUY69:
Ritchie... Am feeling you man. I don't know if you can post something about smile internet & spectranet.
Do you know them

Laudate[/b]don't know much about crafts o, guess I will be watching from back.
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by MayorofLagos(m): 3:05am On Nov 02, 2015
Aare,
If you are not already doing so, I will suggest you try using a text editor to first compose and save record before posting.
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by modath(f): 4:08am On Nov 02, 2015
Ilekeh:


E tun fe paro mo spambot abi? grin E seun.

Ni osan, emi ati aarekonkofo n so nipa oru ile ti awon osise ijoba n ko si ile Yoruba, bi mimiko ati aregbesola. Sugbon a ni lati ro 1) nkan ti won fi n ko awon ile yii 2) bawo ni awon ile a se ri 50 years lati eni.

E je ka fi Ibadan se apẹẹrẹ .....

It did do me the 24hr thing & the only restriction was on the politics board but I've created MO2 though... Mehn I slept oFf grin
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by meracool(m): 8:16am On Nov 02, 2015
Good Morning Everyone
I've finally caught up with the thread
My hometown is Apa, Badagry Lagos State
We are of the Egun Awori extract...

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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by scholes0(m): 8:31am On Nov 02, 2015
meracool:
Good Morning Everyone
I've finally caught up with the thread
My hometown is Apa, Badagry Lagos State
We are of the Egun Awori extract...

Welcome bro, and good morning to you too.

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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 8:36am On Nov 02, 2015
107 pages of mindless chatter. I thought was about development in the southwest?

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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by meracool(m): 8:39am On Nov 02, 2015
liberty300:
107 pages of mindless chatter. I thought was about development in the southwest?
Then what are you insinuating . ..??
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Flyoruboy(m): 8:41am On Nov 02, 2015
liberty300:
107 pages of mindless chatter. I thought was about development in the southwest?
Bad-belle from the South East is allowed.

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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by meracool(m): 8:42am On Nov 02, 2015
scholes0:


Welcome bro, and good morning to you too.
Thanks.

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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Shymm3x: 12:29pm On Nov 02, 2015
meracool:
Good Morning Everyone
I've finally caught up with the thread
My hometown is Apa, Badagry Lagos State
We are of the Egun Awori extract...

Welcome to the Yoruba commonwealth army, bruddah.

Looking forward to ya contributions.

Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Shymm3x: 12:36pm On Nov 02, 2015
@quimicababes

Nice insightful post. I did pick up a few things about the nuances between communism and socialism. Thanks for enlightening a brother.

Capitalism vs Socialism vs Communism with emphasis on laissez faire capitalist system which is what's still practised in all African countries today and the agenda of Bretton Woods in further impoverishing people of colour. The bane of Africa. And Awolowo did give the enigma Karl Marx his props, despite not being a Marxist. I like that.

Awolowo was definitely an enigma and an astute administrator, far ahead of his time. People like him come once in a lifetime. Russia had Vladmir Lenin and now Vladmir Putin. China had Mao. America had George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, and Franklin D. Roosevelt. The UK had Clement Atlee and Winston Churchill (Tony Blair should've been on this list, but he self-destruct with Iraq war). And Yoruba had the enigmatic Awolowo. Hopefully, the old heads on here will educate us about all those who were part of his team cos without a solid/loyal team - there's only so much a leader can achieve. I definitely need to pay a visit to where he was buried when next I hit naij - just to pay my homage to man. And I hope he'll see that wherever he's in afterlife.

That said, I honestly don't think Socialism can work effectively in today's world - due to the dynamics of things and the capitalist tendencies in most of us. Perhaps, due to the generational western influence on our lives and how the world has changes. A mixed economy would be more suitable in the current clime. With the state owning/maintaining certain assets and regulation - while the private sector runs the business side of things. The state must provide free quality education, which is the right of every child, from at least nursery to secondary school level - and also provide free quality healthcare service for all, regardless of status in the society. Furthermore, the most vulnerable in the society, especially minors and senior citizens, should also be the responsibility of the state.
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by MayorofLagos(m): 6:50pm On Nov 02, 2015
Shymm3x:
@quimicababes

Nice insightful post. I did pick up a few things about the nuances between communism and socialism. Thanks for enlightening a brother.

Capitalism vs Socialism vs Communism with emphasis on laissez faire capitalist system which is what's still practised in all African countries today and the agenda of Bretton Woods in further impoverishing people of colour. The bane of Africa. And Awolowo did give the enigma Karl Marx his props, despite not being a Marxist. I like that.

Awolowo was definitely an enigma and an astute administrator, far ahead of his time. People like him come once in a lifetime. Russia had Vladmir Lenin and now Vladmir Putin. China had Mao. America had George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, and Franklin D. Roosevelt. The UK had Clement Atlee and Winston Churchill (Tony Blair should've been on this list, but he self-destruct with Iraq war). And Yoruba had the enigmatic Awolowo. Hopefully, the old heads on here will educate us about all those who were part of his team cos without a solid/loyal team - there's only so much a leader can achieve. I definitely need to pay a visit to where he was buried when next I hit naij - just to pay my homage to man. And I hope he'll see that wherever he's in afterlife.

That said, I honestly don't think Socialism can work effectively in today's world - due to the dynamics of things and the capitalist tendencies in most of us. Perhaps, due to the generational western influence on our lives and how the world has changes. A mixed economy would be more suitable in the current clime. With the state owning/maintaining certain assets and regulation - while the private sector runs the business side of things. The state must provide free quality education, which is the right of every child, from at least nursery to secondary school level - and also provide free quality healthcare service for all, regardless of status in the society. Furthermore, the most vulnerable in the society, especially minors and senior citizens, should also be the responsibility of the state.


Yes, these collections, popularly known as Awolowo's doctrines were the framework Baba had used to administer Western Nigeria. Behind its success he declared that the British Administrators of the Colonial Government were inferior and incompetent.

Social orders are always a mixed pair - socialist/capitalist; socialist/communist; capitalist/communist...

Society swings left or right of the mix depending on the ruling party or government's ideology, being liberal or conservative.
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 7:06pm On Nov 02, 2015
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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Shymm3x: 8:08pm On Nov 02, 2015
MayorofLagos:

Yes, these collections, popularly known as Awolowo's doctrines were the framework Baba had used to administer Western Nigeria. Behind its success he declared that the British Administrators of the Colonial Government were inferior and incompetent.

Social orders are always a mixed pair - socialist/capitalist; socialist/communist; capitalist/communist...

Society swings left or right of the mix depending on the ruling party or government's ideology, being liberal or conservative.

@ sentence in bold - the man was an enigmatic figure. The more I read about him, the more I adore him...for calling white folks incompetent and inferior - that's 21-gun salute to the great icon. grin Unlike these folks who suck up to white folks and the idiots at AU who take all their problems to same white folks who have kept them in perpetual servitude/slavery.

I don't think the "mixed pair" thingy is for every country, albeit in modern times, most countries are predominantly mixed. Soviet Union wasn't mixed - it was a socialist country. Ditto Yugoslavia. While North Korea and old China were communist countries. That has changed a bit, except North Korea, but it's lopsided to one side in most countries. Russia for example has moved towards capitalism in modern times, but it's still predominantly a socialist country. Ditto China and communism still being the primary ideology there, despite the capitalism there. Even in western societies - apart from the Scandinavian countries, UK, Canada, and France - most are predominantly capitalist countries. Africa is a different kettle of fish entirely, though.

Honestly, I don't think whatever ideology that's in power changes the nucleus of the structure of these countries. The UK has been shifting between liberals and conservatives for eon, however, that hasn't had any significant bearing on the mixed nature of the society.

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