SailorXY:

These your tales sef.
Do you know that the whole team is being held back by Wayne Rooney? Let's not look into the last two years, player sales & surrounding circumstances, I'm looking @ this season.
As it stands, nothing suggests Chicharito would've fared worse than Rooney. Even if Chicharito is a poacher (let's assume cuz we all know his ball skills improved massively) & the team carries him, the opposition knows there's a genuine goal-threat in there somewhere & will be wary. What we get with Rooney is the team carrying him YET he offers nothing to trouble the opposition even when through on goal. As a "ball-playing striker" (refer to coogar's .gif) all he does is miscontrol the ball, run like a donkey, pride himself on 'work rate' & bull - who cares about that from a CF? Seeing Rooney score these days is an exception rather than a norm, & when you factor in the playing time he seizes from better options - it becomes a monumental disgrace!

Chicharito had a very poor showing in his final game before his sale there's no doubt about it, but what if he's already been told he stood no chance no matter how Rooney fares? We all heard LvG say something like that quite raw in public, how much less in private meetings?

Let's not deceive ourselves, Martial was brought in cuz it was glaring we would be closer to Chelshit right now than to top 4 if Rooney continued leading the line. Every single player has been benched or shunted about just to accommodate Rooney, where's the substantial result? Defensive stability will crack if the strikers are not turning defenders' efforts to points!

Two paltry goals (he even had to be pushed in for one) & you think Rooney is worth discussing? Grab a random Man United fan by the balls even from Rooney's county & demand a list of performers this season (MUFC players) - White Pele won't feature in anyone's top 15 except his regular ball lickers

coogar:


sir bobby charlton's record must mean something to the decision makers at the club. it's weird that a striker that has a miserably 2 PL goals in almost 1,000 mins is undroppable...



it then begs the question - why is a striker playing horribly starting for man utd? 2 goals in 980+ minutes as a striker? my great great grandmother would offer a better strike rate.



he's not going to improve...dead that thought!
when rooney is on fire, he's on fire. rooney cannot start a season with 2 goals in his first 11 league games........and then go on to score another 23 goals in the remaining 26 league games.

SIRcumalot:

The general thought on rooney is that his goals comes in patches its not wrong to think he'll start hitting braces in the next five games,

SIRcumalot:

The general thought on rooney is that his goals comes in patches its not wrong to think he'll start hitting braces in the next five games,

elampiro:
Diego Costa, an out and out striker, one of Europe most prolific strikers has 9 league goals in 2015.

10 goals in all club competitions. Sky has not fallen.

afrodoc2:


That is why his club is in relegation trouble. Further more he is not captain and highest earner at his club. Also in acknowledgement of his struggles he has been dropped by both club and country at certain times this year.

afrodoc2:


That is why his club is in relegation trouble. Further more he is not captain and highest earner at his club. Also in acknowledgement of his struggles he has been dropped by both club and country at certain times this year.

elampiro:


Costa has not earned the respect to be given time to resurrect.

Moreover, he can only play one position. He is a specialist who must perform in his one role. Rooney needs to be re - specialized on a position after many years of sacrificing for the club. It looks like behind the striker is actually his best position. Where he has played in the last two games. And where he played mostly for SAF.

afrodoc2:


We do not have the time to resurrect careers now. If he is not up to the task he should become a squad player like Scholes,Neville,Giggs e.t.c in their later years.
I agree with you he can fight for the no 10 position with Mata,Herrera and Perreira but he should make the team only on merit not on what he did 10yrs ago. We can not allow what someone did in our past jeopardize our present and our future.

elampiro:


Rooney has 14 goals in all competitions.

Costa has 10.

Costa played only as 9. Rooney played DM, CM, AM, FW.

Costa played in a better team for a longer period.

elampiro:


The only thing you are missing is that you don't know why the coaches do what they do.

How many games did it take Lewandowski to blend and start scoring for Bayern. Suarez needed about a dozen games too.

All the players Rooney played with are gone and this is like blending a new. New style, possession and technicality instead of our usual run, speed, push, attack, attack, counter attack.

afrodoc2:


This is about Rooney and how we can move the team forward. It is not Rooney vs Costa. In my opinion they are both crap right now so what is the point. If we want to compare Rooney it should be with Neymar, Suarez, Benzema, Lewandowski, Aguero, Zlatan not relegation battlers like Diego Costa and Hidden Hidezard

parrotibaba:
So rooney's problem is now lack of fitness n confidence? I thought they said that LVG 's system is the bane of his success as a striker. Very soon we will hear that the team's cook is also responsible for his poor displays. Please you can continue with the rooney fanboyism in privacy n not here.

elampiro:


Before our game against West Brom, I read on this thread that Rooney's game against CSKA was a fluke that he would be shyte to his usual shyte self in the next game.

Rooney performed far even better. Instead to hope for a new dawn, he is being completely written off.

On this thread, it gives people ecstasy to say Rooney is finished no matter the situation on ground. Thank God this is not Old Trafford.

Chikena!

afrodoc2:


But Lingaard is blending, Martial is blending, Herrera is blending.....only Rooney is grinding.
I am talking about the fact that Rooney looks slower and less agile than i have ever seen him.....and he is not injured or anything like that. He just looks OLD. He is not getting on to potential through passes because he lacks the pace to leave defenders for dead.

coogar:


6 premier league goals in the whole of 2015? you still think this is about his goals coming in patches?

afrodoc2:


LOL. U like to generalize without reason. I have always tried to be fair and objective in my criticisms here , that is why i usually steer clear of the Rooney v RVP and other Rooney arguments you and Coogar inundate this thread with.

Last season i said i wanted Rooney and RVP both out preferably with RVP going first. I am not a Rooney hater but i am a Manchester United fan and i believe Rooney is drawing us back.Paul Ince, Mark Hughes and Kanchelskis were not this bad before SAF bounced them for fresher legs.

In Lingaard,Martial,Depay,Wilson and Adnan we have fresher and faster legs that can make our possession game pay off....we just need pace in attack. I am not saying all these young players will make it at United but we need players of that ilk (young,hungry with PACE AND PAWA) to take our attack to the next level. Rooney is not young, always looks overfed,lacks pace and has little pawa left

SIRcumalot:

Damning stats but yeah his goals still come in patches. He still topped the 2014/2015 scorers chart for the team.

elampiro:


Gaal has a reason for playing him, and it's beginning to pay off.

We have only two players who when in form can help us with a lot of goals. Rooney and Martial. You cannot drop either of these two.

Particularly, Rooney is the one for the manager to get into form for us to have great games against such teams as Madrid, Barca etc. Experience matters.

The last 6 months is far more important than first 3 months of a league. When the going gets tough those young legs might let you down.

coogar:


he played the most minutes in the forward position, he was the choice penalty taker until LVG sacked him and put mata there.

why is it so surprising that he topped the 2014/15 chart?

2877 PL mins - 12 goals(rooney)
2144 PL mins - 10 goals(RVP)
1287 PL mins - 4 goals(falcao)

why is rooney's number so fantastic considering he played 700+ PL mins more than RVP with only 2 miserable goals to show for it?

afrodoc2:


Well it appears we are in agreement that Rooney should compete with Herrera for the no 10 spot while Martial plays on top.
In the best of worlds i would like Mata to move to compete with Rooney for the 10 position while Herrera drops down to compete with Schweinsteiger in CM while Carrick is a sub for MorganS. That way we have Lingaard,Young,Depay on the wings.

The way this team is built and taught we will have possession advantage (even with Rooney at 10) against all but the best teams, now what we need is pace n penetration at the 9 and on the wings and Rooney can't give us that

coogar:


he played the most minutes in the forward position, he was the choice penalty taker until LVG sacked him and put mata there.

why is it so surprising that he topped the 2014/15 chart?

2877 PL mins - 12 goals(rooney)
2144 PL mins - 10 goals(RVP)
1287 PL mins - 4 goals(falcao)

why is rooney's number so fantastic considering he played 700+ PL mins more than RVP with only 2 miserable goals to show for it?

elampiro:


I will like you to look at this stat.

2010/2011
August - December
Rooney scored 1 goal.

January - May
Rooney scored 14 goals.


I remember he was being criticized that season but SAF kept playing him. SAF also said recently that you have to keep playing Wayne Rooney to get to his level. The criticism then wasn't any different than now particularly following his poor world cup.

afrodoc2:

Until Jan window i would have




......Darmian.............Jones..........Smalling.............Rojo....


................MorganS....................Schweini/Herrera..............


.....Lingaard.................Rooney/Mata................Young.....

.....................................Martial........................................