Esdb3:


So Jesus is not God? So Jesus was created like the angels were? So he was not there in the beginning?

Read other versions not your edited bible of the scripture John 14 5-11

Now I know your are really sick. . For making this statement.

I remember when I was younger. . A Jehovah Witness told me that Jesus was hung to a tree to die. . . not in a cross form. .



The hands were not spread apart like the cross sign, but. . stretched above the head. . What a sick doctrine. .
!

genuinechimere:
last week, they came to my house. after interacting with them, they left and met with my neighbour who happens to be a member of Christ Embassy. They offered him their magazines, he gladly took it. but when he offered them Rhapsody of Realities in return, they quickly rejected it. my neighbour smiled at their hypocrisy. not believing in the Deity of Jesus is a great mistake by the JW. Jesus is the Son of God, and also God Himself. I can reel out countless scriptures to prove this. So OP, i encourage u to set aside what you have been taught by JW and do the research yourself. peace be with you.

And that makes sense to you right?

nifton:

He may be talking abt the president of watchtower bible and tract society.The man is not quite known by many ie Leon Weaver Jnr.

Please get your facts right.......there is no such person.

major466:
Unfortunately Jehovah's witness's core doctrine contradicts the doctrines of the bible.

Have you asked them to explain things to you?

Morning all

hmmmm2015:



You are very funny with your response. I think Russell and Rutherford had clear knowledge about the fact that no one knows the exact day the world world would end yet went about preaching this umbilical doctrine. You are yet to answer my question on Charles Russell and Rutherford. Did you even know that Rutherford died in your so called "Beth Sarim" expecting Jesus and the patriarchs would come live in the house your organisation has built for them? Is very laughable that your organisation keeps this dirty history from devoted members like you . Have you even laid your hands on Charles Taze Russell's "The finished mystery" he even claimed you won't have the proper knowledge of the bible if you don't read it. Don't bother going to your headquarters in Pennsylvania to look for it, the internet or Library of Congress would be of good help. Bro, get knowledge and be liberated. Your zeal amounts to nothing if you keep denying the deity of Christ. God bless you.

I laugh at your ignorance. Who gave you the impression that we Dont know of beth sarim and that it is hidden from us? You are simply delusional to say the least. I laugh at people who think they know more about our organization that we do. If you're an avid reader like you pride yourself to be you would know that the
1)proclaimers book &
2)salvation
Both published by Jehovah's witnesses covers these subjects extensively.

You are so full of yourself that you are blind to your ignorance. Jehovah's witnesses have Jehovah's backing and have never been perturbed by hoaxes and half-truths presented by enemies of Jehovah's organization. Rather than back slide, we are unscathed from such cheap side talks and we continue to make giant strides because we have God's backing.

alexis:


Thanks for indulging me, So you confirmed that Revelation 1:8 is referring to Jehovah and you are right, no doubt about that. Please indulge me.

1. Revelation 21:5-7: 5 He who was seated on the throne said, “I am making everything new!” Then he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.” 6 He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give water without cost from the spring of the water of life. 7 Those who are victorious will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my children.

Here we see the identification that Alpha and Omega is Jehovah God right?

2. Revelation 22:13 = I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

Here we see Jehovah as being called the first and the last - is that correct?

3. Revelation 1:17 = When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: "Do not be afraid. I am the first and the last.

Here we see Jehovah called the first and the last again. So far, do you agree that it is Jehovah that is being referenced?

You are very WRONG @ No. 3 , Jehovah Almighty God can not die [habakuk 1:12]. But the person spoken of in Rev 1:17 said he was dead . And Yes , there is a big difference in how Jehovah used first and the last nd how Jesus used it . Example : will it be wise to say an only child is Almighty God simply because he introduce himself saying " I am the first and the last " child ? A wise person will consider the context of discusion

How JEHOVAH GOD used " first nd the last" ' I am the first and I am the last. There is no God but me' Isa 44:6 . His Been Almighty


How Jesus His Son used " first nd last" ' I am the first and the last , and the living one , and I became dead , but Look! I am living forever and ever, ' Rev 1:17 . He used it to describe his unique resurection , he is the first to be raised from dead and live forever , and the last to be raised from dead by his God And Father .(galatians 1:1) Yes , jesus will be the one to resurect others from grave - john 5:28,29 , no wonder he said " I have the keys of death and the grave " rev 1:18

LinuxMint:

Did you forget the fact that Jehovah gave a straight law regarding the use of blood in time past to the Israelites? Deuteronomy 12:16, Leviticus 7:26

Did u also recall that apostle paul warned the early christains abt the intake of blood? Acts 15:20-29

Note this that Jehovah's witnesses cherish n respect life 100%.

In dire situations like blood transfusion, a person can go to xtreme measures to save his life, even accepting blood transfusion!!!. but remember Matthew 16:25 "For whoever would save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it"..

there is a reassuring hope that even if we loose our life due to our clear stand in refusing transfusion, Jehovah by meanse of his son Jesus christ, will bring us back to life... John 5:28 & 29, Acts 24:15..

think abt it sir..

You can't just pick up three or two bible chapters and interpret them to suit your long held believes. The act of apostles, Leviticus, and deuteronomy you talked about were basically given instructions to the isrealites on the need to abstain from the unclean with special reference to animals. Those passages didn't say one can't contribute or donate his/her blood to save the life of another. Just because you know God loves you, doesn't mean you'll deliberately stand in front of a MOLUE (passenger bus) to get smashed and think you won't die, cos what you explained is tantamount to the aforementioned example. The bible even reverence that ; Heaven help those who help themselves (old saying right?!). It's when you take the necessary steps to help your condition that moves GOD and his grace upon your life, but when you're carefree about delicate issues and leaving God to spoon feed you, that's when he'll feel discouraged about your condition. God has provided us with the necessary means at our disposal to make everything right on earth. Where and how we use them is dependent on us.
To me, the ten commandment of our savior, JESUS CHRIST remains the sole nexus to my living on earth, and in so far as it's still valid I'll do all things necessary that's not contradictory to it.

This piece is interesting

Ganoderma:


Please get your facts right.......there is no such person.

Sorry, lets not argue over this,open the 2nd page of the Watchtower or Awake magazines and painstakingly read everything on dat page.I' m not your antagonist,but I write with facts.

Ganoderma:


When you say Hell, we beleive that hell is the grave that men go to when they die.

However we do not believe that God has reserved a burning place where he would put evil men. This teaching is actually blasphemous and brings reproach on Gods name. As to the act of burning humans in fire the book of Jeremiah 32 verse 35 tells us how God feels about it. I would quote it here for the world to see. You can choose to read it later:

Jer 32:35 - Furthermore, they built the high places of Baʹal in the Valley of the Son of Hinʹnom, in order to make their sons and their daughters pass through the fire to Moʹlech, something that I had not commanded them and that had never come into my heart to do such a detestable thing, causing Judah to sin.’

If God considered it detestable at this point to burn humans in Fire and men had already started sinning a very long time ago, then at what point did God begin to find it desirable?

abeg enof wit this thing already. Evri1 has his believe. Stay wit wat u bliv nd lemme wit wat I believe. To me, there's hell nd there's fire. Otito abeg

charlesucheh:
You can't just pick up three or two bible chapters and interpret them to suit your long held believes. The act of apostles, Leviticus, and deuteronomy you talked about were basically given instructions to the isrealites on the need to abstain from the unclean with special reference to animals. Those passages didn't say one can't contribute or donate his/her blood to save the life of another. Just because you know God loves you, doesn't mean you'll deliberately stand in front of a MOLUE (passenger bus) to get smashed and think you won't die, cos what you explained is tantamount to the aforementioned example. The bible even reverence that ; Heaven help those who help themselves (old saying right?!). It's when you take the necessary steps to help your condition that moves GOD and his grace upon your life, but when you're carefree about delicate issues and leaving God to spoon feed you, that's when he'll feel discouraged about your condition. God has provided us with the necessary means at our disposal to make everything right on earth. Where and how we use them is dependent on us.
To me, the ten commandment of our savior, JESUS CHRIST remains the sole nexus to my living on earth, and in so far as it's still valid I'll do all things necessary that's not contradictory to it.

Show me where the bible reverence the bolded statement ?

After several hours of research work, I think dis site should shed more light about how the so-called Jehova witness hv been nothing but ANTICHRIST. Pls beware !!!!!!
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Jehovah%20Witnesses/jw.htm

rodeo0070:


You are absolutely correct.

I'm not one of them but I'm amazed with their mode of operation. Their AWAKE magazine is one of the most informative in the world. I started reading their magazine since 1995. Then, there was this Neighbour of ours, a Bank Manager of Cooperative Bank. Every Sunday, him, his wife and 3 children will be trekking from house to house preaching. I was amazed 'cos this man has a big car (Nissan Laurel, Lol). I'm like this makes senses, leaving your comfort to talk about God to others. This drew me to them then. They dress well and neat, speak simple english, prolifically and confidently and well grounded on many issues. I must confess, their views on how to tackle issues has helped me in a way i can't quantify. In my career, money, disposition towards others etc.

By the way, you don get their mobile APP?

Honestly I miss awake, that magazine really helped me those days. I never run short of some current information on events revolving around science and business. The information I got from awake helped me to hit to a point in one of my school projects. Though, somehow I do not concur to some of the doctrines they peddle; however, their mannerism and code of dressing as regards to preaching the gospel is incomparable for now!

Are not the JW's pushing for the New World Order while door knocking around all neighbourhoods.
Jesus had warned us these things must take place, and sure enough not only the JW's who are pushing for the New World Religion-but the Mother of Churches the Roman Catholic Church Pope Francis is behind the scene's calling out to leading Churches around the world so all believers may bind together once again.
Revelation 13:16-18 Also it courses all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead, so no-one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name.
Revelation 22:19 And if anyone takes away from the words from this book of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life.
Take note-its a pretty heavy risk to tackle-and you JW's speak with your lips to know God-and yet you don't recognize His Son Jesus, to be your Lord and Savour.
Jesus is the true Shepard-He is our gateway to heaven, He is the light of this world, the way and the truth, the true vine, the bread of life I tell you the truth before Abraham was born Jesus said I am. Jesus Christ is Lord.

He who has ears let him hear..... Flee from them just as Bible asked us to flee from temptation.. They are the real temptation talking from experience.... Flee and don't look back....

The Word was a god indeed .. Very funny set of people.. Day time cult

Again I say flee please... God bear me witness that I have warn people about them every where I go . Experience is the best teacher

charlesucheh:
You can't just pick up three or two bible chapters and interpret them to suit your long held believes. The act of apostles, Leviticus, and deuteronomy you talked about were basically given instructions to the isrealites on the need to abstain from the unclean with special reference to animals. Those passages didn't say one can't contribute or donate his/her blood to save the life of another. Just because you know God loves you, doesn't mean you'll deliberately stand in front of a MOLUE (passenger bus) to get smashed and think you won't die, cos what you explained is tantamount to the aforementioned example. The bible even reverence that ; Heaven help those who help themselves (old saying right?!). It's when you take the necessary steps to help your condition that moves GOD and his grace upon your life, but when you're carefree about delicate issues and leaving God to spoon feed you, that's when he'll feel discouraged about your condition. God has provided us with the necessary means at our disposal to make everything right on earth. Where and how we use them is dependent on us.
To me, the ten commandment of our savior, JESUS CHRIST remains the sole nexus to my living on earth, and in so far as it's still valid I'll do all things necessary that's not contradictory to it.

what

so u mean blood in dat scripture refers to only animals, humans don't have blood when paul clearly states abstain from blood ?


The Bible commands that we not ingest blood.
So we should not accept whole blood or its
primary components in any form, whether
offered as food or as a transfusion. Note the
following scriptures:


Genesis 9:4 . God allowed Noah and his
family to add animal flesh to their diet after
the Flood but commanded them not to eat
the blood. God told Noah: “Only flesh with
its soul—its blood—you must not eat.” This
command applies to all mankind from that
time on because all are descendants of
Noah.


Leviticus 17:14 . “You must not eat the blood
of any sort of flesh[/b], because the soul of
every sort of flesh is its blood. Anyone
eating it will be cut off.” God viewed the
soul, or life, as being in the blood and
belonging to him. Although this law was
given only to the nation of Israel, it shows
how seriously God viewed the law against
eating blood.


Acts 15:20. “Abstain . . . from blood.” God
gave Christians the same command that he
had given to Noah. History shows that
early Christians refused to consume whole
blood or even to use it for medical reasons.


Why does God command us to abstain from blood?
There are sound medical reasons to avoid
blood transfusions. More important, though,
God commands that we abstain from blood
because what it represents is sacred to him.—
Leviticus 17:11; Colossians 1:20.


so bro u cannot change God's standards at all..
the bible clearly forbid the intake of blood either eàting nor infusion....

brocab:
Are not the JW's pushing for the New World Order while door knocking around all neighbourhoods.
Jesus had warned us these things must take place, and sure enough not only the JW's who are pushing for the New World Religion-but the Mother of Churches the Roman Catholic Church Pope Francis is behind the scene's calling out to leading Churches around the world so all believers may bind together once again.
Revelation 13:16-18 Also it courses all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead, so no-one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name.
Revelation 22:19 And if anyone takes away from the words from this book of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life.
Take note-its a pretty heavy risk to tackle-and you JW's speak with your lips to know God-and yet you don't recognize His Son Jesus, to be your Lord and Savour.
Jesus is the true Shepard-He is our gateway to heaven, He is the light of this world, the way and the truth, the true vine, the bread of life I tell you the truth before Abraham was born Jesus said I am. Jesus Christ is Lord.

good u didn't mention Jesus is the Almighty God., bt son of God...

and mind u, we believe in Jesus n recognize him as Jehovah's only begotten son , and we pray to Jehovah tru Jesus. ... otherwise who commanded us to preach if not Jesus?

b4 u make a point abt jw, find out firstly what they believe

shejane:
He who has ears let him hear..... Flee from them just as Bible asked us to flee from temptation.. They are the real temptation talking from experience.... Flee and don't look back....

The Word was a god indeed .. Very funny set of people.. Day time cult

Again I say flee please... God bear me witness that I have warn people about them every where I go . Experience is the best teacher

truth must b told friend... whether u listen or not, many deserving ones are out there that wants to learn abt Jehovah... and Jehovah will lead us to them.... n sadly, there is absolutely nothing u can do abt it...

so friend, easy with the hate.

Timflex:
I laugh at your ignorance. Who gave you the impression that we Dont know of beth sarim and that it is hidden from us? You are simply delusional to say the least. I laugh at people who think they know more about our organization that we do. If you're an avid reader like you pride yourself to be you would know that the
1)proclaimers book &
2)salvation
Both published by Jehovah's witnesses covers these subjects extensively.

You are so full of yourself that you are blind to your ignorance. Jehovah's witnesses have Jehovah's backing and have never been perturbed by hoaxes and half-truths presented by enemies of Jehovah's organization. Rather than back slide, we are unscathed from such cheap side talks and we continue to make giant strides because we have God's backing.

I am not surprised with the way you've decided to go about the issues I've raised. Your founder from Russell himself to Rutherford keep denying their predecessor's doctrine. Another question for you :
Is any portion of the Watch Tower
or the Governing Body to be
considered a prophet of God, or the
voice of God? Do the Governing
Body or its associated corporations
have better information from God
or have a more direct channel to or
from God’s thoughts than others? If
this is true why has God changed
his opinion, based on Watchtower
teachings, so many times in Watch
Tower history?

Lothbrok:



Now I know your are really sick. . For making this statement.

I remember when I was younger. . A Jehovah Witness told me that Jesus was hung to a tree to die. . . not in a cross form. .



The hands were not spread apart like the cross sign, but. . stretched above the head. . What a sick doctrine. .
!

Are you a JW? Because I'm not. And I'm befuddled at your outbursts because I don't know which side you are on.

MVLOX:


Please show me a scripture your bible where HELL FIRE is clearly written so that we check other translations to see what that place really says

Please show me a place where Genesis 1:1 states Jehovah in all versions of the bible.

That is how your question sounds.

Of cos hell fire was not written but it was asserted that sinners will burn in a fire.

MVLOX:

Please read John 1: 18 then reply me back

I'm not a Jw because I don't knw why you'ld want me to read that.
And if you are a Jw, I asked abt the rich man and laza

dolphinheart:

No one can see God and yet live. God sent jesus.


God cannot die, he has imortality, that you say jesus died shows he is not almighty God.

For you to make this statement shows how small-minded you are. Jesus came to the earth in the form of a what? A man. God is in the form of a what? Spirit. Yet still, Jesus rose or not? Mtchew.

Jesus is a representative of God,he is not the almighty God.

so John 14 5-11 was Jesus lying? I didn't write that verse afterall.[/quote]

Remember, the head of Christ is God. Jesus said the father is his God, and jesus is not the father.

So you know more than john in 1john 1:18 or more than Jesus in john 14 5-11?

Why do you preach the bible to suit the belief of a fraudster who explained the bible in his own words? Why can't you read the bible and think for yourself?

Jesus said 'if you've seen me you have seen the father"

Let me explain it to you this way.

In John 1:1 John explained that christ was the 'word' that God spoke. More like saying he is the distinct voice of God. Now is a man different from his voice?

Nobody is saying God is not at the top of the hierarchy, what we are saying is that Jesus is God and God is Jesus yet God is greater than Jesus. When you get to heaven you can ask God or Jesus what the statement means. Oh! Sorry my bad you won't be going to heaven afterall. Don't worry those of us that go there will send you people the explanation.

hmmmm2015:


I am not surprised with the way you've decided to go about the issues I've raised. Your founder from Russell himself to Rutherford keep denying their predecessor's doctrine. Another question for you :
Is any portion of the Watch Tower
or the Governing Body to be
considered a prophet of God, or the
voice of God? Do the Governing
Body or its associated corporations
have better information from God
or have a more direct channel to or
from God’s thoughts than others? If
this is true why has God changed
his opinion, based on Watchtower
teachings, so many times in Watch
Tower history?

dats because Jehovah's organization is not stagnant,it is ever on d move.. n Jehovah is using his holy spirit to make the light of truth shine brighter n brighter......every day....

jorez:
. Please compare Rev 3:14 with col 1:13-20 see verse 15.a note that Jesus has a begining he was the firstborn of all creation through him all other things were created.stop arguing

Why do you keep meddling with revelations a book of trance that is far above you mortal logic while you ignore books written by the disciples for a clear understanding of the teachings of. Christ.


So I should check that scripture and ignore John 14 or 1john 1?

Esdb3:


For you to make this statement shows how small-minded you are. Jesus came to the earth in the form of a what? A man. God is in the form of a what? Spirit. Yet still, Jesus rose or not? Mtchew.



so John 14 5-11 was Jesus lying? I didn't write that verse afterall.




Remember, the head of Christ is God. Jesus said the father is his God, and jesus is not the father.

So you know more than john in 1john 1:18 or more than Jesus in john 14 5-11?

Why do you preach the bible to suit the belief of a fraudster who explained the bible in his own words? Why can't you read the bible and think for yourself?

Jesus said 'if you've seen me you have seen the father"

Let me explain it to you this way.

In John 1:1 John explained that christ was the 'word' that God spoke. More like saying he is the distinct voice of God. Now is a man different from his voice?

Nobody is saying God is not at the top of the hierarchy, what we are saying is that Jesus is God and God is Jesus yet God is greater than Jesus. When you get to heaven you can ask God or Jesus what the statement means. Oh! Sorry my bad you won't be going to heaven afterall. Don't worry those of us that go there will send you people the explanation.

listen to ur conflicting statements.... its just like u saying a son is the father and the father is the son . ..who then produce each other..?


lets b frank here,... a son can neva b greater dan his father....

when Jesus said he and his father r one, he refers to their attitudes, thinking, etc... they do things in one accord... Jesus even said that his father is greater than him... even his father later confirmed it during the baptism of Jesus. he said "this is my son the beloved.....".


also during d temptation of Jesus, he said to satan " You
shall worship the Jehovah your God, and him only
shall you serve."


so just as hw there cant be 2 presidents or Governors, there cant b 2 Gods..

think about it sir....

Esdb3:


Why do you keep meddling with revelations a book of trance that is far above you mortal logic while you ignore books written by the disciples for a clear understanding of the teachings of. Christ.


So I should check that scripture and ignore John 14 or 1john 1?

so check Colossians 1:13-20 since "MEDDLING" with revelations is wrong forgetting d fact dat all Scriptures were written for our instructions!

major466:
Unfortunately Jehovah's witness's core doctrine contradicts the doctrines of the bible.

who told you that the doctrines of the bible are all accurate?? You have the Mosaic era and the Messianic era. Which doctrine are you talking about?? I for one know that the bible is full of myth.

lordtim001:

1.We dont expect you to sing our songs.Dont get it wrong.Because we do not sing your hyms doesn't mean we'll force you to sing ours.Even when you come to our meetings,you will not be forced to sing along.

2.Donations are voluntary.If you feel that the person's looks will pressure you to donate,will the same person's looks give you money when you are broke.The only reason why you are given that look is because your "flimsy excuse" behind it.Dont feel compelled to do it because its almost null and void if you don't donate cheerfully and willingly

3.Please,expantiate on the examples of these "ridiculous rules".

4.Some complain that we read the Bible out of context or give an explanation out of context because of the logical reasoning that comes into play in Bible books like Revelation.You may see it as out of context

5.The Bible clearly states at Revelation 14:1-5 that 144,000 stand with the Lamb on Mount Zion and that these ones were brought from mankind.Standing before the lamb indicates physical presence and as we know,Mount Zion represents God's Kingdom in Heaven...So logically,it means that it is 144,000 delegated ones who will be there in addition to the already present angels,Jesus and his Father,Jehovah...

Mr man if the donation is almost null and void. Why insist that I donate before I'm given a magazine?

LinuxMint:


dats because Jehovah's organization is not stagnant,it is ever on d move.. n Jehovah is using his holy spirit to make the light of truth shine brighter n brighter......every day....

For your attention Jehovah's word is never changing. He is the same yesterday, today and forever. From your humble submission, I think it won't be out of place to conclude that we should not trust this your present stance on doctrinal issues as it subject to another review in the light of new revelations and discoveries just like your organisation has predicted the end of the world in more 4 times. Another question for you:
Was Beth-Sarim, the Mansion
owned and operated by the
Watchtower Bible & Tract Society in
San Diego and used by Joe
Rutherford in the 1920’s built as a
residence for Enoch and other holy
men from the Bible when they were
expected to rise from the dead in
1925 by the Watch Tower?

naughtynaughty:
thank u jare. Jehova witness kor..pple dt don't bliv in hell. Abeeggiii

everyone believes in hell. Hell is hades, sheol or Gehena. A resting place for the dead. What i and common rational thinking people do not believe exists is HELLFIRE. Who created it? and to what purpose? Yet crazy christians preach about it and stress on the torment there so that people would fear sin.

And BTW i'm no JW